From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 26 06:57:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C322CD36B for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 06:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-53.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-53.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498zH65Rzzz43Zm for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 06:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: ixjbgAIVM1n63sYs.xhbfxbZHXmK7dbQQKPy8w7wZvawj9CyabmvlImqcg7pDIG Bhyo8WexvQz.NDPay6nZMb2cFKaKVAXy3BWqShxgAAzGPCDeMcnF0FAEC7YGIl2ZsbBnjnh9GDyP ajgWoCN9Ztn3Y.Ij.G6UV.8eh50dwMOOyPbs63fisCQWNwTgnWai5hSGld97B77wEQpNdwm9V_yY FufHB4Al0plYZ1AQF1F4Ykye176HXd2w.k5zGxpQoStTUz7MgaQ4z1dr7gJqwpA55E360pYK6Jn9 U6zorotyhCskhVpqJAwAaCUrxOoBX1fXGGVqFZ5tSivRwayxtvui4aa04znh_P8aoEDBEyT5RW3v JjQbaUTBcHWIDIw0aanfo2S0g2NPFoBIz5wzTObs2uCstBp7eQqaDVMLAl7T9Wk60hi9xl2ezU_H lpGkXMXEd1zeljMselOCAemVNbOG98hYqAVb1Ao3FY_EKL3rkH68uUbveAkrkxbI_2HCHYwdcTob wDy39MUuGLnZcfQDhE4T3ODjT3ev.vZwWAkqiu_VFOmVuNjjOM2huQVCn.XvMal3.VjGLfXmg.Sz wcHXdWH9OShQcUUfKIlbI.gbXOANkzFxrxVZpsrm4yjke3zuThyDOtKxfE0D7ecpUA1rqYmRKwNG 8ZY1oK40bjSHm2JB5VAybnzCld0xBfZg0YixXTQEnxNLdEqUIJSWvinF7WnuKaG6vrXYo7f0lkRB G8MPSPT_zgZUevdJeGnYV6VE3aZmVyYdOwlIRUL4v4mXLSdfgDUDeXU8FFWcOeL5rxq4lNuduiwr kZxX_OSZEgrqbNLrhEIRAOVqUsbM7bVvps1YgGxlVAxqq4EtStn.krLbGVqxWnLMrz7d3NFjwd3V 8WoBXg3cMTPBxafrc.IkUYGYoxmm1a2zefQastCtCwkcDomyv5sk654qTZVJ_Ol6egl9PF8TQi4G KfZXv1pehBhCZeg5lTO2ce9XvNeG_BXvVB3hyWidGnD8hCQZ6FcmZ3N9s8pmnpmkzRBN63ClNf63 OSD8JKxGP3cRYuMo5uxHFgt0QoZRZMpRu6PJo3f4oGwR1XNSAntJD6eoABNhefCihi9Hh4_m3zm. dRwp8THSgNr4zpLkWTfVuJLfi.uG7haJCiMiAD5K_Qo2DErc0hiiMNgQNXabM2z1Oa9.BAKCiAr5 oLakjQJr9TU_MNsGVQ_kbM80.bFibsD07Vx2MCqMovZMsSxcDBe7XNgMO06y.bvfCJNbRGxgQmFh ctocQyURG6TsBoHAGhIThXOy7QKjnbK94aPEg3nomlbHPg2GC0pp6ParRkGmJy93wOpDAZkXeE7p MTsp8tLWU.LfjzjUGYb9zKJL3Ci.MhwKQgmBINdlBGOiLikBujQtQSt6aEEggw3K8XkBLONqxjgx 1JefkLBNyiIkprdIcD9DtWG9DRajHxw9Cm9WXoYhJR7eQhNagAjW3AwMc848rn6WjyuG3 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 06:57:03 +0000 Received: by smtp412.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c3e9909f318a101797d4cb1e1e51e6a7; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:57:05 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD live USB stick Message-ID: <20200426085705.0838e5c9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <503ac059-c4a5-d618-9b85-e154339e1f36@holgerdanske.com> References: <4ccdd6e57db9817c48ff492cb82361ebe820cf86.camel.ref@rocketmail.com> <4ccdd6e57db9817c48ff492cb82361ebe820cf86.camel@rocketmail.com> <503ac059-c4a5-d618-9b85-e154339e1f36@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 498zH65Rzzz43Zm X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.722,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.887,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.110.248.87.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.24), ipnet: 87.248.110.0/24(2.31), asn: 34010(1.66), country: GB(-0.07)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 06:57:09 -0000 On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 13:52:06 -0700, David Christensen wrote: >After the 128 GB Ultra Fit failed, I shopped around for high-endurance=20 >USB flash drives. These are hard to find, especially in larger >capacties. > > >I did find one OEM that makes industrial flash devices in various=20 >capacities and form factors, including USB: > >https://www.cactus-tech.com/products/industrial-grade/usb-flash-drive/ > > >Unfortunately, Cactus Technologies is an OEM and does not sell into=20 >retail channels. I contacted them, and they offered to sell me two 16=20 >GB drives (USB 2.0?) for $39 plus shipping with a lead time of 5 weeks=20 >ARO (if not in stock). > > >STFW 'industrial usb flash' there are a few other manufacturers and/or=20 >distributors. > > >The MacBook Pro has an SD Card slot. SanDisk high-endurance microSD=20 >cards are readily available, so I went with that: > >https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/sandisk-high-enduran= ce-uhs-i-microsd#SDSQQNR-032G-AN6IA > > >SanDisk also makes a "max endurance" model: > >https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/sandisk-max-enduranc= e-uhs-i-microsd#SDSQQVR-032G-AN6IA > > >STFW I see that some people put these into USB adapters and use them >as live drives. If you run embedded systems with SD/ microSD slots=20 >(Rasperry Pi, etc.), this might be a better way to go. Hi David, in a German forum consensus is SD + USB adapter over USB stick, too [1]. For testing purpose I'll not cancel the order of the Toshiba 32 GB USB stick [2], read 150 MB/s, 11.50 =E2=82=AC including shipping costs [3]. Regards, Ralf [1] https://www.bsdforen.de/threads/freebsd-auf-usb-stick.33407/#post-289988 [2] https://direkt.jacob.de/produkte/toshiba-u365-32gb-thn-u365k0320e4-artnr-43= 10729.html?utm_source=3Didealo&utm_medium=3Dcpc&utm_campaign=3DPreisverglei= ch&ref=3D109 [3] https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dlehrgeld ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 14:58:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0BA2BB0BC for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499nvr1v7Yz48dZ for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 03REw5fg030438 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:58:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Cannot debug over serial line Message-ID: <438dfa76-6dc3-dbe5-5a28-c6217ffb1e3a@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:58:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 499nvr1v7Yz48dZ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.88)[ip: (-8.82), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-4.41), asn: 30722(3.80), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:58:17 -0000 Hello. I've got a couple 12.1 system where I've set up remote GDB, by following chapter 10.4 of the developer's handbook. However, after I enter DDB (either with boot -d or Ctrl-Alt-Esc), as soon as I type "gdb" the system locks. Remote cannot connect and Ctrl-C doesn't exit GDB mode (as it says it should). Any hint? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 20:01:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10B92C43C5 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499wdW689Xz4XdN for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03RK1BnZ043160 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:01:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03RK1Bhv043159 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:01:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:01:11 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: questions list Subject: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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This system is a backup file server that I could reinstall if necessary, but I'd really like to avoid having to do that. Any tips/ideas on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 20:15:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD7B2C4926 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (vm1982.osfux.nl [79.99.187.212]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499wxq4yvTz4YgV for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F3C2011B for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:15:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none shortcircuit=no X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.3 Received: from [192.168.9.195] (unknown [95.174.67.156]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:15:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> From: Ruben Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:14:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 499wxq4yvTz4YgV X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl:s=default]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[osfux.nl:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[osfux.nl,reject]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[asn: 8315(0.85), country: NL(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8315, ipnet:79.99.184.0/21, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:15:29 -0000 Hi, If you are not compiling your own kernel I normally go about it something like this: freebsd-update -r 12.1-RELEASE upgrade freebsd-update install shutdown -r now freebsd-update install You will be prompted to reinstall installed software now. If you do not use the ports collection: pkg update (this probably throws some errors about a major version update being detected) pkg-static install -f pkg ; pkg upgrade -fy If you do use the ports collection: portmaster -m DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes -Raf --no-confirm (I always found it convenient to do a full update / upgrade of the portstree _prior_ to switching to 12.1) After reinstalling the installed software, you can issue: freebsd-update install shutdown -r now You should be on 12.1 now. Needless to say; you are advised to make backups / prepare contingency plans :) Regards, Ruben On 4/27/20 10:01 PM, Bob Willcox wrote: > Hi, > > What is the best way to update a system from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? This system > is a backup file server that I could reinstall if necessary, but I'd really like to > avoid having to do that. > > Any tips/ideas on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. > > Bob > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 21:31:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88562C6B7F for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499ydy4J5Yz3Clj for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D02129F48 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:290b:583e:f62b:d7fb]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 171F517EDC for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/171F517EDC; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cSwEbdRgJY9sLkRBYgTWfkc4uR599Yn2o" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:31:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --cSwEbdRgJY9sLkRBYgTWfkc4uR599Yn2o Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="pRn6IeipCPfPdOklt6fFRvYO9hNQWin7s" --pRn6IeipCPfPdOklt6fFRvYO9hNQWin7s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27/04/2020 21:01, Bob Willcox wrote: > What is the best way to update a system from 11.3-stable to > 12.1-stable? This system is a backup file server that I could > reinstall if necessary, but I'd really like to avoid having to do > that. If you're using ZFS and have sufficient spare space, it should be possible to use boot environments to allow upgrading to 12.1 while still keeping an easy backout path to 11.3. Failing that -- you say that the server is a file server. Do you happen to have a separate set of data disks that you write the file server content to, distinct from your system drives? In that case you could build a new 12.1 system on a spare drive and physically swap it into the machine. Or if you've got a mirrored system drive, you could split the mirror and build an upgraded system on one of the mirrors. Again, this gives you a relatively easy backout path if it all goes pear shaped. Failing either of those, I'd suggest creating a bootable USB stick to which you copy your important data -- passwd file, home directories, anything you've customized on the system and want to be able to re-create -- or just copy all of your root, /usr, /home partitions onto the memory stick if you have space. In principle, even if an attempted update renders your system unbootable, you should have enough on a live-system image to be able to recover. If you're careful, the file server content should be safe enough throughout this whole exercise. Although, obviously, make sure all this is not the only copy of your content, and that it is all duplicated elsewhere -- if this is the backup fileserver, presumably you also have a primary fileserver with the live copies of everything? As for how you do the actual upgrade -- just use whichever of the recognised means of upgrading the system works best for you. freebsd-upgrade(8) is a good choice. Although, if you're going to choose one of the routes that involves swapping HDDs in and out, then installing a brand new system and recreating your local customizations from scratch is quite a good approach. There's quantities of cruft that tends to build up over the years that this method will naturally get rid = of. Cheers, Matthew --pRn6IeipCPfPdOklt6fFRvYO9hNQWin7s-- --cSwEbdRgJY9sLkRBYgTWfkc4uR599Yn2o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAl6nT0NfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5OezUxAArZnT1KTcBD8DG4xHYfEDnLPqvNSjmBXGM6IKbiHKTngu6GcVrpkiDuqO Ie5aoO5GbWHDoYGt26QuMLyydArNKbl2F5zOrCQ9ITNNQgesAz8Ejofr+SffMHud iPeeAxacsrxtHCNqh17F3zIU8eC+ZbRfANS8OHoxpvSCiE1eTUmiN8xjL5TMNq8f v9GE72bsUn/tHdJa+N4x+j/L6OYeF/2CXh8LMOqGEMHOglIUkHHuZ7SNjJLxlBfg bIxmhcVe0vHj4tg1VXVU1TtI15LaaZRF0aO8EIz66TgISyDBLjSEG9VMErNhijT/ W7DI6To5ezdPMrPmi2GmMe8LiJtbH0LYFqFJDfh5oTzE8csoAc3FoF449rnkpwlr FConfzSxKFgGn2WIMvzbHbnJUeritOAdYD+hTk9paM8gJ491GpRRlk6h9wx8pW9E alDJh5hSNXJO5PnONZxMvoGqbuBEwzg/c68iTlyLUeyzJwTs4lOXyVp6UJOkXwtR j4VQ4BCLpB3Uryqpo5/MloJ80FC0kOIJZV5+UVwHKXl2FcXZ0RixiJvSyI6RTayl iQjzL00D33aO/MtKl65cYDmwsTjy9ih33pJgDIi7WPlHjraL1+Fe189OLF3DzzpR 80LMe87PB3Zt7ilUKcjty7kawauSxqllbJTTpjwoEKp8DWWUh+c= =2D4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cSwEbdRgJY9sLkRBYgTWfkc4uR599Yn2o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 21:41:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD4A2C722E for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499ysY2snnz3DyW; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.36.147]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MplsZ-1iqZu734mb-00qF4J; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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There's quantities of cruft that > tends to build up over the years that this method will naturally get rid of. I think that is a very important aspect. In case you have a "grown system", it might be possible that you will be building or re-installing stuff that you _now_ don't need anymore. For example, if your server runs application A, the version used on 11.3 required libraries B and C. The current version of A doesn't need B anymore, but you still will have it installed because it was installed before. To avoid such a case, and if you can and _want_ to do it, you can install a clean system from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as they are needed. As it has been mentioned before, for ZFS systems, using a BE is very convenient. Installing on a second disk is also an option (so you'll always have a fallback "old state" system that you can activate in case of problems). But of course there is nothing wrong in using source-based upgrades or binary ones, and rebuild everything that was installed before. All those ideas have advantages and disadvantages, are possible or not possible, and you have to decide for your specific setting and intended use of the system. The single ultimate answer: It depends. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 27 22:00:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D8E2C7DB8 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10003df166d.e8ba64e53cd2852581b433d85274af79@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499zGn0894z3GDr for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10003df166d.e8ba64e53cd2852581b433d85274af79@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1588024817; x=1590616817; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=pcEEUqyfMJmpGneIivQ8ITK0DgCO+LLDXShb3MDdItI=; b=ThKbpLRqW6ZrpihfydtMZOiL3KznBwIHDVJyLI8iCXR0aFd/MAeV2c03fL4DPJmQo+LK0RfBUEt0jk6CvIPC8+WT+1/fNmt8m99WAJoP2wWDPwl+cxwWDhaobk8GH1zcFK3b46SOkHlq8o09kQhtq4ZFzf2OMXC6t3YbSWanUDc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDNkZjE2NmQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 27 Apr 2020 18:00:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 27 Apr 2020 18:00:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jTBnH-000M26-UN; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:00:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:00:03 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list of packages to install. