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Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:14:55 +0000 Received: by smtp415.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c772981b6719b8c0f27c656f1e1ee34f; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:14:49 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jFVT0ZDYz49tb X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.03 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.179.84:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.522]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.028]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[77.238.179.84:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:14:58 -0000 On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:13:10 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >On 10 Jun 2020, at 23:06, Polytropon wrote: >> However, I assume that the use of "reply to all" is so convenient it >> is often preferred to "reply to mailing list", that's why sometimes >> replies are send "twice"=E2=80=A6 =20 > >A smart MUA (is there one) you have a reply button that replied sender >if the messages was directly to you, replied to list if the message >was from a list, and made you hit a difficult chorded sequence of 47 >keys in precise order in less than 4 seconds to reply to all. It's not just a question of a "smart" MUA. There are two different "smart" approaches. Depending on mailing list settings, formatted headers of the user and the wanted result, both have got pros and cons. Either "reply all" or "reply" could invoke a mailing list reply in a smart way. However, it depends on the wanted result and the headers of the sender and kept or overridden headers by the mailing list. Btw. the mailing list never sends 2 replies. One reply is from the list, the other directly from the sender. It's even possible to disable duplicated messages by mailman, but then you'll receive a reply without mailing list header, IOW just the reply from the sender. IOW it's a cheap workaround, it's not smart. A "smart" solutions always providing the mailing list header is possible, but hard to achieve. It only works if the common goal is defined and all pull together. It requires agreement regarding the content of the Reply-To and =46rom headers. A problem could be that some MUAs usually only provide one of the two options, but it's required that depending on the goal the user can chose between "reply all" or "reply" to invoke a mailing list reply.