From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 5:36: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194B414C87 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from bsdbox.habatech.no ([62.92.133.3]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15063 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:34:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS From: "Erik H. Bakke" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ppbus / lpt support in FreeBSD-Alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have just installed FreeBSD onto my 164SX based computer, and have stumbled across something which seems to be a problem. I have already compiled a kernel to include drivers for the hardware in the box, but I can't get the parallel port to work. As I am quite new to running FreeBSD on the Alpha I tried to copy the ppbus related lines from my i386 config file, but this did not work. Is it just me, or is this a well-known situation? Any advice? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Erik H. Bakke Date: 22-Aug-99 Time: 14:32:48 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 9:45:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D5914F7F for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA91469; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:55:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:55:29 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Erik H. Bakke" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppbus / lpt support in FreeBSD-Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Erik H. Bakke wrote: > I have just installed FreeBSD onto my 164SX based computer, and > have stumbled across something which seems to be a problem. > > I have already compiled a kernel to include drivers for the hardware > in the box, but I can't get the parallel port to work. > > As I am quite new to running FreeBSD on the Alpha I tried to copy > the ppbus related lines from my i386 config file, but this did > not work. > > Is it just me, or is this a well-known situation? Noone has attempted to port the ppbus driver from i386 yet. Its not a difficult job, just not a high priority. > > Any advice? It would be a nice entry-level kernel hacking project if you want to tackle porting the driver. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 10: 7:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.bgnett.no (post.bgnett.no [194.54.96.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6589515562 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from bsdbox.habatech.no ([62.92.133.3]) by post.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15465; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:05:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:07:22 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: erik@habatech.no Organization: Habatech AS From: "Erik H. Bakke" To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: ppbus / lpt support in FreeBSD-Alpha Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22-Aug-99 Doug Rabson wrote: >> As I am quite new to running FreeBSD on the Alpha I tried to copy >> the ppbus related lines from my i386 config file, but this did >> not work. >> >> Is it just me, or is this a well-known situation? > > Noone has attempted to port the ppbus driver from i386 yet. Its not a > difficult job, just not a high priority. > >> >> Any advice? > > It would be a nice entry-level kernel hacking project if you want to > tackle porting the driver. > I am a bit busy right now, trying to hack an ES1371 driver, but when this is finished, maybe I can take a look at the ppbus driver as well. Time will show if someone beats me to it, though :) ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Erik H. Bakke Date: 22-Aug-99 Time: 19:05:42 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 10:40:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles516.castles.com [208.214.165.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB99E14F82 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06935; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908221735.KAA06935@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: erik@habatech.no Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppbus / lpt support in FreeBSD-Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:36:22 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:35:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have just installed FreeBSD onto my 164SX based computer, and > have stumbled across something which seems to be a problem. > > I have already compiled a kernel to include drivers for the hardware > in the box, but I can't get the parallel port to work. > > As I am quite new to running FreeBSD on the Alpha I tried to copy > the ppbus related lines from my i386 config file, but this did > not work. > > Is it just me, or is this a well-known situation? ppbus does not (yet) work on the Alpha, no. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 11:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4E314F72 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA68979 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any reason I should use Jordan's latest Alpha snap to do the first install on my PC164SX? BTW, I got everything else handled, and didn't even manage to make any smoke. What a system this's gonna be!! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 20:55:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D893314E2F for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA70810 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:52:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: PC164SX/booting the floppy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to do a floppy disk/nfs install (using my 10BaseT ethernet card and my second machine rigth next to it with the latest snap loaded), but I've never seen the screen I'm looking at before, which is a GUI representation with many different options. There isn't, as far as I can see, any command line I can tell it to boot a kernel from. I was able to use the GUI to select the SRM console (that much was easy) but I don't know what to do now, and the INSTALL.TXT isn't any help on this. Does anyone who has a PC164 know what I mean, and know what I should do to get this thing booted? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 21: 2: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (oreilly131.oreilly.mbaynet.com [206.55.242.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD71415410 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00910; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908230354.UAA00910@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:52:43 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:54:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I want to do a floppy disk/nfs install (using my 10BaseT ethernet card > and my second machine rigth next to it with the latest snap loaded), > but I've never seen the screen I'm looking at before, which is a GUI > representation with many different options. There isn't, as far as I > can see, any command line I can tell it to boot a kernel from. > > I was able to use the GUI to select the SRM console (that much was easy) > but I don't know what to do now, and the INSTALL.TXT isn't any help on > this. > > Does anyone who has a PC164 know what I mean, and know what I should do > to get this thing booted? 'boot dva0' -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 21: 2:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCF214F8F for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA70846; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:01:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Mike Smith Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy In-Reply-To: <199908230354.UAA00910@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > I want to do a floppy disk/nfs install (using my 10BaseT ethernet card > > and my second machine rigth next to it with the latest snap loaded), > > but I've never seen the screen I'm looking at before, which is a GUI > > representation with many different options. There isn't, as far as I > > can see, any command line I can tell it to boot a kernel from. > > > > I was able to use the GUI to select the SRM console (that much was easy) > > but I don't know what to do now, and the INSTALL.TXT isn't any help on > > this. > > > > Does anyone who has a PC164 know what I mean, and know what I should do > > to get this thing booted? > > 'boot dva0' Mike, there isn't any command prompt to issue this at! I have a nice GUI, what do I do with it? Where's the missing command line? Fie on anyone who makes a computer boot into a GUI. > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 21:24:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CD155AD for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA70923; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:22:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Mike Smith Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy In-Reply-To: <199908230400.VAA00975@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > You said you found the option to swap it to the SRM console. If that > worked, you should have a command prompt. If not, then you need to get > the bits out of my alpha archive on www.freebsd.org and flash the SRM > firmware into your machine. The GUI gave me an option to change to the SRM console with no command line appearing. Should that have happened? Here's what I did: I have a screen before me, entitled "AlphaBIOS Setup". I chose an option labelled "CMOS Setup". In that subscreen, the 5th and last option is "Console Selection", and the area for entry is a pulldown option list, of which one is "Digital UNIX Console (SRM)". I chose that, no command line involved. Didn't need to use the floppy that I'd already downloaded and prepared to use. When I let the boot go without any intervention, the GUI disappears, the screen *does* go to black and white, but it only gives me an up/down arrow option to choose the operating system to start, and the only system listed is "Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00" Back in the GUI, one of the options on the main screen is "Utilities", which leads to a suboption of "OS Selection Setup". If you choose that, here's the screen you see: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00 Primary Operating System [20 lines blank] Boot Name: Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00 Boot File: A: \os\winnt40\osloader.exe OS Path: CD: \WINNT OS Options: ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is, I think, all the pertinent info, the rest is about my scsi setup, net setup, etc. Don't you have something like this? You have a PC164SX too, right? I get the idea I can add extra OSs to choose from here. Still don't see any command prompt anywhere. This says it's got AlphaBIOS version 5.62-1. > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 21:34: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [206.55.236.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8FB14C9B for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20253; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14272.52915.808504.329697@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Motherboard source X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 X-Airplane-of-the-day: Grumman Tiger Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Can anyone recommend a source for PC164-based motherboards? I'm in Northern California, but mail/online order is fine. Thanks. -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 22 21:39:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C70814CFE for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA70963; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:36:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Javier Henderson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Motherboard source In-Reply-To: <14272.52915.808504.329697@bogon.kjsl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Javier Henderson wrote: > Greetings, > > Can anyone recommend a source for PC164-based motherboards? > > I'm in Northern California, but mail/online order is fine. It only took me 3 months to find one who *really* had one *in stock*. Haunt EBay. I got mine from www.sysmerica.com (which was the EBay seller) but I'll bet they're out of them now. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 4:19:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74131560A for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-226.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.226]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA31288 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:17:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37C12DCD.D4E2764A@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:17:33 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: struct nfssrv_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org struct nfssrv_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Machine is 166 MHz Multia, 512K cache, 24 MB ram, 528MB Internal hard drive. FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE, custom kernel, but this error message has appeared since the installation floppy (GENERIC). Had to do a FTP install. Not my choice, but what worked. I've tweaked NFS_UIDHASHSIZ back to 15, still the problem remains. Should I try for lower? -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 4:49:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz40.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA0C156A0 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from un1i@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (exim@rz114s1-197.