From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 19:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4689716A4CE; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB6C43F85; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hAP3hZiF076254; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAP3hZ43076253; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200311250343.hAP3hZ43076253@apollo.backplane.com> To: Scott Long References: <20031125025621.453732A8FC@canning.wemm.org> <20031124202408.Y69870@pooker.samsco.home> cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:43:37 -0000 :I think that you forgot to attach the patches that demonstrate all of :this. : :Also, I'm really starting to resent you using the FreeBSD mailing lists as :an advocacy channel for DragonFly. I fail to see how FreeBSD 4.x and :DFBSD relate to FreeBSD 5-current, which is the overall topic of this :mailing list at the moment. : :Scott That's too bad, Scott. You are just going to have to live with it. From my point of view anything related to BSD is fair and reasonable game, and regardless of anything else this mailing list is discussing topics and things that are near and dear to my heart and I have a perfect right to comment on them. I've contributed a considerable amount of time and effort to FreeBSD and I have a right to be on this list. From my point of view, it's all under the same open-source umbrella anyway. The moment you start thinking of a project in isolation is the moment you start to disconnect from your responsibility to the project and to all the users and developers who depend on the project. I still run a lot of FreeBSD boxes and know people who run a lot of FreeBSD boxes and, frankly, that gives me just as much right to comment on the future directions of FreeBSD as you or anyone else. So you are just going to have to live with it. Maybe instead of fuming over DFly you should consider the work from a more technical standpoint. -Matt Matthew Dillon