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 01:07:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D822CD3B6 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x134.google.com (mail-il1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49B3Qd43xgz41X9 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x134.google.com with SMTP id s10so18652603iln.11 for ; 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.91), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:07:22 -0000 On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:24 AM Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > Looking around almost every major linux dist discourages NFS in favor of > > almost anything else for example here is SUSE's official manual on > network > > storage (never even mentions NFS directly as a primary option, only how > to > > manage the ACL's if your on a legacy NFS system): > > > https://documentation.suse.com/sles/12-SP4/single-html/SLES-storage/#part-net-storage > > > Perhaps we have been in a rut with our petabyte of data entirely accessed > over NFSv3, but looking at that web page I wonder if there isn't something > obsolete about it - after all, the majority of the hardware mentioned in > section 17.2 as being supported is IBM and SUN, and very little would be > available for purchase today. I know it has an April 2020 data at the top, > but still, it doesn't reflect our experience with Linux. All of our Linux > systems have excellent support for NFS, and have for 30 years or more. > > I wonder if the documentation is perhaps greatly removed from actual > practice. It is about remote block storage, NFS is about remote file > storage. > The jury seems to still out (at best) on the question of block vs. file. I suspect the main issue are you NAS (file storage) or SAN (block storage): https://blog.storagecraft.com/object-storage-systems/ https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/block-storage/block-storage-use-cases/ https://www.raidinc.com/2019/12/file-block-and-object-level-storage-which-solution-is-best-for-your-organization/ https://www.hyperconverged.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/why-you-need-block-storage-in-a-hyperconverged-world.pdf If anything people seem to be recommending object over block and block over file.... one comment if iSCSI is such clusterF then object storage is even worse since it abstracts the physical location away where is block at least preserves that. > All our storage is FreeBSD, Freenas or Truenas. All our compute servers > are Linux. > > Daniel Feenberg > -- Aryeh M. 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I have casually looked at github (don't have an account yet). Recommendations? -- Aryeh M. 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As always requirements dictate the > best solution. > > The point with OpenStack is the choice should of been left to the user/admin instead they just out of the blue decided everything must be iSCSI (even local storage is presented as iSCSI lun's to the hypervisor) and thus made it impossible to power reset unless very eleborate shutdown procedures are performed (not possible is the reset is due to power failure). Thus making it impossible to use outside of a data center.... the entire point of this subthread was to show that OpenStack picked wrong and did so based on standard recommendations in the Linux community at the time (2013-2014) and that those recommendations where/are still being made and are demonstrably wrong. The other main point was to show why source distrubtion is better then binary distrubtion (if OpenStack was available in easy to compile source form [which is and was not] it would of been trivial to do a after market patch to not require iSCSCI) -- Aryeh M. 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I suspect the main issue are you NAS (file storage) or SAN > > > (block storage): > > > > Both have their uses and both are used heavily in large scale > > storage (tens of petabytes upwards). As always requirements dictate the > > best solution. > > > > > The point with OpenStack is the choice should of been left to the > user/admin instead they just out of the blue decided everything must be Yep such choices should always be left to the admin as long as they are real choices, which AFAICS this is. > the entire point of this subthread was to show that OpenStack picked wrong > and did so based on standard recommendations in the Linux community at the > time (2013-2014) and that those recommendations where/are still being made > and are demonstrably wrong. Following recommendations without understanding the reasons and consequences is not good engineering practice. Fortunately Linux (the kernel) and every Linux distribution I know of does a decent job of supporting NFS and even does as well as possible supporting CIFS (SMB) so both block and file based network storage are supported. There may be a vocal presence saying block is good and NFS is a disaster area in the Linux community (of course SMB/CIFS is intolerable too because it comes from Microsoft - who it hard to interoperate with). They can be safely ignored IMHO. > The other main point was to show why source > distrubtion is better then binary distrubtion (if OpenStack was available > in easy to compile source form [which is and was not] it would of been > trivial to do a after market patch to not require iSCSCI) Yep. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 09:25:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D412B2E94 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com (mail-wm1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BGTW4CGhz4Tlp for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id v4so1858942wme.1 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=j/YO5zv5pH1f1PvaonwJVc4xkHPU6N3gaF2ntuJ123g=; b=eGoj4R+OhGVNgVPUUvII0dP42x+zbOeydCCNg4D8c8UhKW4QN2RgeT4aB8Zzw72PwW 37bpQXJKomtMxhS4SNEtoF+jpoeXE27Vst6Kj7kIHX/rnhKGw+tApvTEaa1zsWU9O3oS 7YVaUU/54qCdhIK/LEAkq1OsfRHlbApxjXUyQ3uZtB0Igo8YP7Co4RxtppAzVY/4klfh 9NMMccvArAsELEfoba6nLR2Q5lzFtRkPXxxaXdRy220BI/fN1kVp3DRq05bhjeF4oiSm 4NCWIuYgCPfC9+RPL4i+sE74cZMSKnSOCo52EKc1C4zyyRkooHYvUEirq7BX7Jmre4RW 9NlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=j/YO5zv5pH1f1PvaonwJVc4xkHPU6N3gaF2ntuJ123g=; b=JJQAgy8bb+M2T9yDiyOW+L/gzqVMGFBhzjcy3tKpCrHLOBw5FgqB/Ljfer7H5TqlJV 3FdHcPpn3sNf4AYf2qNRWLJBE5jghxfaUMnFAI4MqPGHUNBYDQPXs20BaCRNAMFAjlgT jb/QqRHSuyybXohuJGVJk9g41f9B6YLXhjX/K8BE33EqHQ5SmXU2Ev6vCdv4Fy9wHbHz VbzDz+07OY+xPe20raaYaQrSOJSHgLzw7vgnRDd/500NRyqisLLREFBmBay6F8ztMMQn VH6gxQELawzIbjT4HnAyWWxlqMj/OYrdseTSUgdLE9q3QARepOHEDh3rwF48KGSvmSq2 iedQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaEzlnN0/Vvlbwdxj+pdCc3UUKjvCppAjyCHoisG9h/qN+2LOuN vPU3kwFl4QY9nZOUYHcHnalL7bIqE+3lkGOppUE39A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKTqv8TWo+R0b03dc95EiJUAJpFniFzxUwOTC62Cw8XqMcRn3D0GOSahdAn1oSE/T13yoGDhsJLfg+Rkf5OOuc= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4603:: with SMTP id t3mr3454719wma.103.1588065932749; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:25:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:24:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best source code hosting service for java port To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BGTW4CGhz4Tlp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=eGoj4R+O; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.44)[ip: (-9.38), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.32), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:25:36 -0000 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:44 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I am putting together a new java development tool port (unit testing) that > I wrote under FreeBSD and want to know what the preferred file/source code > hosting service is to use for making available from a widely known source. > I have casually looked at github (don't have an account yet). > Recommendations? After Microsoft acquired GitHUB some folks moved out to GitLAB the Open-Source solution :-) https://gitlab.com/ You can use the above as free or commercial platform (depending on the features needed). You can also make your own installation: https://about.gitlab.com/install/ I use both GitHub and GitLab but I always prefer the Open-Source stuff. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 09:41:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6462B34AD for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-pl1-x643.google.com (mail-pl1-x643.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::643]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BGqr49XXz4VPl for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-pl1-x643.google.com with SMTP id t16so8144133plo.7 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:41:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=28kQLQWvdUmVut5S/Kwz9k4YQhCNmLaF22VArodpIYs=; b=bMOEjPhf9aeQM1VvirLFu6SlyPV3lRn3Da+gJ1NrG8XR/SgqJsPPVd0q4v6z3Ss/Dv waydUhF0omfALoZUnqILfsEXF3FwpN1WUoPd8gdYD65PV3bF7/hl8Xxyc18NFrVevB0d tGtZ3C4Nnj1CK1yeND9uOYznV8FnL6XYLljN0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=28kQLQWvdUmVut5S/Kwz9k4YQhCNmLaF22VArodpIYs=; b=px2ClqZWnc4io6pJ12is8d1TI8aTxOPcqrn9APlagSl6hy6QwmbvxPDQJTtc7Px2vr rjavzWO5NJS9UIyw+Ow9HE3vTRNq+95T41NKnEuskn3izo03lgMyrxTXJD+22S96uOuH gvgrf+pGBSlcBzA3zVmYWXL7SxrLlOKuwY5+ubhyKPLlJwBJr5pNBXpMEbDNgDPbzPhO wX+k4JPzcIddFi8cNUqYJB1wQRjhH65vta18zP5PIUj45o2LjopO2//bUQFu/Lcwv58z Yg6YTiAyjGnjJJOizBxgdJypPLjLvUoC3cAabllJv6ttoy323GOmoupkmpPrEB4SF3LP CR9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZzOjNDq45C8Q06kXnJGksfAmfEhBl6DAuCqcvqhoxsaYWE6alK 65mO5f55AEOHzn95vjyFpGsWyqoIxw4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI+oBMH0UjuadPehUGDmHX5aqZeY7FvlXv5IckqRTzg/sfW1WEEW4kNU6ZfndG6Oq/C3dDvrA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a986:: with SMTP id a6mr26005164qvb.79.1588066574623; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. 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There's >> quantities of cruft that tends to build up over the years that this >> method will naturally get rid of. > >I think that is a very important aspect. In case you have a >"grown system", it might be possible that you will be building >or re-installing stuff that you _now_ don't need anymore. >For example, if your server runs application A, the version >used on 11.3 required libraries B and C. The current version >of A doesn't need B anymore, but you still will have it installed >because it was installed before. To avoid such a case, and if >you can and _want_ to do it, you can install a clean system >from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your >"top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and >all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as >they are needed. > >As it has been mentioned before, for ZFS systems, using a BE >is very convenient. Installing on a second disk is also an >option (so you'll always have a fallback "old state" system >that you can activate in case of problems). But of course there >is nothing wrong in using source-based upgrades or binary ones, >and rebuild everything that was installed before. All those >ideas have advantages and disadvantages, are possible or not >possible, and you have to decide for your specific setting and >intended use of the system. > >The single ultimate answer: It depends. :-) I like the idea of replacing the HD with a new disk and then trying to install the new FreeBSD version. I have a situation where I have a new PC that will not run FreeBSD 12.x. I am forced to use 11.x presently. I simply purchased a new identical HD and used that to try and install the newer 12.x version of STABLE when there is an update to see if that will work. If it fails, and it always does, I can install the original HD and be happily on my way. In any case, I would make a backup of any crucial 'config' files, so reinstalling your system on a new HD is relatively simple. I rarely agree with Poly, but in this case, I do concur with his reasoning that it will ease the cleanup of your system and removes potential pitfalls and security hazards. Good luck! -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 12:27:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780A82B8138 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from forward103p.mail.yandex.net (forward103p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BLWY748bz4fFX for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikitastepanov113@yandex.kz) Received: from forward100q.mail.yandex.net (forward100q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:4b:0:640:4012:bb97]) by forward103p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id EF3BA18C26BA for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:27:33 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mxback9q.mail.yandex.net (mxback9q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:6b:0:640:b813:52e4]) by forward100q.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id EA4727080004 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:27:33 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback9q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id Lkl5TzofUn-RX44Atul; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:27:33 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.kz; s=mail; t=1588076853; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=ZfYRqukyhApbc1C2OAVYV/DgqIVLYc5H8KFP5iHOhEof6W8P4zaypb0/taA/W+njg cQLs7ufed2RIxbkpi+fHr5ZYTWHLJCnVKEbVs+00lHD7iGsDjYHPHuiF6RPid8PKQW ZlvqU/GiTbvUQQSB4Ik8OzSKpF1vW/Bwxmd+crRU= Received: by vla1-d97dbca235a9.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:27:33 +0300 From: Nikita Stepanov Envelope-From: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Ufs driver for Windows? 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I thought that I probably should provide some additional information about the system in question. First of all, I have been updating it from src right along. Both the kernel and user level programs. Also, given the compact form factor of the system and that all of the drives in it are being used either by the root filesystems or the data storage itself. Here is the zpool output root@vader:1 /root> zpool status pool: stor state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 02:21:12 with 0 errors on Wed Apr 22 05:23:49 2020 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM stor ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 da0 ONLINE 0 0 0 da1 ONLINE 0 0 0 da2 ONLINE 0 0 0 da3 ONLINE 0 0 0 da4 ONLINE 0 0 0 da5 ONLINE 0 0 0 da6 ONLINE 0 0 0 da7 ONLINE 0 0 0 logs ada0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0 cache ada0s2 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: zroot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 00:00:20 with 0 errors on Wed Apr 22 03:02:58 2020 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zroot ONLINE 0 0 0 nvd0p4 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors So as you can see, zroot it on an NVMe m.2 device plugged into the motherboard and all of the other devices are being used by the stor pool. >From the description in the freebsd-update man page it appears that it doesn't support updating a STABLE or CURRENT level, only a RELEASE level so I assume that I will need to be updating via source. I suspect that I could also reinstall 12.1 over the existing NVMe drive as well, if that would be the most reliable approach. Note that the data in the stor zpool is truly a complete backup of my primary server and I could recreate it, but it's quite a lot of data and I'd really rather not have to do that. Thanks, Bob On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 03:01:11PM -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > Hi, > > What is the best way to update a system from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? This system > is a backup file server that I could reinstall if necessary, but I'd really like to > avoid having to do that. > > Any tips/ideas on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. > > Bob > > -- > Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to > bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. > Austin, TX | > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. 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To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <9945f3b9-0452-721b-e931-816bc7a044ae@FreeBSD.org> <20200427234150.9bb022df.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:51:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BPk10Sxxz3Kqx X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[ip: (0.23), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.23), asn: 16686(1.29), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.252,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.916,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:51:54 -0000 On 2020-04-28 00:00, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > >> from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your >> "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and >> all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as >> they are needed. > > Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list > of packages to install. Hm, that sounds like it could be quite useful for the way I typically do upgrades, but $ pkg leaf pkg: unknown command: leaf For more information on available commands and options see 'pkg help'. $ - and I'm afraid I can't spot a likely candidate for a typo in pkg(8). Please help!:-) Thanks --Per Hedeland From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 15:11:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40D82BC447 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BQ8t64n5z3M5f for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03SFBeVJ045398 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:11:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03SFBdEb045397; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:11:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:11:39 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Per Hedeland Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? Message-ID: <20200428151139.GC39823@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <9945f3b9-0452-721b-e931-816bc7a044ae@FreeBSD.org> <20200427234150.9bb022df.