From owner-freebsd-current Sat Feb 21 17:23:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22030 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22024 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA06450; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:23:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA22198; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:23:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:23:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199802220123.SAA22198@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), sef@kithrup.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. In-Reply-To: <199802212303.QAA06227@usr04.primenet.com> References: <199802211809.LAA20161@mt.sri.com> <199802212303.QAA06227@usr04.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > orthogonal issue of negative reinforcement Nate focussed on, which > had nothing whatsoever to do with the difference between trusting > people to do the right thing vs. having the tools *force* people > to do the right thing whether they remembered to do it or not Repeat. It is impossible given today's technology to force people to make good commits w/out human intervention. Reader/writer/llama locks do *NOTHING* (!!!!) to make people do a good or bad commit, and only serve to slow down the process with *NO* gain. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only showing his ignorance. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message