Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:13:43 -0800 From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@FreeBSD.org> To: Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd + natd (was: Re: some bugs in natd.8) Message-ID: <20030313081343.A79544@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030313154358.GB28029@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:43:58PM %2B0200 References: <20030228195412.O22034-100000@gamplex.bde.org> <20030313024936.A32285@FreeBSD.org> <20030313221709.Y4254@gamplex.bde.org> <20030313124939.GA11574@sunbay.com> <20030313054400.C32285@FreeBSD.org> <20030313135103.GA20081@sunbay.com> <20030313065546.D32285@FreeBSD.org> <20030313150528.GA28029@sunbay.com> <20030313072458.E32285@FreeBSD.org> <20030313154358.GB28029@sunbay.com>
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:43:58PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:24:58AM -0800, Eivind Eklund wrote: > [...] > > > Okay, here's my question: what is/was so bad about pppd + natd? > > > > Generating >10% of the total support load for FreeBSD on IRC is so bad > > about it. And I can't give you a better answer than that, because I > > haven't supported it in 3.5 years and do not remember what problems > > people were having - and if it had been a single problem or two (as > > you imply with your questions), I'd have SOLVED THOSE PROBLEMS rather > > than going for the blanket. > > > So you can't recall a single specific problem, other than saying they > were. There were no problems *per se* - there is nothing that inherently doesn't work with the configuration. I could say some people had problems configuring divert sockets. I could say some people had problems getting ipfw to work at all. I could say some people had problems with not having supplied -dynamic to natd. I could say some people didn't discover the -n option to natd. I could say some people had problems writing the script for pppd. I could say some people had problems with their kernel not containing the ppp device. And I could wring my brain to find more examples. However, I didn't see this as much of a point, because it does NOT add to the overall point: There was a bunch of small problems that in total resulted in the this configuration leading to a bunch of support. > Okay, then how about querying our current FreeBSD users about > it? It's that simple: > > Dear users of pppd(8) + natd(8), if there are any. Do you have/had > any problems using this combination? I'd appreciate both successful > and unfortunate reports, to improve documentation. I don't believe you'll get any relevant responses to that. Besides, I'm not interested. I know the problem is there, as I've seen it. You don't believe me when I tell you that it is there - that's your choice. This is not an issue I care enough about to spent more energy on. And I'm not active enough that I feel I have any right to any form of veto. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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