From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 09:54:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7902A1065670 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A008FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3824491rvf.43 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:54:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=F3cXT7fYtvOr7JswgRu1m7mweLAqxmMFN9mKIDF8FW8=; b=o7NrJIw4CLBq/WkUX1DxzNZs/xX5cUQ1/K069gU3hBz3Zk5wCoFmLOHHdYaXi3NnLJ V/lO4KyeDCofBWMPN3UFzZYdiIDEp2TVViKD2vqWo8lLQGZLJmQOHXetaHxS79nPgYgk je31dWC3MkgJAHb+tcdj+Pi+b9p1ZrjFoV3NY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Bv6TvjWm36UkrwIx9h/trU5jcIe8JOJwTEopF9que8gIggZLPB0CZ3gvUubaFJA5u2 ig2r81v5CTfWiSybEZTFR/JK/l2kdfVWq6hKRpMUy7/UykMXaTbgqlmqVYNB6bl3OPdY AtmAFD1gqKFFbTGhO00DXrBJFqbXWlRLx6Frg= Received: by 10.140.132.4 with SMTP id f4mr180047rvd.291.1228384445770; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.158.13 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:54:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812040154g30fc2c2egf82f5fc2dd1d9e83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:54:05 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: "Joe Kelsey" In-Reply-To: <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> Cc: Randy Bush , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:54:06 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Joe Kelsey wrote: > Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: >> >> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:49:02 +0900 >> Randy Bush wrote: >> >> >>> >>> what a tragic story. and zero technical info, like even what your >>> controller is. best of luck in penguin land. bye! >>> >>> randy >>> >> >> No, actually, I forwarded to Soren all the information I could glean >> from Windows Vista, Linux and FreeBSD (which I managed to install on an >> external USB drive). I also applied the patches he sent me, which >> failed to cure the problem, and have been monitoring the mailing lists >> and CVS repo for any signs of progress, but so far I've seen nothing. >> > > The first step in upgrading a FreeBSD system is to NEVER purchase ANYTHING > with an nVidia logo anywhere near it. nVidia purposelessly witholds > programming information form free developers, so there is virtually no > chance for being able to make anything with nVidia work at any time. > > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the video > is crappy and buggy. > > Several people have mentioned reliable internet shops to order proven > hardware from. Whenever you walk into a "local" computer store, you get no > expertise in anything non-windoze. Go somewhere where you can use a > magnifying glass to examine the chips and actually determine whether or not > you are likely to suffer the nvidia disaster. Write down the motherboard > information and ask on the mailing lists. I had a horrid problem with > crappy SATA chips on my motherboard, and I had to buy two different SATA PCI > cards before I got one that worked. > > Trade in the defective motherboard to get a new one that works. Think > before you ever try to buy anything with nVidia logos on it, unless you are > willing to run Linux crap. > > Good luck in the future. > > /Joe Disclaimer: the above assumptions only apply (for the most part) to motherboards with nVidia chipsets. Read the specs, do your homework, and 9/10 Intel chipsets with onboard video will have Intel graphics chipsets and AMD motherboard chipsets will come with ATI onboard chipsets (surprise, surprise). -Garrett