From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 22 8:20:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776B637C1E7 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA19514; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:19:08 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda19511; Wed Mar 22 08:18:53 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA03516; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdkO3510; Wed Mar 22 08:18:51 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA00950; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:18:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003221618.IAA00950@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdCQz945; Wed Mar 22 08:18:33 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get used to it. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:23:25 CST." <00032208000803.01108@nomad.dataplex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:18:33 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please read my comments on -chat. From an amateur psychologist's it might be some food for thought. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC In message <00032208000803.01108@nomad.dataplex.net>, Richard Wackerbarth write s: > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote: > > And yes I know some > > answers in the past been more than a little unfriendly, but I don't blame > > them. I can take a GO RTFM answer > Yes, but that is only because you are knowledgable of the culture. > As computers have gotten bigger and faster, the OS has become much more > complicated. The learning curve is huge. Even after decades, I don't pretend > to > know how many parts of it work. I am quite happy to treat those parts as "bla > ck > boxes" unless I need to tweek them. > > > I feel like this: - if I want to use "their" software to run "my" system .. > > That's the fundamental problem -- an "us" and "them" attitude. > Until it becomes an "our" attitude, the schism will continue to limit the > "community". > > > I get better support from the FreeBSD community that I do from $10K > > support contracts. > > Yes, the real value is in the COMMUNITY. > > > I belive it has already broken out of the developers sandbox. And I don't > > think it's a wish from the current general FreeBSD population that we > > should attract more first-timers in masses. I could be wrong on this one I > > know .. but it's still my impression. > > We need to work toward developing a "knowledge ladder". By chopping off the > bottom rungs, you guarantee that, in the long run, the community will wither. > > When it finally comes down to the bottom line, a growing community with > "acceptable" technology will beat out the "elitist niche" even though they ha > ve > superior technology. > > > This is very true indeed, but I don't want those changes in the system .. I > > > want updates in the handbook and the FAQ. > Beef up the suspension on every vehicle rather than straightening and paving > the road :-) > > > I don't feel comfortable with a oneclick > > checkbox doing multiple operations. FreeBSD forces me to think each step > > though > "One click" solutions save a lot of time... > if, and it's a big IF, > 1) The developer of the button really designs it correctly > 2) There is an over-ride so that it is not the only option. > > > and this in the end will save me a lot of headaches. > Only if you are ever able to get started. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message