From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 00:05:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658655B804F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yZX5HFyz3PTk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9335571A78E for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h4lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10822-01 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (h4lix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27E8671A789 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Fongaboo X-X-Sender: fongaboo@h4lix.wtfayla.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2yZX5HFyz3PTk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com designates 64.246.134.154 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.246.134.154]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fongaboo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22302, ipnet:64.246.132.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:41 -0000 I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to be properly maintained. I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. Fong On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of > FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s > unfortunate inability to squash bug > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left > with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system > that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other > utilities. > > -- > Jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 00:23:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751655B892F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yyf4y5dz3Qgs for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yyc2gRtzDqJb for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616286184; bh=hkZ5upvImhN5rNj1vJGyXusTMATsZmAnG/exs7bEIWc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=NEv9pb29ShrfPe5Gg6ZirnVjh2EOw8TWQyatlkcVytJKfzTGaUmDhtjqm4/3Oyumu INlQlzpxLpZD9KaIj4MwmwaQ6ihOgXnJDK3VUOMrd1Rg7rInowM7L3/aK6Ul0t1Jj+ Ysy3f2E+gpAIDFdF9XKQinnvt++jq7uadSqiFFOI= X-Riseup-User-ID: 56559BD12EECEE086A277BC367430079BC7660DC290EA634C0E576B954A9A6C5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2yyc1VXYz1yBB for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 From: Weaver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64237deaa306d2fc2c9ea41e916395b9@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2yyf4y5dz3Qgs X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=NEv9pb29; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of weaver@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=weaver@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:07 -0000 On 21-03-2021 10:05, Fongaboo wrote: > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be > wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have > time to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, > please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: > > After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD > colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs > to be properly maintained. > > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and > is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just > completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, > Postfixadmin & Roundcube. > > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm > willing to share my walkthroughs. > > > Fong > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > >> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s >> unfortunate inability to squash bug >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left >> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >> utilities. Plus 1 I run Debian unstable on a production machine, and it's far more stable than any Windows box. I wouldn't be using it to run my business otherwise. Use the stable release for servers, and it's hard to go wrong. In the apt.sources list enable non-free and contrib. and you will have access to any firmware required for just about anything out there. Very much looking forward to BSD experiences, however. I remember an install of TrueOS when that was still happening, and it was as solid as a rock. The house felt as though it was anchored by it. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3024 https://www.zdnet.com/article/to-the-space-station-and-beyond-with-linux/ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/gnu-linux-chosen-as-operating-system-of-the-international-space-station https://www.computerweekly.com/blog/Open-Source-Insider/International-Space-Station-adopts-Debian-Linux-drops-Windows-Red-Hat-into-airlock Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 01:17:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58D5BA04C for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F309k30vyz3js9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a238:cff0:91af:a860:b907:eaa2] (unknown [172.58.136.188]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DF4C4E6B3; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:40 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <766AC454-804B-492E-B547-E2399C07D0CD@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Fongaboo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F309k30vyz3js9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.136.188:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 -0000 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Fongaboo = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be = wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time = to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please = forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: >=20 > After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD = colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to = be properly maintained. >=20 > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and = is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed = a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, = Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If Jerry decides to move that way, your post may help him, so thanks = from Jerry in advance. To balance what you said I just add my experience of opposite move: from = Linux to FreeBSD, and my servers are happily FreeBSD for about a decade. = And that move from Linux to FreeBSD a lot of advantages and solved quite = a number of problems Linux was giving me. But numbercrunchers and = workstations I maintain for the department are Linux (and some = workstations are MacOS, andMS Windows). The search where to flee from Linux began after switch from 2.4 to 2.6 = kernel. Actually some time - over a year - after that, when it became = too annoying: every 45 days on average: either glibc or kernel security = update =3D=3D> reboot. One of my friends started using the word Lindoze = (implying irreverent name of known commercial system requiring reboot = after update which happens often). Search for the system where to flee from Linux took a couple of years. = Open solaris was considered at some point as a candidate. About a time = when Oracle bough out Sun Microsystems. And the joke after that = acquisition was: how do we call their system now? Well, repeat many = times sun-oracle faster and faster, and you will get it right: snorkel. Jokes aside: FreeBSD ended up a choice, and very sound one. It is the = highest used of BSD descendants (I will not count here commercial ones). = Incidentally, Microsoft was once noticed running FreeBSD on a couple of = their servers. Reboots are rare: once or twice a year the most often. = Jails allow easily juggle a bunch of small servers (each being a jail on = a machine hosting 10-20 jails). Some of the servers do not even exists = as an individual system: they are composed of several jails, each = running one (or few inseparable) services; people can ssh to the server, = they appear just in separate jail where no other services (except for = sshd) run. And the list of conveniences goes on. I hope this helps to balance Fongaboo=E2=80=99s post ;-) Valeri > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm = willing to share my walkthroughs. >=20 >=20 > Fong >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: >=20 >> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s >> unfortunate inability to squash bug >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666, l am left >> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >> utilities. >> --=20 >> Jerry >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 01:44:55 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211C5BA8AD for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au [203.41.22.115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2560 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au", Issuer "Heuristic Systems Type 4 Host CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F30n06WtHz3lSf for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from [10.0.5.3] (noddy.hs [10.0.5.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 12L1hLMg079746 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:43:22 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=heuristicsystems.com.au; s=hsa; t=1616291002; x=1616895803; bh=D/sCbUJT8EOaMGgvbkYgyu8ML5sDfgDVdwgX3heQyww=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date; b=Bu4kxlwBclljikgCp8RccM0mGochDzHpZjrxc9m8QcQrypE8TXfJ/VIMit1iHdlz2 d2gPCWOsvAMLI8n6iF95dxjVWDiJReBS1I+qBpDB5NP9l65H5B+uVx808ZyyUo1ZD4 N4zky0F3Arnca8cIEDOFVmW2w9702RfYvnEaH8VGdIBwg857F7ZYr X-Authentication-Warning: b3.hs: Host noddy.hs [10.0.5.3] claimed to be [10.0.5.3] From: Dewayne Geraghty To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: IPSEC loosing camellia in IPSEC on FreeBSD13? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:42:18 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F30n06WtHz3lSf X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=heuristicsystems.com.au header.s=hsa header.b=Bu4kxlwB; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au designates 203.41.22.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heuristicsystems.com.au:s=hsa]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:55 -0000 For those that skim release notes, https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ I noticed that FreeBSD13 drops from IPSEC: - some integrity checks as well as blowfish, cast128, des, des3 & variants AND camellia. From my stable/12 "man setkey" this leaves ciphers: null, aes-cbc, aes-ctr and aes-gcm16. Apparently the reason is that it wasn't mentioned in RFC8221, while section 1.2 states "As a result, any algorithm listed at the IPsec IANA registry that is not mentioned in this document MAY be implemented." it goes on to explain what must not be used. (Camellia is not part of that list) Camellia does appear in the IANA registry https://www.iana.org/assignments/isakmp-registry/isakmp-registry.xhtml#isakmp-registry-9 Can anyone help me to understand why camellia should be removed? On a purely number of rounds basis, camellia is better. Both AES and camellia use S boxes, camellia uses 18 rounds for 128b keys and 24 rounds on 192 and 256 bit keys, while commercial/public AES-128 uses 10 rounds and AES-256 14 rounds. FreeBSD is better by having more choice of ciphers and somewhat ahead of the pack (rfc4312 (Camellia use with ipsec)). Ref: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=16aabb761c0a PS And yes I use IPSEC with camellia between FreeBSD boxes and I was planning on upgrading some old internet facing systems. Twofish would be better ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 02:42:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4A55BBD9E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F323Q5Y0zz3p0f for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12L2gLrT003566 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F323Q5Y0zz3p0f X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:27 -0000 My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing list or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following UPDATING and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex involving the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly obvious. I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion (for a while anyway). The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I think that will work. Correct? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 03:07:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4305BC688 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F32bs6GWJz3qY2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.96]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB1C74E678; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:57:25 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:57:23 -0500 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Doug Denault X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F32bs6GWJz3qY2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.61 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.96:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.137.96:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.82)[0.825]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.63)[-0.626]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.811]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:06 -0000 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Doug Denault wrote: >=20 > My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating = 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and = apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that = worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing list = or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following UPDATING = and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex involving = the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or = nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly obvious. = I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion (for = a while anyway). >=20 > The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that = happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src = so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add = /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. Did you try to use svn? Something in lines svn co https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2 /usr/src (confessing: I=E2=80=99m lazy guy, and about a week or so ago I still = used svn, successfully). > On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required = packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So = on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. >=20 > As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all = packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. = This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, = so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. >=20 > All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 = /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I think = that will work. Correct? >=20 I would just move existing /usr/src off the way (rename) and pull fresh = new of the release you need (say, using svn command if git doesn=E2=80=99t= work on that machine for whatever reason). 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TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:38:49 -0000 Hi, I did not go through the full thread. So, this might be already said. Did you consider ZFS? It should be possible meanwhile to have ZFS on Linux. It is the plan to make pools usable on both operating systems. The idea would be to create three partitions. Two small one for the '/' of the operating systems and a huge one which will be shared. Erich On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:36:15 -0600 Duke Normandin wrote: > I want to install both FreeBSD and a Linux distro on an ASUS laptop > that I just upgraded with a 1T HDD. > > I'm not sure how to proceed for a 50-50 split the HDD storage. > 2 equal Primary partitions? First one gets Freebsd; the 2nd left > unused until I install a Linux distro? > > OR - do I have to dedicate the 2nd to some filesystem when I install > FreeBSD? > > Any advise, suggestions, heads-ups, will be most appreciated! 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It's not just the far greater number of > partitions that makes it superior, it's the ability to use partition > labels regardless of what the partition contains. If you're > multibooting it's so much easier having device names > like /dev/gpt/fbsdroot in your /etc/fstab rather than having to > remember which partition number you used. Thanks for the clarification! Acronyms; synonyms; antonyms; close-but-not-quite-nyms! It all gets a bit confusing after awhile! LOL -- Duke Normandin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 08:19:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E556B1EE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39XH4R85z4b82 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39XD611TzDqMS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:19:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616314764; bh=CLuOLS0ZBaQy0m2LBFGMrk+YSab3rLmESft3NPe2tLU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=YxcF3TXjAxWhbjwgUWMS8v/BW9kS3+GD6xIr9aHDhqHe8WlVYpAbj3oIF8/icU0+i Icmu8R2s9/0HXKd0e/+Ma3BNmaFORj6kyEmGx6VuXx4qzQWH2FSHRmza0QFj7mPufq UT42dd8094LGcL7IIYtas4z0uADi12Kw8DMe/wZA= X-Riseup-User-ID: 414F3776555B324E593D61B18BAB5665B803263AD3DB78C12441C899717E0487 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F39XD1TSjz1xmR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:23 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning 1T HDD Message-ID: <20210321091923.5c24553a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321033913.1983b203.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20210317213615.7e1443af@antix1> <20210321033913.1983b203.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F39XH4R85z4b82 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=YxcF3TXj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.56 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.960]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:28 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:39:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >I did not go through the full thread. So, this might be already said. > >Did you consider ZFS? It should be possible meanwhile to have ZFS on >Linux. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-March/293383.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 17:05:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0145AEEEF for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fongaboo.com) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2nFn03f0z4m0K for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fongaboo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029259CF85 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h4lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98749-05 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (h4lix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6173F59CF82 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Fongaboo X-X-Sender: fongaboo@h4lix.wtfayla.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> Message-ID: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2nFn03f0z4m0K X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@fongaboo.com designates 64.246.134.154 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@fongaboo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.246.134.154]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fongaboo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22302, ipnet:64.246.132.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:17:38 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:33 -0000 I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time to pour through it. If I'm off-base and out of context, please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to be properly maintained. I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. Fong On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of > FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s > unfortunate inability to squash bug > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left > with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system > that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other > utilities. > > -- > Jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 10:41:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6CF56F464 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Dgh2WF6z4jyJ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ec34bfec for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b7367833 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id be515e14 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 5b33f055 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:40:56 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: new install Message-ID: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Dgh2WF6z4jyJ X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:05 -0000 Hi! I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few questions, please: Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is enabled. I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And secure boot should be disabled too? Thank you. --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 11:01:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F52D56FE91 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3F701t0mz4kx6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3F6y1bRpzDsWp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616324474; bh=WM9KqOtB7JdAmCt5IEYkvkEwUqPK150PX4WVaYRaQ3M=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=MEMiUT+I9DJrNXcyBwtZOjB+IgWblgEoujtR4O+eOwvpgYkaBjJSx0OQVE8ijgY+G EC4GBQFAheqDhh+fTdapLDj/mHkTfrWpk/U5UC+qGGU+FibTqnGnbeW+VyucSNQTDo ogWGcbQe9mvmv3XDkZHNDxd6KGRtY/bwLphZWYUY= X-Riseup-User-ID: D1DEFC96B5D4BC4BEC98414E28A1D751D33416F73135F0DAF456BD46729698BD Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3F6x3xv4z5vNG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:01:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3F701t0mz4kx6 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=MEMiUT+I; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:17 -0000 On Sat, 2021-03-20 at 13:05 -0400, Fongaboo wrote: > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be > wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. You are mistaken. A flame war, yes, even Mr. Godwin has been here for a visit, but it isn't an OS-war. It is the classic "if you are not as smart as me, than this is the wrong place for you" dispute. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 11:56:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E5F571CFA for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3GLG0zTgz4nl3 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id u10so17552797lju.7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:56:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3Z46+X8GZ4EkwrQu5Q+Q5/rWPLqxcMyAQ2kvEmFwTqc=; b=kkNKBzLgTMrgurrCvOukmyOSlIztYUgV7O5rjFeVyWXWbbedUwfSGlsxoy3Wb8l5TN K67SMQ15hrxXbZy6JksL7AQXUtdNxaGvuvnJmGNGX3aLaLXBirETSWc18RuV78zOb1RS o8U04tTVcARJXV8RvI9mA2w8DZ9W1GBPRH7rtYEKrE6046EIpxxAJtxqi+RvcaKTXFvB M7F3wn6s3J367Ktk7wOYq/FSmqSwI74zT0zhAJsirvfc43i00wCpo3UdDge0mB15BTcE ifgfFJh0cPoRLgXY0sHOHLwRwxrO4//UiIFCoQMlhkqbQhsuHH//JCPOiiSj/szXXZLf XbFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3Z46+X8GZ4EkwrQu5Q+Q5/rWPLqxcMyAQ2kvEmFwTqc=; b=V2539w1kEgQbM7vTb6/IRLUNTcB/p05zY+mRxvPSE5DaK6usULRG/yJRXKYhsPKlBl YNM0knb+JQeA8tDgE72g99Clrgn/oLaNGMgutsh2aeOnB6h5m0lxI1f0VdbDnBHKo/Th /4mvVj9gOW6id5vZzWh9daqK1H/SjbdtDRRR/WCJ7HLh8EkhAuVLDdgz8Jw41ShLAFOi LNCoxHGudyPTexusQUm9r9Sqq+hBqydw51a6Pmhhy1nPqNGrTXl36CsjdldSC8r27WSq 7BS04esFwY94NX27IfImBZa6RIkMN1hP5COHK2fP1OksVGNI2LdIkVnkGEb/iOgFZSsa gw7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531L73QsjzrPtGcDwwXo+yiuvQXajnaxns+e1OCju+iRTg0t6OkF SGZ+Q1+q04WEvEEtJnvJnwPRGxL4jCQlqm440Awj8lcXyewtaiY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJxuoaGmqXTLG0faizbC6vUcETjwcg8VYyBkKl/3+7+cpjJcp47PyUXzsATVFmZdAin3cF2vQHL47ey/rRpq0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5b9:: with SMTP id f25mr6544518ljn.90.1616327764164; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:56:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Mohammad Noureldin Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: Jerry Cc: FreeBSD , Tomasz CEDRO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3GLG0zTgz4nl3 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=kkNKBzLg; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mohammad@thelightbird.com does not designate 2a00:1450:4864:20::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mohammad@thelightbird.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[thelightbird.