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.190]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11IsaU-0002Ag-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:30 +0200 Received: from un1i by rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11IsaT-0004Ar-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:29 +0200 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: chuckr@picnic.mat.net Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-alpha In-Reply-To: <7pqies$r9i$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.10.20 (9000/829)) Message-Id: From: Philipp Mergenthaler Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:29 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Chuck Robey wrote: > I have a screen before me, entitled "AlphaBIOS Setup". I chose an > option labelled "CMOS Setup". In that subscreen, the 5th and last > option is "Console Selection", and the area for entry is a pulldown > option list, of which one is "Digital UNIX Console (SRM)". I chose > that, no command line involved. Didn't need to use the floppy that I'd I didn't see any changes in the behaviour of the boot manager or the setup, no matter what I choose in that pulldown menu. [...] > You have a PC164SX too, right? I get the idea I can add extra OSs to > choose from here. Yes, that's possible, but I couldn't make it work with that, either. (Maybe it is possible - I couldn't spend too much time on it, I was supposed to install Linux :-/ ) FWIW, the SuSE guys don't seem to know this "AlphaBIOS console" either, only the normal ARM and SRM consoles. The AlphaBIOS GUI has an update option somewhere, and you can use this to replace it with the SRM firmware: put sx164srm.rom and fwupdate.exe (a version with a size of > 900kb, not the 400-something-kb-version) on a DOS-formatted floppy and let it update from that. That worked for me... but if someone knows if/how it's possible to boot FreeBSD with AlphaBIOS, I'd like to hear it, too. Bye, Philipp -- http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~un1i/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 6:30:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC249156E1 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22762; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA02491; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:29:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:29:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Chuck Robey Cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy In-Reply-To: References: <199908230400.VAA00975@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14273.18977.894347.713070@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey writes: > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > You said you found the option to swap it to the SRM console. If that > > worked, you should have a command prompt. If not, then you need to get > > the bits out of my alpha archive on www.freebsd.org and flash the SRM > > firmware into your machine. > > The GUI gave me an option to change to the SRM console with no command > line appearing. Should that have happened? Here's what I did: > > I have a screen before me, entitled "AlphaBIOS Setup". I chose an > option labelled "CMOS Setup". In that subscreen, the 5th and last > option is "Console Selection", and the area for entry is a pulldown > option list, of which one is "Digital UNIX Console (SRM)". I chose > that, no command line involved. Didn't need to use the floppy that I'd > already downloaded and prepared to use. > > When I let the boot go without any intervention, the GUI disappears, the > screen *does* go to black and white, but it only gives me an up/down > arrow option to choose the operating system to start, and the only > system listed is "Windows NT Workstation Version 4.00" You're trapped in the AlphaBios console. You need to switch to the SRM console for FreeBSD to work. To do this, you need to load the SRM console into the machine. Place http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha/pc164sx/fwupdate.exe and http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha/pc164sx/sx164srm.rom onto a FAT formated floppy & put that floppy in the drive. I'm a little bit fuzzy, on the details (its been a few months since I did this, perhaps somebody with more recent experience could chime in?), but you need to coerce the system into loading the new firmware from the floppy. There should be an 'Update AlphaBios" entry somewhere in the AlphaBios menu which you need to select. After it has loaded the firmware, you'll need to reset or powercycle the box. At this point you should be in the SRM console & should be greeted with prompt which looks like this ">>>". From here, say 'boot dva0' to boot the floppy. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 7:55:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B6014D8A for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA88064 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Working Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My Alpha speaks FreeBSD now, and all is right with the world! Thanks to everyone for the help. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 8: 2:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DBF14D8A for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA05145 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id LAA05130 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id LAA26226 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny28e.et.gs.com (gsny28e.et.gs.com [148.86.93.30]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id LAA14192 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny28e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Alpha Installation Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:01:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok. So I got this far. I'm not going to stop now. My alpha is almost freebsdized. Here is the problem, I installed freebsd but now when it boots it goes straight to the shell, it doesnt start any of the startup stuff just hits the shell right after it sees the hard drive. And it gives me no errors whatsoever. It basically looks like it's starting it in single mode all the time. Thank You, Wally K. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 8: 8:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ADA14DEF for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24750; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA02655; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:07:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:07:42 -0400 (EDT) To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Alpha Installation In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14273.25476.698653.697565@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Koscielny, Wally writes: > Ok. So I got this far. I'm not going to stop now. My alpha is almost > freebsdized. Here is the problem, I installed freebsd but now when it boots > it goes straight to the shell, it doesnt start any of the startup stuff just > hits the shell right after it sees the hard drive. And it gives me no errors > whatsoever. It basically looks like it's starting it in single mode all the > time. > > Thank You, > Wally K. From the the SRM console (the >>> prompt) type 'set boot_osflags A' Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 8:15:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1957614D6B for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13728; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:13:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Alpha Installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org at the SRM prompt, do either do boot -flags 'a' or set boot_osflags 'a' at the SRM prompt. On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > Ok. So I got this far. I'm not going to stop now. My alpha is almost > freebsdized. Here is the problem, I installed freebsd but now when it boots > it goes straight to the shell, it doesnt start any of the startup stuff just > hits the shell right after it sees the hard drive. And it gives me no errors > whatsoever. It basically looks like it's starting it in single mode all the > time. > > Thank You, > Wally K. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 8:50:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (oreilly131.oreilly.mbaynet.com [206.55.242.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5858114D22 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00975; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908230400.VAA00975@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey Cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: PC164SX/booting the floppy In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:01:16 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:00:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > I want to do a floppy disk/nfs install (using my 10BaseT ethernet card > > > and my second machine rigth next to it with the latest snap loaded), > > > but I've never seen the screen I'm looking at before, which is a GUI > > > representation with many different options. There isn't, as far as I > > > can see, any command line I can tell it to boot a kernel from. > > > > > > I was able to use the GUI to select the SRM console (that much was easy) > > > but I don't know what to do now, and the INSTALL.TXT isn't any help on > > > this. > > > > > > Does anyone who has a PC164 know what I mean, and know what I should do > > > to get this thing booted? > > > > 'boot dva0' > > Mike, there isn't any command prompt to issue this at! I have a nice > GUI, what do I do with it? Where's the missing command line? You said you found the option to swap it to the SRM console. If that worked, you should have a command prompt. If not, then you need to get the bits out of my alpha archive on www.freebsd.org and flash the SRM firmware into your machine. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 10:35:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0859D14F0E for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12774; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:21:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd012395; Mon Aug 23 10:21:18 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10880; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:20:47 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908231720.KAA10880@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: metal stickers To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:20:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chuckr@picnic.mat.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <42287.935197003@localhost> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Aug 20, 99 05:56:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > You missed the point, Jordan, my Alpha IS in a PC case, and I AM going > > to use the normal FreeBSD sticker, but if there was one that allowed you > > to show it was FreeBSD/Alpha, that'd be neat. I know where to put the > > sticker, it's what the sticker shows that I'm wishing could be > > Alpha-ized. > > Ah, considering the (extremely small) size of the Alpha market > currently, I don't think it's worth it yet. :( The size of the Alpha market is kind of moot. I have more than one Intel PC that I'd stick Alpha-ized stickers on, just to pretend they weren't running on Intel. Since they are supposedly 6 to a sheet, consider SPARC, MIPS, PowerPC, and 68k, as well as "Alpha" and "Intel"... 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 11: 8:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F94B15797 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29157; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:05:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd029108; Mon Aug 23 11:05:48 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13808; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:05:42 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908231805.LAA13808@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: struct nfssrv_sock bloated (> 256bytes) To: kris@airnet.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:05:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37C12DCD.D4E2764A@airnet.net> from "Kris Kirby" at Aug 23, 99 06:17:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > struct nfssrv_sock bloated (> 256bytes) > Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ > struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) > Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields > > Machine is 166 MHz Multia, 512K cache, 24 MB ram, 528MB Internal hard > drive. FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE, custom kernel, but this error message has > appeared since the installation floppy (GENERIC). Had to do a FTP > install. Not my choice, but what worked. I've tweaked NFS_UIDHASHSIZ > back to 15, still the problem remains. Should I try for lower? I believe that it's a pointer size issue. There may also be a structure packing problem, as well, since nfssvc_sock (_not_ nfssrv_sock) contains a set of 5 integers (presumably 32 bits) and a u_int32_t, which may not be tightly packed. Basically, you will end up with NFS_UIDHASHSIZ LIST_HEAD's, which are structures containing a single structure pointer. Similarly, the TAILQ_ENTRY and LIST_ENTRY in nfsuid are larger, and the various other elements in that structure are likely to be poorly packed. I really don't understand the nfsuid bloat, in this context, unless it's structure packing. I know that the Alpha "has issues" with unaligned data access; you may not be able to get the size down by repacking it, and still have it work at reasonable speed (or at all), e.g. "#pragma pack(1)" at the top, "#pragma pack()" at the bottom. In either case, the diagnostic messages (from nfs_init()) are non-fatal, so they should not prevent you using NFS, even though they will continue to whine at you. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 11:16:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A38714F35 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by maile.