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Date:      Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:37:09 -0500
From:      Nathan Lay <nslay@comcast.net>
To:        "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" <gaijin.k@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Johannes Dieterich <dieterich.joh@googlemail.com>
Subject:   Re: overheating Thinkpad X60s with 7.0-RC1
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Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:42 +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for that reply! :-)
>>
>> On 1/7/08, Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko <gaijin.k@gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>>
>>> First -- the disclaimer -- mine is X60 (not X60s), but with 1.83GHz
>>> 32-bit CPU, so it should be somewhat similar to yours. At the moment it
>>> has USB drivers loaded, which tends to bump CPU utilization and
>>> temperature. It has UltraBase attached and is sitting on top of the
>>> aluminum passive cooler pad.
>>>       
>> I guess the two should be rather similar. May I ask what you mean with
>> "aluminum passive cooler pad"? Is that located underneath your UltraBase? If
>> yes, does it help? Mine does not get that hot there.
>>     
> Chunk of aluminum with two dead fans inside -- used to be "active cooler
> pad" when fans were alive ;) I use second HD in the UltraBase every now
> and again and it gets warm.
>   
>>     
>>> I does look shade cooler then yours, and fan is running at the lower
>>> speed.
>>>       
>> An that is what makes me wonder...
>>
>>
>> I will try to list things that I do/have done, and you can compare them
>>     
>>> to your setup:
>>> -- BIOS is updated to the latest level (I do keep XP partition for this
>>> specific purpose).
>>>       
>> That is not the case with mine because of the lack of a XP partition. Do you
>> have any idea whether these FreeDOS BIOS-flash mechanisms are working?
>>     
> On my 42p (work machine), I normally use USB floppy with FreeDOS to
> flash the BIOS -- IBM^H^H^HLenovo usually distributes two BIOS updates
> -- you want one marked as the "floppy version". I think if you look
> through the mail archives, you should be able to find suggestion on
> making bootable CD, if USB floppy is out of reach.
>
> <skip>
>   
>> -- I set low CPU state to C2 in rc.conf
>>     
>>> performance_cx_lowest="C2"    # Online CPU idle state
>>> economy_cx_lowest="C2"       # Offline CPU idle state
>>>       
>> Done.
>>     
> Ahem... if "LOW" there does not render your machine unusable, it is even
> better.
>   
>> Concerning the later cpufreq discussion: done that too. So far so good. The
>> cpufreq module gives
>>
>> module_register: module pci/ichss_pci already exists!
>> Module pci/ichss_pci failed to register: 17
>> module_register: module cpu/ichss already exists!
>> Module cpu/ichss failed to register: 17
>> module_register: module cpu/est already exists!
>> Module cpu/est failed to register: 17
>> module_register: module cpu/p4tcc already exists!
>> Module cpu/p4tcc failed to register: 17
>> module_register: module cpu/powernow already exists!
>> Module cpu/powernow failed to register: 17
>> module_register: module cpu/smist already exists!
>> Module cpu/smist failed to register: 17
>>     
> I guess, here might be another difference -- I load acpi as the module.
> If you think it will help, I can mail you my kernel config outside of
> the list.
>
>   
>> in the booting process.
>>
>> Then portupgrade gcc and trying to trace it with dev.acpi_ibm:
>>
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 3450
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 57 56 -1 54 37 -1 32 -1
>>
>> when it started. Rather healthy although the fan is rather high.
>>
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4081
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 81 57 -1 79 37 -1 32 -1
>>
>> some ten minutes later.
>>
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4709
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 87 57 -1 85 37 -1 32 -1
>>
>>
>> again ten minutes more.
>>
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4675
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1
>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 88 59 -1 86 37 -1 32 -1
>>     
> Yikes! Can you, please, post results of 'sysctl dev.cpu.0'
>
>   
>> and this some ten/fifteen minutes before overheat. I find it remarkable that
>> it apparently suddenly goes some almost 40 (!) degrees up.
>>
>> So what is left now is a BIOS update, or? Does
>> http://taint.org/2007/04/23/153737a.html sound doable for anyone?
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>     
> Well, let's cvsup on the close dates (I do it on the regular basis
> anyway), take my kernel config, build identical kernels, ditch the X
> completely, remove systems from docks and away from cooling pads, run
> something CPU-intensive and compare notes. We can do it off-list and
> post summary in the case of success.
>
> For starters, why don't you send me your output of pciconf -lv
> and /var/run/dmesg.boot along with /boot/loader.conf
> and /etc/sysctl.conf. You can add you kernel config for the good
> measure.
>   
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Johannes
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>>     
>
>   
If you can, use DR-DOS (Caldera's DOS).  Not to rag on FreeDOS or 
anything, but I've had bad experiences with FreeDOS and BIOS updates. 

http://www.drdosprojects.de/

Best Regards,
Nathan Lay



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