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:07 -0000 Hi folks, IMO this is not the place to discuss other OS alternatives in place of FreeBSD/*BSD. Not that I have anything against any other OS, but there are other places (mailing lists and/or forums mainly related to those other OSes) which are more suitable to discuss that. Jerry, that does not mean in anyway that you are invited to "shut-up" or "just-to-fuck-off", I believe it has been explained by more than one person that this is not the attitude of this community. Moving forward, following the advice from Tomasz [1], I want to buy a HW on which we can investigate the problem and work on a solution (if possible/if any). Not just that, I want to volunteer to do the work if the fix will require some code changes (possibly in addition to the patches attached already to that PR), but for that I may need guidance and mentor-ship - Tomasz, is it possible that you can help in that respect ? Jerry, from what I've read in [2], the issue is related to 'C610/X99 series chipset' from 'Intel Corporation'. One of the attachments [3], specifically referred to 'Dell XPS 8930'. Is that the same machine on which you are having problems ? Looking forward to your reply [1] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-March/293464.html [2] - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666 [3] - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=213055&action=edit -- Mohammad Noureldin Founder/Owner The Lightbird From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:04:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E4A574EE2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sidney.reilley.ii@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x42a.google.com (mail-pf1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Hs32yhWz4s1w for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sidney.reilley.ii@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id x26so9130496pfn.0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+zWcwxkU2JWy5zDIerrOMfJ/kgjRXSHHdNAqcuU8ykE=; b=tkq/s6S9vDLHKcAomnbcbc/yhH80l4RYHyyj1RIG4XWDqLK/UY9Pjs/uDXQXSJ9Pxw W7oBqBmJy6Trfx+qYNombZEWUqIb0YWMRfoDc3wPq6Q5o7XY+vAIRXwxK7qMGSrcf/Up 22479Zbs8TSIZdVhBANrECKRiL9rf7dS/vyIqMa7jUy5c84kHUsmiEbme71qjx7in3DF T+F016Kyn4oZbrOZqD7zxQ/kcjMWo2mRNHBuDE3EamwIcFSDHaE91iy3rhBU3EHzO6ml +6DsZNzDJIwsP0fhfCNYN+w1JiD3/b9LmpuiUaQK/P8hFSFWzyqgHqXOcanbv9q5ezIu u7Aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+zWcwxkU2JWy5zDIerrOMfJ/kgjRXSHHdNAqcuU8ykE=; b=dcxyrLIAuZqkKIkWmkLtPB/V4a67hKndYXqYTP/GO/BG/MMKhGxqDqlbKQlwzMgLTb rad1uwdZNPV1eto+fS9mCcTOapgzJsZ+eakw0vaClC+eSqa8ZriJDxD4f6sAg6/e5fjO dlkV/4WULkJ1HOivJIGvxEYgGZVKVerQTFtP+3+9vIhYEnvJGy6awpbNndUeqFvlb8Wu /OUUd9hm6+yYy0W0r8OIf+gb1u8Ox4gFjBhPp6Oc8MTLHXzPQSuOA9zH80Fms5rA4nnE dz4gZMcbE2qEJtRtDxHQ8knT7mlhMkeiy/zSXt3lWYdbA/wCzQ9mR7lhZkmw72BoHdbF qqGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530V++JZor+inLwULEh20y3WSrFj8xzn0KN+zaVYnP1xXPpkItxx Hrt5FBUbqi0QMl0ssxiHAmNAfqLnFUjwu+Nh X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJySirvZClxn775YQgMPmGlaK2aK5vvaDyfm25CZ4a+9+ERZeJUEUe9kQMCL1UV8urc9/VtIIQ== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:87cb:0:b029:215:3a85:95fb with SMTP id i11-20020aa787cb0000b02902153a8595fbmr6316235pfo.38.1616331861424; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antixbox (node-1w7jr9ydqpxqblsm62c2zjhms.ipv6.telus.net. [2001:56a:7862:e400:16da:e9ff:fe13:6b04]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d14sm10904534pji.22.2021.03.21.06.04.19 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:18 -0600 From: Duke Normandin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-Id: <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Hs32yhWz4s1w X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=tkq/s6S9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sidneyreilleyii@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sidneyreilleyii@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:24 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Fongaboo wrote: [snip] > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and > is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just > completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, > Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. > > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm > willing to share my walkthroughs. [snip] I don't have your level of experience, but I agree with you! I just installed the Debian-based distro antiX. Painless! There could be others of course, but I haven't stumbled on them yet. ;) Now, I need to shrink my 1Tb partition to install FreeBSD. -- Duke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:26:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793C0575A91 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3JLJ4Qx4z4tBG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LuKreme Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600 Message-Id: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18E5178a) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3JLJ4Qx4z4tBG X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:17 -0000 On Mar 20, 2021, at 11:24, Jerry wrote: > Can you provide verifiable proof of that statement relating to the know > defect in the USB controller? I read the big thread. There is a post there about the controller returning a= n out of bounds or invalid ID. That would be a problem, with the controller.= Dell is a company that largely deals with Windows. I=E2=80=99m sure Windows d= oes not care one whit about invalid USB controllers that maybe hijacking you= r hardware, and neither does Dell because 99% of their customers are using w= indows. But here=E2=80=99s the thing. YOU have a problem. You have been given two suggestions on how to mitigate y= our problem, and your response is =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t WANNA!=E2=80=9D W= hich is fine, but then you repeatedly complain about how your problems is no= t solved. It=E2=80=99s no ones job to solve your problem. This is not a comm= on problem. This is an edge case. Sucks, but that=E2=80=99s the way it is. If you want to use Linux, fine, this is NOT the place to ask for suggestions= on what Linux to switch to, because this is not a Linux list, and you askin= g that here comes across as you simply bring a shit-stirrer. If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure out= how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching OS i= s another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all surprised to fi= nd you have problems on current Linux. I would buy a USB3 card ($20?) with a different controller, put that in, and= disable the onboard USB-3, but that=E2=80=99s me. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:38:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2E8576431 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3JcQ2bKnz4tfQ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LuKreme Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:38:24 -0600 Message-Id: References: <7270A6A8-4514-4B61-80AD-7812CC0AEFD7@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <7270A6A8-4514-4B61-80AD-7812CC0AEFD7@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18E5178a) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3JcQ2bKnz4tfQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:31 -0000 On Mar 20, 2021, at 08:54, Valeri Galtsev wrote:= > In general, to suppress console messages on already installed system, you c= an add to /boot/loader.conf: >=20 > boot_mute=3D"YES" Oh good, I didn=E2=80=99t know this. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 14:42:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A08577DB1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2B3k5WzDsbk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616337746; bh=rvFYvFzFIlMbugVdSKMugrZNmvufL1xrRkzuXd2cIRY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=V0NQ3ZvsyyrK8S1dU7Z9MipxRpQ+aMbFfxtF4pj22Ao8wLbLsC27qte4K6EWJZNH+ +Wx4MTuzFQVvsejwC6gc1ZKXOBANagBva8MAQ5DEzA5X+dB0MKFLHIMhjRYyy8eeBv P2gf7Q2mtgwWZd3CyYSNLZ1Q7yitVDOpxBixiPZU= X-Riseup-User-ID: D657834EAFC5DD1399F4390FCB215B55CBD8681F75CCE2A9A94210EBEF4F9F95 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3L2B0c7Gz5wFZ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:42:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321154214.6912a5ac@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=V0NQ3Zvs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:18 -0600, Duke Normandin wrote: >On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) >Fongaboo wrote: > >[snip] > >> I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and >> is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just >> completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, >> Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. >> >> If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. >> I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. > >[snip] > >I don't have your level of experience, but I agree with you! I just >installed the Debian-based distro antiX. Painless! There could be >others of course, but I haven't stumbled on them yet. ;) > >Now, I need to shrink my 1Tb partition to install FreeBSD. JFTR for the pros and cons never consider a derivative of a major distro to be equivalent with the distro it is based upon. They are always two very different animals. The main pitfall of Linux is the missing standard. However, since almost all distros prefer the same approach for PID1, upstream of software provides what is needed for this approach and without doubts, upstream knows best how their software needs to be initialised by PID1, so distros tend to stop writing different run control scripts on their own. IOW by all the cons systemd does introduce, it also has got reasonable pros. Something that at first glance apparently is another step away from UNIX, from another point of view can bring back UNIX principles that were lost. It doesn't bring back UNIX to Linux, but gets back closer to the UNIX main idea. Be careful with thinking that something that appears to be more familiar is also closer to a wanted principle. I can't comment on antiX and I don't like systemd very much, but if Linux for what ever reason is a better choice for the needs of a user, it's wise to find out the rational behind steps into directions that appear unpleasant at first view and consider to get used to the supposed inconvenience. You are happy to install Linux without systemd, but you easily could become unhappy as soon as you want to get things done, that require some effort and help from a community or upstream. For Linux systemd is quasi a standard at the moment. It not necessarily does pay off to get rid of the disadvantages caused by systemd, since it might introduce other disadvantages by not using systemd. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 14:56:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEB75781E7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32b.google.com (mail-ot1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3LKr65cMz3F3r for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id w21-20020a9d63950000b02901ce7b8c45b4so13398644otk.5 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fgW+iNPdowy/fQH5LgFi12E3djSK5DlVqoGl5dZZ4bU=; b=GNgJYBkoBNwSIA5RMWDV2cyymtsU+6ytxy7xBUT4CUWm+3EaJ3YzZBZi6qOCNZku9o EAVINA8daaSCwS4sYhNg/6D14rhE/fA566ZEwGH5r7OlRGzUxLyxTjkNovi7Z97OXxIL D2bMO81sYfLUaxVEHkagWXtdwQbyUowsZCFPJMJS1AWXTQkOEPxrESYEx167R7MnaE7o C0/q9or7FKQftqaV0BOsDGcPgQxizKopw9W+IidPdKO0ag2kWKre3Py/x2UYUqFLaHQZ uHkWuN/tpzMqtRq58llo0QSGU4/SkOoAOQt03WmeOGg0O/kQaXj7CxR2zktVU5ZIO2D1 hWpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fgW+iNPdowy/fQH5LgFi12E3djSK5DlVqoGl5dZZ4bU=; b=ZX6F/zxOSuyRQ2eW6ffSg/kmTQyk7L+Bk9y6vAwgNJkP+mylV13BZ81WtZVGgXoTfZ 6qWIWEMwdQb3RMTHRHWaDfUpYZ+5qh80ex0fZX6mrKjWeZqC2fPC7Po3qz/O+QWkxvGq lCUAclzZXDUUHL6gGAXVOb/qQUq/YzUllGm2kr9WkYJ+K3D03LMMBb1EynYFnsQ9WCFn lULlwQX0WAdH20IijqjoXZYSfMTT6ESjdwf6QE0cJevKb+fokNUB0GrFx5XccZrSeq8c NePvii9F75Z36q56nMmMSezjlAbWCjuHXZxOunVBHK1Fd4RnonICKpalgUZ+CM+Vc2QY 12vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532aEQh/hLAOP7bwVDmc7lzewQp1K9k7mDnMfFWFuLaQO1NNiK65 5iqxz57gXFR2gqdbIqTn0fF3AKcBAGgw7iwDTr5ppS3u+dU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvVnBLHrCJn3HSHwOfNxHOC1YECr/QUKW2pUMptNdpcJISWh8+hoSndO2GUxwhFSu9I/j1oVu2+KpfnSZJflI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7453:: with SMTP id p19mr3508583otk.271.1616338559386; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new install To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3LKr65cMz3F3r X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GNgJYBko; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:01 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi! > > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few > questions, please: > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and > OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is > enabled. > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough > and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that > I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > secure boot should be disabled too? > > Thank you. > > > -- > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and= less > and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > Jean Baudrillard > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for FreeBSD. You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". That's about it. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:17:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3798C578B14 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Lp54BKKz3GLS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Lp35zt6zDsWp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616339820; bh=ph/uW4OzjlQxsp4GPiiSHh8gJvIKLhdU6pQCMMtmaaI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rdNLoCUgIn5GI2R7As2S1e/1HjukYpGI6vTTwaTPbBoT56lcVEuo9bltlvWomSYBb lBDjWwm6rUWtwvYIKnXF+xL6hAxFfbjXYoKQDkv5hSyW+mlj7KTw4ZAeSnsn7vkIhG hZMRx3sx539AlwhtVr0XTx0Bun4E7b8Q4JCFhfh0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 5A3F847906C3AE8B3705473F19E009F6778A0F14EEBD41F30BE80D615E92BA99 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Lp31JFdz1yBB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:16:57 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321161657.3393ceb6@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Lp54BKKz3GLS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=rdNLoCUg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:02 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600, LuKreme wrote: >If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure o= ut >how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching >OS is another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all >surprised to find you have problems on current Linux. Indeed! Since one of the domains that is important to me is pro-audio, I'm mainly an Apple and Linux user. FreeBSD is an alternative and maybe better in some domains, hence I take a look at FreeBSD from time to time, at the moment I'm just owning https://nomadbsd.org/ on an USB stick. I strongly recommend to go without USB3, if this should workaround the issue. In my experiences USB3 rarely gains much, if anything at all. Compiling a kernel is less effort than installing and getting used to another operating system. And as already mentioned, when migrating to another operating system, pleased habits easily could result in new issues. 