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10843 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02412 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:16:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:16:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Ive tried to upgrade from a mid june world to the 19990808 snapshot ( the latest at current.freebsd.org ) and here the problem begins :) first i get alot of /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libc.so.3: Unsupported relocation type 0 in non-PLT relocation when local daemons is starting up ( some other libs too , which scroll by abit too fast for me to catch ) then i get this. init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv[n], sleeping 30 secs and the console is stuck .. Now ive tried to upgrade twice and the last time i looked at the libs and they all are from aug-09 so no old libs there. most of the commans doesnt work and gives the above relocation type error .. Any hints ? /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 11:20:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E176914F35 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28962; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA07694; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14273.36931.446119.157629@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Khaled Daham writes: > Hello! > > Ive tried to upgrade from a mid june world to the 19990808 snapshot ( the > latest at current.freebsd.org ) and here the problem begins :) > first i get alot of > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libc.so.3: Unsupported relocation type > 0 in non-PLT relocation > > when local daemons is starting up ( some other libs too , which > scroll by abit too fast for me to catch ) > then i get this. > > init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv[n], sleeping 30 secs > > and the console is stuck .. > Now ive tried to upgrade twice and the last time i looked at the libs and > they all are from aug-09 so no old libs there. most of the commans doesnt > work and gives the above relocation type error .. > > Any hints ? > I've not installed a snap in ages. But I had a similar problem the last time I did an installworld. I had to manually copy in /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 and re-start the installworld. Did the problem start mid-way through the upgrade? If so, perhaps you could boot single-user, extract ld-elf.so.1 & copy it into place? Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 12:18:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510A614BCD for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailf.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09346; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09029; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:18:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: <14273.36931.446119.157629@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! well andrew you were right ld-els.so.1 was bad juju. why ? well /sbin/cpio couldnt copy the fresh ld-els.so.1 over the old one because of the schg flag set by chflags, so i removed it and installed bin ( im glad i did this rather than searching through alot of compressed files for ld-elf.so.1 :) 19990808 up'n'running :) On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Khaled Daham writes: > > Hello! > > > > Ive tried to upgrade from a mid june world to the 19990808 snapshot ( the > > latest at current.freebsd.org ) and here the problem begins :) > > first i get alot of > > > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libc.so.3: Unsupported relocation type > > 0 in non-PLT relocation > > > > when local daemons is starting up ( some other libs too , which > > scroll by abit too fast for me to catch ) > > then i get this. > > > > init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv[n], sleeping 30 secs > > > > and the console is stuck .. > > Now ive tried to upgrade twice and the last time i looked at the libs and > > they all are from aug-09 so no old libs there. most of the commans doesnt > > work and gives the above relocation type error .. > > > > Any hints ? > > > > I've not installed a snap in ages. But I had a similar problem the > last time I did an installworld. I had to manually copy in > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 and re-start the installworld. > > Did the problem start mid-way through the upgrade? If so, perhaps you > could boot single-user, extract ld-elf.so.1 & copy it into place? > > Cheers, > > Drew > /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 13:21: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280371570A for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA62469; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908232020.OAA62469@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: <14273.36931.446119.157629@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Aug 23, 1999 02:20:40 pm" To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Cc: khaled@mailbox.telia.net (Khaled Daham), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote... > > Khaled Daham writes: > > Hello! > > > > Ive tried to upgrade from a mid june world to the 19990808 snapshot ( the > > latest at current.freebsd.org ) and here the problem begins :) > > first i get alot of > > > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libc.so.3: Unsupported relocation type > > 0 in non-PLT relocation > > > > when local daemons is starting up ( some other libs too , which > > scroll by abit too fast for me to catch ) > > then i get this. > > > > init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv[n], sleeping 30 secs > > > > and the console is stuck .. > > Now ive tried to upgrade twice and the last time i looked at the libs and > > they all are from aug-09 so no old libs there. most of the commans doesnt > > work and gives the above relocation type error .. > > > > Any hints ? > > > > I've not installed a snap in ages. But I had a similar problem the > last time I did an installworld. I had to manually copy in > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 and re-start the installworld. Here's a snippet from a message from jdp to Gary Palmer on June 22nd: ======================================================================== > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc.so.3: Unsupported relocation type 0 in non-PLT relocations > *** Error code 1 ... > Anyone know what causes this? Out-of-date ld.so? Yep. Update your ld-elf.so.1 and that will fix it. Doug's recent linker fix (src/contrib/binutils/bfd elf64-alpha.c revision 1.2) relies on an up-to-date dynamic linker. ======================================================================== It's certainly annoying. If people had to do that on i386 buildworlds, they would be screaming. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 13:58:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2255015840 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA60055; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:06:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:06:31 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Koscielny, Wally" Cc: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Alpha Installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote: > Ok. So I got this far. I'm not going to stop now. My alpha is almost > freebsdized. Here is the problem, I installed freebsd but now when it boots > it goes straight to the shell, it doesnt start any of the startup stuff just > hits the shell right after it sees the hard drive. And it gives me no errors > whatsoever. It basically looks like it's starting it in single mode all the > time. From SRM console prompt, type: >>>set boot_osflags a -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 14: 8:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tad.cetlink.net (tad.cetlink.net [209.198.2.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E22E157A2 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@tad.cetlink.net) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by tad.cetlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA25007 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:08:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jeff) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908232020.OAA62469@panzer.kdm.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Organization: CETLink.Net From: Jeff Wheat To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there. I just recently upgraded to this snap in order to take advantage of the new compiler. I was encountering problems with IEEE math. Since doing so I am able to compile my apps that use IEEE math, however I am unable to compile MySQL now. Has anyone else managed to get this running? Many thanks, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 14:20: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124FF14F13 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA02117; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 210E015828; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990823211506.210E015828@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan@online.be To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: alpha/13338: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 13338 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Aug 23 14:20:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan >Release: 3-2 stable for alpha >Organization: Online Internet nv/sa >Environment: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 19 14:14:43 CEST 1999 alpha: Miata , digital workstation 433a 512MB RAM >Description: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent and machine reboots follows. the machine is a high traffic newsfeed exchanger, receivig and sending about 20 Gig a day >How-To-Repeat: can happen on any moment :( dunno how to repeat it exactly >Fix: only info found on pmap(.h) seems to be for i386 http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ262.html is there a fix for alpha aswel ? as the source for pmap.h doesn't seem to be the same >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 23 16:40: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A78150E9 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA15083; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908232340.QAA15083@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dmitrij Tejblum Subject: Re: alpha/13338: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent Reply-To: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/13338; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dmitrij Tejblum To: Jan@online.be Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha/13338: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:30:17 +0400 > panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 162b0000 is inconsistent Perhaps, the following patch from -current will help. (I intend to merge it to -stable soon.) Dima Index: pmap.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/pmap.c,v retrieving revision 1.25 retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -r1.25 -r1.26 --- pmap.c 1999/06/08 17:14:07 1.25 +++ pmap.c 1999/06/10 20:40:55 1.26 @@ -1052,6 +1052,13 @@ int i; vm_object_t upobj; vm_page_t m; + + if (p == fpcurproc) { + alpha_pal_wrfen(1); + savefpstate(&fpcurproc->p_addr->u_pcb.pcb_fp); + fpcurproc = NULL; + alpha_pal_wrfen(0); + } upobj = p->p_upages_obj; /* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 1:58:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF5715970 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06309; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:39:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:39:44 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Jeff Wheat Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Wheat wrote: > Hi there. I just recently upgraded to this snap in order to take > advantage of the new compiler. I was encountering problems with > IEEE math. Since doing so I am able to compile my apps that use > IEEE math, however I am unable to compile MySQL now. Has anyone > else managed to get this running? What happens when you try to build MySQL? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 6:11: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tolip.njin.net (tolip.njin.net [165.230.224.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EE014CA5; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nagrosst@email.njin.net) Received: from MCCNNKPYDKOC05 ([192.135.209.43]) by tolip.njin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14134; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Nagrosst" To: , Subject: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000201beee32$a2c8b2b0$01010101@MCCNNKPYDKOC05> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid controller, are they supported? If freebsd, which is my first choice does not, can anyone let me know what other free unix variant can support that configuration. Thanks, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 6:54:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tad.cetlink.net (tad.cetlink.net [209.198.2.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFB815158 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@tad.cetlink.net) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by tad.cetlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA30495; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jeff) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Organization: CETLink.Net From: Jeff Wheat To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Aug-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Wheat wrote: > >> Hi there. I just recently upgraded to this snap in order to take >> advantage of the new compiler. I was encountering problems with >> IEEE math. Since doing so I am able to compile my apps that use >> IEEE math, however I am unable to compile MySQL now. Has anyone >> else managed to get this running? > > What happens when you try to build MySQL? tom-and-jerry# dmesg AlphaStation 250 4/266, 268MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=0 OSF PAL rev: 0x100000002012e real memory = 132169728 (129072K bytes) avail memory = 123715584 (120816K bytes) tom-n-jerry# pstat -s Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/od0b 130816 0 130816 0% Interleaved tom-n-jerry# pwd /export/home/jeff/mysql-3.22.25 tom-n-jerry# make make all-recursive Making all in Docs Making all in client Making all in strings Making all in dbug Making all in mysys Making all in extra Making all in regex Making all in isam Making all in heap Making all in merge Making all in sql Making all in share c++ -DMYSQL_SERVER -DDEFAULT_MYSQL_HOME="\"/usr/local\"" - DDATADIR="\"/usr/local/var\"" -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/local/share/m ysql\"" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I./../include - I./../regex -I. -I../include -I.. -I. -O -fno-implicit- templates -DDBUG_OFF -c sql_yacc.cc Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space c++: Internal compiler error: program cc1plus got fatal signal 9 *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. tom-n-jerry# It is running out of swap for some reason. This same code compiled without a problem under 3.2-RELEASE. Regards, Jeff > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 9:20:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB67515130 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from booga@comet.connix.com) Received: