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Date:      Mon, 21 May 2001 18:18:31 -0500
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        dochawk@psu.edu
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: how much ram/cpu/swap to run emacs/xemacs effectively? 
Message-ID:  <15113.41543.275053.74528@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <200105212032.f4LKWA584023@fac13.ds.psu.edu>
References:  <15113.30811.116486.126146@guru.mired.org> <200105212032.f4LKWA584023@fac13.ds.psu.edu>

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dochawk@psu.edu types:
> mike mumbled,
> 
> > dochawk@psu.edu types:
> > > jonathon jubilated, :)
> > > > On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:34:31AM -0400, dochawk@psu.edu wrote:
> > > We'll leave the One True Editor out of this :)  Besides, I've wimped 
> > > out and used its visual descendant . . .
> > What? you mean you don't switch between all three almost at random?
> > Being able to use the best tool for the job is important.
> not any more.  I don't remember the last time I used ed instead of vi,
> so these days it's primarily vi, with emacs used to write code the first
> time, realign code from time to tome, and use mh over a text connection.

I still use ed fairly relularly for the one-line fix to config files
and the like. Even on today's machines, redrawing the screen two or
three times is starting ed.

> Then again, I've never quite trusted machines since we stopped entering
> bootstrap code . . . 

What? You don't trust bootstrap code store on the RL02?

> > I wonder what happened to qed?
> someone tried to demonstrate a fale proposition? :)

qed was ed on steroids. Not quote to ed as emacs is to vi, but not far
from it. It was even had hooks to support being a login shell.

> > > tries to do absolutely everything, 
> > Tries? Ok, it doesn't run 3d gas flow models very well, but if you've
> > got xemacs, you don't need Netscape, GNOME, KDE, XFree86-4 etc.  and
> > it's smaller than them to boot.
> GNOME? KDE?  Why would I want those? :)  I've got to allocate the mere 
> 512mb in my laptop carefully . . .

If you've got emacs, I don't know why you would want those.

> > > and downright hostile to the standards used by everything else . . .
> > Nah, it'll run on Windows as well as Unix.
> ahh, so it's hostile to standards, and hostile to those hostile to 
> standards. Is that uber-hostile or meta-hostile?
> 
> hawk, grimacing in advance for the escape-puns that the last line will 
> generate

I think the whole thing is alt-hostile.

	<mike
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