From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 10 13:04:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931B816A41F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:04:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: from web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C67443D48 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:04:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35589 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 13:04:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6m2pjuZ5CHL4GUKukq5sfsabxQRVbKemA0laGDNv8reYOC6GnQ99LXH9k99th/PxBbUgHRXOWwFkhogEfPabMSMu4FlDAVkXRisCup9AzI4V1+EvuT6KALhOLQPQaaagsQxhA2n+Rgoo68NQqOsCOctORiIGlezpdy2qwrEVJew= ; Message-ID: <20060110130432.35587.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.46.186.215] by web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:04:32 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: Danial Thom To: Ted Mittelstaedt , jdow , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: RE: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:04:33 -0000 --- Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On > Behalf Of jdow > >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:12 AM > >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to > diagnose why > > > >> > >> Unfortunately, jdow, since your using this > setup, the spammer has > >> already successfully delivered the mail to > you. The fact that you > >> delete the spam before reading makes no > difference - the spammer > >> doesen't know that and thinks they have > successfully delivered it. > > > >No they have not. They've managed to get it > onto my machine, > >transiently. > >It never got delivered to ME, the organic unit > here at this email > >address. > > I know that and your arguing out of your hat - > simply pulling statements > out of context. You know perfectly well that > the "to you" in the > sentence was to your machine, the paragraph > context told you that. > > Unfortunately in the spam game, it only matters > if the spammer > thinks they didn't successfully deliver it to > you. And that only > happens if the machine delivering the spam gets > an error when > trying to deliver it, since the spammer isn't > using legitimate > senders addresses and cannot get feedback any > other way. > > I've never been a fan of post-filters for this > reason. For some > kinds of filtering - like content filtering for > example - that > is the only way you can do it. But I think it > the height of > strangeness when SA checks blacklists and such > to assign scores. > If they really cared about spamfiltering, they > would use the > IP blacklists in the way they are intended - to > block access > completely to the spammer, not even let them > connect to the > server at all. The mail that SA is assigning > scores on based on > an IP blacklist shouldn't even be in the SA > filter to begin with. > > >> Denying the spam before it's even accepted > into the server is a > >> much better way. Unfortunately, a content > filter means you have to > > > >If you can make fetchmail do that you're > pretty clever, kemo sabe. > > > > No, but I can replace the Rube Goldberg > fetchmail arraingement your > using with a real mailserver that is on the > Internet all the time > and can make use of blacklist servers and such. > > And yes, I'm just as good at making > smart-alecky comments as you > are. Probably better at it, actually. Do you > want to knock it > off and go back to the technical merits > discussion now? ;-) YIKES. This is what happens when you put pimply-faced kids in charge of important things like mail. The "carpet bomb MECCA in order to kill a few terrorists" approach to computing. Its frightening. DT __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com