from localhost (booga@localhost) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07892; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Shawn Kelly O Shea Reply-To: sko@eth0.net To: Jeff Wheat Cc: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know under solaris, the box would run out of swap if you didnt have lots of memory....the fix for this was to run configure with (i believe) --with-low-memory I dont remember if that applies to OS'es other than slowaris though, and this was last year -Shawn On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jeff Wheat wrote: > On 24-Aug-99 Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Wheat wrote: > > > >> Hi there. I just recently upgraded to this snap in order to take > >> advantage of the new compiler. I was encountering problems with > >> IEEE math. Since doing so I am able to compile my apps that use > >> IEEE math, however I am unable to compile MySQL now. Has anyone > >> else managed to get this running? > > > > What happens when you try to build MySQL? > > tom-and-jerry# dmesg > AlphaStation 250 4/266, 268MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=0 > OSF PAL rev: 0x100000002012e > real memory = 132169728 (129072K bytes) > avail memory = 123715584 (120816K bytes) > > tom-n-jerry# pstat -s > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/od0b 130816 0 130816 0% Interleaved > > tom-n-jerry# pwd > /export/home/jeff/mysql-3.22.25 > tom-n-jerry# make > make all-recursive > Making all in Docs > Making all in client > Making all in strings > Making all in dbug > Making all in mysys > Making all in extra > Making all in regex > Making all in isam > Making all in heap > Making all in merge > Making all in sql > Making all in share > c++ -DMYSQL_SERVER -DDEFAULT_MYSQL_HOME="\"/usr/local\"" - > DDATADIR="\"/usr/local/var\"" -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/local/share/m > ysql\"" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I./../include - > I./../regex -I. -I../include -I.. -I. -O -fno-implicit- > templates -DDBUG_OFF -c sql_yacc.cc > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out > of swap space > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out > of swap space > c++: Internal compiler error: program cc1plus got fatal signal 9 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > tom-n-jerry# > > It is running out of swap for some reason. This same code compiled without a > problem under 3.2-RELEASE. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > > > > > > -- > > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------- # ifconfig eth0.net "Shawn O'Shea" netmask 255.255.255.0 up # route add -net smtp shawn@eth0.net # route add -net http http://eth0.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 9:29:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (oreilly131.oreilly.mbaynet.com [206.55.242.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCFC158C1; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00631; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908241619.JAA00631@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David Nagrosst" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:14:44 EDT." <000201beee32$a2c8b2b0$01010101@MCCNNKPYDKOC05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:19:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid controller, are they > supported? > If freebsd, which is my first choice does not, can anyone let me know what > other free unix variant can support that configuration. If what you have is an AlphaServer 2100 (you need to learn to be much more precise in your questions) then Linux may support your system (but probably not the Mylex controller). Howver, I was unable to get it to boot on our AS2100 4/275, so ymmv. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 9:30:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F5815945 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16804; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA09331; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:27:09 -0400 (EDT) To: Jeff Wheat Cc: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14274.42890.841875.678443@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeff Wheat writes: > > tom-n-jerry# pstat -s > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/od0b 130816 0 130816 0% Interleaved <...> > c++ -DMYSQL_SERVER -DDEFAULT_MYSQL_HOME="\"/usr/local\"" - > DDATADIR="\"/usr/local/var\"" -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/local/share/m > ysql\"" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I./../include - > I./../regex -I. -I../include -I.. -I. -O -fno-implicit- > templates -DDBUG_OFF -c sql_yacc.cc > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out > of swap space > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out > of swap space <...> > It is running out of swap for some reason. This same code compiled without a > problem under 3.2-RELEASE. > > Regards, > Jeff Short answer: You need more swap space. A good rule of thumb is 3-4 times the size of physical memory. More helpful answer: There's some sort of funkyness in the egcs c++ optimizer which makes it take LOTS of space. I just built mysql for fun & watched the size of cc1plus get up over 280MB when building sql_yacc.cc. It took over a minute to compile on a 21264 with 640MB of ram. I've seen this sort of thing on x86's as well. Using -O0 cuts the size down to "only" 25MB or so, and cuts the compilation time down to 4 seconds. I think this problem is fixed in newer versions of gcc (gcc-2.95.1) which is soon to become the system compiler. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 9:51: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tolip.njin.net (tolip.njin.net [165.230.224.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5752215952; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nagrosst@email.njin.net) Received: from MCCNNKPYDKOC05 ([192.135.209.43]) by tolip.njin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21133; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Nagrosst" To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: , Subject: RE: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000601beee4f$bbea8ad0$01010101@MCCNNKPYDKOC05> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <199908241619.JAA00631@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's actually a 5/250, it's about 1 1/2 years old.. Nice machine, NT is running on it now, but I wanted to put a unix variant on it, to speed to up. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Smith [mailto:mike@smith.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 12:20 PM To: David Nagrosst Cc: hardware@freebsd.org; alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? > I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid controller, are they > supported? > If freebsd, which is my first choice does not, can anyone let me know what > other free unix variant can support that configuration. If what you have is an AlphaServer 2100 (you need to learn to be much more precise in your questions) then Linux may support your system (but probably not the Mylex controller). Howver, I was unable to get it to boot on our AS2100 4/275, so ymmv. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 9:53:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (oreilly131.oreilly.mbaynet.com [206.55.242.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B45415961 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:51:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00851; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908241645.JAA00851@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David Nagrosst" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:43:02 EDT." <000601beee4f$bbea8ad0$01010101@MCCNNKPYDKOC05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:45:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's actually a 5/250, it's about 1 1/2 years old.. Nice machine, NT is > running on it now, but I wanted to put a unix variant on it, to speed to up. Digital Unix then, or maybe Linux are your only options. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 10: 5:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [206.55.236.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D49615943 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14111; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14274.53040.32705.156703@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:58:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Mike Smith Cc: "David Nagrosst" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I have an alpha 2100, with a mylex 3 channel raid, are they supported? In-Reply-To: <199908241645.JAA00851@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <000601beee4f$bbea8ad0$01010101@MCCNNKPYDKOC05> <199908241645.JAA00851@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 X-Airplane-of-the-day: Grumman Tiger Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > It's actually a 5/250, it's about 1 1/2 years old.. Nice machine, NT is > > running on it now, but I wanted to put a unix variant on it, to speed to up. > > Digital Unix then, or maybe Linux are your only options. VMS? Oh, he said Unix variant :) -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 10:15:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tad.cetlink.net (tad.cetlink.net [209.198.2.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D3A15D85 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@tad.cetlink.net) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by tad.cetlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA31642; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jeff) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14274.42890.841875.678443@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Organization: CETLink.Net From: Jeff Wheat To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: 1999-08-08 snapshot problem Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to everyone for responding. I have since resized my a disk with disklabel and increased the size of swap by three for 512m of swap. Still ran into the problem. I then tried another suggestion by Shawn Kelly O Shea by using --with-low-memory which resulted in a sucessful build. The only difference that this flag made was to use -fno-inline when compiling sql_yacc.cc Hope this helps someone else! Regards, Jeff PS: This is still marked broken in the ports. On 24-Aug-99 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Jeff Wheat writes: > > > > tom-n-jerry# pstat -s > > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > > /dev/od0b 130816 0 130816 0% Interleaved > > <...> > > c++ -DMYSQL_SERVER > -DDEFAULT_MYSQL_HOME="\"/usr/local\"" - > > DDATADIR="\"/usr/local/var\"" > -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/local/share/m > > ysql\"" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I./../include > - > > I./../regex -I. -I../include -I.. -I. -O > -fno-implicit- > > templates -DDBUG_OFF -c sql_yacc.cc > > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > > Aug 24 09:38:39 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space > > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > > Aug 24 09:38:40 tom-n-jerry /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed > > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was > killed: out > > of swap space > > Aug 24 09:39:02 tom-n-jerry /kernel: pid 6183 (cc1plus), uid 0, was > killed: out > > of swap space > > <...> > > > It is running out of swap for some reason. This same code compiled without > a > > problem under 3.2-RELEASE. > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > Short answer: > You need more swap space. A good rule of thumb is 3-4 times the size > of physical memory. > > More helpful answer: > > There's some sort of funkyness in the egcs c++ optimizer which makes > it take LOTS of space. I just built mysql for fun & watched the size > of cc1plus get up over 280MB when building sql_yacc.cc. It took over > a minute to compile on a 21264 with 640MB of ram. I've seen this sort > of thing on x86's as well. > > Using -O0 cuts the size down to "only" 25MB or so, and cuts the > compilation time down to 4 seconds. > > I think this problem is fixed in newer versions of gcc (gcc-2.95.1) > which is soon to become the system compiler. > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 11:11:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310A214CEA for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail11.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id OAA18709 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:08:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9908241808.AA32220@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: End of NT-on-Alpha From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just thought you might all find this interesting. Compaq has officially axed Windows NT on Alpha machines. The final NT release on Alpha will be NT 4, SP6. There will be no Win2K release. I am a member of DECWest (Bellevue WA), where most of the Digital/Compaq NT development has been done. We are all to be laid off in the next few weeks. Some related articles: http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2318096,00.html http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990819.picomchips.htm -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: mikel@zso.dec.com; Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 11:19:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310A014C2E for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id OAA20647 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9908241819.AA32093@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Clustering? From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As mentioned in a previous note, I'm about to be laied off by Compaq. I may be given the opportunity to purchase some of my test gear. It may be possible to get a pair of 2100's, or a pair of 433a's, or a pair of Proliant's. These pairs are tied together with differential SCSI bus to shared storage for "clustering". Specifically, they were used for NT "Wolfpack". Does anyone know if FreeBSD already has the smarts to handle this sort of configuration, or would I be having write device drivers to make use of it? Can you see any reason I should not try to acquire this equipment? I could skip the shared storage, differential SCSI, etc. and save some money if it's known the FreeBSD would not like it. Please reply to me directly ('though I am on the list) as the rest of the list probably won't be interested. Thanks! P.S. (I'm sorry, I can not swing this deal for anyone else -- the employee is only allowed to get the one system for themself.) -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: mikel@zso.dec.com; Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 11:50:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3620F151D1 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15425; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908241845.LAA15425@implode.root.com> To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clustering? