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Date:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:10:23 -0800 (PST)
From:      Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
Cc:        Kevin Oberman <oberman@es.net>, Soren Schmidt <sos@freebsd.dk>, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Disk I/O problem in 4.3-BETA
Message-ID:  <200103122310.f2CNANH77246@earth.backplane.com>
References:  <200103122036.VAA99695@freebsd.dk> <200103122146.f2CLkLs08952@ptavv.es.net> <20010312140636.A18351@fw.wintelcom.net>

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:If basically running with blind write caching turned on is akin to
:running your filesystem in async mode.  This is because write
:caching gives the drive license to lie about completing a write,
:the various ordering of writes are effectively bypassed.  If you
:crash without these dependancies actually written to the disk, when
:you come back up you have a good chance of losing large portions
:of your filesystem.
:
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:-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
:Daemon News Magazine in your snail-mail! http://magazine.daemonnews.org/

    It's actually worse.  Someone, I forget who, ran some tests with 
    write-caching turned on and found that the IDE drive could hold a
    pending write in its cache 'forever', even in the face of other writes,
    as long as there was other disk activity going on.  So we aren't just
    talking about issuing I/O's out of order, we are talking about issuing
    a sequence of writes and having some of them simply not ever commiting
    to disk (not for a long, long time) in a heavily loaded environment.
    That's bad news.

						-Matt


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