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Date:      Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:24:08 -0700
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        Niall Douglas <s_sourceforge@nedprod.com>
Cc:        freebsd-threads@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: thread aware malloc
Message-ID:  <425DC638.30801@elischer.org>
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Niall Douglas wrote:

>On 14 Apr 2005 at 1:54, Ivan Voras wrote:
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>>>KSE threads, FreeBSD v5.3. It's a mixture of process and system
>>>threads. As I mentioned in a previous post, it's eight times slower
>>>than Linux. See http://www.nedprod.com/Tn/ (scroll down to the
>>>screenshots).
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>>Did you test on a "real" FreeBSD & Linux hardware (not VMWare)?
>>Because VMWare **greatly** pessimizes low-level operations that depend
>>on atomic/bus locks, CMPXCHG & similar operations that are used in
>>synchronization, context switches & multithreading, and IO operations
>>are also very very slow compared to real hardware. It simply cannot be
>>used to do benchmarks on (except if you're benchmarking vmware, not
>>the guest system :) )
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>VMWare should penalise Linux and FreeBSD equally in this area, 
>actually Linux even more as it doesn't have a CMPXCHG exemption from 
>kernel builds and Fedora Linux has more daemons etc. running by 
>default.
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>Julian Elischer wrote:
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>>did you compile the FreeBSD kernel with the required changes for running
>>under vmware?
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>Yes. It's a custom build made go as fast as I could make it.
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>Interestingly, v5.3 was about half the speed of v5.2.1.
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>>Vmware REALLY SUCKS when it comes to emulating the exact instructions we
>>use for kernel locks and mutexes. You'd get maybe an order of magnitude
>>difference through this under some situations.
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>>I forget the exact options but they'll be in the list archives.
>>also make sure it's a Uniprocessor kernel.
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>It's also a uniprocessor kernel.
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>I finally have a native 64 bit platform which I just bought, I'm just 
>waiting on the release of v5.4. I'll post benchmarks here when I 
>know, but I'm still expecting an order of magnitude difference. 
>FreeBSD just feels a lot slower when doing multithreaded tasks 
>despite being faster for multiprocess work. It's as one would expect 
>with the added complexity of a M:N threading model which hasn't been 
>optimised yet.
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make sure you try libthr too.

>Either way, ptmalloc2 is many times faster than the libc memory 
>allocator. It's over sixty times faster than the win32 default 
>allocator under four threads, so one would expect at least a similar 
>speed up. I would expect a six to twelve times speed up for real 
>world code.
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>Cheers,
>Niall
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