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:35 PDT." <9908241819.AA32093@slugbt.zso.dec.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:45:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >As mentioned in a previous note, I'm about to be laied off by Compaq. I >may be given the opportunity to purchase some of my test gear. It may be >possible to get a pair of 2100's, or a pair of 433a's, or a pair of >Proliant's. > >These pairs are tied together with differential SCSI bus to shared storage >for "clustering". Specifically, they were used for NT "Wolfpack". > >Does anyone know if FreeBSD already has the smarts to handle this sort of >configuration, or would I be having write device drivers to make use of >it? > >Can you see any reason I should not try to acquire this equipment? I >could skip the shared storage, differential SCSI, etc. and save some money >if it's known the FreeBSD would not like it. > >Please reply to me directly ('though I am on the list) as the rest of the >list probably won't be interested. FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 12:56:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FDE158EC for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17675; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:55:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA3vaGxI; Tue Aug 24 12:55:29 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01709; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:55:36 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908241955.MAA01709@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Clustering? To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908241845.LAA15425@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Aug 24, 99 11:45:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >These pairs are tied together with differential SCSI bus to shared storage > >for "clustering". Specifically, they were used for NT "Wolfpack". > > > >Does anyone know if FreeBSD already has the smarts to handle this sort of > >configuration, or would I be having write device drivers to make use of > >it? You might have to write the drivers. If you can get hardware docs along with the machines that would be a good thing to do, in any case. > >Can you see any reason I should not try to acquire this equipment? I > >could skip the shared storage, differential SCSI, etc. and save some money > >if it's known the FreeBSD would not like it. > > > >Please reply to me directly ('though I am on the list) as the rest of the > >list probably won't be interested. > > FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support > for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. The David Sarnoff stuff supports this. It would not be too difficult to hack up the disctubted memory coherency manager to use low level SCSI I/O primitives to support this. Also, SGI continues to threaten to release XFS sources, which are capable of supporting this kind of configuration (the biggest issue there is the same as on NT, since NTFS has a single log lock per volume, and XFS has a single journal lock per volume). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 13:12:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59536150F7 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15663; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908242008.NAA15663@implode.root.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clustering? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:55:36 -0000." <199908241955.MAA01709@usr09.primenet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support >> for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. > >The David Sarnoff stuff supports this. It would not be too >difficult to hack up the disctubted memory coherency manager >to use low level SCSI I/O primitives to support this. I thought the Sarnoff stuff was a DSM implementation. If so, then it's not what we're talking about (shared access to filesystems). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 16:14:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA1715A15 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id TAA14670; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:13:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9908242313.AA02399@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: dg@root.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908241955.MAA01709@usr09.primenet.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:55:36 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: Clustering? From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, thanks for the info. > From: Terry Lambert > Subject: Re: Clustering? > To: dg@root.com > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:55:36 +0000 (GMT) > Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > > >These pairs are tied together with differential SCSI bus to shared storage > > >for "clustering". Specifically, they were used for NT "Wolfpack". > > > > > >Does anyone know if FreeBSD already has the smarts to handle this sort of > > >configuration, or would I be having write device drivers to make use of > > >it? > > You might have to write the drivers. If you can get hardware docs > along with the machines that would be a good thing to do, in any > case. > > > > >Can you see any reason I should not try to acquire this equipment? I > > >could skip the shared storage, differential SCSI, etc. and save some money > > >if it's known the FreeBSD would not like it. > > > > > >Please reply to me directly ('though I am on the list) as the rest of the > > >list probably won't be interested. > > > > FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support > > for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. > > The David Sarnoff stuff supports this. It would not be too > difficult to hack up the disctubted memory coherency manager > to use low level SCSI I/O primitives to support this. > > Also, SGI continues to threaten to release XFS sources, which are > capable of supporting this kind of configuration (the biggest issue > there is the same as on NT, since NTFS has a single log lock per > volume, and XFS has a single journal lock per volume). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 16:19:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F157714F7D for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail11.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id TAA30119; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <9908242317.AA02428@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: dg@root.com Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908242008.NAA15663@implode.root.com> (message from David Greenman on Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0700) Subject: Re: Clustering? From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ideally it would have live shared access... However, I'd be happy to get minimal one-or-the-other functionality like Wolfpack does. I run a small-time website hosting business off a FreeBSD server, and something as crude as this would be a big improvement over the current mechanism where on failure, I'd have to physically swap the drive cable to a partner machine and boot it. > To: Terry Lambert > Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Clustering? > From: David Greenman > Reply-To: dg@root.com > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0700 > Sender: dg@implode.root.com > > >> FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support > >> for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. > > > >The David Sarnoff stuff supports this. It would not be too > >difficult to hack up the disctubted memory coherency manager > >to use low level SCSI I/O primitives to support this. > > I thought the Sarnoff stuff was a DSM implementation. If so, then it's not > what we're talking about (shared access to filesystems). > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org > Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com > Pave the road of life with opportunities. > > > -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 16:25: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC1115476 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id TAA16568 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:24:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9908242324.AA02499@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Is FreeBSD Alpha FS compatible with Intel? From: mikel@vintners.net (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@vintners.net (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is the FreeBSD UFS identical between platforms? More specifically, can I use an external SCSI drive with only data, on either an Alpha or Intel platform by merely moving the cable and powering up in the new config? -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 16:29:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E999915A27 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA72095; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908242326.RAA72095@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: Clustering? In-Reply-To: <9908242317.AA02428@slugbt.zso.dec.com> from Mike Lempriere at "Aug 24, 1999 04:17:05 pm" To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: dg@root.com, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Lempriere wrote... > > Ideally it would have live shared access... > > However, I'd be happy to get minimal one-or-the-other functionality like > Wolfpack does. I run a small-time website hosting business off a FreeBSD > server, and something as crude as this would be a big improvement over the > current mechanism where on failure, I'd have to physically swap the drive > cable to a partner machine and boot it. You can probably run things in a multi-initiator mode (i.e. with both FreeBSD boxes attached to the array) and just use the array on one machine or the other. You'd have to have the SCSI side of things setup properly, of course. (just how depends on the array hardware, bus setup, etc.) I haven't actually done this, but I think Matt Jacob may have done it with Fibre Channel. You'd have to ask him how it works. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 16:47:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A1F15145 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail11.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id TAA31352 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:43:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9908242343.AA02619@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha Install FAQ? From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry to be such a bonehead and ask such a dumb question, but I haven't found info on Alpha install anywhere at freebsd.org. Could someone please point me to relevant info? I may instead be able to scrounge an AlphaStation 500 which does have SRM. But then what??? Thanks! -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: mikel@vintners.net WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 17:14:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCE7152BC for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02027; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd001967; Tue Aug 24 17:13:28 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09335; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:13:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908250013.RAA09335@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Clustering? To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mikel@zso.dec.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908242008.NAA15663@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Aug 24, 99 01:08:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> FreeBSD doesn't support shared filesystems. You would need to add support > >> for that into FFS and presumably get or implement a distributed lock manager. > > > >The David Sarnoff stuff supports this. It would not be too > >difficult to hack up the disctubted memory coherency manager > >to use low level SCSI I/O primitives to support this. > > I thought the Sarnoff stuff was a DSM implementation. If so, then it's not > what we're talking about (shared access to filesystems). That's just the MNFS stuff. The Sarnoff code implements a number of things, including a fully distributed lock manager. While not ideal, you could implement shared disk access by adding a shim into the disk access code, using the shared lock manager as a basis for gating requests through the shim. You could lock on a cluster access basis. You could also implement "soft read-only", which would give you the equivalent of a volume lock, where the FS was known to be in a good state (e.g. "virtually clean") before the lock was passed. This isn't nearly as efficient as cluster-level granularity, but it's passable, depending on how much reading vs. writing is going on. Normally, if you are implementing something like a web farm, you are doing mostly reading, and infrequent writing. Kirk and Julian both ran their soft updates test bed with a shared SCSI drive, with manual gating (an implementation detail) of read-only vs. read-write access. If he's going to buy the hardware, then it has to be with the caveat that he will have to hack code to implement this reasonably; soft updates, for example, would need synchronization points added to achieve lock handoff, without something like "soft read-only". As you pointed out in your original post, though, he's probably going to have to at _least_ hack code for his controller, anyway, so if he's in a "hacking mood", it might be reasonable for him to hack the other stuff as well (assuming he was deep in the "wolfpack" developement, this shouldn't be too hard for him to do, I think). XFS deals with all this crap by gating access to the Journal, and gating access to region allocation through a promiscuous mechanism not specific to the disks. