From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 19:52:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536DE1437AF7 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 19:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64831814FB for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 19:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id fVVXgRxHFMRX3fVVZg0Kj0; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:51:53 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=TL87tGta c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=heTAvR70AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=rvQz1gdAMq8sn9p4rQwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UrJ2pwYPfabwj1STkZPu:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C14DC10E9; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x04JppHQ029489; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x04Jppo2029486; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201901041951.x04Jppo2029486@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Wojciech Puchar cc: Cy Schubert , Igor Mozolevsky , Enji Cooper , Hackers freeBSD Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: Message from Wojciech Puchar of "Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:24:43 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 11:51:51 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOzIvONbGyrPevIJS6XVxtWux42gL/kQAO+dFZPL6ipmm0sDuIjvmeJXpyJ9s655xvFvoqj2s3LWUyPFPr/tEEU/dbiO2FDLQywudrk6hyOS69TUBgxR 7Oo/ywEKvGFQ1xHvUHyTPK9EzHxVkJ9DgDUI0kuYQO0AvtuEVfrOnvpUenyRJRzjBPg6MHr9mjSm9V/pQw5uANhxwqaSZGJQS+XaXsW0kXHGq0nkVTtZeDRI +dWPkmbp9DvuRptagGBqOh8WJkfGKj2sNIKqHdPsaq8ES1a+0qy30U3RW8hLGRK5 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 64831814FB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.93)[ip: (-5.07), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.49), asn: 6327(-2.00), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[9.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 19:52:01 -0000 In message , Wojciech Puchar wr ites: > > > > My points were: > > > > A) FreeBSD needs to become a platform that can host current and > > evolving virtualization technologies. > > > > B) FreeBSD should be able to play in the container space similarly to > > Linux. Unfortunately I believe that this horse has left the barn and it > > may be too late. Then again maybe there is something we can redeem. > > C) Make FreeBSD like others. So why making FreeBSD? Because we offer some technologies the others do not. Unfortunately inferior and incompatible approaches (similarly: VHS vs BETA, Blue Ray vs HD) have left us on the outside. Try porting Kubernetes to FreeBSD. The technologies used today are more than just fads. They are building blocks onto which future technologies will be built. > > Not everyone needs the same. Niche. We should be more than simply a desktop O/S (which BTW I use as my primary desktop) and we should be more than a simple bare metal O/S. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.