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Date:      Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:40:46 +0000
From:      spellberg_robert <emailrob@emailrob.com>
To:        "Person, Roderick" <personrp@UPMC.EDU>, fbsd_chat <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: lcd monitor manufacturer recommendation request
Message-ID:  <4B07451E.8020907@emailrob.com>
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i thank you, sir, also.



Person, Roderick wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]
>>
>>
>> > You don't have to do anything.
>>
>>[ slow burn, then, sigh ] that's the problem with the world, today.
>>when people don't --have-- to do anything, people don't --learn_how-- to do
>>anything.
>>oops, i digress.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>You should also note that the refresh rate is pretty much
>>>irrelevant for LCD displays.  While 85 Hz did make sense
>>>for CRT monitors in order to avoid flickering, that's not
>>>necessary with LCD monitors.  They won't flicker with
>>>60 Hz which is a very common refresh rate for LCD.
>>
>>this is useful to know.
>>while i --have-- seen some that claim a f_vert up to 85_cps,
>>   75 seems to be a popular top_end.
>>
> 
> 
> You could get an LCD monitor that only has the 15 pin connection, then you can
> choose refresh rate and play with modelines. At least on the Viewsonic LCD I have
> which is 5 years old I had to do that to get it working. That is if you really want to keep doing such things.

it isn't that i --want-- to keep doing this; it is that i --can-- do so, if i desire.
for my 500ps, i had set up 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960 and 1600x1200; all at 85.
once i had tweaked these to my satisfaction, i left them alone.
this was quite_a_few years ago.
about two weeks ago, i decided to try improving on the 1280x960;
   this led to adding 1440x1080, which i like very much, now that i have used it for a_while.

you see, i am a hardware guy.
some fellows tweak gasoline engines.
i met a machinist who built a steam_locomotive at 1:8 scale [ i think it was a 4_8_4 ].
i have a friend in the flower business [ roses ] who builds chairs out of wood.
if i had my druthers,
   i'd be building small systems out of hcmos 8_bit single_chip_controllers and msi
   [ lately, i have become intrigued by energy_conversion ].
another way to while_away the time is to
   build hf_band receivers and [ < 5_watt ] transmitters out of vacuum_tubes.
winding coils is --very-- therapeutic.



>>>My recommendation is to go to a shop, look at several
>>>monitors and take the one you like best, irrespective
>>>of the manufacturer.  Do *NOT* buy an LCD display that
>>>you haven't seen with your own eyes before.  I'm serious.
>>
>>holy moses !!!
>>
>>you are reinforcing my long_held belief that lcd is a downgrade from crt.
>>
>>
>>
>>>By the way, back in the CRT days, my favourite was EIZO.
>>
>>not familiar, but, i've heard the name.
>>maybe, i saw some in grad_school.
>>i --know-- i saw the name on a retailer's web_site, yesterday.
>>
>>
>>>I disliked Sony.
>>
>>freedom_of_choice is good [ that'll get the secret_police after me ].
>>
> 
> 
> I'll second you belief that LCD are worse than CRTs for the most part. I really
> like the Apple LCD monitors but these are in the high end range of LCD monitors
> once you start up there the picture quality and resolutions start to match that of CRTs, 
> in my opinion. The only thing I don't miss from my CRTs is the high pitch hum and
> reduced desk space.

i thoroughly understand.

from my late parents,
   i inherited a very solid, wooden "equipment_stand" [ for lack of a better term ].
it's about 30" high, with a footprint of about 18" x 24".
the legs are 2x2 and it has a 3/4" shelf a little more than halfway up.
it has routered moldings.
it is stained darkly; it --might-- be mahogany.
this thing is solid; i think it dates from the 1920s.
no veneered plywood here;
   it is made the way --i-- would make a stand, --if-- i made stands [ hmmm ... ].
it's the kind of stand that would very comfortably support
   one of those 15_digit, motorized, mechanical calculating_machines that made ibm famous,
   not unlike the machine that jack lemmon is seen using in
   the opening scene of "the apartment" [ billy wilder, 1960 ];
   those things were --heavy--.
it sits at the side of my desk, which is a good thing,
   because the desk space is occupied by four mid_towers.
the fans in those things mask any hum.
between the am_radio and my tinnitis, i don't notice any high pitches, either.
ah, bliss.



> For the record my favorite CRTs were from SGI . The two I had were manufactured by LG,
> so my second LCD was an LG for this reason. It is definitely better than the Viewsonic, but 
> still not as good picture wise as the CRTs, IMO.

i am not impressed by what i read regarding viewsonic.

i know next to nothing about lg, but, i will look into them.



> Rod Person 
> Sr. Programmer 
> (412)454-2616 
> http://www.ccbh.com 
> 
> "An educator never says what he himself thinks, but only that which he thinks it is good for those whom he is educating to hear."-Nietzsche



rob




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