1. If possible don't migrate to Linux. 2. If there should be the need to migrate to Linux, don't use an unusual Linux, just because it's closer to FreeBSD's init. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm1161768qth.66.2021.03.21.08.34.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3MB50hlvz20cY for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:34:03 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MB955qbz3GqC X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=dN+W5Pu8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:34:26 -0000 --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600, LuKreme stated: >On Mar 20, 2021, at 11:24, Jerry wrote: >> Can you provide verifiable proof of that statement relating to the >> know defect in the USB controller? =20 > >I read the big thread. There is a post there about the controller >returning an out of bounds or invalid ID. That would be a problem, >with the controller. > >Dell is a company that largely deals with Windows. I=E2=80=99m sure Windows >does not care one whit about invalid USB controllers that maybe >hijacking your hardware, and neither does Dell because 99% of their >customers are using windows. > >But here=E2=80=99s the thing. > >YOU have a problem. You have been given two suggestions on how to >mitigate your problem, and your response is =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t WANNA= !=E2=80=9D Which is >fine, but then you repeatedly complain about how your problems is not >solved. It=E2=80=99s no ones job to solve your problem. This is not a comm= on >problem. This is an edge case. Sucks, but that=E2=80=99s the way it is. > >If you want to use Linux, fine, this is NOT the place to ask for >suggestions on what Linux to switch to, because this is not a Linux >list, and you asking that here comes across as you simply bring a >shit-stirrer. > >If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure o= ut >how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching >OS is another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all >surprised to find you have problems on current Linux. > >I would buy a USB3 card ($20?) with a different controller, put that >in, and disable the onboard USB-3, but that=E2=80=99s me. I agree that replacing the controller might be an option. The BIOS gives me the option of disabling the front, rear or both sets of USB ports. The ones in front are all USB3 but there are two USB2 ports and four USB3 + one USB3-c port on the rear. And at least USB2 has to be active for mouse and keyboard. I have Googled extensively on this problem over the past year. All of the information that I have accumulated infers that FreeBSD has somewhat poor support for USB3. With that aside, I can find NO documentation that shows the controller has a bug. In fact, just the opposite. Everything I can find that relates to this problem says that FreeBSD is the one with the BUG. Remember, versions <=3D 11.x worked fine with this setup. Well, I never tested <=3D 9, so I cannot say for sure. They are long ago EOL'd anyway. Furthermore, I have requested from at least one user who stated that the card was the problem to send or direct me to some verifiable proof of that statement. If I had such documentation, I would attempt to shove it up Dell's ass. Replacing the controller is an option I suppose. It is rather ass backwards though. I have always believed in buying the product or products I want and then finding an OS or software that supports them. In addition, if you read the entire bug report you will immediately notice that it is not just a Dell problem. Read comments 7, 15 and 17 for starters. Better yet, read the entire PR -- 169 comments. Not a single one accuses the controller of being the problem. In fact, no one seems to know exactly what the problem is, except that it stated in versions =3D> 12.x. That, in itself, is mighty suspicious. What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not compatible with versions >=3D 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We have no idea what the problem is and we are not going to invest in the time to figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. Now that I could live with. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXZ3IACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXf1CAv/T4RwhuanyOiR9LuwRUZU5NiJ6oLoh6nfwFBf9FzMOXyJaIHy/3pIE8Wx tyJEV6/HrGXSOIsTDYPkPeqairEyEZiKJuqDSzc4g8/LoUDy1IxNfdcmsTiIB6qL UOd7PlJhW/bezBslPtGhB+nCM2DYKpu5SQTJp7mFxPQ0U848OQT7hy9mhIQ8iSmt firdwEWTwPi/JrtNeKILuhPusKSd6p7llnwV+Y6B+UDw8YxpfyrK/wIg/zLxTszW XkwZodxb1CGoheHfgtFPdqukNWfhup7GL4R+mzjaDMSWkMk3TIK7Ygav+4vb+xx/ xirSDCeD/Ixm+yLcgGISyDl22vc4PuefksEPYarNMd/2lZ5u/StZLySVCyhms8VO IWZSC3xFSTP7cmsYhgRpAXx+mAXtmhOfGv+9FtIsmhT1lQ3hyxHyoBIjQngGSVIz VpLV1uP4amb6PIeFSu7B3fGZLMTzen0IdYO51//bxQxhAOH/he1aAiwHAdL6/mTY ciNaocFI =WiZH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:36:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BB357930F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MDn0DmLz3Gwt for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9d06f1e3; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d0c20fe4; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1a46ab2b; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e592f078 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:32 +0000 From: LuMiWa To: Kevin Oberman Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: new install Message-ID: <20210321153632.6aa9a396@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MDn0DmLz3Gwt X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:42 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:43 -0700 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >=20 > > Hi! > > > > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few > > questions, please: > > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD > > and OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security > > boot is enabled. > > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than > > enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay > > that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > > secure boot should be disabled too? > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, a= nd > > less and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > > > Jean Baudrillard > > > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd > use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is > pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for > FreeBSD. >=20 > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you > wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of > them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or > something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in > your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. >=20 > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space > for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, > var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately > after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add > -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 > to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without > specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. > Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs > to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other > than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". > That's about it. -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 Thank you very much. And as I mention before the secure boot should be disabled? --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:37:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F037C57927A for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MFp0zZCz3HCH for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id 8so3855952ybc.13 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hBYniPeHoEKXBBY4DF7g57KzajQKmsrR9SuKKZG8pgQ=; b=BcIiEJkDTDz9dTskt9/vZvoxqxEg1ghkYfuh2RWeAhf/ErIQiN6XHgGMNqZJHj75FU UPr+8rLwLv1LZ0QyzsiBpGFxsd91qjEqhoyNlMP87VT9gqpqz9weZU09GvEjaljWqsey ShkbDtbypMN2dRmZH4ud1bZVSCxxh85smRBX7tv+Xm0M5rfrWxCoYoeLwnJ5P9Vh/OZ+ h348rqoa0pGfNqJdE7vcNMhZpQd5XkT2dsdPhoD/VmhiMvW3oH0nrezifAymP2Ekrc39 Vys4O/OsY6EUzh+U6YIG/mrbCs+uQN6Ics2gAqF8iK99zt+jbrsnepyTCikAKlzxjEQg +ALw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hBYniPeHoEKXBBY4DF7g57KzajQKmsrR9SuKKZG8pgQ=; b=GLZhMf6p96mtXvG4ZbwvvdplB9plV00GfOo7NJL9wqOSxHmlGPe4kIjmqx3P4XBNiP kzaiglSEt9SxKro9539aEveyoeJO31IJ3qxZJYYj6WbC4Lx2Hp67G8AC5gJcP7C10/xk v5xri0zzgYosUm880Bt/Xff2TI6vbSE0iEm9ORTx2SUAQA74s7heRrhtgULm97OQXiP4 +G5esWUCEyaxhulAj/BCqJGUPfWiHWuJ2TDfzi/dIhE4uuxHtrugUpBuIUsR/t0LkvQ5 z0rhpdrDnC/J3JxMWesf49nlvbeLv4JRTmA+pyuTTL2mBHAQS5Zqafb6J+/ZdI6Yu03l ymiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Yulh/coh8BwCptuTIFIq4yMNmLPoKarRR9vDfDzoYdJGeq8av fmz/zsF0HYWS5CFwl2+Il2c94uI73/318j1JrFzutP5uPJjclA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOSnRox7XKDKybzWyBRqC86s1Pgw75bI9EnxPt8ksFvrX3qioeKYCMcp5aiUibfIrPuoV/3Ca75SIQu+WBWZs= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d091:: with SMTP id h139mr18224147ybg.437.1616341053031; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MFp0zZCz3HCH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BcIiEJkD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0000 I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on this machine? Some things I have already tried/other notes: * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on newer drivers) * There is no on board video on the MB * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and vidcontrol(1) Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" kern.vty=vt nvidia-modeset_load="YES" linux_load="YES" fuse_load="YES" -- Aryeh M. 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Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new install To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MQb6TByz3HTW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pb6gvr/a; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.60)[0.602]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:45:12 -0000 I forgot to mention that you need to use efibootmgr(8) to set up the boot manager in the existing efi partition, I have no idea how to set up haiku, but you should use loader.efi as the boot code for FreeBSD. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:55 AM Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few >> questions, please: >> Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and >> OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is >> enabled. >> I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough >> and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. >> Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that >> I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And >> secure boot should be disabled too? >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> -- >> =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, an= d less >> and less meaning.=E2=80=9D >> >> Jean Baudrillard >> > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd use > gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is pretty > irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for FreeBSD. > > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you wan > Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of them), and > use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or something similar. > The label can be anything. If there are spaces in your chosen name, put t= he > name in quotation marks. > > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space for = a > single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, var, tmp, a= nd > any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately after the Haiku > partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add -i 3 -t freebsd-swap > -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 to N partitions of type > freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without specifying the size and all > remaining space will be allocated to it. Pick a reasonable label for each= . > That's it. Then you can use newfs to set up the UFS file structures on ea= ch > FreeBSD partition other than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to > label it "swap". 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For Haiku is 5 GB more than > > > enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > > > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay > > > that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > > > secure boot should be disabled too? