From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 18:36:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25BEE7C5 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C97F2ED6 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id pv20so3693947lab.1 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=l9Nc958j31MhVOvMpySG0mocGpSQ4SUzgL1pAUO67K4=; b=aFZfNdM+YpcppBDvSWPTJ7xWlH/VlGOzfblr4pDAWj/I1a+dDI6RPs4YxbAqVia2i9 P93M632458xihHVyUC2EPhRb9ksz4vnIJvfwsrryDzo6Btt17TxnkR+2gr6iB6Epufbx mjdbhpxyA6wSOjbK5D3At/1fLzQYGvjJwTCZEqbsFFRxGuNSuKSGbpotBgU44R7riCpw /FdXaRpTIIu81As+TbOVANzAwmYkmpWNwhaUKRzA4i+H944vuFMTHtbha31Kz1BUjh3K KiL5wlGVyCfwkBdZvVn/H07ztGMDO7u41W4BlZhXclMh1I74YUltUhCDdFCwe7t+7Dk/ KGXg== X-Received: by 10.152.245.9 with SMTP id xk9mr5166763lac.80.1405881365274; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.131.233 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140720201251.3bdd2226.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> <20140720123916.GV96250@e-new.0x20.net> <20140720134133.1d30f725@kan> <20140720201251.3bdd2226.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:35:25 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:36:08 -0000 On 20 July 2014 21:12, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:41:33 -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > It was stated repeatedly by multiple people that FreeBSD's network > > stack is way too different from OpenBSD, we support features > > OpenBSD doesn't and vice versa, vimage is a good example, which throws a > > giant wrench into the plan of following OpenBSD 'as closely as > > possible', even as the expense of throwing away all of the SMP work > > done in pf to date. > > The difference between FreeBSD's and OpenBSD's network stack > is also a problem that you can hardly compensate by maintaining > two versions of pf, one provided with the system, one available > via ports (as FreeBSD 10 did with unbound / bind), and you also > would have to decide which version ("old" or "new") goes with > the OS and which comes from ports. Of course following a "moving > target" is much easier to do with ports (higher frequency of > changes is possible) than with an OS component, and I should > emphasize OS _core_ component, as pf is _very_ tightly integrated > with kernel and OS mechanisms. > > Learning a new syntax is the smallest problem here, and BSD folks > (as UNIX people in general) have a great reputation of being able > to learn new things, evaluate them, and use them as needed, in > comparison to those poor guys over in MICROS~1 land... ;-) > > So to summarize (probably): Someone needs to decide whether or not they want FreeBSD or OpenBSD when it comes to PF. It's a simple decision to make:) You draw a two-column table with FreeBSD and OpenBSD on each one, do your analysis and decide where to pledge your allegiance. Debate CLOSED! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."