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BQ8t64n5z3M5f X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.14), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.16), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.75)[0.753,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:11:44 -0000 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-04-28 00:00, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > >> from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your > >> "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and > >> all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as > >> they are needed. > > > > Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list > > of packages to install. > > Hm, that sounds like it could be quite useful for the way I typically > do upgrades, but > > $ pkg leaf > pkg: unknown command: leaf > > For more information on available commands and options see 'pkg help'. > $ > > - and I'm afraid I can't spot a likely candidate for a typo in pkg(8). > > Please help!:-) I can't find any mention of a leaf command in the man page for pkg or its help output, but it does work on my systems. -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 15:17:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A702BC694 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BQJ02mvdz3MSL for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB64106A7; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:17:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? To: Bob Willcox , Per Hedeland Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <9945f3b9-0452-721b-e931-816bc7a044ae@FreeBSD.org> <20200427234150.9bb022df.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> <20200428151139.GC39823@rancor.immure.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:17:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200428151139.GC39823@rancor.immure.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BQJ02mvdz3MSL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.40)[ip: (-7.78), ipnet: 217.155.0.0/16(-3.89), asn: 13037(-0.27), country: GB(-0.07)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:17:53 -0000 On 28/04/2020 16:11, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >> On 2020-04-28 00:00, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 >>> Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your >>>> "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and >>>> all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as >>>> they are needed. >>> >>> Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list >>> of packages to install. >> >> Hm, that sounds like it could be quite useful for the way I typically >> do upgrades, but >> >> $ pkg leaf >> pkg: unknown command: leaf >> >> For more information on available commands and options see 'pkg help'. >> $ >> >> - and I'm afraid I can't spot a likely candidate for a typo in pkg(8). >> >> Please help!:-) > > I can't find any mention of a leaf command in the man page for pkg or its help output, > but it does work on my systems. > It's an alias defined in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. "pkg alias" should show the configured aliases. If you've edited pkg.conf at some point later updates won't touch it. The alias section of mine reads # Sample alias settings ALIAS : { all-depends: query %dn-%dv, annotations: info -A, build-depends: info -qd, cinfo: info -Cx, comment: query -i "%c", csearch: search -Cx, desc: query -i "%e", download: fetch, iinfo: info -ix, isearch: search -ix, prime-list: "query -e '%a = 0' '%n'", prime-origins: "query -e '%a = 0' '%o'", leaf: "query -e '%#r == 0' '%n-%v'", list: info -ql, noauto = "query -e '%a == 0' '%n-%v'", options: query -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", origin: info -qo, provided-depends: info -qb, rall-depends: rquery %dn-%dv, raw: info -R, rcomment: rquery -i "%c", rdesc: rquery -i "%e", required-depends: info -qr, roptions: rquery -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", shared-depends: info -qB, show: info -f -k, size: info -sq, } -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 15:59:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6302BDB78 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BRCn0QQdz3Q8M for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03SFxEVI045498 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:59:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03SFxD7T045497; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:59:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:59:13 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Arthur Chance Cc: Per Hedeland , "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? Message-ID: <20200428155913.GD39823@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <9945f3b9-0452-721b-e931-816bc7a044ae@FreeBSD.org> <20200427234150.9bb022df.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> <20200428151139.GC39823@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BRCn0QQdz3Q8M X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.14), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.74)[0.742,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:59:18 -0000 That explains it then. My system's copy of pkg.conf does contain the leaf alias. Bob On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 28/04/2020 16:11, Bob Willcox wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > >> On 2020-04-28 00:00, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 > >>> Polytropon wrote: > >>> > >>>> from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your > >>>> "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and > >>>> all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as > >>>> they are needed. > >>> > >>> Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list > >>> of packages to install. > >> > >> Hm, that sounds like it could be quite useful for the way I typically > >> do upgrades, but > >> > >> $ pkg leaf > >> pkg: unknown command: leaf > >> > >> For more information on available commands and options see 'pkg help'. > >> $ > >> > >> - and I'm afraid I can't spot a likely candidate for a typo in pkg(8). > >> > >> Please help!:-) > > > > I can't find any mention of a leaf command in the man page for pkg or its help output, > > but it does work on my systems. > > > > It's an alias defined in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. "pkg alias" should > show the configured aliases. If you've edited pkg.conf at some point > later updates won't touch it. The alias section of mine reads > > # Sample alias settings > ALIAS : { > all-depends: query %dn-%dv, > annotations: info -A, > build-depends: info -qd, > cinfo: info -Cx, > comment: query -i "%c", > csearch: search -Cx, > desc: query -i "%e", > download: fetch, > iinfo: info -ix, > isearch: search -ix, > prime-list: "query -e '%a = 0' '%n'", > prime-origins: "query -e '%a = 0' '%o'", > leaf: "query -e '%#r == 0' '%n-%v'", > list: info -ql, > noauto = "query -e '%a == 0' '%n-%v'", > options: query -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", > origin: info -qo, > provided-depends: info -qb, > rall-depends: rquery %dn-%dv, > raw: info -R, > rcomment: rquery -i "%c", > rdesc: rquery -i "%e", > required-depends: info -qr, > roptions: rquery -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", > shared-depends: info -qB, > show: info -f -k, > size: info -sq, > } > > > -- > Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too > much weight round the middle. -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 16:16:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513682BE89F for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BRbp26Hzz3xfh for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D27C80AA; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ku6Hi3G6cgkz; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD630C665F; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03SGGTSM002581 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:16:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? To: Arthur Chance , Bob Willcox Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <9945f3b9-0452-721b-e931-816bc7a044ae@FreeBSD.org> <20200427234150.9bb022df.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200427230003.06a4a2579fc941eae8497388@sohara.org> <3d0844aa-f591-f13e-a471-fcf6b7c40a22@hedeland.org> <20200428151139.GC39823@rancor.immure.com> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:16:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BRbp26Hzz3xfh X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[ip: (0.23), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.23), asn: 16686(1.29), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.24)[0.237,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.935,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:16:39 -0000 On 2020-04-28 17:17, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 28/04/2020 16:11, Bob Willcox wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >>> On 2020-04-28 00:00, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:41:50 +0200 >>>> Polytropon wrote: >>>> >>>>> from scratch, add your OS modifications, then install your >>>>> "top level ports" (the things you're intending to use), and >>>>> all required dependencies will be resolved automatically as >>>>> they are needed. >>>> >>>> Run pkg leaf on the existing system to get a first cut of the list >>>> of packages to install. >>> >>> Hm, that sounds like it could be quite useful for the way I typically >>> do upgrades, but >>> >>> $ pkg leaf >>> pkg: unknown command: leaf >>> >>> For more information on available commands and options see 'pkg help'. >>> $ >>> >>> - and I'm afraid I can't spot a likely candidate for a typo in pkg(8). >>> >>> Please help!:-) >> >> I can't find any mention of a leaf command in the man page for pkg or its help output, >> but it does work on my systems. >> > > It's an alias defined in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. "pkg alias" should > show the configured aliases. If you've edited pkg.conf at some point > later updates won't touch it. Thanks! For some reason I had pkg.conf.sample, but not pkg.conf (*may* be due to tinkering when the repo got b0rken recently) - now fixed. That just leaves(!) figuring out what the query arguments mean:-) (OK, I got it). --Per > The alias section of mine reads > > # Sample alias settings > ALIAS : { > all-depends: query %dn-%dv, > annotations: info -A, > build-depends: info -qd, > cinfo: info -Cx, > comment: query -i "%c", > csearch: search -Cx, > desc: query -i "%e", > download: fetch, > iinfo: info -ix, > isearch: search -ix, > prime-list: "query -e '%a = 0' '%n'", > prime-origins: "query -e '%a = 0' '%o'", > leaf: "query -e '%#r == 0' '%n-%v'", > list: info -ql, > noauto = "query -e '%a == 0' '%n-%v'", > options: query -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", > origin: info -qo, > provided-depends: info -qb, > rall-depends: rquery %dn-%dv, > raw: info -R, > rcomment: rquery -i "%c", > rdesc: rquery -i "%e", > required-depends: info -qr, > roptions: rquery -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov", > shared-depends: info -qB, > show: info -f -k, > size: info -sq, > } > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 18:27:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9372C1654 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BVW24l3Gz45pT for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bigus.dream-tech.com (bigus.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.7]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03SIRZGj061613 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:27:34 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) Message-ID: <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 6) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.2-jetcafeglobal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BVW24l3Gz45pT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dave@jetcafe.org designates 205.147.26.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@jetcafe.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jetcafe.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7397, ipnet:205.147.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:27:43 -0000 On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 13:33:21 -0500 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On 4/25/20 12:57 PM, Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 2020-04-25 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > >> I join you and ask list moderators to ban that person from the list. > > > > freebsd-questions is on news.gmane.io, so you can use a news > > reader, like e.g. slrn to kill file authors, threads, etc., > > that you don't want to see. In slrn it takes just two key > > strokes to do that! Maybe that is better than to crank up your > > blood pressure over some single individual? ;) > However, that only will cover me, mitigate my own annoyance. ...and preserve your honor. > This will > not cover spreading of misinformation through well respected mail list > to my regret allowing itself to be abused. It will not cover people I > respect and routinely get help from from being abused by disrespectful > (to name it the mildest) person on this respected mail list. I personally find it quite difficult to glean complete information from moderated mailing lists. What usually happens is that the human bias of the moderator(s) prevents the dissemination of some information and the mailing list becomes useless except as a window to the worldviews and information the moderators deem worthy. As to the people you get help from, I daresay most of them have been around the block on this and aren't even paying attention to this thread. I personally feel you have to give others (especially those of science) the chance to reject information themselves, and not try to "protect" them from anything. Down that road is madness. :) Note well that the person you are up in arms against serves a useful purpose by demonstrating that almost anyone can raise a topic here, and thus giving a strong indicator that more complete information is available on this list. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< Listening to eyewitness descriptions of an event you saw yourself, you might begin to wonder about this thing we call "history". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 19:13:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987612C25FB for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from mail.vex.net (mail.vex.net [98.158.139.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BWWz61jgz49Gy for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from dilbert.druid.net (unknown [98.160.82.41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darcy) by mail.vex.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86C437FC04 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> From: D'Arcy Cain Autocrypt: addr=darcy@druid.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXno+ARYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAR2o17zm/M442SONWLjdQ/8Jpro8TbnUm/m1r4MHhygS0 HUQnQXJjeSBDYWluIDxkYXJjeUBkcnVpZC5uZXQ+iJYEExYIAD4WIQQZ0YBgv7psnnP4U/Hh AAd6d7lwwgUCXno+AQIbAwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDhAAd6 d7lwwvvTAQCfxQvyB5M06arZ2cL4LDj0wVxG9ay0PTR+qrQQ9DhevAD+I7W9XlbX6qL3gfDe A0wmuPKWrdSRWEcagXI1sGSC3Ay4OAReej4BEgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdAbPzu0iryH2ph9hjN L+Cu1Wo85QbDLV174RHCnjmD5WMDAQgHiH4EGBYIACYWIQQZ0YBgv7psnnP4U/HhAAd6d7lw wgUCXno+AQIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRDhAAd6d7lwwhb/AQD/8Vd7zTK1s3g4bFCApa3W4zSqUa3/ 9trMr0wfaEOngAEA8iWgHnExoVEdLo9542+dJ8K0L7ntWdfIZLgCXK/2OQ8= Message-ID: <842ac760-ae65-595c-9268-f395c5e9c025@druid.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:13:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rhc3SyNIryahY4BWmNfLkXb9bZwZIozN3" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BWWz61jgz49Gy X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darcy@druid.net has no SPF policy when checking 98.158.139.68) smtp.mailfrom=darcy@druid.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.98)[ip: (-5.92), ipnet: 98.158.139.0/24(-2.96), asn: 19842(-0.91), country: CA(-0.09)]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19842, ipnet:98.158.139.