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information,= and > > > less and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > Jean Baudrillard > > > > > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd > > use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is > > pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for > > FreeBSD. > > > > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you > > wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of > > them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or > > something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in > > your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. > > > > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space > > for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, > > var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately > > after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add > > -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 > > to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without > > specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. > > Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs > > to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other > > than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". > > That's about it. -- > > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > > Thank you very much. And as I mention before the secure boot should be > disabled? > > > -- > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and= less > and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > Jean Baudrillard > Yes, that is correct. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:47:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2F57995E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MT719FGz3Jcp for ; 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Something like this: > > FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not compatible > with versions >= 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We have no idea > what the problem is and we are not going to invest in the time to > figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. > Why should they?!?!? The reasons for "why should they" are: 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU -- Aryeh M. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm7308756qtj.16.2021.03.21.09.06.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3MvZ2yJZz20d6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:33 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Mvd23z3z3KbG X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=WdsRwP4Q; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:06:54 -0000 --Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:47:11 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:34 AM Jerry wrote: > >> What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a >> warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: >> >> FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not >> compatible with versions >=3D 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We >> have no idea what the problem is and we are not going to invest in >> the time to figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. >> =20 > >Why should they?!?!? > >The reasons for "why should they" are: >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that >one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are >replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by >you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to >actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two >options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you >switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you >refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong >forum to do it in -- in short STFU) > >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run >into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the >few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment to be absurd. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:14:21 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jerry wrote: > >Why should they?!?!? > > > >The reasons for "why should they" are: > >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that > >one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are > >replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by > >you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to > >actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two > >options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you > >switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you > >refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong > >forum to do it in -- in short STFU) > > > >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and > >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed > >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any > >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go > >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run > >into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the > >few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU > > I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% > companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a > impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every > possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment to be > absurd. All they really need to do is compile a list of known units with > incompatibility issues, post them and then keep them updated. > Again why should they if the issue is an open and actively being investigated bug report. The purpose of such a list is for things the have decided not to support and any device that claims support for function X but does not quite meet the standard (as implemented in the kernel) is then by definition a bug that needs to be looked into. The bug you are complaining about *IS* being actively looked into and thus does not belong on the "we don't support list". So once again you are wasting your time and everyone else's time by barking up a tree that doesn't exist (and should not exist). So either switch to another OS or help solve the issue your complaining about. Neither option is really the territory of -questions@ so once again STFU. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:20:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2037557AC38 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NBn1QKBz3LgS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NBl2z29zDsFR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616343599; bh=9HaXBMiUKfqMn5g+pg0X72Nh5VXracXDvHfIfSTIqhs=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Ygm/u6yMNlFAzBfyl6LAiAI9ZgTPRfUryWHMHnU4+TVbBiyN8HPPB35k9XqI83fRU HuVxQyMAKHhqsI/v689oIrRgmVrip7W+BjYgPultzESRWUC1lOglStSWQNnHxz1pe/ HXhQE3zCJTkKyAjo+jAZZzPbub++f0wE4XnGGfGY= X-Riseup-User-ID: 505158710853FCBCC08BAAF526385B3DF6C2D3539F9543CFB8DA27A37138ACBF Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3NBk5ppRz5vb1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:19:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NBn1QKBz3LgS X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=Ygm/u6yM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:02 -0000 On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 11:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The reasons for "why should they" are: > 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that one > can find out there and most of them are like the person you are replying to > edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't find > anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the work > to test any fixes on... Let's call this the "big reason why" and assume no undertone, just good faith. > so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining > and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop > publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you > switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) Is this still a required explanation? > 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and > working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed > components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any problems > are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this route then > you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some assembly > required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can help > fix it... yet you refuse to... Hard to ignore the undertone here ;). White and black lists are imperfect, so be careful! However "likely you are one" + "yet you refuse to" is an accusation. > again STFU Pff! Somebody who is frustrated kicks partly over the traces and you guess that it helps anybody in the universe to be spiteful? It might not be an excuse, but at least it's a good explanation why the OP kicks over the traces, since the OP is frustrated that something doesn't work. There's neither an excuse, nor an explanation why you are doing the same. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:28:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93457B2A2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.150.26.86] (unknown [10.150.26.86]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C69E74E663; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> To: Ralf Mardorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 -0000 > On Mar 21, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except = the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only = one tired of this thread ;-( But thanks for bringing some sanity to = insane exchange. Valeri > On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 11:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> The reasons for "why should they" are: >> 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware = that one >> can find out there and most of them are like the person you are = replying to >> edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't = find >> anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the = work >> to test any fixes on... >=20 > Let's call this the "big reason why" and assume no undertone, just = good > faith. >=20 >> so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining >> and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop >> publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and = if you >> switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) >=20 > Is this still a required explanation? >=20 >> 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >> working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >> components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any = problems >> are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this = route then >> you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some = assembly >> required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can = help >> fix it... yet you refuse to... >=20 > Hard to ignore the undertone here ;). White and black lists are > imperfect, so be careful! However "likely you are one" + "yet you = refuse > to" is an accusation. >=20 >> again STFU >=20 > Pff! >=20 > Somebody who is frustrated kicks partly over the traces and you guess > that it helps anybody in the universe to be spiteful? >=20 > It might not be an excuse, but at least it's a good explanation why = the > OP kicks over the traces, since the OP is frustrated that something > doesn't work. >=20 > There's neither an excuse, nor an explanation why you are doing the > same. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:44:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A90757BAA6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Nkz6vCjz3NYT for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Nky2LzlzDv27 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616345066; bh=aWezdLSLjUz4wvUlpqS5L4I+g6b1EBoEcB+V4bzp92c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KqS/JA1tPppNxZH1ukxeZFrJvrNpYtyIccVbsUA6oaVBfatEKtUUyppGijrA+ly2q q9AuF7svp+m+kLZPPDPA0hbqdVci0zTef7AizCBdLLUmNWzsWjNznCgr7I1kXnl1j4 aoBg8H5OdpPwx35YH1E83VD7i4Yc93V+VyYejmJc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 129495AC9594DB878AC9709055E4211A463F2643324DD7BB0885C6908C65CC3C Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Nkx4tLPz1xmR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:44:24 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321174424.599bebd9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Nkz6vCjz3NYT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KqS/JA1t; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Mar 21, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:=20 >Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except >the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding >troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one tired of this thread ;-( But >thanks for bringing some sanity to insane exchange. Much likely manipulative, unlikely a compliment, more likely a https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dwink+mit+dem+zaunpfahl (a wave with a fencing post) . Valeri, I hear what you're saying. