From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 20 15:41:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AF323D152 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@chthonixia.net) Received: from mail1.g14.pair.com (mail1.g14.pair.com [66.39.4.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Nf295qsZz3HJ8 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@chthonixia.net) Received: from mail1.g14.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g14.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277AAA6DA3 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ghostyhead.chthonixia.net (cpe-108-176-147-163.nyc.res.rr.com [108.176.147.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g14.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D2B1A6D4C for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:41:01 -0500 From: "Joe A." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-ID: <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Nf295qsZz3HJ8 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@chthonixia.net has no SPF policy when checking 66.39.4.16) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@chthonixia.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.773,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[chthonixia.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[16.4.39.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:66.39.0.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[asn: 7859(-1.17), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:41:07 -0000 On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 01:17:01PM +0100, David Demelier wrote: > Le 18/02/2020 ?? 04:23, Tomasz CEDRO a ??crit??: >> > > because FreeBSD does not seem to be reliable desktop environment > > anymore even on a decent modern machine :-( As to this: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Radeon Vega Graphics (3500.09-MHz K8-class CPU) real memory = 34359738368 (32768 MB) nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 440.31 Sun Oct 27 02:07:28 UTC 2019 NVIDIA Corporation device = GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] etcetera.... > FreeBSD for desktop is still not a thing. And then this: Desktop user since 1999, no sysadmining here. In fact, in 1999 Linux was inestimably harder to use for a desktop than FreeBSD. -- a lot of nopes to nope.