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[druid.net]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:13:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Rhc3SyNIryahY4BWmNfLkXb9bZwZIozN3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="YhxZ7pYjMwuBVosvyRviE0KRrnI63CjpK" --YhxZ7pYjMwuBVosvyRviE0KRrnI63CjpK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2020-04-28 13:27, Dave Hayes wrote: > I personally find it quite difficult to glean complete information from= > moderated mailing lists. What usually happens is that the human bias of= the > moderator(s) prevents the dissemination of some information and the mai= ling > list becomes useless except as a window to the worldviews and informati= on the > moderators deem worthy. I run a few lists, PyGreSQL for example, and I use moderation like this; Every person joining the list is moderated by default. The first time someone posts I get the email, decide if it is an abuser or spammer and, if not, I approve the posting and remove the moderation bit. If you are on one of my lists you basically never see spam but users are posting unimpeded. It's very little work for me as most people don't post anyway and I only have to deal with new posters once. Sometimes I implement that on an existing list. In that case I simply leave everyone unmoderated and only block new users. The assumption is that if you are already on the list you are probably not a spammer. --=20 D'Arcy J.M. 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I do not have installed Python 2.7 but today I want to update Firefox to version 76.0,1 and it pull me Python 2.7. I have checkmarks on DBUS, FFMPEG, GCONF, OPTIMAZED_CFLAGS, PROFILE and SNDIO. make =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nspr>=3D4.25 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nss>=3D3.51.1 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: icu>=3D64.1,1 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libevent>=3D2.1.8 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: harfbuzz>=3D2.6.4 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: graphite2>=3D1.3.14 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: png>=3D1.6.35 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libvpx>=3D1.8.2 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: py37-sqlite3>0 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: v4l_compat>0 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: autoconf-2.13 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: nasm - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: yasm - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: zip - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: llvm90>0 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust-cbindgen>=3D0.13.1 - f= ound =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust>=3D1.41 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python3.7 - fou= nd =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: node - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/clang90 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libnotify>0 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/include/sndio.h - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: gmake - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libiconv>=3D1.14_11 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: pkgconf>=3D1.3.0_1 - found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - not found =3D=3D=3D> NOTICE: This port is deprecated; you may wish to reconsider installing it: EOLed upstream. It is scheduled to be removed on or after 2020-12-31. =3D=3D=3D> python27-2.7.17_1 has known vulnerabilities: python27-2.7.17_1 is vulnerable: Python -- Regular Expression DoS attack against client CVE: CVE-2020-8492 WWW: https://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/freebsd/a27b0bb6-84fc-11ea-b5b4-641c67a117d8.html 1 problem(s) in 1 installed package(s) found. =3D> Please update your ports tree and try again. =3D> Note: Vulnerable ports are marked as such even if there is no update available. =3D> If you wish to ignore this vulnerability rebuild with 'make DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=3Dyes' *** Error code 1 Why I need it Python 2.7, please? Thank you. --=20 Ernst Lubitsch=E2=80=99s Ninotchka:=20 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Waiter! A cup of coffee without cream, please!=E2=80=99 = =E2=80=98I=E2=80=99m sorry, sir, we have no cream, only milk, so can it be a coffee without milk?=E2=80=99=E2= =80=9D=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 01:31:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F982CA7E3 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Bgvb6V4vz4Xc1 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.34.94]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MQgtC-1jrAp43nRW-00NlpJ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 03:31:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 03:31:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Nikita Stepanov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ufs driver for Windows? 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Some users will filter for empty messages (as possible spam) and therefore not recognize your question, Furthermore you should probably ask this question on a mailing list (or better a web forum) related to "Windows". However, I know that there's a program called "UFS Explorer" (I used the free version once - it worked!), primarily used for data recovery, as well as "ufs2tools" that support reading files from UFS volumes. Also check this article mentioning "Crossmeta FUSE": https://www.crossmeta.io/how-to-mount-ufs2-on-windows/ Always keep in mind that "Windows" support for filesystems others than FAT and NTFS is quite restricted, especially if you want write support. Installing the required tools is not a simple point & click task, but it's still possible to do with a bit of work, even though it's not a trivial task. You can still get good results, depending on what you need to do with UFS filesystems... The forum thread from 2008 http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=289 additionally mentions those: http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/ http://ufs2tools.sourceforge.net/ http://ffs.szm.sk/en/index.html Use your favorite search engine for more inspiration. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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It will not cover people I > > respect and routinely get help from from being abused by disrespectful > > (to name it the mildest) person on this respected mail list. > > I personally find it quite difficult to glean complete information from > moderated mailing lists. What usually happens is that the human bias of the > moderator(s) prevents the dissemination of some information and the mailing > list becomes useless except as a window to the worldviews and information > the > moderators deem worthy. > The other problem with any sort of moderation is my troll is your fine upstanding list member and your troll is my "friend". What I mean is everyone who was calling me a troll (deserved or not) was defending someone who arguably had even ruder behavior then I did. For example while being blunt I made a serious effort to never attack anyone personally. "Only an idiot" does not attack the person directly it is an attack on a mindset/loosely defined group of people while one of the "cool kids" (according to the reaction of a few other people) on the list made very direct and personal attacks on me with comments like "you are not qualified" (without without any attempt to specify I was not qualified in, thus making it a blanket and deeply personally insulting comment). Therefore if you going to label one person a troll based on behavior then you need to (if you are intellectually honest) label all such behavior trollish regardless of source. This requires objectivity to an extremely rare degree, ant thus is very unlikely to be found in any single person/moderator or small group thereof. Also it would require a very specific and detailed list of rules and behavioral expectations to give the moderators a standard to judge by, -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 02:42:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1026F2CC1CB for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BjV06l3tz4bv6 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1588128151; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=5pVRwqJDNVB6EF10JQVZ9lc4a5U=; b=qu8aYQvjnRNbtRkoAZRLUSARRek6hG7Ikq5TY2TwT+oPUMJXkjRUfoszYaLlRENp tKEFqpPxCslY1CJP4lQt35Il17AXBwM/2C57yV61iGh15OsE0H4/jdM3Q634sg1V dM9zn2S2U/EYQvAmGU5QL2g+rDXzNE6p3nPi4T2NPq4+HYJ4ar5fqdPEEWbooiMb 9zwh+orwQfq34f6LQ8wua69KWDs5frSAqZSACYKXmCzCHWsHGEX9IqYxpUNLlcgQ xPYGLtQBTuGztOW/WZGm8VHOMO4FoLL2frzn7ILrrXUOYDEu71XaGDjynw0f6/gh dol0zBBK9RAKTmhWrkp2WA==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Z5uS40ZA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=cl8xLZFz6L8A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=7Y_SXBUtJnxAJSKk4u4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:31796] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id C9/40-10869-799E8AE5; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:42:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24232.59798.585406.321666@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:42:30 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: ajtiM Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Firefox 76.0,1 In-Reply-To: <20200428191142.5cf10bbc@dismail.de> References: <20200428191142.5cf10bbc@dismail.de> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BjV06l3tz4bv6 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[78.97.168.69.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:42:34 -0000 ajtiM via freebsd-questions writes: > I do not have installed Python 2.7 but today I want to update Firefox > to version 76.0,1 and it pull me Python 2.7. > I have checkmarks on DBUS, FFMPEG, GCONF, OPTIMAZED_CFLAGS, PROFILE and > SNDIO. > make > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nspr>=4.25 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nss>=3.51.1 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: icu>=64.1,1 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libevent>=2.1.8 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: harfbuzz>=2.6.4 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: graphite2>=1.3.14 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: png>=1.6.35 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libvpx>=1.8.2 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: py37-sqlite3>0 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: v4l_compat>0 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: autoconf-2.13 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: nasm - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: yasm - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: zip - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: llvm90>0 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust-cbindgen>=0.13.1 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust>=1.41 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python3.7 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: node - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/clang90 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libnotify>0 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/include/sndio.h - > found ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libiconv>=1.14_11 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: pkgconf>=1.3.0_1 - found > ===> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - not _If_ I have this right: Firefox requires pkgconf ... which - if DOCS=yes - requires ImageMagic ... which requires (in your case) python 2.7. See if you can rebuild your versiou of ImageMagic against python 3.7, and this should go away. Respectfully, Robert Huff -- Get it right: _physical_ distancing; _social_ cohesion From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 06:52:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2FE2A9D35 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Bq2l6qPQz3LLT for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Pxo_SM4VM1kkw64MJQWfQxLPxncrBhrfg7PEOB0CkmhdX_wsPICi2JYKzrniqLN vW4w_hXxqv8nDwtj9pQvf79pOBD1e3nZimpW_Hwce6mRS1kCGCDmBv_ZxYften.kh8UQ8DrcGsX1 0irsvnqfDiRNRCF01sY1q.8XXVAzfKyKSKox_DgrJyo1uKHaSNOFIU6QsVLId1N8ayPA2r1ERIzm 2ZSn44TRzqFYGQM4DVmZD8Gf6wvXWyHECsZbysCS.reTesBPFTBaKMHCH.rGb3v5EOq4djlFowIK Mr8SIVRw3gEX0RhmzKyadc0Y.PAn9PxEk3ynPX_EIRAgHNFV3avRRxaYdX2LlZkVY_OlibtS4LiQ xhRF17oEZFXc5fC8BdS2pGcXRevgoqGaKjbUxN6JUMLM8MoABBk9V5XGEm6oOtPA4h24XSY2ctuL _lx4FUSsBVkNjUIn6wSb104TeE81KzyGCl7m0grM4oA5yGToNFg_F6BI.j7K9mIkTw6c9CbEjO7t cNnuBBG0Ixwj0GIdaiuIDbwVUpoc_lKGdH1JelDxxudP2xSWe_b6ljmA_CHMFvl5c_jcddFa5sjQ GO79bVf2DQuZw4bVmfijVV3kquwAvZvf1.8X1TBwa0pR8mBpKvc5PrWx3DiZyG90NCC2wsfBtGZI jsbtb0Gd1i0wfClCfnKTX1VvKHJlEOCcnUbvxIueW_is1JN6hXQLrDd1BJly.0RhwyH6tpH814.r hLQjct18dLHqcaHx2nPwCB9s1S0TRMzpS6Rwku8gEOfq4x6aLPBB2oJRep0kqZzUyNieHySZpE3o srR8Oyu4aspyyRrfasmTLIWfELBZb5HLsUVrTjSPcdwr19KaWSXCzDaYGWRn7uyvHC534t08FZDI RtwLD1ZdVvBJD_ECQVaD9gO2jaERXC8HXZGiMgUZvDKVSfehmmWnDj80aHIKVZQprhZ5A0jxcCgv d9PbB0.qDMxlpNqpUWbpiamKDVc5W0__GKZUipD4aDLDZVUmV1kEysMdDjXvhE9ukR7DjC5My14_ Q4EifyBGpe1YSBy863gWgLLmFP_yg2Aj.4949sCPONh4aE.IPMYE33e_e1AyvpE7mJh3TwB4lwak fGpBKdsX6pL9SwlZupbWCWWzvYnkhbClPH.YCveEmjRL8ILRDSInNyS6Sm0_vjd56T7lAcvRTcQ_ 7kvk_LqNpyud8wG4M4FHqnWg7XT_qBmm2B2e38esoX51vyvFvHwBglygRO4Z2lsbgv7IuV8hP.aj cHiMFzG.XGNgMgIvmSvawLEeYSDW5F7KV37Y2GjGp7fZZ7yIWM6v_jlQZdwLxo0AViZRST..qTVB 5xqPZ_tYSXOBhEG_BJncQxNdjq4VnYdlQw1XeIX7Tklnj5Tee3iYy_LMQWRxDlrAHOSi6ois1d3T sHVFUk.mfHeV0GBLn2kA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:45 +0000 Received: by smtp412.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e1079cc85d01c18aa71b78254d6dec17; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:52:47 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) Message-ID: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Bq2l6qPQz3LLT X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.61 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (6.20), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.11), asn: 34010(1.67), country: GB(-0.07)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.316,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.20)[0.201,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[146.179.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:50 -0000 Hi, I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue spreading FUD. Every now and then off-topic threads are nice to read, as long as they aren't the reason for dispeace. The moderation bit could be used to sort out emails with continued threads, that do not belong to this list and that in addition do cause dispeace. It doesn't require to ban a subscriber or subscribers from the list. A long discussion regarding legal questions, done by laymen, might belong to https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat . OTOH tinfoil hat theories including insults about bad intentions behind FLOSS licenses, are probably unwelcome on any FLOSS related mailing list. The OP of the threads in question does add insults and preposterous allegation to his opinions. At the moment nobody seems to be upset about other opinions, it's just that the tone of voice let those opinions become unreasonable. I can't speak for other, but I like one or the other license better than the GPL. What I dispute are the conclusions based upon infamous misrepresentations. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/author.html#start Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 08:23:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760A22AC0E2; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Bs3V3nwjz3Qhy; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id r2so1598526ilo.6; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:23:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2zezUAP1x+3fFYTHXa3gVs1gQGEI4tNZk5cJLOv3OLQ=; b=PfYr49NizfWZ+pSGRS1mshpEUPy9OHOq5n5FRlkj4/IqSpn+53bHZGmzVhbHvmysHX dku8qax6AHqgNWAQaeiP5QZ1kLtpolHV1SQa9eJ5bfgr8vjH9p9WvNhYp2ezPAdBKbHL ML1wwj3i0ebs8EZCUK5OXf9gudtU2miQhX5DxACrcN/HqEAHuK1oZrh1LafxSXGRl04R hLxcIVp7oe0494544H9KTGuC5jQgQ8GXjUUjVBTwHpiytMzmmPi9uYCuyiob/Qzy+K5Q dF11iylNroTqcrQYahTqLn5kn4uwTkS1up3wC7uAUJMNudPpa47KgPxv9le4QPmLo8/I QDPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2zezUAP1x+3fFYTHXa3gVs1gQGEI4tNZk5cJLOv3OLQ=; b=YSU36eYEysJdqD2VLvLsPO/hAe13qGAx34KiB9Pct0LwvYhqrkrtLhOP3vbjJ4ZYvF fjB6M7REh6ehgDMOOFyOl8pckyjzL4gBeklUV6HLF57FPN+b+ca3qjarqr4qty/+Wern 5P+guNNEmCa70GiKAgpyCWEXIcllg9MPsrI3YF47Krs+G+mWf9hqltRGb3qEsfOjHXHt /CokKBIF298gw1ZBGirVXIZi4mS0EEcMxmBPguclx3pNN1lIYyKAJFgHp99u99vI7/rf dztjCr+oucnRhJRITCWzTOU2xh+BS1KgGUjl/05Y2DWQyTvj2+FUXIoiJZ+mCXdvZHdr fzdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pua/YYpX4qccDr4UeLr76//E75XeaNFxFEirDknxz9/+IEYSjmIa c6zVBWrztgqjmb4k8mWl10S/uA7CEpwfOpjQ0Ls= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ9WfgXEMiDgnOl4KiPm5ea0z8jZkiqAQ9iwZ1EP02xxsEL8ohHJ3ttx7O0c4W4jD1dOKsIWCufg/8hHpua8Vo= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5e16:: with SMTP id s22mr31698758ilb.81.1588148613116; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:23:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Bs3V3nwjz3Qhy X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PfYr49Ni; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[9]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.57), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:23:35 -0000 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever > was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person > In all the time you and I have been on the list we have had no issue til recently. The earliest post of mine I can find is from Sep. 2007 ( https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-September/157968.html). And my FreeBSD experience goes all the way back to 1995 (2.0.5), my BSD experience goes back to 1985 with 42BSD, when I worked with/for two members of the 386BSD team which was forked to become FreeBSD. BTW I am sure I am not the rudest person (by any stretch of the imagination) to be on this list. For example one of the two people mentioned earlier (Jess Monroy, whose actions are well known thus not a personal attack on him... he is my friend after all) managed to annoy the 386BSD crowd so much that they forked it into FreeBSD. I first used Linux in 1993 when starting one of the first commercial grade ISP's in Los Angeles. I spent the better part of the earl 2000's attempting to find a loophole in GPL that allowed for commercial use without violating the spirit/letter of the license (hint: not possible without a dual license) and finally gave up in 2008 and switched back to using the BSD license for my work. But enough about background since it does not serve any purpose except for being evidence against your claims about me personally (being a newbie who is in some general unspecified way "unqualified"). The list has calmed down a lot since those days and until 6 months or so ago was nice and peaceful until a new round of "Linux is better than FreeBSD... get with the times or be left in the dust" type posts came around. This is when many Linux fanatics (not naming names since I am talking about the general trend not the specific posts) started coming onto the list and saying stuff that was simply not true about the BSD license or GPL. If any one person took that as a personal attack then they misread my comments completely (again it was a comment on a general mindset / loosely defined group of people). should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting > with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on > this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing > list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about > "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue > spreading FUD. > Name a specific person I said was "evil" or a FreeBSD "hater". This is completely different than you directing the comment "You are just unqualified." ( https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/288864.htmlat me and not qualifying what you said about what I was unqualified at or that you where not directing the remark at me personally. BTW Calling a discussion argument "FUD" is a way of peremptorily dismissing someone's concerns without addressing them. Thus it is another personal attack and not a valid civilized debate tactic. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 13:20:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6042B3DBF for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BzfC1rTSz4Bxf for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.224]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BE344E680 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BzfC1rTSz4Bxf X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[224.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.832,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[ip: (0.27), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.14), asn: 160(0.11), country: US(-0.05)]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.908,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:36 -0000 On 4/29/20 1:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi, > > I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever > was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person > should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting > with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on > this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing > list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about > "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue > spreading FUD. > > Every now and then off-topic threads are nice to read, as long as they > aren't the reason for dispeace. The moderation bit could be used to > sort out emails with continued threads, that do not belong to this list > and that in addition do cause dispeace. It doesn't require to ban a > subscriber or subscribers from the list. A long discussion regarding > legal questions, done by laymen, might belong to > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat . OTOH tinfoil > hat theories including insults about bad intentions behind FLOSS > licenses, are probably unwelcome on any FLOSS related mailing list. > > The OP of the threads in question does add insults and preposterous > allegation to his opinions. At the moment nobody seems to be upset about > other opinions, it's just that the tone of voice let those opinions > become unreasonable. I can't speak for other, but I like one or the > other license better than the GPL. What I dispute are the conclusions > based upon infamous misrepresentations. > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/author.html#start Ralf, my observations are as yours. I do know your name and names of several other people that person offending as I routinely read yours their insightful posts on the list. I do not know the name of this person, - did not until I read first of his recent rude posts. Alas, FreeBSD lists have this unbelievable tolerance to abusers since forever, and they will not change - I learned that long ago. The only thing that comes to my mind in this our case are the words of greatest writer Mark Twain (Samuel Clemence): “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Valeri > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 13:27:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A702B41D9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c1000406144c.fbd3ca59563363562b59c844559a614f@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Bznc6s0bz4CPv for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c1000406144c.fbd3ca59563363562b59c844559a614f@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1588166821; x=1590758821; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=3EnIHKdcEF4UROXG4joEGEFyTwVn6xN8T/Nn4It17lg=; b=JCxxELazfi6nSxl0C0BqYhgbpA06/kq7xk/qZqRcApUYEfM5rLeyUk92somx7JVeC/35TcmzRZQVRXlpWSxpty0wAJGVs5FhUiGmpjygtY8PNDveZVY8JlSvYxrpg3YLdoATmwKFtiD8+qfPYrqhPlix9jvjCTlCXg3HPrCwGJk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDQwNjE0NGMuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:26:51 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:26:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jTmjh-00057u-Ve for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:26:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:26:49 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? 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Most of us treat them the same as any other thread we're not interested in and ignore them (most of the time anyway). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 15:05:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020D62B7B5D for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C1yn3Gj6z4L6F for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; bh=widXj+skH8m0pyGe3tveWK4nfsmNEKtwehHu56xEGwY=; b=UXntxJTYXp6HXlY/VnEGx4hYI5 SHriedAjzOFXIVhw90Ocy5gXGZeWVU4Rn+R8uzzwjq+yZIThDeDfMhMYoJfSb1ya0qwLESanlRanE dP4EC/Zqj3iNubR7xuCcC/p7cSbuFWhKm7TKMc4A7TyAhyb402gYKw34SFdUdoTRR3VE=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jToGg-0000Qq-Ej for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:04:58 +0700 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:04:58 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: sysutils/screen and its now default "screen.xterm-256color" terminal type Message-ID: <20200429150458.GA1475@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C1yn3Gj6z4L6F X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=UXntxJTY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.24)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.30), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:05:07 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, Have you noticed that the recent versions of sysutils/screen force the setting of $TERM to "screen.xterm-256color"? FreeBSD does not know this terminal type, which leads to different errors in programs running under screen ("using dumb terminal" etc). I've opened a PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D246029 but the maintainer is too quick to close it IMHO. 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IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.83), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:22:02 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Have you noticed that the recent versions of sysutils/screen force the > setting of $TERM to "screen.xterm-256color"? FreeBSD does not know this > terminal type, which leads to different errors in programs running under > screen ("using dumb terminal" etc). > > I've opened a PR > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246029 but the > maintainer is too quick to close it IMHO. > > Does anyone care to view/comment on the PR? $ screen --version Screen version 4.08.00 (GNU) 05-Feb-20 Not a screen user myself, I just installed the latest screen from ports to check, and not seeing this behavior: without ~/.screenrc I get $TERM of "screen", and with "term xterm256-color" in ~/.screenrc I get exactly that in $TERM. What are your other related settings? Or could it be stale system-wide configuration somewhere, stale patches? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 15:27:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FE52B8732 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C2Sq499jz4McB for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id k1so3059145wrx.4 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=309n/Ly7gcLAB3dGDyR1LQU19i2Xp5fyUfmqpRipeDg=; b=X/VBhS4NzqQWQRiKCHzJfRGOn9iFig1m2OgmiMUkSXInaiIURK+75eX9zZmfb3eiyB feOk0eU+b6W3n8CjRsPNh35tnIQVhWSFM1ZkfeTmfjluFNxkoKewfY8rUX3DZ+Psy+UC AQV+AVKu5PQAtzP42lpRERFr4clCoUZ93qPvATkMHoOsv6ra6fKj0Mg8VVj5F+tTYoKF ZNeSfaaChuhTizkoNneNw8SDraIDWc2de8JzqIIMe7NfSKW1gGo1QSPtDKIWljIN+/lh SbAEnbhvqSfdUnIrm0IM6mk8E4aB5BZ9zAC+wNFdYSceLiBcAafx6DVBqIOAIQIgy5a4 dXew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=309n/Ly7gcLAB3dGDyR1LQU19i2Xp5fyUfmqpRipeDg=; b=PpYhqEEegT6hK2+VJZS0UohS6X6kd66mg3y/CGARztbA4EcJJZDfEmuXEHUSB5CIWn vzV9YMr9Kl2IuQj3xBiZaigBaNU9Nvko+jyb8K/8IZoVlVKvxNEBeRo7LJTr4MBApQGp e3Pegv2bjgcmab9kqEkjgBmdEtnYHvlYE3L4DmSy5g/lztNFMRVrTzrAMu3XM1RhLQHF 9P4p8hqVmwNg+dd1wDIRQw6ufhSdU8j19/vyf33FXw6ADH/vN3AR7Zxzw9wMgiHavqHb 5aKTWNaja93ujGR0kA9nDpao/x3/sIlnE2XPdbzG7lZzw7jajMxrAIyaaGlnoQa96dsA ZWGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuagOd/Yk3ZbKtCCe+0GrIoK1gI75CVcsAhVcPeSfR4aufAWKFXR SBcgDp32sNUzXENGAftQd4ijfyEQjR6MC60QGpjpGRZYCtc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJxeZDEnzjzjxQU/SaYW6DO9CwA7a7RUE+lCiAEqTWI1xqSA88J1jiofpib4aDk9oAFqAtcfz+ujdDCD0WjO64= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6582:: with SMTP id q2mr40157763wru.343.1588174057467; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200429150458.GA1475@admin.sibptus.ru> In-Reply-To: <20200429150458.GA1475@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:26:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: sysutils/screen and its now default "screen.xterm-256color" terminal type To: Victor Sudakov Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C2Sq499jz4McB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=X/VBhS4N; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::429) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.42)[ip: (-9.32), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.32), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:27:40 -0000 After I found out TMUX I have never used screen anymore :-) TMUX can not only store your session in the background, create new windows, etc etc, but also split your terminal in horizontal and vertical directions. This is amazing to work on large resolution screens (even text mode uefi stuff), will also store your working session when Xorg crash or you simply loose remote connection, and works amazingly fine with UTF-8 terminal. You can have VIM (with split windows), shell, compiler, and debugger, all on one terminal screen! You operate tmux almost the same as screen except Ctrl-B is the prefix not Ctrl-A :-) https://github.com/tmux/tmux/wiki -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 15:50:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5F42B9527 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C2zG3zdkz4QnX for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.134] (helo=smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jToyj-0000zJ-0d; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:50:29 +0200 Received: from 84-25-247-31.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=smtp.boosten.org) by smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jToy6-0001eA-KJ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:49:50 +0200 Received: from amon.boosten.org (amon.boosten.org [192.168.13.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 899B210570; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:49:49 +0200 (CEST) From: freebsd@boosten.org Message-Id: <5E3B5C80-D34F-4DE3-ADB0-5C6231AA9DF9@boosten.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: sysutils/screen and its now default "screen.xterm-256color" terminal type Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:49:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List To: Tomasz CEDRO References: <20200429150458.GA1475@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=bMGN3M2Z c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=cl8xLZFz6L8A:10 a=GUfD1UccAAAA:8 a=xC04dQRTgYHkIfuMfuMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=f12skzL4NhsA:10 a=hT0gh2zCJDgA:10 a=USIufK69GNi5UyjI:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=-EiQn41SfbDD0E51JUit:22 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C2zG3zdkz4QnX X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[boosten.org:s=myselector]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.54.32.0/19]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[boosten.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[boosten.org,quarantine]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.30)[ipnet: 212.54.32.0/20(-4.08), asn: 33915(-2.47), country: NL(0.03)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[169.42.54.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[31.247.25.84.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33915, ipnet:212.54.32.0/20, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:50:40 -0000 > Op 29 apr. 2020, om 17:26 heeft Tomasz CEDRO het = volgende geschreven: >=20 > TMUX can not only store your session in the background, create new > windows, etc etc, but also split your terminal in horizontal and > vertical directions. Hmm, screen does the same thing. 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(Troll bait) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> <20200429142649.af911873e65f8596153ced45@sohara.org> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:50:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200429142649.af911873e65f8596153ced45@sohara.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms090902020003090602050207" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C2zl3jZmz4RDq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=radel.com header.s=20170108.radel header.b=wt69294T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=radel.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@radel.com designates 70.184.242.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@radel.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[radel.com:s=20170108.radel]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:70.184.242.160/28]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[radel.com]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[radel.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[radel.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.942,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(0.41)[asn: 22773(2.11), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.184.240.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:51:05 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090902020003090602050207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 4/29/20 09:26, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:27 -0500 > Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> Alas, FreeBSD lists have this unbelievable tolerance to abusers since = >> forever, and they will not change - I learned that long ago. > Most of us treat them the same as any other thread we're not > interested in and ignore them (most of the time anyway). > Quite.