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This message may have been re-scanned by Antigen and handled according to the appropriate scan job's settings. <<Entire Message.eml>> --ANTIGEN-7051-1937-4701-3342-29869-31729 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Entire Message.eml" Received: from mail pickup service by seattle-network.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:44:26 -0700 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([216.136.204.119]) by seattle-network.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:44:25 -0700 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ACF563E4; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:43:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0700016A4D2; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:43:45 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BCF16A4CE for <questions@freebsd.org>; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:43:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.tsgincorporated.com (ns1.tsgincorporated.com [67.66.242.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84043D54 for <questions@freebsd.org>; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from micheal@tsgincorporated.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.tsgincorporated.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.tsgincorporated.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2989B3A7435; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:43:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.tsgincorporated.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 10897-01; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp3.tsgincorporated.com (support.tsgincorporated.com [67.66.242.9]) by smtp1.tsgincorporated.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4DC3A7431; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from micheal (micheal.tsgincorporated.com [67.66.242.77]) by smtp3.tsgincorporated.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 74A2F62896; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <056501c4bab1$c72d9ed0$4df24243@tsgincorporated.com> From: "Micheal Patterson" <micheal@tsgincorporated.com> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, <TM4525@aol.com>, <stefan@swebase.com> References: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNIEIGEPAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:43:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tsgincorporated.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SUSPECT: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Return-Path: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-CTCH-ID: _5B557E77-8034-4819-BFB5-D166193A1380_ X-CTCH-RefID: 0 X-CTCH-Action: Ignore X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2004 16:44:25.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[E33E38A0:01C4BAB1] X-SYBARI-SPAMDETECTED: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <TM4525@aol.com>; <stefan@swebase.com> Cc: <questions@freebsd.org> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:54 AM Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows <snip> > > There > > are more people around that can administer MS systems than unix, > > Yes, > > > and it can > > be done with a lower level of talent. . > > Having seen and dealing with the aftermath of networks owned by > people that thought that, I have to state your out of your gourd. > > Windows today is just as complex as any UNIX system. Sure, maybe > a decade ago a peer-to-peer network of Windows systems your > statement might have been true, but not today. > This type of discussion has been going around the world since Windows and *Nix first clashed. Windows has a gui, *Nix by default on most OS's, doesn't. To configure Windows, you point here, click there, right click and check properties here, add this information in the line provided. Click apply and the program runs and yet there are those that feel it is more complex than *Nix. I'll tell you what. You take any MS certified, high end admin, that's never seen a *Nix OS and see how far he gets. Just tell him to setup ftp with chroot environment, or bind, or heaven forbid Sendmail with rbl, access, virtual aliasing, etc. If he's never seen it, it'll take him forever. To those that live in the *Nix world, we can generally walk up to a Windows DC and make it do what we want. Do you really think that MS was the first to come up with MS Shares? What about AD User propogation to other DC's? DNS? Or even Mail? Where do you think they got those ideas from? Honestly, what makes you think that Windows is more complex in it's administration than a *Nix system? It's common knowledge that Windows is "easier" to manage. That's one of it's selling points and it always has been. "Windows is now easier than ever, just point and click". Tell me how many times have you heard someone say that about any *Nix OS currently available? The human race as a whole, is always looking for something to make doing something easier for them. That's what drives our desire to contstantly design new technology. o Man walked everywhere then he realized, riding a horse was faster and easier than walking 3 hours. o They designed a saddle for the horse because it was easier on the ass than barebacking it. o They designed a car because it was easier than riding a horse and thought to be faster in it's infancy. o Cars were made faster as the years went along because we wanted to get there faster. o The airplane was designed because people wanted to leave the ground and fly to wherever they wanted to go. o Helicopters were made because it's easier to land in a field with no landing strip than to build the runway for a plane. o Computers were made because people got headaches doing complex calculations and wanted something that could do it for them and do it faster as well. and so on and so forth. The human race, as a whole, is lazy and always looking for something to make their lives easier. In this day and age of computer technology, MS provides that to us better than *Nix does. Yet, there are those that are adamant that Windows is more complex than *Nix is. How ironic. > Ted > -- Micheal Patterson Senior Communications Systems Engineer 405-917-0600 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-que --ANTIGEN-7051-1937-4701-3342-29869-31729--
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