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Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> <259fba3aa7665be79a056fb9f5bc1825@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <259fba3aa7665be79a056fb9f5bc1825@riseup.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: Weaver Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2L4y0YWmz4ZL9 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=t0gn0YrW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; 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If you want to do word processing or other tasks then use an OS designed for it like Windows or Apple's GUI on-top of MacOSX. If you can't handle the command line (and anyone that can do basic command line stuff can also recompile a kernel with very little research) then you shouldn't us Unix directly (for the purposes of this discussion the GUI on-top of MacOSX is not Unix per se -- disclaimer I am not denigrating MacOSX in anyway since have been a Apple shareholder since 1982) because none of the open source GUI's are good enough to completely avoid the command line even for some basic tasks like global search are replace through a series of text documents. So if you call using an OS the way it was designed to be used arrogant then go ahead call me that. But if you mean something else then your off base because I am only describing how the OS was designed to be used. Also note I do use GUI's on FreeBSD (my primary desktop machine is 12.2-Release-pl3 with Xfce4 on it and I use it for all my work and other uses [except some games]... but I am in the target audience of what Unix was originally designed for -- back end/infrastructure software development) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org