=C2=A0 I've paid enough attention to notice that the religious wars= seem to have moved on to heartfelt arguments about who is more worthy of excommunication.=C2=A0 I've been vaguely considering twiddling with my ki= ll file but that's such a bother in my MUA. 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I'm actually running FreeNAS 11.3, but I assume this relates to the underlying system. I have a motherboard with two built-in NICs. These appear as em0 and igb0. I'm just wondering why these are created with different drivers, instead of as em0 and em1 or igb0 and igb1. Is this something I have any control over? (I originally came to this question when I was considering using link aggregation with LACP, and it's recommended to do this only with the same NIC driver. I've subsequently decided not to do this, but remain curious about the underlying driver issue.) If it's relevant, the output of lspci for the Ethernet controllers only: $ sudo lspci -v [...] 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM (rev 31) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 15b7 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at df100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [d0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [e0] PCI Advanced Features 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 1533 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19 Memory at df000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) I/O ports at e000 Memory at df080000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+ Capabilities: [70] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=5 Masked- Capabilities: [a0] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting Capabilities: [140] Device Serial Number d0-50-99-ff-ff-c1-f6-ab Capabilities: [1a0] Transaction Processing Hints Thanks. 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To: jester@panix.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200429165235.GA17720@panix.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:46:14 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200429165235.GA17720@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49C5Xm462bz4Z3W X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.com header.s=fm2 header.b=EaZ3LgbI; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=k9Hxop9f; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ypankov@fastmail.com designates 66.111.4.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ypankov@fastmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[28.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:66.111.4.28:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fastmail.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[fastmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[217.207.174.85.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[fastmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[28.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[217.207.174.85.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[fastmail.com:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.812,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.991,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.83), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:46:17 -0000 jester@panix.com wrote: > > This is (I think) a basic networking hardware question. I'm actually running FreeNAS 11.3, but I assume this relates to the underlying system. > > I have a motherboard with two built-in NICs. These appear as em0 and igb0. I'm just wondering why these are created with different drivers, instead of as em0 and em1 or igb0 and igb1. Is this something I have any control over? > > (I originally came to this question when I was considering using link aggregation with LACP, and it's recommended to do this only with the same NIC driver. I've subsequently decided not to do this, but remain curious about the underlying driver issue.) The two were merged starting with FreeBSD 12.0 under the "em" name; I don't know the exact historical reasons those were separate though. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 21:18:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B2D2C2D5E for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CBFL1Xmxz3L9t for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 001ddd36; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b6eb8fb1; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a9d78520; 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.20)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 78.46.0.0/15(0.50), asn: 24940(-1.55), country: DE(-0.02)]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[134.223.46.78.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:18:15 -0000 On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:42:30 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: >=20 > ajtiM via freebsd-questions writes: >=20 > > I do not have installed Python 2.7 but today I want to update > > Firefox to version 76.0,1 and it pull me Python 2.7. > > I have checkmarks on DBUS, FFMPEG, GCONF, OPTIMAZED_CFLAGS, > > PROFILE and SNDIO. > > make > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nspr>=3D4.25 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: nss>=3D3.51.1 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: icu>=3D64.1,1 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libevent>=3D2.1.8 - fo= und > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: harfbuzz>=3D2.6.4 - fo= und > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: graphite2>=3D1.3.14 - = found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: png>=3D1.6.35 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libvpx>=3D1.8.2 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: py37-sqlite3>0 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: v4l_compat>0 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: autoconf-2.13 - fou= nd > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: nasm - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: yasm - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: zip - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: llvm90>0 - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust-cbindgen>=3D0.13.= 1 - > > found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: rust>=3D1.41 - fo= und > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python3.7 - > > found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: node - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/clang90 - > > found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libnotify>0 - fou= nd > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/include/sndio.= h - > > found =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on executable: gmake - found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: libiconv>=3D1.14_11 - = found > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on package: pkgconf>=3D1.3.0_1 - f= ound > > =3D=3D=3D> firefox-76.0,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 - > > not >=20 > _If_ I have this right: > Firefox requires pkgconf ... which - if DOCS=3Dyes - requires > ImageMagic ... which requires (in your case) python 2.7. > See if you can rebuild your versiou of ImageMagic against > python 3.7, and this should go away. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Respectfully, >=20 >=20 > Robert Huff >=20 >=20 >=20 Thank you but I do not have ImageMagick. I did build Inkscape 0.92.5 which use GraphicsMagick. And portmaster --check-depends Checking all packages: 100% --=20 Ernst Lubitsch=E2=80=99s Ninotchka:=20 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Waiter! A cup of coffee without cream, please!=E2=80=99 = =E2=80=98I=E2=80=99m sorry, sir, we have no cream, only milk, so can it be a coffee without milk?=E2=80=99=E2= =80=9D=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 21:28:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19FF2C316F for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CBSd6DYBz3Lg3 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03TLRsZ4002399 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03TLRshr002398 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: questions list Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? Message-ID: <20200429212754.GA1510@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <20200428130853.GB39823@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200428130853.GB39823@rancor.immure.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CBSd6DYBz3Lg3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.14), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.85)[0.851,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:28:02 -0000 Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me and I thought someone else may benefit from them. 1) Make a backup of the current system 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories that start with a dot ("."). 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. 5) Build the new world from the source. 6) Build the new kernel from the source. 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to doing the installworld. 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. 11) Reboot the system. 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. 14) Reboot the system. Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 22:30:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7D2C4A49 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CCr94L6Wz3PwF for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03TMTl0K095486 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:29:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1588199387; bh=KjHUw9En56+/Md7X2IC8AbvJtnYb8QWk2Xb3dKy0cMA=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=KkHqQoHjJdvM4sD+kRTVDMYhU7RZ1mFuj8fTxeH38AqObmlvUrww04lqGBFFcdg7P P95yieYLOW5pw0vKQ0FY3T18ImcX7R5JDvidI5kXJSYWPn1f/2yqSKGTGiXRKua+kx qFEB9LjMpYr+uuJQwAtbVp25oTUhlOOnobAxVVnJS+gkQoD9SoT3MNV6yt/NwK5kSI rKtyPUIbcpFO4q2PI84NoOM5m72s+qFuMckHOfxlWSQun4/hVn4QpUZD213s00ikSy PXH9trg+jZTq9UZaqEhf4lYEVJxoLeI4uW8gqHUB4t7rAxdPlEFOYEEXJDzSIRm8Xn 434/Fp3uD+Vng== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 03TMTlm3095284; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:29:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:29:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Bob Willcox cc: questions list Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? In-Reply-To: <20200429212754.GA1510@rancor.immure.com> Message-ID: References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <20200428130853.GB39823@rancor.immure.com> <20200429212754.GA1510@rancor.immure.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CCr94L6Wz3PwF X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=KkHqQoHj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; IP_SCORE(-2.05)[ip: (-8.36), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.20), asn: 224(-0.69), country: NO(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:30:03 -0000 On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27-0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to > 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me > and I thought someone else may benefit from them. > > 1) Make a backup of the current system > 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories > that start with a dot ("."). You can combine 2 and 4 in one go: svn switch ^/stable/12 /usr/src > 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. > 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. > 5) Build the new world from the source. > 6) Build the new kernel from the source. > 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to > doing the installworld. > 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. > 11) Reboot the system. > 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. > 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. > 14) Reboot the system. > > Bob -- Trond. 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I've paid enough attention to notice that the religious wars > seem to have moved on to heartfelt arguments about who is more worthy of > excommunication. I've been vaguely considering twiddling with my kill > file but that's such a bother in my MUA. > Only one side is arguing for excommunication the other side (so far) does not see the need to excommunicate anyone from the list (no laws have been broken by either side, yet). Mostly it boils down to some people are using a very selective/subjective filter on how they define what "troll" is and thus want to ban all those they don't agree with, the other side of the debate sees no need to ban anyone. > The things people do to amuse themselves during lock-downs. > Not like we don't work yet (I worked from home before the anyone had heard of Covid) ;-) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 00:33:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBC42C7D08 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CGZY2qH4z4292 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03U0XNvS002780 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:33:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03U0XNBb002779; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:33:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:33:23 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Trond =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: questions list Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? Message-ID: <20200430003322.GB1510@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200427200111.GA39823@rancor.immure.com> <20200428130853.GB39823@rancor.immure.com> <20200429212754.GA1510@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CGZY2qH4z4292 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.14), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.75)[0.750,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:33:26 -0000 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:29:47AM +0200, Trond Endrestl wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27-0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > > > Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to > > 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me > > and I thought someone else may benefit from them. > > > > 1) Make a backup of the current system > > 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories > > that start with a dot ("."). > > You can combine 2 and 4 in one go: > > svn switch ^/stable/12 /usr/src > > > 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. > > 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. > > 5) Build the new world from the source. > > 6) Build the new kernel from the source. > > 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to > > doing the installworld. > > 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > > 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > > 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. > > 11) Reboot the system. > > 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. > > 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. > > 14) Reboot the system. > > > > Bob > > -- > Trond. Thanks for the tip. Of course, that would have required that I learned more about svn. My brute force approach was obvious and it worked. :) Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 02:29:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ECD2CA8FA for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CK7y5Stmz47ZK for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 02:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=e764bsgjSaYpNyvESmefvJnJ66JBnMnGfdWvC4+URBg=; b=fBS1nRMfNaSTtFLRnuQAlLNHf/ BPncOCWfSMFW9IFOMnmii9+FrDNMq/3+7FPNJ0x3UG77fMr2F1SVPlr5EZmLHUI9W1lRzLRivhkTp mhYzVV4ED5MCOhm4xNxOtZxgamSjngrw+MjykvUc2QFZOvXhF0Wbje8gWRZNEsvrRrTU=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jTywe-0004EY-TE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:29:00 +0700 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:29:00 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysutils/screen and its now default "screen.xterm-256color" terminal type Message-ID: <20200430022900.GA16206@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200429150458.GA1475@admin.sibptus.ru> <9dc5f37c-11f3-4b08-9b0c-fd45442e51ac@fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9dc5f37c-11f3-4b08-9b0c-fd45442e51ac@fastmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CK7y5Stmz47ZK X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=fBS1nRMf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.33 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.23)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.29), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 02:29:03 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri Pankov wrote: > >=20 > > Have you noticed that the recent versions of sysutils/screen force the > > setting of $TERM to "screen.xterm-256color"? FreeBSD does not know this > > terminal type, which leads to different errors in programs running under > > screen ("using dumb terminal" etc). > >=20 > > I've opened a PR > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D246029 but the > > maintainer is too quick to close it IMHO. > >=20 > > Does anyone care to view/comment on the PR? >=20 > $ screen --version > Screen version 4.08.00 (GNU) 05-Feb-20 >=20 > Not a screen user myself, I just installed the latest screen from ports to > check, and not seeing this behavior: without ~/.screenrc I get $TERM of > "screen", and with "term xterm256-color" in ~/.screenrc I get exactly that > in $TERM. This is probably because you are starting screen from a tty (console or ssh) session. Start it from xterm and you'll see it.