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 17:22:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143E814D1B for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04919; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:19:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd004874; Tue Aug 24 17:19:37 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09541; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:19:36 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908250019.RAA09541@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD Alpha FS compatible with Intel? To: mikel@vintners.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:19:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9908242324.AA02499@slugbt.zso.dec.com> from "Mike Lempriere" at Aug 24, 99 04:24:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is the FreeBSD UFS identical between platforms? More specifically, can I > use an external SCSI drive with only data, on either an Alpha or Intel > platform by merely moving the cable and powering up in the new config? The table of contents layout is different. The actual on disk structures are the same. So if you build a small module to skip the platform appropriate portion of the bootstrap, and decode the platform specific portion of the disklable, you can use them between platforms easily. This is generally most simply accomplished with a removable disk, since you can skip the boot sector stuff (assuming a "dangerously dedicated" disk), and deal only with the disklabel code. I run a JAZ disk back and forth between the two with fairly trivial hacks (WARNING: I'm usinging modified versions of Julian's SLICE code to do this, and it won't work in -current without lots of hacks, so you would probably be better off hacking your own disklabel recognition). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 24 17:23:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8040E15146 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03861; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAl6aayh; Tue Aug 24 17:21:09 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09587; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:21:14 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908250021.RAA09587@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Clustering? To: ken@kdm.org (Kenneth D. Merry) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:21:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mikel@zso.dec.com, dg@root.com, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908242326.RAA72095@panzer.kdm.org> from "Kenneth D. Merry" at Aug 24, 99 05:26:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Ideally it would have live shared access... > > > > However, I'd be happy to get minimal one-or-the-other functionality like > > Wolfpack does. I run a small-time website hosting business off a FreeBSD > > server, and something as crude as this would be a big improvement over the > > current mechanism where on failure, I'd have to physically swap the drive > > cable to a partner machine and boot it. This is exactly the limited mode to which I was referring. > You can probably run things in a multi-initiator mode (i.e. with both > FreeBSD boxes attached to the array) and just use the array on one machine > or the other. You'd have to have the SCSI side of things setup properly, > of course. (just how depends on the array hardware, bus setup, etc.) > > I haven't actually done this, but I think Matt Jacob may > have done it with Fibre Channel. You'd have to ask him how it works. I would be interested in his response, if he wouldn't mind it being forwarded to the fs list... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 1:44:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wombat.ludvika.se (wombat.ludvika.se [194.18.168.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F68714D16 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jp@wombat.ludvika.se) Received: from localhost by wombat.ludvika.se with esmtp id m11JYem-0008mVC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #2); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorgen Pehrson To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AS 400 install problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've tried to install 3.2-RELEASE on an AlphaStation 400/233. But the keyboard keeps locking up for some reason. I've made the two floppies containing kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. And the keyboard works all the way up to the point where the install asks me what terminal capabilities I've got, by giving me four different choices. So I think that maybe the problem is that my graphics card isn't supported and it tries to talk to a serial console instead. It says PBXGA on the board if that's of any help. If this board isn't supported is there a list of which graphics board are supported on the Alpha w/ SRM and FreeBSD (and Digital UNIX as well preferably)? Thanks! -- Jorgen Pehrson jp@spektr.eu.org http://spektr.eu.org/~jp/ ----------------------------------------------------------- "Bill Gates and Richard Stallman Meet in Airport; Thousands Killed in Resulting Explosion. News at 11." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 1:50:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles553.castles.com [208.214.165.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD8615720 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02082; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908250844.BAA02082@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jorgen Pehrson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:43 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:44:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > I've tried to install 3.2-RELEASE on an AlphaStation 400/233. But the > keyboard keeps locking up for some reason. I've made the two floppies > containing kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. And the keyboard works all the way up > to the point where the install asks me what terminal capabilities I've > got, by giving me four different choices. > > So I think that maybe the problem is that my graphics card isn't > supported and it tries to talk to a serial console instead. That's correct; if it's asking you to select a terminal type, it thinks it's talking to a serial port. Odd that you actually see that though. > It says PBXGA on the board if that's of any help. No to me. > If this board isn't supported is there a list of which graphics board are > supported on the Alpha w/ SRM and FreeBSD (and Digital UNIX as well > preferably)? Most "normal" VGA cards. I've used a variety of nasty ISA cards and many PCI cards with good results. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 1:56:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81994158E1 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA77535; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:02:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:02:45 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Lempriere Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End of NT-on-Alpha In-Reply-To: <9908241808.AA32220@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Mike Lempriere wrote: > > Just thought you might all find this interesting. > > Compaq has officially axed Windows NT on Alpha machines. The final NT > release on Alpha will be NT 4, SP6. There will be no Win2K release. > > I am a member of DECWest (Bellevue WA), where most of the Digital/Compaq > NT development has been done. We are all to be laid off in the next few > weeks. > > Some related articles: > http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2318096,00.html > http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990819.picomchips.htm This actually just closes support for 32bit NT 4. There will be alpha support for some future variant of Win2k when MS manages to complete the WIN64 work. It may mean that there is no 32bit alpha version of win2k. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 1:56:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDAD1586D for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA77769; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:03:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:03:55 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Lempriere Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End of NT-on-Alpha In-Reply-To: <9908241808.AA32220@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Mike Lempriere wrote: > > Just thought you might all find this interesting. > > Compaq has officially axed Windows NT on Alpha machines. The final NT > release on Alpha will be NT 4, SP6. There will be no Win2K release. > > I am a member of DECWest (Bellevue WA), where most of the Digital/Compaq > NT development has been done. We are all to be laid off in the next few > weeks. Please ignore my last reply. I didn't actually notice that you were one of the people being laid off and therefore know exactly what is happening. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 2: 4:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56881586D for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA79760; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:12:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:12:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Lempriere Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha Install FAQ? In-Reply-To: <9908242343.AA02619@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Mike Lempriere wrote: > > Sorry to be such a bonehead and ask such a dumb question, but I haven't > found info on Alpha install anywhere at freebsd.org. Could someone please > point me to relevant info? I may instead be able to scrounge an > AlphaStation 500 which does have SRM. But then what??? Thanks! There is an INSTALL.TXT file in each snapshot or release which should explain how to get started. I can't see any recent 3.2 snapshots on current.freebsd.org but there are some 4.0 snapshots which will probably work nicely in current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 2:18:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles553.castles.com [208.214.165.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490FC157B9 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02344; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908250908.CAA02344@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha Install FAQ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:43:54 PDT." <9908242343.AA02619@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:08:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Sorry to be such a bonehead and ask such a dumb question, but I haven't > found info on Alpha install anywhere at freebsd.org. Could someone please > point me to relevant info? I may instead be able to scrounge an > AlphaStation 500 which does have SRM. But then what??? Thanks! The Alpha install is the same as the x86 install. - Make floppies. - Boot kern.flp. (*) - Insert mfsroot.flp when prompted. - Follow instructions on screen. - Be happy. (*) the magic incantation is "boot dva0". -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 2:39:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vintners.net (162-136-19.cortland.com [209.162.136.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6931A152C9 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@vintners.net) Received: from mars.vintners.net (162-136-19.cortland.com [209.162.136.19]) by mail.vintners.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA10554; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@vintners.net) X-Diagnostic: g=mikel@vintners.net, f=mikel@vintners.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908250943.CAA10554@mail.vintners.net> To: dfr@nlsystems.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Doug Rabson on Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:02:45 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: End of NT-on-Alpha From: mikel@vintners.net (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@vintners.net (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At the layoff announce meeting we were told something generic like "some Win64 development may continue". However, I worked with the Win64 folks and they are included in the layoff. Undoubtedly MS will continue to develop Win64 internally on the Alpha platform. > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:02:45 +0100 (BST) > From: Doug Rabson > To: Mike Lempriere > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: End of NT-on-Alpha [original deleted] > This actually just closes support for 32bit NT 4. There will be alpha > support for some future variant of Win2k when MS manages to complete the > WIN64 work. It may mean that there is no 32bit alpha version of win2k. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: *** mikel@vintners.net *** WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 7:39:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD8515356 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12541; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA00743; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) To: Jorgen Pehrson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14275.65356.102536.557186@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jorgen Pehrson writes: > Hi, > I've tried to install 3.2-RELEASE on an AlphaStation 400/233. But the > keyboard keeps locking up for some reason. I've made the two floppies > containing kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. And the keyboard works all the way up > to the point where the install asks me what terminal capabilities I've > got, by giving me four different choices. > > So I think that maybe the problem is that my graphics card isn't > supported and it tries to talk to a serial console instead. > > It says PBXGA on the board if that's of any help. You have a TGA graphics card, which is currently unsupported. Somebody was working on TGA support but didn't have access to an alpha over the summer. Your best bet would be to put in a VGA compatible graphics card, or install using a serial console. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 9:18:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles553.castles.com [208.214.165.