From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 08:17:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2B34EB93 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com) Received: from fwd1.porkbun.com (fwd1.porkbun.com [52.10.174.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.porkbun.com", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jGv50cVrz4DXJ for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com) Received: by fwd1.porkbun.com (Postfix, from userid 497) id 9D89C414C4; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:17:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.3 (2019-12-06) on ip-172-31-37-14.us-west-2.compute.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.3 Received: from [172.21.88.29] (unknown [154.213.3.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: warren@boxsci.com) by fwd1.porkbun.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D73A414BA for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> From: Warren Hua Message-ID: <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:17:45 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jGv50cVrz4DXJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com designates 52.10.174.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.84 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:fwd1.porkbun.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.964]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[boxsci.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.100]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[52.10.174.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.976]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[warren@boxsci.com,SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.10.0.0/15, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[warren@boxsci.com,SRS0=onwE=7Y=boxsci.com=warren@porkbun.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:17:54 -0000 Hello Ralf, Since we are discussing with email, can I ask why you choose this rocketmail.com email account? b/c yahoo/rocketmail has the strictest policy on DMARC, thus it breaks any mailing list forwarding. As you see, for every email sent from you the sender is replaced with the list address itself. What's the DKIM for rocketmail.com: _dmarc.rocketmail.com. 1799 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=reject; pct=100; rua=mailto:dmarc_y_rua@yahoo.com;" p=reject is a bad setting in my opinion since it breaks any forwarding (including list). I asked this question for no special meanings but just curious. Thanks. Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:13:10 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 10 Jun 2020, at 23:06, Polytropon wrote: >>> However, I assume that the use of "reply to all" is so convenient it >>> is often preferred to "reply to mailing list", that's why sometimes >>> replies are send "twice"… >> >> A smart MUA (is there one) you have a reply button that replied sender >> if the messages was directly to you, replied to list if the message >> was from a list, and made you hit a difficult chorded sequence of 47 >> keys in precise order in less than 4 seconds to reply to all. > > It's not just a question of a "smart" MUA. > > There are two different "smart" approaches. Depending on mailing > list settings, formatted headers of the user and the wanted result, both > have got pros and cons. > > Either "reply all" or "reply" could invoke a mailing list reply in a > smart way. > > However, it depends on the wanted result and the headers of the sender > and kept or overridden headers by the mailing list. > > Btw. the mailing list never sends 2 replies. One reply is from the > list, the other directly from the sender. It's even possible to disable > duplicated messages by mailman, but then you'll receive a reply without > mailing list header, IOW just the reply from the sender. IOW it's a > cheap workaround, it's not smart. > > A "smart" solutions always providing the mailing list header is > possible, but hard to achieve. It only works if the common goal is > defined and all pull together. > > It requires agreement regarding the content of the Reply-To and > From headers. > > A problem could be that some MUAs usually only provide > one of the two options, but it's required that depending on the goal > the user can chose between "reply all" or "reply" to invoke a > mailing list reply. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >