From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 6 00:44:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D691065672 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 00:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AB58FC0A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 00:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o460iFdP017723; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:44:14 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chris Whitehouse Message-ID: <20100506004414.GC39421@thought.org> References: <20100505220532.GA39386@thought.org> <4BE1F6C0.3000506@onetel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BE1F6C0.3000506@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, GUARANTEED_100_PERCENT,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on ethic.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: 2 qstns re pc-bsd... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 00:44:20 -0000 On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:52:48PM +0100, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >i ask here? [i'm trying to add my beloved zsh [[heart-throbs]], > >and ff3, and others. i thought i had installed the ports stuff. > >nope. > > When I looked at PCBSD some while ago it had 3 ways of doing ports. #1 > is standard (make install) FreeBSD ports, #2 is also standard FreeBSD > ports but installed to a different location, #3 is PBI which is > statically compiled (or at least is completely self contained in some > way) and is a very quick binary install. zsh is available here > http://www.pbidir.com/bt/pbi/96. The PBI system is a bit of a flagship > aspect of PCBSD so probably works pretty well. hmm. i clicked on the package icon thing and after clicking around, the thing went nuts. maybe it was trying to upgrade everything from 07jan. i got tothe Shells table; but then found nowhere to click. --this was about 70 minutes ago. i will happily learn about pbi --ok, not happily, but willingly-- if it lets me dload the binary. [[i can Always get the src, right?] but there was nowhere that i saw to click that displayed the pbidir.com/bt/ URL. How does one get there? I must have done something ungodly silly during the install; i thought i clicked on the ports choice. not ye olden fashioned #1, but the #2 you mention above. hangon; it's about a yard away. ...not clear. i think it is "updating". i opened the browser and do have a link to the net. one thing that is confusing is the mouse clicks. left, then right+ "Open." ... > > Method 2, which is the default when you build your own, is designed to > keep 'your' ports separate from 'system' ports. Because PCBSD is a > desktop system some ports eg kde are ready installed and are upgraded as > part of a PCBSD system upgrade. 'Your' ports are installed in a separate > place to allow PCBSD upgrades to occur without interfering with yours. it would help [maybe only me] to have a 'Console' frame to see what is really going on. all that is shown is a horizontal strip with blue barber pole stripes and the percentages ... Of What, dunno! > > That's written from memory of a year ago - please check for yourself in > case things have changed. i'll do that! looks like this 'pbi' stuff is a solution for the dependency messes here. i wonder how much thought has been given to using that solution here. Anybody care to jump in? > > I think you mentioned in a previous post that you wanted PCBSD for some > server stuff. I'm just curious because PCBSD is clearly aimed at desktop > use, whereas one might think FreeBSD is a more appropriate choice for > the server stuff. Not that either couldn't do either job... > well, the deal was [and still is] that i had to move over to my other computr or KVM to the other [ubuntu] to play streams. audio/video. for my money, i prefer to listen to radio streams about 5 to 1, but the standalone BBC || NPR radio deals wouldn't play on freebsd. And none of the video streams played here. it was partly mucking with that proprietary Sun stuff, and maybe the flashit too. nutshell, only on linux did everything work. after about 15 years of FreeBSD, i know it fairly well. so pc-bsd would be pref to ubuntu. here, at least, i know where things live :-) now i may be wrong, but i think openjdk7 got things starting to work. a pal, an older student at the UW is going to help me set up a fail safe, roll-over {fall-back/failsafe} configuration that will have my Server stuff AND ~kline. when my network was crumbling in jan '08, a guy from dallas set me up with a pfSense computer plus the server. very secure, but just slightly overkill[?] ... my college friend thinks we can do everything with ifp or pf or ipfw and DNS, web and mail and /home. A backup would be there justincase. ok, enuf, [& tx], gary > Chris > > > >gary > > > > > > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel