Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Stokely <murray@cdrom.com> To: "Sarcasm's Mailing List" <garbanzo@hooked.net> Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cyberian RC5 Effort - 'Anti - Microsoft!' Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.3.96.970829192222.7618A-100000@pooh.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.96.970829190126.8435A-100000@fish.hooked.net>
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DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST.. REPLY PERSONALLY. I meant to send a friendly email inviting fellow unix advocates to join our effort and I never thought someone would start a huge bovine vs cyberian argument over this (to the whole list no less!) If you have no interest in this, then please delete this mail and accept my apology. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Sarcasm's Mailing List wrote: % Bovine has working stats that are updated more than once daily. Uhh, you've got to be joking if you call those stats.. Compare the two. % > - The Bovine team is COMPLETELY unresponsive to offers of help. % > People on the Bovine mailing list are constantly asking for new % > features, and someone always offers to do it. But the Bovine team % > wants to keep all the credit to themselves when the key is found, so % > they don't let anyone help out, and they CONSTANTLY come up with % > excuses and delays. % % Unresponsive to whom? Maybe I was a little unclear when i said 'People on the Bovine mailing list'. You can search through the archives and see all the people who were offering to fix the stats MONTHS ago. People have offered to port clients, offer enhancements, etc.. and their are completely ignored by the Bovine developers. They made it clear that they want to hog all of the publicity when the key is finally found. % Again get your facts straight. The assembly p5 core in the beta 4 Bovine % clients is as fast if not faster than the most current one in Cyberian's % clients. A faster p6 core is slated. I get 220kkeys/sec with Bovine's % client on a p166. I will not quote any specifics that I can't verify with my own eyes (even though I've never heard someone object to the fact that cyberian is significantly faster). But my Pentium Pro 233 / FreeBSD is 11% faster with Cyberian, and my Cyrix P200+ is 10% faster (330kkeys/sec). % Meaning what exactly? How is the Bovine effort not not focused? They may % not post it to the mailing lists, but they are constantly releasing % clients for more platforms, without having a huge ego. In fact the last I % saw the on the Bovine list, the Cyberian effort was called "a bunch of % nice guys". What were they smoking. People still use the Bovine mailing list? When I unsubscribed everyone got tired of fighting with the organizers and just joined Cyberian. Maybe you didn't understand my first paragraph when I described why they are not focused. % > - Bovine uses Windows NT servers, Cyberian uses Unix ;) % % So you both make Win32 clients? Big whoop. it's called humor. thats why it was the last one. just a trivial little fact i threw in (hence the smiley face) % So what? Why use SPARCs for this? Wouldn't a PPC be faster with its % rotate instruction? Yea, so whats your point? We don't have access to any 6 processor PPC's. Following that logic why would you use anything but the absolute fastest P2/PPC chips. That's more than just a little bit personally agressive for no good reason; attacking one of our platforms? % Geez get your facts straight before you spew garbage. You're both % working for a common goal, must you attack each other? Yeah I know this % _doesn't_ belong at all on the list. So sue me. You offered no facts by the way. You disputed the fact that Cyberians clients are much faster, despite all the publications to the contrary. Care to explain? (in private email - i will not respond to any more mails sent to the list) Murray Stokely
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