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:49:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C79057BD95 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NrH16x4z3NJR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NrH16x4z3NJR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:04 -0000 On 21 Mar 2021, at 09:34, Jerry wrote: > The BIOS gives me the option of disabling the front, rear or both sets = of USB ports. The ones in front are all USB3 but there are two USB2 = ports and four USB3 + one USB3-c port on the rear. And at least USB2 has = to be active for mouse and keyboard. I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; modern = Intel machines do not, and from the number I would assume your model is = newer than mine, though one can never be sure. That said, the inability to disable the USB-3 controller is most = certainly a DELL issue, and if they lump the USB-2 and USB-3 into one = setting based on LOCATION that is supremely stupid. It would not = surprise me, but it is still stupid. I have an older Dell XPS (not for FreeBSD, it is a Wintendo) and I can = check its UEFI if it seems useful, but I am pretty sure I could disable = the USB-3 specifically without rendering ti unable to use a keyboard and = mouse. --=20 Suddenly the animals look shiny and new From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:00:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976B157C548 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3P5v6VGgz3PPY for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pkg- searching by (partial) origin|category for installed packages/ports From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:00:50 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3P5v6VGgz3PPY X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:52 -0000 On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:50, parv/freebsd = wrote: > How does one search for a installed port or package by (partial) > origin/category? Failed attempts ... I found searching ports very frustrating, so years ago I came up with = this, which is not how anyone suggested I do this, instead suggesting a = myriad of make and pig commands all of which did slightly different = things and none what I wanted. # cat /usr/local/bin/pfind #!/usr/local/bin/bash TERM=3D$@ find /usr/ports -mindepth 2 -maxdepth 2 -iname "*${TERM}*" | grep -v = distfiles # pfind x11 | grep wm /usr/ports/graphics/libwmf-nox11 # pfind wm | grep x11 /usr/ports/graphics/libwmf-nox11 /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmtime /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmbday /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmbinclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmblueclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmcalclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmfishtime /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmtimer /usr/ports/x11-themes/fvwm-themes /usr/ports/x11-themes/icewm-extra-themes /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtksourceviewmm3 /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/wmapp /usr/ports/x11-wm/spectrwm /usr/ports/x11-wm/amiwm /usr/ports/x11-wm/antiwm . . . . . . Etc Works for me. YMMV. --=20 Y is for YORRICK whose head was knocked in Z is for ZILLAH who drank too much gin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:17:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422257CCCB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3PTf33y9z3QK6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3PTd1cQyzDqBM for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616347077; bh=rrb/L8PsRo+MYyX38MTZE9+VExOno1jOeZWr4UGDzXA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=S660fhXvlT6YsI9xNQXtTf+RVJQ3i2oOxc1qlKyDnES9lu2WJJ7XJHfVX2kHXJQoy w0CZT2sLTtw0ZmJ/ylK24YBZ91mrnGdvZGkhWydnhFVK3AQh/dgSN87hRCAVzDRvXw 3VcxInEEdm5ZgeipbyeumftJclOTyf5+ssUFe1ag= X-Riseup-User-ID: 80C8457029F08C21BB09DB88B2B60A828913734902C5A7D9B522C2A7D1147134 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3PTc44K8z5wWc for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:17:55 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3PTf33y9z3QK6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=S660fhXv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:59 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; >modern Intel machines do not To me "BIOS" nowadays is a word for what ever thingy shows up after pushing the Del key or what ever key else, after turning on the computer, to get into the thingy. To show a green screen, I used this picture, I made this year in my flat [1]. In the shelf there's a book "PC INTERN 2.0" from Data Becker. Once upon a time, I've written software calling BIOS routs, something reasonable this time :D. [1] https://i.imgur.com/lAehEAZ.jpg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:29:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C9D57D039 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Pkh66Znz3R3v for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id j2so4078741ybj.8 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q2VjOB2hJSX6P4IEd+zFweksmY1hh9TJjNguZaocR/s=; b=DCbvikBhJpBRByoJ4WviF32Bn2RErVvjB3BcrOW52H3ICZpWKZyoArMBP/B+Fwx4vb pyXgqkGN+R2LZqnSV57eodDfbvC2jRgM0oRdFJRKqu2Y18n/zKVTI0nCBR7ffcyNtyZi thd8ngHO9TUQj5yiCA4oEIQVr+IYJgLq+0NDa+rKfkn3/WLR5O9546MK2mXO8AgKbpBl y/X4dMfBAJ3A5U6RN3HkkoLBI/tasj5X/U3PLsgoVFw+Iubl6gT1yN1CjBlt9J3YYKMl kEfHOiAmEq5FUA8GYfdLLo8pytrRflzPib/U08m5UZjgUU4kKX4C8onNy1+e6+Tx3Vh8 f2hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=q2VjOB2hJSX6P4IEd+zFweksmY1hh9TJjNguZaocR/s=; b=oCQmYq8U5O3x4zAn67nJ7s9DLn89F8pprMdwB1OYE2R4lTIcgogFA3e4i4QfTn4ibE wS0ic5tBpv2hpY904xHKbXp6h4I/Hus0GEjETvZPwP3kIChvmQJSKdC1soUBGeevxfeq 0Us16T0fhdnMBhMKqFoGEbkNHAFgKznREqW6ffU7/0iyPUJkHOFH6aBCSEWpxyutXTYs tquYF3RXfw39bwvNZPFbe0qt7fVctgTCcJdlV+uzsLHiqSXZX8MQECPmRopF7l03OPfM EmtiZGbg6ld+yxlEiUN2pMHGCWQqP+iydKWhR7jDmTBbpt9oDlk5yzrTBfT9lLQ1pKGN HhLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530fISIsP0KkkX9GwUuORuz2CN56cAG7VqmSjqequU0kmJxOmqpT hu2U8mQyNi4xc0v2K6soUyXmI/dPXdFjQXaNt4QNVcdZmIECxw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJydIUJGdG+AVukQINE+Fd1UeeDLtv3YyvhzUxlpTD4toIY/D+iFv6/iAGRUSMKrCuDfTCai8ATfItA2cWXGtpY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:e4c4:: with SMTP id b187mr20116112ybh.92.1616347755499; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device To: Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Pkh66Znz3R3v X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DCbvikBh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:17 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:14 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine > > doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on this machine? > > > > Some things I have already tried/other notes: > > > > * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on > > newer drivers) > > * There is no on board video on the MB > > * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and > > vidcontrol(1) > > > > Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: > > > > kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" > > kern.vty=vt > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > linux_load="YES" > > fuse_load="YES" > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Can you post output from dmesg and pciconf -lv? > Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 r369222 GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 10.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git llvmorg-10.0.1-0-gef32c611aa2) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor (3400.09-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x800f82 Family=0x17 Model=0x8 Stepping=2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x7ed8320b AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x35c233ff Structured Extended Features=0x209c01a9 XSAVE Features=0xf AMD Extended Feature Extensions ID EBX=0x1007 SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=32768 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 25769803776 (24576 MB) avail memory = 24932970496 (23777 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 12 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 cache groups x 3 core(s) x 2 hardware threads random: unblocking device. ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-55 on motherboard Launching APs: 10 4 5 1 2 6 3 9 7 11 8 Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1700042925 Hz quality 1000 random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 000.000023 [4336] netmap_init netmap: loaded module [ath_hal] loaded module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff81114e40, 0) error 19 random: registering fast source Intel Secure Key RNG random: fast provider: "Intel Secure Key RNG" nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 390.141 Mon Dec 28 16:15:27 UTC 2020 nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 1.3 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 xhci0: mem 0xf73a0000-0xf73a7fff irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci1 xhci0: 32 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA xhci0: Unable to map MSI-X table usbus0 on xhci0 usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 ahci0: mem 0xf7380000-0xf739ffff irq 33 at device 0.1 on pci1 ahci0: AHCI v1.31 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 pcib2: irq 34 at device 0.2 on pci1 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: irq 33 at device 1.0 on pci2 pci4: on pcib4 re0: port 0xf000-0xf0ff mem 0xf7204000-0xf7204fff,0xf7200000-0xf7203fff irq 33 at device 0.0 on pci4 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: Chip rev. 0x54000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00100000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 00:d8:61:78:d4:9c re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 pcib5: irq 32 at device 4.0 on pci2 pci5: on pcib5 vgapci0: port 0xe000-0xe07f mem 0xf6000000-0xf6ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0000000-0xf1ffffff irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci5 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xf7080000-0xf7083fff irq 33 at device 0.1 on pci5 pcib6: at device 7.1 on pci0 pci6: on pcib6 pci6: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) pci6: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) xhci1: mem 0xf7500000-0xf75fffff irq 37 at device 0.3 on pci6 xhci1: 64 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA xhci1: Unable to map MSI-X table usbus1 on xhci1 usbus1: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 pcib7: at device 8.1 on pci0 pci7: on pcib7 pci7: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) ahci1: mem 0xf7808000-0xf7808fff irq 42 at device 0.2 on pci7 ahci1: AHCI v1.31 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported with FBS ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 hdac1: mem 0xf7800000-0xf7807fff irq 43 at device 0.3 on pci7 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 uart2: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedc9000-0xfedc9fff,0xfedc7000-0xfedc7fff irq 3 on acpi0 uart3: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedca000-0xfedcafff,0xfedc8000-0xfedc8fff irq 4 on acpi0 uart4: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedce000-0xfedcefff,0xfedcc000-0xfedccfff irq 3 on acpi0 uart5: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedcf000-0xfedcffff,0xfedcd000-0xfedcdfff irq 4 on acpi0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbdc0: non-PNP ISA device will be removed from GENERIC in FreeBSD 12. hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm2: at nid 20,22,21,23 and 24,26 on hdaa1 pcm3: at nid 27 and 25 on hdaa1 ugen1.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus1 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada1s1a [rw]... ugen0.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0 Root mount waiting for: usbus0 CAM usbus1 ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 20070110240883 ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) uhub0: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus1 uhub1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number 19070910240135 ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) uhub0: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered uhub1: 22 ports with 22 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.2: at usbus0 uhub2 on uhub1 uhub2: on usbus0 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.3: at usbus0 ukbd0 on uhub2 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.4: at usbus0 mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada1s1a... intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 smbus0: on intsmb0 lo0: link state changed to UP re0: link state changed to DOWN uhid0 on uhub2 uhid0: on usbus0 ums0 on uhub2 ums0: on usbus0 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 re0: link state changed to UP AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: on acpi0 ivhd0: Flag:b0 ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = 0x2 GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 DualPortLogSup = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup = 0x3 MarcSup = 0x1 ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 bridge0: Ethernet address: 02:06:fa:65:3d:00 re0: promiscuous mode enabled bridge0: link state changed to UP ================ CUT HERE =========== hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14501022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Root Complex' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=0x080600 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14511022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) I/O Memory Management Unit' class = base peripheral subclass = IOMMU hostb1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:0:1:3: class=0x060400 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14531022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb5@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib6@pci0:0:7:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI hostb6@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib7@pci0:0:8:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI intsmb0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790b1022 rev=0x59 