=20 >=20 > What are your other related settings? Or could it be stale system-wide > configuration somewhere, stale patches? No, you are just not using a FreeBSD desktop system :-) which I do. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeqjfsAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0PI8H/2Wf8pgjylXdW+Sdo8BhdUzm 2UNkz1kRSanIPwvSkSY/sWP5W2HhiGS0EPFOJNpFiiHoZin5FS33sJ0ghIWJNfJw 52PeHgLvGpXDtTZgTpMM8/x22ifd6yGZ4RCDG3QxsqwpI7ZKZhk/+OlsqQksH2Vy ipDLuSRsSqWFU7abED0z46mjLtJepQxoc6UB+Plgmfna1MfiD/mpBJqkaak/dfsB W0PkxL2eYiJQf4xvfb1YFLSyid5PCpRDc6dwgidhZbnqwLuDec9yZLQej/3CGQhq Rxq+hmRtqbeE343NZIUICZzjEj09fbK2qg+eLnt4RqLu5Fo+z8yDsBqf5M0Xe0I= =R7BA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 03:30:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7772CD643 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CLVW0bvZz4CTc for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.29.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MPaQU-1jpOOc0bFS-00MdaN; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:30:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:30:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jester@panix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drivers for NIC (igb vs em)? 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These appear as em0 > and igb0. I'm just wondering why these are created with different > drivers, instead of as em0 and em1 or igb0 and igb1. Is this > something I have any control over? Unlike Linux, where network devices are typically enumerated depending on the order they are detected in, FreeBSD uses a device name according to the hardware found. The diver manuals ("man 4 ") state: em - Intel(R) PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet adapter driver igb - Intel(R) PRO/1000 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet adapter driver So your mainboard has two _different_ kinds of networking hardware installed, that's why FreeBSD loads the appropriate driver for each one, leading to different names. > If it's relevant, the output of lspci for the Ethernet controllers only: > > $ sudo lspci -v > > [...] > > 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM (rev 31) > Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 15b7 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 > Memory at df100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) > Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 3 > Capabilities: [d0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ > Capabilities: [e0] PCI Advanced Features > > 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) > Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 1533 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19 > Memory at df000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) > I/O ports at e000 > Memory at df080000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3 > Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+ > Capabilities: [70] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=5 Masked- > Capabilities: [a0] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 > Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting > Capabilities: [140] Device Serial Number d0-50-99-ff-ff-c1-f6-ab > Capabilities: [1a0] Transaction Processing Hints As you can see from the 1st line of each entry, lspci confirms that you're dealing with two different models (both made by Intel, though). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 03:42:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D72CDE2E for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CLmq0wmjz4DLk for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.29.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MAtoX-1jJIi537LF-00BMjV; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:42:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:42:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Yuri Pankov Cc: jester@panix.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drivers for NIC (igb vs em)? 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I'm > > actually running FreeNAS 11.3, but I assume this relates to > > the underlying system. > [...] > The two were merged starting with FreeBSD 12.0 under the "em" name; I > don't know the exact historical reasons those were separate though. Technically, em is the older driver (Intel PRO/1000 family of Gigabit chipsets), and igb introduced support for the newer models (Intel Gigabit ET/VT Dual Port Server Adapter families). On FreeBSD 11 (FreeNAS 11.3), there's still a manual entry for igb and em, listing different hardware. I'mm sure there are many similarities, so igb got integrated / merged with em, as on FreeBSD 12, there no longer is "man 4 igb", even though a file /boot/kernel/if_igb.ko still exists (12.0-p7 experimental system here). For comparison: FreeBSD 11.3 "man 4 igb": https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=igb&apropos=0&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+11.3-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html FreeBSD 11.3 "man 4 em": https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=em&apropos=0&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+11.3-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html FreeBSD 12.1 "man 4 em": https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=em&apropos=0&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+12.1-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html The "em" manual page has been updated. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 04:48:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A79B2CFC58 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 04:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (dontpanic.foucry.net [80.67.176.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CNDT5VsRz4H75 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 04:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.foucry.net (mithril.foucry.net [127.0.0.1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959E3194DC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:48:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:48:01 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Strange =?utf-8?B?YmVh4pSCaGk=?= =?utf-8?Q?o?= in daily messsges Message-ID: <20200430044801.GA22722@mithril.foucry.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CNDT5VsRz4H75 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=foucry.net (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[foucry.net : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[mithril.localdomain]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[mithril.localdomain]; IP_SCORE(-1.01)[ipnet: 80.67.160.0/19(-2.82), asn: 20766(-2.23), country: FR(-0.00)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20766, ipnet:80.67.160.0/19, country:FR]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 04:48:11 -0000 Hello All, Hop your going. I run a FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p4 on a baremetal server with many jail (one per fonction). The mail jail use rspamd to fight against spam. Like all of us I receveive everゆ mornin a security report from my jail (and the host). In everey reports I found many rspamd errors: `(rspamd-2.5), jid 19, uid 236: exited on signal 10` Ok thats means rspand got a problem, but why I found tほose reports in *every* daily security mail of *every* jail I use? How can I stop it? I did find (may be I look bad) anything in periodic security script? What I miss? 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I configured Office Communicator protocol. The chat is working. The audio test is working. The webcamera is working in firefox meet.google.com. (I am using webcamd). I have some options in video input/output section (Audio: Default, OSS, Pulsaudio, sndio; Output Video: Default, OpenGL, X Window System, X Window System (xv); Input Video: Default, Test Input, Video4Linux2). I am not able to establish audio nor video call, even when I try different audio/video settings. In the account settings->advanced I set the user agent: UCCAPI/16.0.6965.5308 OC/16.0.6965.2117. Has anybody configured the pidgin successfully? Thank you very much. Regards, lk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 11:09:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972392B8018 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic315-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.190.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CXhq4dMJz4ZSX for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: ju.5avwVM1mx5glLKqS3nauf_AJbEe00h2wR3OgmeoOxcTfpURweAI_bmwwa7HB g8cn47Iv.6sV5XUU.Ic1AYlzXBcY51EjxhCcjj1XkmQcRsX5P.jtfgxdg1vAtqJvnVbkVZ54Yoi2 YKT6kX1tWEiOGiYa3YLFHtEn.vIs3SCdzz7xElHWFE2AIsdX_OFrhfcIGYyZf25hsuW.tTLi0WeV qnrLtrCqLD13d7kLQP7hll4clmcc94cJw8X2tZe4rcO4PPdLzmGBiqIecMQVN27uzmnHtVMJ5UcX OYMiYL.MGavxtYNN6Y5DbbmvVEUa0KHh.MAl1wluethg1u5YniUrykyFEcr57ouWHSp8G8wnQKGS rxsgSkPfCjrTYjC901.f2Gk1aN9e0GXpYQ9udKFPAQhOsZknyWcAevAzKl8QkQz.a187BvmgyqKh T09ypfNNpE0.ZEkKYXNU4eL0_rzGPoQ4InMfhHeuqb3DJTU7OxTEHw3J5MJwXrPDbFegoQ3ZPNu3 sZvskpulxeVLf7qWTtYlvV1xQXhFmRCoO19zeI_WZCkLHJU0wMd7h0k8Q_1pzbDkuByNvgxIEiR1 CW7Y2CF4b9QQwbvrqAiwXc4k0M3K4dJO2RT7ySKYMgrU6NOrjW.6BNYO2ISDhUY5lGB8kn1DgI.w az0MmX_BcCGBRn.LdY8vSwbPhiElIx65Cr_J.JD6Pa4FH3PSQFS2kcRAKHiYlTA5xdcojNHlBM0V lFSXm_3gakM0UUahBhUxC7A6lW5WhI4bJMUVTG3fPV2tVEL7T2BK4dABhK2TdXNAK1wpoDpwRKHb 7Jtx9TinH3P7bMeEXGc0Tx3oKDc99OT7UEa4hooVt_bTJZRB5NBVm0wEvj2rMCRIzqPnZsNhxbkp vaLndffIbPqlWSMpIGjsjNSybNRJrTsI.XtGXs9t8xt5Oo5PB1tV6iEWAVF4uUB9TDGapxoZwAiw 6ZI_lAORAuIRjtoqwBGixZ1cJANdP2BkYIgd7rjm1b5PSnIS7E7yOKwOUpY90FG4JdyvUh0.fXYQ 6kESp4N874ktehbK.6EpJMixz2dIDFR2Kg90pBEwf605CJC1aYebEbY8JQjRQ9XJdakWmljVmG2C zHoWg_EsIIhvFLZ5KjOdfjcQYca7j935U5HbOxmmYapcLhiF9xRRBh37bfOpB3mgP.noDPY.3hYX kmakJ8StAgskzl4nbYCScM1FXhz1CPrmZSgskWu6eFfCLEzpqeSzxlkpB_x4TO6Vl8AeJ5Oz7kCp 3YVlgKd0p0jUex5Cbhj560jkEE0TXKymixdTSQQlYs3bR3IDo47egpUimSLkj8ZmEMCZwYdbbtWw 0M2CqUq.7Vw6blTp712Qki3nYQ6CTZLfCzAJwmByTdp4quZlfKKxPZmO.axbthACxq_oXlrHMNoU KrmdEw5Gq5hTm Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:45 +0000 Received: by smtp422.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6f23db7857bb0d882c8698ede8fece09; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id n24so2110289plp.13 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 04:09:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaSpbvIh765RNDEtTZDrLDkxotiCHi/Tq1ujzvEydO6wqThEEZ+ yRNvmKZIjz72V7K75Y0Kzdgh7seVPoI9fpk6RVg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLDPYboI8Li0zij4QfG9dJ/LwKzw5g5rriQVE8lCQ07UtfdiZ2LArhJ10jQiBsqDUOVNg7JoERFNxfgWtCfJuI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:988e:: with SMTP id s14mr3117471plp.179.1588244981103; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 04:09:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ottavio Caruso Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:09:25 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: A couple of questions about "fortune freebsd-tips" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" References: X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15820 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CXhq4dMJz4ZSX X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.16 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.60)[-0.598,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.86)[-0.863,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.84), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.14), asn: 36646(0.92), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.190.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[146.190.163.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:48 -0000 On my system (12.1-RELEASE-p4) I have: % ls /usr/share/games/fortune/ freebsd-tips freebsd-tips.dat 1) where do they come from? I can't see them in the sources and I definitely didn't install it from ports. 2) I'd like to reuse and modify freebsd-tips and include into another project. I can't see any copyright notes about the fortune files. There are attributions. I don't know what to do with these attributions if I modify the text. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 11:21:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4414B2B8BFC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CXyB1SxNz4bTp for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) X-Originating-IP: 167.179.139.56 Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (Authenticated sender: ozzmosis@ozzmosis.com) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AF986000A; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3E15FD7BA3; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:21:14 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:21:14 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Ottavio Caruso Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A couple of questions about "fortune freebsd-tips" Message-ID: <20200430112114.k7s2x4gbgsptsk3y@ozzmosis.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20200424 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CXyB1SxNz4bTp X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@ozzmosis.com designates 217.70.183.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@ozzmosis.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[195.183.70.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.70.183.192/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ozzmosis.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ip: (-2.34), ipnet: 217.70.176.0/20(-1.58), asn: 29169(-1.27), country: FR(-0.00)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[195.183.70.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:21:23 -0000 On 2020-04-30 12:09:25, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions (freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) wrote: > On my system (12.1-RELEASE-p4) I have: > % ls /usr/share/games/fortune/ > freebsd-tips freebsd-tips.dat > > 1) where do they come from? I can't see them in the sources and I > definitely didn't install it from ports. 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Sent from Outlook Mobile From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 13:29:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CCF2BCC97 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x136.google.com (mail-il1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cbnp5wDBz4kx7 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x136.google.com with SMTP id t12so1299026ile.9 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=c+nosIjdB41INFXyc+9kJgbrPNny7DtBUWApWJM1OVE=; b=FmXY0DbfYNKsMLp3Ju5pEppV749sTJs60ZaAIZOz1i+0W5K3h9B+9bOW2wW3SE/slr R5ELLcQLHS0rC8Y8Wh5UspYDgGo7Yu21amyOcGzoZohbrUW2ROxGBNRsLe/zeJvcOMLF nVKdvBJsyPMktSZo5Lwb03bIdRGWLOKuwLPI6HywdPcj7SqnRbGaznTOlTEEq6Sfoxes 1acw/SQ+gyRvL5qjp2BTWXz4kmhKlEvfP9bVPDcbUqaH84flQRP8X1Mrhx+2x4ATR3cO YlyVoMTDk2MOCJXvKLHgpcGft6j5SBzDarJhpAgjGABV0wOswZizEcO6ojA125w7EmXj ca7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c+nosIjdB41INFXyc+9kJgbrPNny7DtBUWApWJM1OVE=; b=D2jzREQKWkDxAzphXxuIA8E6P/pLMMl4YlDwcEXWwrfUhremIMoSz1rakdY5iLk7Nn fOSpKjaVwbovPYtRa3XGaCeXxzmxVbVjVKdFbAEioq6Vd4a2n6oc6eiC0n9pLI4rF+cc F+rWF0uQefmIbB/YlCq6MKk6I1D4P0g3uA8YB12qbc6QP3Rx06RJsFLrKkjvtkq8riGc Mj8uzi7LBe+npF5f4lofdge5OWPaY+a6b0mpaoSq2oX++R4AkoduqdTOERf9geWW/2Ra bTub9+Mk6NjNKi3y+F6UgScRYsZVKbsuFY8RXHyfKBmGof5dp/q/PZXTIYC46hOk8Ly3 gMcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYCPx96dJJCkti84n6kkqAuJfZoKDMwIlyDXDQp7kyzpNsl8CTE 2FPpyKrdsvmGKc7Pgu+iaXPiGrs8lyibHvr2WbWyOwkx X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIw4+/OXWNRsEI8BnTGq871V7t1QApCB8NmcZaBFLtrJfIDBvRhgjHJjj/Dnl2vsgYVSkJqFCV8w2J/SwOk6mo= X-Received: by 2002:a92:dac6:: with SMTP id o6mr1934488ilq.29.1588253357679; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:29:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:29:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Freebsd mailing list question To: Brandon helsley Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cbnp5wDBz4kx7 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=FmXY0Dbf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[9]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.50), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:29:20 -0000 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:23 AM Brandon helsley wrote: > Is this the address I send questions to for FreeBSD? > Yes it is. Depending on how technical there are other lists but you will discover them in time. > Sent from Outlook Mobile > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. 