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C2A15099 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04203; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908251609.JAA04203@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jorgen Pehrson Cc: Mike Smith , Jorgen Pehrson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:12:26 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:09:56 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've looked around at www.compaq.com and it seems that the PBXGA is als= o > known as ZLXp-E1 or tga. I thought that the tga board was supported und= er > FreeBSD or am I wrong? I have no idea why you would think this, since we've stated often that = it's not. 8) -- = \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 10:15: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E2715316 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15836; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), chuckr@picnic.mat.net, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: metal stickers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:20:47 -0000." <199908231720.KAA10880@usr01.primenet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:11:40 -0700 Message-ID: <15833.935601100@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The size of the Alpha market is kind of moot. That's not true when you're trying to work within a limited advertising budget. The point is far from moot in such a case. :) > I have more than one Intel PC that I'd stick Alpha-ized stickers > on, just to pretend they weren't running on Intel. Yeah, but you're just weird, Terry. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 12:36:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FEB15A10 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-32.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.32] (may be forged)) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA21080; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:34:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37C4455B.1E9068@airnet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:34:51 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem References: <199908250844.BAA02082@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: > > If this board isn't supported is there a list of which graphics board are > > supported on the Alpha w/ SRM and FreeBSD (and Digital UNIX as well > > preferably)? > > Most "normal" VGA cards. I've used a variety of nasty ISA cards and > many PCI cards with good results. Interesting. Whenever I put a PCI card in my Multia, the kernel panics with memory management problems. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 12:41:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA74B15A36 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00539; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908251933.MAA00539@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kris Kirby Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:34:51 CDT." <37C4455B.1E9068@airnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:33:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith wrote: > > > If this board isn't supported is there a list of which graphics board are > > > supported on the Alpha w/ SRM and FreeBSD (and Digital UNIX as well > > > preferably)? > > > > Most "normal" VGA cards. I've used a variety of nasty ISA cards and > > many PCI cards with good results. > > Interesting. Whenever I put a PCI card in my Multia, the kernel panics > with memory management problems. You probably want to be just a _little_ more specific than that... -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 12:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E9115351 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19860; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA05026; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:46:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:46:51 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS 400 install problem In-Reply-To: <37C4455B.1E9068@airnet.net> References: <199908250844.BAA02082@dingo.cdrom.com> <37C4455B.1E9068@airnet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14276.18073.613940.229311@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > Mike Smith wrote: > > > If this board isn't supported is there a list of which graphics board are > > > supported on the Alpha w/ SRM and FreeBSD (and Digital UNIX as well > > > preferably)? > > > > Most "normal" VGA cards. I've used a variety of nasty ISA cards and > > many PCI cards with good results. > > Interesting. Whenever I put a PCI card in my Multia, the kernel panics > with memory management problems. > Multias are notoriously flaky. Can you be more specific about what it said? I'm running an AS200/166 with some sort of Diamond S3 ViRGE card & and a number of machines (AS600 5/266, Miatas & XP1000s) with 3DLabs GLINT Permedia 2's. XFree86 works on both of these too. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 14:50:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BA715335 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04932 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:50:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: XFree86/Alpha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. I need a setup for a Millenium G200. ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 14:55:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B64A14DA1 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01271; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908252147.OAA01271@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:50:43 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:47:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and > got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The > port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. You have to use xf86Config; XF86Setup requires the 16-colour VGA server which doesn't work on the Alpha (yet). -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 15: 7: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC285152CE for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24286; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:03:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:03:10 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There were some patches that doug/andrew had, but it seems to work (insofar as a clinet goes haven't ried a server) On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and > got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The > port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. > > I need a setup for a Millenium G200. > > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 > (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 17:25: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467AB1501F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05360; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:24:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Mike Smith Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-Reply-To: <199908252147.OAA01271@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and > > got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The > > port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. > > You have to use xf86Config; XF86Setup requires the 16-colour VGA server > which doesn't work on the Alpha (yet). Thanks. X now done, I'm into a month of ports-building. Anyone given any thought to making Alpha packages (from the ports collection?) ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 17:30:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E597215053 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01992; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908260021.RAA01992@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:24:37 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:21:36 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and > > > got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The > > > port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. > > > > You have to use xf86Config; XF86Setup requires the 16-colour VGA server > > which doesn't work on the Alpha (yet). > > Thanks. X now done, I'm into a month of ports-building. > > Anyone given any thought to making Alpha packages (from the ports > collection?) Like on the upcoming Alpha snapshot disk? -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 17:47:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8667315B6F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05456; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:47:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Mike Smith Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-Reply-To: <199908260021.RAA01992@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Is there a XFree86 package for the Alpha? I messed about with it and > > > > got it to compile, but the XF86Setup stuff isn't building for me. The > > > > port says this exists, so the port's make package won't complete. > > > > > > You have to use xf86Config; XF86Setup requires the 16-colour VGA server > > > which doesn't work on the Alpha (yet). > > > > Thanks. X now done, I'm into a month of ports-building. > > > > Anyone given any thought to making Alpha packages (from the ports > > collection?) > > Like on the upcoming Alpha snapshot disk? I was just exercising my mindreading talents [he waits until AFTER I do my install to get that out!] ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 19:40:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DDA159D7 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05699; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:35:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Doug Rabson Cc: Mike Lempriere , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: End of NT-on-Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Mike Lempriere wrote: > > > > > Just thought you might all find this interesting. > > > > Compaq has officially axed Windows NT on Alpha machines. The final NT > > release on Alpha will be NT 4, SP6. There will be no Win2K release. > > > > I am a member of DECWest (Bellevue WA), where most of the Digital/Compaq > > NT development has been done. We are all to be laid off in the next few > > weeks. > > Please ignore my last reply. I didn't actually notice that you were one of > the people being laid off and therefore know exactly what is happening. Although, from Compaq's site, you would think Doug was right ... > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 19:46:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fuzzy.helloworld.org (adsl-216-62-132-139.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.62.132.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEF215031 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@fuzzy.helloworld.org) Received: (from jon@localhost) by fuzzy.helloworld.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA06301 for alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:45:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:45:12 -0500 (CDT) From: jon@cops.com Message-Id: <199908260245.VAA06301@fuzzy.helloworld.org> To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: X11 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an alpha server 400 (Avanti). I successfully installed 3.2-RELEASE and then the latest 4.0 snapshot. Neither of which had a /usr/X11R6 so I built X11 myself. It seemed to build fine but half way through the "make install" I get all kinds of errors about -lX11 no resolving. libX11.so did build and it is sitting in my /usr/X11R6/lib directory but it is still not found. I tried setting my ldconfig by hand and even rebooting but I never got it to work. Any ideas? Jon Rowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 25 20: 2:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971CE14E94 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05758; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:56:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: jon@cops.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X11 In-Reply-To: <199908260245.VAA06301@fuzzy.helloworld.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > I have an alpha server 400 (Avanti). > > I successfully installed 3.2-RELEASE and then the latest 4.0 > snapshot. Neither of which had a /usr/X11R6 so I built X11 myself. > It seemed to build fine but half way through the "make install" I > get all kinds of errors about -lX11 no resolving. libX11.so did > build and it is sitting in my /usr/X11R6/lib directory but it is > still not found. I tried setting my ldconfig by hand and even > rebooting but I never got it to work. [please use 80 column lines] I just did it, and I had one problem with an inability to find , which I found in /sys/pci/pci_ioctl.h. It's a bad fix, but while I fix this platform, I just copied the file over to /usr/include/sys and it then built and installed fine. I have to find why the file was moved, to figure out the right fix. I did this with the latest snap, I haven't brought it to current yet (I will). Do a make clean, and do the make again, this time saving the build script, and make real certain of the acutual error. If it's not the pci_ioctl.h thing, then send me the build script (the whole thing, don't get stingy on me). ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 2:50:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6798714EB2 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA62325; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:00:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:00:17 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Chuck Robey Cc: jon@cops.com, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > > I have an alpha server 400 (Avanti). > > > > I successfully installed 3.2-RELEASE and then the latest 4.0 > > snapshot. Neither of which had a /usr/X11R6 so I built X11 myself. > > It seemed to build fine but half way through the "make install" I > > get all kinds of errors about -lX11 no resolving. libX11.so did > > build and it is sitting in my /usr/X11R6/lib directory but it is > > still not found. I tried setting my ldconfig by hand and even > > rebooting but I never got it to work. > > [please use 80 column lines] > > I just did it, and I had one problem with an inability to find > , which I found in /sys/pci/pci_ioctl.h. It's a bad > fix, but while I fix this platform, I just copied the file over to > /usr/include/sys and it then built and installed fine. > > I have to find why the file was moved, to figure out the right fix. > > I did this with the latest snap, I haven't brought it to current yet (I > will). Do a make clean, and do the make again, this time saving the > build script, and make real certain of the acutual error. If it's not > the pci_ioctl.h thing, then send me the build script (the whole thing, > don't get stingy on me). The file never got moved to /sys/sys in the first place. Last time I attempted to think about this, the discussion faded out trying to figure out what copyright the file should have. Moving this file involves fixing a few places in the kernel and elsewhere which include it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 5:15: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A408B14DAE for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA27475; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:14:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:14:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Chuck Robey Cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: XFree86/Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: # Anyone given any thought to making Alpha packages (from the ports # collection?) You mean like this. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages I have been building a new set about once a week for a couple of months now. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 5:40:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED3C153EF for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA99709; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id A6D6E14FB6; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990826123725.A6D6E14FB6@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jan@online.be To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: alpha/13393: ahc(aic7xxx) driver compile error on alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 13393 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: ahc(aic7xxx) driver compile error on alpha >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Aug 26 05:40:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan >Release: 3.2-RELEASE for alpha >Organization: Online Internet nv/sa Belgium >Environment: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #0: alpha: Miata , digital workstation 433a 512MB RAM >Description: cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c: In function `ahc_alloc': ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:674: `I386_BUS_SPACE_MEM' undeclared (first use this function) ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:674: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:674: for each function it appears in.) ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:677: `I386_BUS_SPACE_IO' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 >How-To-Repeat: define ahc0 in the kernel and compile kernel >Fix: i've tried to change I386 into ALPHA all compiles well but the fs is not stable ( crashes when newfs is done ) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 9: 7: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4B715D0E; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA64315; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199908261606.JAA64315@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ken@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, gibbs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/13393: ahc(aic7xxx) driver compile error on alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ahc(aic7xxx) driver compile error on alpha Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-alpha->gibbs Responsible-Changed-By: ken Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 26 09:06:02 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: Justin's driver. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 10:18:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from swp5.gs.com (swp5.gs.com [192.246.9.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9B414C04 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Wally.Koscielny@gs.com) Received: from swp5.gs.com (root@localhost) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id NAA06091 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com ([199.29.246.34]) by swp5.gs.com with ESMTP id NAA06081 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com [138.8.220.34]) by nbcppsh02.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/dmzpo1) with ESMTP id NAA17046 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsny28e.et.gs.com (gsny28e.et.gs.com [148.86.93.30]) by nbcppsh01.wan.gs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0/postoffice1) with ESMTP id NAA11303 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gsny28e.et.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Koscielny, Wally" To: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Alpha is finally complete Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank You all for helping me with getting my Alpha up and running. It is not up as www.bsdunix.com and will host a site on Alpha FreeBSD resources one day. Again, thank you all. Wally K. PS_Any recommendations on cooling ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 12:12: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5CB14EA9 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (8.Who.Cares/8.Who.Cares) id WAA17615 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:44 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 3.2-stable fault Message-ID: <19990826221144.A15776@lucky.net> Reply-To: netch@lucky.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kernel of 3.2-19990817-STABLE with any tested config (including GENERIC) faults to run: without -v - says 'panic: timeout table full'; with -v - trap 0x02 after determining memory and PAL. 3.2-RELEASE does not fault. Hardware is AlphaPC 164SX, SRM V5.3, RAM 128M; SCSI NCR875, ether Tulip 21143. Where and how to dig? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 26 12:12:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FD0153E4 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by unicorn.carrier.kiev.ua (8.Who.Cares/8.Who.Cares) id WAA17631 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:04 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:04 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: kernel and sizes Message-ID: <19990826221204.B15776@lucky.net> Reply-To: netch@lucky.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Environment: 3.2-RELEASE on AlphaPC 164SX. Build kernel from "GENERIC" config. Warnings: ../../kern/kern_fork.c: In function `fork1': ../../kern/kern_fork.c:358: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ../../kern/kern_fork.c:359: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size These lines contain expressions: (unsigned)&p1->p_procsig->ps_endcopy (unsigned)&p1->p_procsig->ps_begincopy Sizeof(int) == 4, sizeof(void*) == 8, hence conversion can lose significant bits (possibly, it does not result in some badness in current environment, but looks dirty). Another similar warnings: ../../nfs/nfs_socket.c: In function `nfs_receive': ../../nfs/nfs_socket.c:599: warning: int format, different type arg (arg 3) ../../nfs/nfs_socket.c:599: warning: int format, different type arg (arg 4) ../../pci/if_ax.c: In function `ax_attach': ../../pci/if_ax.c:1149: warning: passing arg 3 of `pci_map_port' from incompatible pointer type ../../pci/if_ax.c:1209: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ../../pci/if_pn.c: In function `pn_attach': ../../pci/if_pn.c:1045: warning: passing arg 3 of `pci_map_port' from incompatible pointer type ../../pci/if_pn.c:1108: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ../../pci/if_pn.c: In function `pn_rx_bug_war': ../../pci/if_pn.c:1423: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ../../pci/pci.c: In function `pci_readcfg': ../../pci/pci.c:363: warning: implicit declaration of function `alpha_platform_assign_pciintr' ../../pci/pci.c: In function `pci_ioctl': ../../pci/pci.c:755: warning: int format, different type arg (arg 4) ../../pci/pci.c:755: warning: int format, different type arg (arg 5) ... and so on and so forth... Also, warnings during compiling of port devel/m4. Also, the similar in ports/editors/joe. (Moreover, cc1 from gcc dies with signal 11 on compiling joe; egcc compiles successfully.) If send separately, there is material for more than 30 PRs. ;| What can I believe in? ;) And what politics is to be taken - to send PR's, or to complain in freebsd-alpha@, or another way? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 27 0:17:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE7154A8 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07560; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Cc: dg@root.com, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clustering? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:17:05 PDT." <9908242317.AA02428@slugbt.zso.dec.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <7557.935737955@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > However, I'd be happy to get minimal one-or-the-other functionality like > Wolfpack does. I run a small-time website hosting business off a FreeBSD > server, and something as crude as this would be a big improvement over the > current mechanism where on failure, I'd have to physically swap the drive > cable to a partner machine and boot it. It sounds like you want the product that a company called Polyserv is putting out. It handles fail-over to n servers (IP service monitoring) and data replication through the Intermezzo shared filesystem. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 27 12:26:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2706615558 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA18337 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installation Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Problem: While attempting to install FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE on my Alpha I keep getting an error that the machine could not transfer slib (while installing /usr/src) This has occurred several times and occurs with the boot floppies in the 3.2 release and 3.2 stable directories. I have also tried this on 3 different Alpha systems with no luck. The site for the install was ftp.freebsd.org. The machines in question are AS200 4/233's with 96 megs of ram and 3 gig scsi hard disks. I am also getting a repeated sig 11 (whenever I tell the system to cancel the installation I get a sig 11 on every one of the systems) Could someone please let me know what I am doing incorrectly. (Previously 2 of these systems had NetBSD and one had FreeBSD current on them; all of which went in smoothly) -don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 27 23:51:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3288814C0C for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA19086 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:37:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 3.2-Stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I actually looked at the console error message and it is indeed a checksum error. Should this be fixed on the servers or is there something I can do to disable checksums if the package is still ok? Again this is regarding 3.2-STABLE for the alpha. -don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 28 8:28:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D3614D0D for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19715 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:27:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Java Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering if anyone know if there was any version of Java that ran on the Alpha? Even via emulation ... ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 28 12:32:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DEB14E09 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.151.11]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA00480; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:31:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (heller@localhost) by merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16508; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:31:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:31:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Heller To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html MARTIN On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > I was wondering if anyone know if there was any version of Java that ran > on the Alpha? Even via emulation ... > > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 > (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 28 19:28:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB94814D71 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29078; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA16312; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Martin Heller Cc: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14280.39103.106078.648056@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Heller writes: > There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at > http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html > MARTIN That won't work under emulation. It uses the native pthreads which in turn use mach systems calls. I have no idea how they work or how to emulate them.. Sorry.. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 28 19:37:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE9914F70 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21366; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:35:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Martin Heller , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <14280.39103.106078.648056@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Martin Heller writes: > > There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at > > http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html > > MARTIN > > That won't work under emulation. It uses the native pthreads which in > turn use mach systems calls. I have no idea how they work or how to > emulate them.. > > Sorry.. Well, you at least saved me some time finding this out. Darn ... > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message