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790e1022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH LPC Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA hostb7@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14601022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 0' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb8@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14611022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 1' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb9@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14621022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 2' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb10@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14631022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 3' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb11@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14641022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 4' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb12@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14651022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 5' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb13@pci0:0:24:6: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14661022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 6' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb14@pci0:0:24:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14671022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 7' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x11421b21 chip=0x43d51022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ahci0@pci0:3:0:1: class=0x010601 card=0x10621b21 chip=0x43c81022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = SATA pcib2@pci0:3:0:2: class=0x060400 card=0x02011b21 chip=0x43c61022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:32:0:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:32:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib5@pci0:32:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI re0@pci0:34:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x816810ec rev=0x15 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' device = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet vgapci0@pci0:37:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x1d0110de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GP108 [GeForce GT 1030]' class = display subclass = VGA hdac0@pci0:37:0:1: class=0x040300 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x0fb810de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GP108 High Definition Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA none1@pci0:38:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145a1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin/Raven/Raven2 PCIe Dummy Function' class = non-essential instrumentation none2@pci0:38:0:2: class=0x108000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14561022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Platform Security Processor' class = encrypt/decrypt xhci1@pci0:38:0:3: class=0x0c0330 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145f1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin USB 3.0 Host controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none3@pci0:39:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14551022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin/Renoir PCIe Dummy Function' class = non-essential instrumentation ahci1@pci0:39:0:2: class=0x010601 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x79011022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' class = mass storage subclass = SATA hdac1@pci0:39:0:3: class=0x040300 card=0xec021462 chip=0x14571022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) HD Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA > > What model of Nvidia card? (dmesg/pciconf may not show that) > GT1030 > Not sure the above will help, but it >might<. > > WRT "resolution": X, and/or the text font/size on the login console? > > -- > Karl L. Dunn > kldunn@hiwaay.net > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:29:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B885857D3A4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:29:31 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 -0000 > On 21 Mar 2021, at 11:17, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; >> modern Intel machines do not >=20 > To me "BIOS" nowadays is a word for what ever thingy shows up after > pushing the Del key or what ever key else, after turning on the > computer, to get into the thingy. That's fine if you are only talking to people who share your same idea, = but UEFI is not BIOS in very important ways, so calling it BIOS will = lead to confusion, and it can make trouble-shooting far more difficult = if you are trying to tell someone what to do in BIOS which may simply = not be possible in UEFI, or vice versa. --=20 I think we need to send some time apart so we know what's real and = what's fox. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d12sm7592735qth.11.2021.03.21.11.13.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Qjx6DHbz20g7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Qk10vGdz3l1p X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=iduW58WQ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::734 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.29 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.112]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:13:46 -0000 --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500, Valeri Galtsev stated: >Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except >the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding >troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one tired of this thread ;-( But >thanks for bringing some sanity to insane exchange. First, I cannot get the OS installed. Even if I could, you suggest, while probably good in the short haul, is not a good or viable solution. It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire alarm. The problem still exists and sooner or later it will blow up in your face. It is false security. I would do it, assuming I could get the system to install and otherwise work correctly, if I knew it was only gong to be a short term solution. I am in the process of getting some coders who actually know what they are doing to look into the matter. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXjM4ACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXe7cgwAky7wrETxTnBKIO8xbCjeSJAa1wvJZgWQ9Ef8uhDcRmJm/bRn3LeC9Q9w ZAtSBwkPZvjcwYdYVVxgeZGqtjlLpsXRIt8xDMooMbzxBPpuk3JPvxu+B0sMCd04 R453lG1mHYbMps8hrvB0aFEwKG4GWXk979E8o0YLSDq4XcDLdxjMiKKcmNtn00rl BefBcAbXxurs2KHgJQx7111oJXYXeuDNr7fSlsYuhaNMN90Frw0EJ1dab/HwxYWK KtHQn9zlKmN+NObAjHo/Nhddid9WtxWV2dY39Bqa44yHw/LUfO3qHl9+g/ltoPr7 bOhb4by2a9nak9ZG+mlaaj5WagCxpCzjOeJke+CoMp5n9TmL8zhbCKBvV2GyRThM a9HlzS3sCHgwjQWkL6rlLIGXKCwfUDWwrLuxSii5a14Nc3tLsDMuLTcNzSMdJDZo OuW+I/edVAlLo6iynqsD3SamYlMdph47doZlDm91hezWJF+NgG7S7WKO7FS+3hMH stILBHzt =cfZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 18:26:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E799057F4E4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3R0N0JfQz3lmD for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id j7so10791533qtx.5 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=3hRxqOUn9jl9hRxeLMW8/OetQg1noVMoVn/OHNVpSyk=; b=VRbvQ66uvmT+SKLzYz9dAwmwcoP8uN1kh1OEtTXxnyMY6C2weJGK9Fov6GVucwho4k Cjtk2nBWWbGWU/CCCw3EhTeTDhPFWxER2/+tUoUdihCnr9M2qYqPnPERKSLVkDi9O1iA i9wjEVHPLFC8kvZg23wazbaT6kNRb5kxUiYBw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=3hRxqOUn9jl9hRxeLMW8/OetQg1noVMoVn/OHNVpSyk=; b=H+uqtiHQ+en68atKj3iiQ4EK3sWCWnJEqEh9nsNWJhC0ziCyxUo3FkiRAtSxNz1F0d m8UGusuopzYiF4ltdN0D+WBzKs3FCcpVNIf4RTlNunr+k5eNGALgJHt5r1H3ygtlpyfw 91S+Vp2b/4oSA4YytAM2Q/z8XNRIk72dl+QmqZ28Ku1bD8k6XbrT3sh9rWaNJ7XsaM63 B3v5bsYF5E8Zc4I2hseMIO3Z23FrclUOeZ3KhXU/I+tywAZeP/a09rvK5/9hPx5DO6+m Or57dHbpjUIvBbIWy3R/kWxH3CW/V+W9oHV1vPIVlZB/UoNLCeRleukzsgWAEfjdIf1Q IIKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wNHsuwQlygdTTkcepuDAxjP4iAknl2WWuAC4JSLZNg8BZiN3k BW/bN1NHUNio7u1x8lMaZPtjNM+UkzoO4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzTrU4pUus2kB6vKHnIbzkZu2oV2j+v5hSIjC8VJCGXQN0ic+kyiIrD88Acj/VvrM+uGYAw9w== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1009:: with SMTP id z9mr6830269qti.128.1616351170680; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-231-236.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm9408561qko.29.2021.03.21.11.26.09 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3R0J3ZnZz20gS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:25:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/0.1dktuT9X8j0UD+/j+eObY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3R0N0JfQz3lmD X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=VRbvQ66u; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::831 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.07 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.67)[0.666]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:13 -0000 --Sig_/0.1dktuT9X8j0UD+/j+eObY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:14:07 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jerry wrote: > >> >Why should they?!?!? >> > >> >The reasons for "why should they" are: >> >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware >> >that one can find out there and most of them are like the person >> >you are replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as >> >witnessed by you can't find anyone with a close enough system that >> >is willing to actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this >> >leaves two options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix >> >the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining >> >about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you switch >> >OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) >> > >> >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >> >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >> >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any >> >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go >> >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you >> >run into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one >> >the few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again >> >STFU =20 >> >> I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% >> companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a >> impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every >> possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment >> to be absurd. All they really need to do is compile a list of known >> units with incompatibility issues, post them and then keep them >> updated.=20 > >Again why should they if the issue is an open and actively being >investigated bug report. The purpose of such a list is for things the >have decided not to support and any device that claims support for >function X but does not quite meet the standard (as implemented in the >kernel) is then by definition a bug that needs to be looked into. >The bug you are complaining about *IS* being actively looked into and >thus does not belong on the "we don't support list". > >So once again you are wasting your time and everyone else's time by >barking up a tree that doesn't exist (and should not exist). So >either switch to another OS or help solve the issue your complaining >about. Neither option is really the territory of -questions@ so once >again STFU. You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >=3D 11.x, but apparently does function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not supported. I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. 