From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 21:18:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEED334C50 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mgzR12Ydz3VBD for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id w18so207006iom.5 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jbseP/xDPSib/3raQr+Pf3mjYzCACnZwyrGfLF8T7GU=; b=hxxOFBSbPZjwGsPNLJ+6JCm3b88P/RQSs+6ZGxBcLfmzx/qXLi+Wm8eXOdCCpm90XZ Y4cCKvMRbTmdkJ9b7mXJ/B1Nzky/o1718QXlwqEp5vXlA/UuaLYy8JhrGc0AcaqgRlTQ XKJIaCKevP6RtoKzd8VtGB8GwUjjZSxAMSpi3IrLd9FKPS5OKSlT5XavaMedS+Afw5wt 1Fcqe9oZj3Yyfxx8/ru8i2AykbW410OStIEFNjf2ls492jj5Vwxj9qDnyW1Mnc/uuF62 CWOYiBZAJY2WfWAIfrfMC5IesPP/zAi7NNF/abPXoNKRbPmG2sMk7BuDonyN6fUzuOMW eGow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jbseP/xDPSib/3raQr+Pf3mjYzCACnZwyrGfLF8T7GU=; b=QhcvqzfCspHTjWfTnxvjlvZR3HIvZbrq+DMM+IVJeUkQIC5hhDy5xtz7ob82Hbx7JI CSljnr09gSMVIBw42B9brdYlzx+ocvXvaBfqJtVvsltTH4m0zIXDJqmAqLkjlTlE2AtQ IYH5iCG1ZNIBAUpiB/crdr4L4rjg/pHuOCfimLqZlwSXD1nLANgG6ysUhtfrTO3+e5+O XFtv4uq6gyW47LI0tZE7I6dDYq3vfdH5rbWxnLM9JWq8GM5M8C/uTWchRlwGgeCX1e56 Vpv9Ocs9dDOU0NdbCC6cE+FTKb5GJCV/u1s9+clqydfyNMGJ/5ZizyU5SY7qLITdUYD2 sBSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532/ZFxIp/zbLDVKn/pi1rSAe7PwxUOkThMZyjiheJ4zGIUNzk/c /uMZmjiTUP/+bPmuWWbGm4o+RwNQKEcOIWr1W8yT/P5t X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwHQhJtGDP6DUi2y+RHK2NTZCYGU3LbRWeo1u/2S88TfwfRzcMxWr+T45wZXmnMG+RmjhTTGymAyF/ebRqO/zw= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8e19:: with SMTP id e25mr5250445iod.36.1592342306138; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <20200616144141.6203d978e9bd43418b17dcbc@sohara.org> <20200616170906.9c0bb6c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616175118.2d536f55.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616123659.000025a6@seibercom.net> <20200616130710.00002909@seibercom.net> <20200616151200.0000663a@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the desktop To: doug@safeport.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mgzR12Ydz3VBD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hxxOFBSb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.33 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.929]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.007]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.399]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:18:27 -0000 On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:04 PM doug wrote: > > fetched. E.g., pair.com and petitecloud.org that address their products to > Linux, not any of the BSDs. > > Where on Earth did you get the idea that PetiteCloud was primarily targeting Linux?!??!!? (See my signature for my qualifications to know what it was intended for!). I wrote PetiteCloud on FreeBSD, for FreeBSD and used bhyve as the primary hypervisor. The linux stuff was 1) to show the flexibility it had and 2) attempt to widen the audience to people who think FreeBSD is some kind of poor step child to Linux (if anything Linsucks is the poor step child to FreeBSD and the other BSD's). If you really want to know more see the interview I did in BSDMag (Dec. 2016) on the matter. BTW I am also a port maintainer and the largest headache in that regard is fixing weird and pointless assumptions made by Linux developers (even if their overall idea is great). For example redefining the entire macro set for Bison and making it incompatible with newer versions of Bison (spent 2 weeks so far fixing this on devel/aegis and still not done, not even sure how recursive the rabbit hole is). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org