From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 18 14:58:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842B82CBE02 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-24.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-24.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 494GLp1BSWz4MhK for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 4l_LQE8VM1k9FSlw9KgvD8PKCc5l3Kc507DWnlJmSOdAUtYwVi63aOFBwlgNuRr gNHiSUOA084MkPxMy3ERxYepbL8Daiji8RVXdd_pi1m1qyHC2CcrmJjGln2EkwAkP3ixEG517pA0 bfaChBQHJ6fkpMtP72JREnuqlz1Hh0g4hN9_M.sQBzKRsYzO4GRUWfGiS6V87AzCxlOcQh_Ew1zB EfTjZ4XPuirIoCw_iEtdb2AbTN4IAJYVH4sQNLaBPrPBZUKUt5trObueZNq3L7IaWdPds8SslPdO b2Hb52VyqbRmmycP6D80PWJjhCqHUbT6MDrYthkH65mDRqiBSvly3pUXP7HU01W8SSDTLOgP572r aRzE0EgvSXgRA4uztpCibCfTsoQoXnv1ClnD.GCetusR0jBCndqdqrlRRYpp8ikCIgJm9OZqqEyL heGyQrYy7Hf7DhYXwAMzlhSvd1brVc3dtlj4wSuE5m.BSnafFl42oPTQ4iClNKNUy04Dlte88rsg t89ou.nGX6KBN14bZbZTpbQ.PBI.a3wBtwfIku0HSbTLbjjPCNH4B9uR3fHLs6jqynDhBOWW1EH6 A8.oO8M937nslUeuJLjLQXExZPhUwcJrVK9hAyfODYBSPnXPWQK8oF2zOTRDY5m5n2KXADRltsB. zrxG3IdUPhkS91.zI58ZBZu5JZ5jKymFBl6A0UyMNFEBgkTHvuJcKksNgPW.3.rzcHyYYMx.OopO clr2q7dkh5R832eZrxyE8aSs_ZlAtP2YMZN7tlCGpmlNuAsUakvNljfU9y3GQFPfyFwj2DqPXEpb 6XYgYPq3ivVbfY6HCQ7KWnB7S1Wumzlzzq6UjC4z_cuu2UhjagCovBYFBDZhcOLInItlGvmR8nLx cessofafzhh03SRxF1xmt9a0AO8enYDSfQ0PZ_N2CDgkrfkgj47yr36vrkFKlS94e3L9J5qxIo_r 9k2XGx4CWhvGyty.fgZZ6eoSxWdlORPwVjLaQlNTfECVhpAS65tTlthTTkVWVZ0QoO_Ok_idX7De kr346m7RLA5B0kusepLB40vMZzzBUxU8Qe8LGcVTo0oOLu6xPyEspowuY7tQgN2ga8dQFuoFTDfz MP66YYTcurdPo79EtmILhHKTrqNJfUWoG8Umrc56_NnLIEl7jMbSIXhXyDFo0mgIUHMBZ8RITsEj DgJ6Efz7ktnHEDBY6AS5IjdgcjLfamOa79L82TR3LEVMa2ritJqC9AFcAdGdxgJf23MRFKuGvgxI h7wNRtJ9dbROmXix28VhuTve6_nBs30QmbuTIyEYxDp5.9nbQHQC_Qrb2qIHMQ9BPd0ybNqQIF5K Om5IO2bMBztE5yvgTd9lzWaZTE.0t4XRsnaSdlOESH1MIVF1tpVHax94fJLc8l7pq1uC8wA2uRqZ OCIp15sR4ACith_5SE49lKO_nNKAwogPQdj3AV3XS2b44jGDg5bMXL.ShpROkwwV9uFK_6Bk- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:56 +0000 Received: by smtp424.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e2deef9550d79ceda1f0ffb163cafe99; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:58:53 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture Message-ID: <20200418165853.79dbdde1@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> <681077991.2278153.1587146552233@mail.yahoo.com> <20200417213025.16ba5877.freebsd@edvax.de> <1659102270.119843446.1587168373188.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200418092801.20d10f5b@archlinux> <4bc4b613-50a7-4890-61e8-5ed5037b07dc@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 494GLp1BSWz4MhK X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.717,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.963,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[82.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (6.09), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.14), asn: 34010(1.69), country: GB(-0.07)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[82.179.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:58:59 -0000 On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:12:16 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >And no GPL is not a binding contract because it fails the >"consideration" test of what constitutes a contract (i.e. no money >traded hands and thus no contract was formed... the user gave no >consideration). See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contract ("The >basic elements required for the agreement to be a legally enforceable >contract are: mutual assent, expressed by a valid offer and >acceptance; adequate consideration; capacity; and legality" ) "Is the GPL enforceable in law ? At least in Germany, based on our own experience: yes. In recent years, there have also been successful court cases in the United States. We see no evidence to believe it is not enforceable globally." - https://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq/ . http://www.gpl-violations.org/ https://de.wikinews.org/wiki/GPL_setzt_sich_vor_deutschem_Gericht_durch Btw. you are the only one mentioning morality. I mentioned a business model. If you sell electronic products you could follow different business models. One model could be to rasp away labelling on integrated circuits and other components, to make it harder for business rivals to build similar products or harder for pirates to copy your product. Another model could be to not rasp away anything and even to include circuit diagrams to the product content, so your customers are able to maintain the gear, which could be a way to make more money, due to the customer friendliness, than you would earn by fear of business rivals and pirates. For some software the GPL'ed business model is a very good way to gain customer loyalty, hence I provided the Ardour DAW as an example. It's probably not the best business model for everyone. That one business model doesn't fit to everyone, doesn't justify assertions, such as your On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:50:09 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >And here goes the *ABSOLUTE* reason why no developer who ever hopes to >make any money at all from their work should *EVER* use GPL. It's utter nonsense! Without doubts MIT, BSD and other licenses are better for some projects, while for other projects GPL could grant a bonus.