From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 08:01:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709C16A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EDC13C46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 800AB8C0AD; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:01:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:01:39 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:40 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:43:36AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > > Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the > > author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was > > not -- especially considering the following history: > > It seemed acceptable wrt. the source package; I was querying the > effect on binary packages. It would have prevented binary packages. > Also read again what I have written about the Xinerama module. > Why is it not a separate package? What is it disguised as part > of Ion, when it is not? ion-3 is deleted -- both in source form, and in binary package form -- so the point is moot. Even without the Xinerama code, I don't see how we could have met your 'no modifications' clause and still have ion-3 be able to run on FreeBSD. In fact, I don't see how any packaging system can meet that standard. Perhaps you can tell me where I'm wrong here. My conclusions from your interactions with Debian + Gentoo + ArchLinux + pkgsrc + OpenBSD is that it is not possible for us to meet your objections in a timely fashion for this release. Apparently only Debian felt like they could meet your objections, even in absence of a deadline; the others either deleted it, or, in the case of OpenBSD, stayed with an older version that predates these licensing clauses. I haven't investigated the state of ion-3 with respect to any other major Linux distributions; the above seem to me to be a representative enough sample. Of course, I'm puzzled why the deletion of ion-3 wasn't enough to end this discussion. I myself have no further interest in discussing it. mcl