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How can I get the same resolution on >this machine? I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:50:24 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > >I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my > >machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on > >this machine? > > > I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? > > Either: > > 1) Rewrite the code > > 2) Buy better equipment > > 3) STFU > And you call me a troll ;-).... if you read the question it is not a bug just a question about how to do something (if it turns out that there is some way to improve the support for something like this I will likely do item 1) also unlike you I actually did some homework before complaining and actually tried to correct the issue before asking about it.... where is you complain endless about the same topic/issue and refuse to lift a finger to do anything to help the situation except make a huge stink -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:03:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8825A81E9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqP3nVCzDv3Q for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616353409; bh=843HZxL7PbEyLCpzlsr8KRlJcXxAN42bjERCKVc7ocI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KBX5V0AWTp/d3vKg3cl7FFko/WrrraUU4DVobbAX3AcrWxeNOXuxm5yQqj6yTNuQD jHxD78vREkRHIlu8eS4B9rJk1RVqjdSiehRMfU/cxMgPH6/0+aVAkfb2AgKrztrvdK qUcys8pki0jvQM5DFuy4fFV7KsWBEIrZEddM0r/s= X-Riseup-User-ID: BE7760F5FB9F9E08ADCFC0C0F4A1A421A92FBF41C1AAA2633F483CA44841EB25 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3RqN6gPHz1yBB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:03:28 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KBX5V0AW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: >It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire >alarm. Analogies are clumsy. You are right that a workaround isn't an optimal solution, it's just a limited path to get things done, but OTOH it probably is a help to continue using your machine, without the need of any additional struggle. Since Intel doesn't support almost all GPUs for Linux usage anymore and the only workarounds are using mainline Linux kernels by dropping the "intel" driver in favour of the "modesetting" driver, just to run into other issue, or to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, I decided to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, as long as possible. >sooner or later it will blow up in your face. Maybe, OTOH the situation might change. I might need to buy new hardware anyway, Intel and/or the Linux community might support my GPU again or I even don't want to use Linux at all, even if it should work without issues on my machine. IIUC you need USB ports for 2 input devices at this very moment and if you disable USB3, you still would get the needed USB ports. This is a starting point, since IIUC it's possible to install a new release of FreeBSD by turning of the fire siren and to build your individual configured kernel, by abandoning something that isn't a must-have at this very moment. The fire won't kill you or even take away something you currently need. If you should need an additional USB port, a workaround such as using an USB hub likely does the job, at least as a temporarily solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:04:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A5F5A8728 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id z1so4244720ybf.6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=kDzrpFBuuQBn2xhoXa0/qF7bWiOZfokvMY/Ih1eyf9lEUkHqmQemjQ6kwEuALy/AhB yskaVOgQGMTKesGbMvBpaeqxPtxEQxFxIKfWmVzJ+7WmvCCwLLhtbY1tmyway9fuI2KQ NKW3radR/M499+OrLVVrmFKMX2skzVGdrUazucEU9Lozxj+IWQHoLLH7evseU0teKJu+ 035c6CHYprrJeYvSr/XR1k0szL6mn95V/yrc/DJCmK0Iv2ALtKu8RTQFKrBwOVLp37yF fS+Z9rvwKJoun1huedLilFIl7V+Jf7zNRTZiiEIwZPOVEqIo3vRYWDuvZSXzrxatOrWy h55w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=iJ4NzBBjqccJ+aTIx0sJ+Ps81+wulq17schXBZnwnhCG7B+HypPSJxdgtBTfxGfo5Y SHKT1AqjpUBez//NTsw+bDTWLdElacOw+pHAHENO4JWXZEWmvMEafSTTkzl7VuEuOsHE fI2e6pidS0/CnhgByb7N0gyiNdK8XIGbQrELeNOQQqGWoyjFPQSby/NfG4/yjIryFZzx yMqltABeHvkEa9wsVeAgr7wFsuZZFmRVhUr81a/HkbOmXWqu4PSlwYHK8lZGNLoLO52b sRBprHt5NOldEiu2n3rxCsgVuAZF8k+l+dZjIjTRLeQcSLHtJW0R1nMFMNhO/Ae4CT5T gv6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Wm12Ga5+qSZo0VxRTKz3BOn5iHo+XJ/DR2Tjv+kz/pIS/I+7h hqhrBYWtLGqxQBSnPqPZe67tqd5nsfvJve+XTWgK+5XOSkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFOaXdgT1ThzB+LXzqZOghbWxnEyqKx/VDP6PyfMbwwymfqRdOHq1XLGD0C5wq+Zr03EIgIBu/TTBy/lYHq24= X-Received: by 2002:a25:40d8:: with SMTP id n207mr19479635yba.3.1616353467060; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kDzrpFBu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jerry wrote: > You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in > question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not > function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >= 11.x, but apparently does > function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not supported. > As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets from guns don't kill people. > I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this > phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago > would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. The > fact that it did work once under older versions reinforces my belief > that someone screwed up the code in the newer versions. > HPS offering to look into it in detail 18 days ago with a bunch of other work done on it late last month means it is being actively worked on. HPS even asked for SSH access to the machine which is quite doable of a live CD/memstick which in itself does not require an install.... so the bottom line is you have been given many many opportunities to help out and you refuse to do any of them... the only thing you do is sit here and whine about how no one is fixing it -- how are they supposed to fix it if you refuse to at least help there testing? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:16:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9165A8B42 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3S6r3G91z3pZp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3S6q2Nk4zgwV for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1616354211; bh=2xKdvn2P+A47XmUyNNoxsOtwzCNNMFrxKdXFisWRNPc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Q0eksIRlxZk91ms9D2ZOIeoYLn6T2YZBD/DhnNG64nDbVtfFZEem6wgJGfrOvEElM LbrcAludwgFcf8/1lZYgh2mn2Zkzz8GoQnAE6tS0KbUPNtxK5+5Yr2sok752DH/pq9 nzd+b9yepfFKLRgyRCUj0yl92GSVOMkpM+fycFQE= Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:16:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3S6r3G91z3pZp X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=Q0eksIRl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:53 -0000 On 2021/03/21 14:25, Jerry wrote: > [irritation] Jerry, 35 years of unhappy experience has shown us that the only effective way to deal with Internet flamers is to ignore them. Don't even read their messages, and, ideally, make your reader software not even show you messages from them. Usenet readers added that automatic filtering long ago, for that reason. Some mail readers can also do something like that. I suggest that you ignore Mr. Friedman. You might also moderate your tone slightly, in one way: be less absolutist. You say FreeBSD is wrong and all other OSes are right. I get the impression that it's more like this: there's an obscure hardware error, and some OSes either don't trigger it or work around it, but FreeBSD currently has a problem with it. But nobody knows for sure. Now that somebody has volunteered to debug this, maybe it will get somewhere. 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For all geeks, excepted of you, it's a joke. It's a basic requirement for every FreeBSD and Linux power user to understand the messages of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and "2001: A Space Odyssey". If you don't understand those Holy Artworks you don't belong to this mailing list. Period! 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm7549590qtj.16.2021.03.21.12.30.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3SQK5PmQz20hW for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:30:04 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device Message-ID: <20210321153004.00001c07@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321143434.00004837@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3SQN2lP2z3qtM X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=QyOR4Qh6; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:30:21 -0000 --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:50:11 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Jerry wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: =20 >> >I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my >> >machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on >> >this machine? =20 >> >> >> I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? >> >> Either: >> >> 1) Rewrite the code >> >> 2) Buy better equipment >> >> 3) STFU >> =20 > >And you call me a troll ;-).... if you read the question it is not a >bug just a question about how to do something (if it turns out that >there is some way to improve the support for something like this I >will likely do item 1) also unlike you I actually did some homework >before complaining and actually tried to correct the issue before >asking about it.... where is you complain endless about the same >topic/issue and refuse to lift a finger to do anything to help the >situation except make a huge stink I need to amend my previous assessment of you. Not only are you an asshole, but you are also a hypocrite. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXnsEACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXd0Ngv/b1JXMAyKvVq5gaWy51rxt6WFIJcaA32xEVqrz5nkiMl1aYc5VnJpV3E5 RtZu8rfkoDO1hpnHmExRu36qqWFOqpu3S7WFK5oMkbTFHqw1SVnya61flRgndnPA qgPkKDT0qoUjBgUVAr4rn7mD142uCbYGgO6X9NfCp3FH2lW6e9ijoBw7MpQiMNhA J4QfAzEXhaYa0UsAFkjg0181todN22NZS14F0CUqbUqMDHFFeBb4eXEhWyQkr77i w2htddxYwTP+FM9vtnOb0vZch1OHy7xayMy5rVpCeX+hLKftBgplHQRt8KRDIgPJ zfc340x3KflmvGGq3h+/zVLutIDMzGtk3RgGd/4eEGQ8ifBiLot9gKsFW3BME8me ALCqTiTBc2hUYNWLEoRsWat/n+B+5OdfmLTmEj6gIyRrkBGq4fdhPKZ0QO2CSVAg WhnX6uM10+9AEckIwLuyrvPpV52eif9O3/U4EBSFtMwybItVTE4rBERxELz+iM2l QqTQIGNA =oda6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:38:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D285A9A1B for ; 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Not only are you an > asshole, but you are also a hypocrite. > Well if that is/was true I am great company since you are doing the very thing you (falsely for reasons explained before) accuse me of doing. As with most such people you are very free to say it about other people (even when it is not true) but refuse to see it in yourself. -- Aryeh M. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v4sm7761740qte.18.2021.03.21.12.49.45 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Srn1HzHz20hk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:49:31 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321154931.00007b79@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/QV/c1Pljg+KPdEX87tJQbal"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Srq6l8bz3rcC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Wf8iYW7j; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::735 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.39 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.990]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:49:49 -0000 --Sig_/QV/c1Pljg+KPdEX87tJQbal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:04:16 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jerry wrote: > >> You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in >> question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not >> function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >=3D 11.x, but apparently >> does function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not >> supported.=20 > >As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because >other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is >implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given >hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being >less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard >thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing >things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the >fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets >from guns don't kill people. Again, and without proof, you are placing the blame on something other than FreeBSD. For the record, you are claiming that EVERY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM IS BEING LAZY ABOUT HOW STANDARDS, (I love standards, there are so many to choose from) ARE IMPLEMENTED. Is that correct? >> I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this >> phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago >> would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. The >> fact that it did work once under older versions reinforces my belief >> that someone screwed up the code in the newer versions. >> =20 > >HPS offering to look into it in detail 18 days ago with a bunch of >other work done on it late last month means it is being actively >worked on. HPS even asked for SSH access to the machine which is >quite doable of a live CD/memstick which in itself does not require >an install.... so the bottom line is you have been given many many >opportunities to help out and you refuse to do any of them... the only >thing you do is sit here and whine about how no one is fixing it -- >how are they supposed to fix it if you refuse to at least help there >testing? Hans Petter Selasky asked if it was possible to get access to the PC, not that he wanted access himself. I am certainly not going to allow someone to access a machine that I use in production to be butchered up. In any case, I obviously do not have a PC currently running 12.z which exhibits the phenomenon in question. Now, I have a old HP running Win 10 Pro that I need to replace. I am now thinking of moving up the time table and purchase a new higher powered PC with 64 bit memory, et ceterea, and transfer the data from the HP to the new machine. Then, install FreeBSD on the HP machine. It should work because it is 7 or 8 years old, so FreeBSD should support the older architecture. Then, move the data off the current Dell machine into the HP. Once that is up and running, I absolutely need the mail server running correctly, I will blow away the installation of FreeBSD on the Dell and try to do a fresh install of version 13. 12 will be obsolete by the time I get this all done, so no reason to mess with it. The installation will probably fail though. Once I isolate that PC from the rest of the network, he can have all the access he wants. By the way, assuming it works and he finds the solution, I demand to be listed as a contributor to FreeBSD. 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