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Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:44:28 +0000 Received: by smtp406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 34f1e88d06bc1423eefa48030a61b450; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id s8so2774989pgq.1 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaJeFP7EMJPwUtbA281UyqsI6vGRfurhYgl4e7O0aKeLkCWwCAo tbqspgzlA2rqFcO24hHJ6tZxk5rjNkNA1ChoPFg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJvxXrzJzmpZzMr6p5YR87dkYHKQ0xlUYkTkpS/FSsqr+BRVYONUScwo6Wkw9xgnzCiDlqcPAk/2ofXRyTQ8wI= X-Received: by 2002:a62:6443:: with SMTP id y64mr3562992pfb.13.1588254266772; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:44:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200430112114.k7s2x4gbgsptsk3y@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20200430112114.k7s2x4gbgsptsk3y@ozzmosis.com> From: Ottavio Caruso Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:44:10 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Fortunes licence, was: A couple of questions about "fortune freebsd-tips" To: andrew clarke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; 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IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[204.188.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.79), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.14), asn: 36646(0.91), country: US(-0.05)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[204.188.163.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:44:32 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 12:21, andrew clarke wrote: > > On 2020-04-30 12:09:25, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions (freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) wrote: > > > On my system (12.1-RELEASE-p4) I have: > > % ls /usr/share/games/fortune/ > > freebsd-tips freebsd-tips.dat > > > > 1) where do they come from? I can't see them in the sources and I > > definitely didn't install it from ports. > > On my 12.1-REL system they're in /usr/src/usr.bin/fortune/datfiles/ Thanks. I've checked the files "Notes" and "README" but I have found no reference to either licences or copyrights. -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 13:46:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DA52BD96D for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CcBB16K8z4mW8 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@miku.sdf.org [205.166.94.6]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 03UDksBE003291 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:46:55 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 03UDkr12006318; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:46:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202004301346.03UDkr12006318@sdf.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:46:52 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CcBB16K8z4mW8 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bennett@sdf.org designates 205.166.94.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bennett@sdf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ip: (-0.70), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.35), asn: 14361(-0.01), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:46:59 -0000 On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 Bob Willcox wrote: > > Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to > 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me > and I thought someone else may benefit from them. > > 1) Make a backup of the current system > 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories > that start with a dot ("."). > 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. > 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. > 5) Build the new world from the source. > 6) Build the new kernel from the source. > 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to > doing the installworld. > 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. > 11) Reboot the system. > 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. > 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. > 14) Reboot the system. > If you did things as you state and it worked, you got lucky. Your step 7) has to be run in /usr/src, just like 8) and 9) and 10). 8) and 9) appear above in reversed order. Also, you omitted 8.5). Steps 8) through 9) should have been: 8) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. 8.5) Reboot. IFF this new kernel comes up correctly, then proceed to step 9). 9) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. Not doing it like this runs a grave risk of needing to restore the system from backups to make it usable again. The last time I looked at it, the Handbook laid this procedure out clearly. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 14:11:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747B12BE822 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cckb0qyvz4qwr for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.29.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mgvj3-1iyMvd1Fl7-00hQQN; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:11:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:11:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ottavio Caruso Cc: Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: A couple of questions about "fortune freebsd-tips" Message-Id: <20200430161127.7d03f7e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:RyTtzysvexZKDnhLHTBAuRwJ5nnDlLCYaiW/tAIvoZrEsQMX400 P4J7T7Vp1XzxdxSdkFC4dJ2VKzUwM+O2+ZCDF8Ie3+cXgiZSMwqhd3LWrRS8iOJ3wQw8O5c ee5uoMuV5DYDNGg/p0CZKpIzl5j5JsFP/L49/zAobAof5krNG70Zm8mbglrS42vE6S2YPTV Fa/4WgejbKJOyi7zqPygQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:I7DI2LPGtvc=:1V9fKLIukWhHlJdR2TQb7R TuqBbJM4tTZil71U7Vkt3JkZ2gYdwgEtF55ZUTEPPLOF6/Hmwch/35+wkvOutDteN5WrU6tni q5naWqb/HSQjWfdgrQ85TwFZU4o295DFFBADeujEu+D1Hl+thp5WiaMYM3P4zpQurXeQdfPpl QXH2g8sNO3qgW8QQKUwVXZvXMm09Kq+NvfAknrTqhveL5eDEFD5hTutrITfWoR+kG4vYQd+9n ZyjEzScVrOdIJ8n5uVQhBLibMWn+9WKrWDtkoetbtmZzm7b3x7DolE+F34xpb7hrpneuUecc3 viqO/3EuTB+13jUGos/y/NILbK+aURlLfjYkTHWrxta7IdhyKQJ3Q+N//GNkPD+nKwr26NNTh ITVPFoXC3WpUGCipudF9hFGM6QVpQJey7zl7OxXDoR3qfgEhhocH/OZs7/eoJFD/4FYVp2fRC hDVgJ/njoQlxTk+OeTfx4TpwQP6r9+KaEIoB5jEHCXOnASJGyVFdIdBAlwD1DFWi6DxsPXFn9 eoAaYMZjFWmkqpHvqSGucYXwYFdQ9eF14CIfXu1QspamIOM4qw+WxAMw8VoxS0n+6KQ4M489m b9dQH/BbzR/8fTrb4XblTGnOC7Fq8GgJXDTGG0YTHxJA4STn3kbE5xA/E6ltx+LE5FzAtsWBj IFYGW5hRbatH9YuGjyBUOc5muRQ63mA71keu08ZdA68VF5Qw8mxAhfCCNYe1s0RZAWKw5j5hn nUfFFxWTwrcDDr84mgHNBnEHZinQMi+CxVZqT+EQzwcy/ixlV30Zwo9cN6wpGvKVnxwqy1BSW l5SRDvvOXfxLivC2igj9lDC2Djpjl7K7baOby0pwxzGo+aiCVwWOJDBSUvSvKgaznJNjwie X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cckb0qyvz4qwr X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.94 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[41.29.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.254,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.29)[ip: (0.62), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.22), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:11:36 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:09:25 +0100, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > On my system (12.1-RELEASE-p4) I have: > % ls /usr/share/games/fortune/ > freebsd-tips freebsd-tips.dat > > 1) where do they come from? I can't see them in the sources and I > definitely didn't install it from ports. It's part of the OS installation. Check /usr/src/games/fortune and especially /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips. > 2) I'd like to reuse and modify freebsd-tips and include into another > project. I can't see any copyright notes about the fortune files. > There are attributions. I don't know what to do with these > attributions if I modify the text. Maybe something like "original by " or "derived from so and so by " would be sufficient? You could directly ask a responsible person from the FreeBSD team about this specific licensing question, even though I (as _not_ being a lawyer) would check if the BSD license applies here, and if it does, it should be fine if you modify the file, but include a reference to the original in your documentation. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me > > and I thought someone else may benefit from them. > > > > 1) Make a backup of the current system > > 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories > > that start with a dot ("."). > > 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. > > 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. > > 5) Build the new world from the source. > > 6) Build the new kernel from the source. > > 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to > > doing the installworld. > > 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > > 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > > 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. > > 11) Reboot the system. > > 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. > > 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. > > 14) Reboot the system. > > > If you did things as you state and it worked, you got lucky. Your step 7) has > to be run in /usr/src, just like 8) and 9) and 10). 8) and 9) appear above in > reversed order. Also, you omitted 8.5). Steps 8) through 9) should have been: > > 8) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > 8.5) Reboot. IFF this new kernel comes up correctly, then proceed to step 9). > 9) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > > Not doing it like this runs a grave risk of needing to restore the system from > backups to make it usable again. The last time I looked at it, the Handbook > laid this procedure out clearly. I'd like to add that the order in which kernel and world are to be installed, combined with the suggestion to install world in single-user mode, is provided to minimize the risk of accidentally rendering the systen unbootable or damaged. That's why the instructions in /usr/src/Makefile should be taken as _the_ recommended method when updating from source. Check the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Message-ID: <20200430145227.GD1510@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <202004301346.03UDkr12006318@sdf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202004301346.03UDkr12006318@sdf.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cddp5CScz4tgL X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[ip: (0.13), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.05), asn: 7018(1.15), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.83)[0.829,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:52:31 -0000 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 08:46:52AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 Bob Willcox wrote: > > > > Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to > > 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me > > and I thought someone else may benefit from them. > > > > 1) Make a backup of the current system > > 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories > > that start with a dot ("."). > > 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. > > 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. > > 5) Build the new world from the source. > > 6) Build the new kernel from the source. > > 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to > > doing the installworld. > > 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > > 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > > 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. > > 11) Reboot the system. > > 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. > > 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. > > 14) Reboot the system. > > > If you did things as you state and it worked, you got lucky. Your step 7) has > to be run in /usr/src, just like 8) and 9) and 10). 8) and 9) appear above in > reversed order. Also, you omitted 8.5). Steps 8) through 9) should have been: Yes, step was run from /usr/src. I just failed to point that out. I was still in that directory after the builds completed. As for the order of installworld and installkernel. I used to run them in the order you suggest but found that, as I recall, doing the installkernel first didn't always work when I had the nvidia driver specified in my /etc/src.conf file. The details are a bit hazy now, but by installing world first the nvidia driver was successfully built from ports during the installkernel step. > > 8) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. > 8.5) Reboot. IFF this new kernel comes up correctly, then proceed to step 9). > 9) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. > > Not doing it like this runs a grave risk of needing to restore the system from > backups to make it usable again. The last time I looked at it, the Handbook > laid this procedure out clearly. Well, as I have said, perhaps I've been incredibly lucky for these past 20+ years that I've been doing it this way as I have had no such incidents. I don't doubt that there are risks, just updating a system carries some pretty significant risks. Guess I sorry I said anything about this...didn't mean to get people riled up. Bob > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ********************************************************************** > * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ********************************************************************** -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 14:57:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4502BFE56 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Cdl933QQz4txc for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.224]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC99D4E620 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:57:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <202004301346.03UDkr12006318@sdf.org> <20200430145227.GD1510@rancor.immure.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <18b531f4-8f77-f448-c2ab-c670b7d13e46@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:57:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200430145227.GD1510@rancor.immure.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cdl933QQz4txc X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[224.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.25)[0.249,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.762,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[ip: (0.27), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.13), asn: 160(0.11), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:57:10 -0000 On 4/30/20 9:52 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 08:46:52AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:27:54 -0500 Bob Willcox wrote: Thank you, Bob and Scott, your instructions are brilliant, and thanks, Polytropon, for extra insights. Valeri >>> >>> Well, here are the steps that I took to upgrade my 11.3-STABLE system to >>> 12.1-STABLE. May not be the best/most efficient but they worked for me >>> and I thought someone else may benefit from them. >>> >>> 1) Make a backup of the current system >>> 2) Delete everything in /usr/src, making certin to remove the files and directories >>> that start with a dot ("."). >>> 3) Delete everything in /usr/obj. >>> 4) Download (via svn) the new FreeBSD release /usr/src to be updated to. >>> 5) Build the new world from the source. >>> 6) Build the new kernel from the source. >>> 7) Run "mergemaster -Fp" to update files that may be needing update prior to >>> doing the installworld. >>> 8) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. >>> 9) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. >>> 10) Run "mergemaster -iU" do update any remaining files that need to be updated. >>> 11) Reboot the system. >>> 12) Run "pkg update" to update the pkg database to the new system's level. >>> 13) Run "pkg upgrade" to update all packages to reflect the new system's level. >>> 14) Reboot the system. >>> >> If you did things as you state and it worked, you got lucky. Your step 7) has >> to be run in /usr/src, just like 8) and 9) and 10). 8) and 9) appear above in >> reversed order. Also, you omitted 8.5). Steps 8) through 9) should have been: > > Yes, step was run from /usr/src. I just failed to point that out. I was still in > that directory after the builds completed. > > As for the order of installworld and installkernel. I used to run them in the > order you suggest but found that, as I recall, doing the installkernel first > didn't always work when I had the nvidia driver specified in my /etc/src.conf > file. The details are a bit hazy now, but by installing world first the nvidia > driver was successfully built from ports during the installkernel step. > >> >> 8) Run "make installkernel" in /usr/src. >> 8.5) Reboot. IFF this new kernel comes up correctly, then proceed to step 9). >> 9) Run "make installworld" in /usr/src. >> >> Not doing it like this runs a grave risk of needing to restore the system from >> backups to make it usable again. The last time I looked at it, the Handbook >> laid this procedure out clearly. > > Well, as I have said, perhaps I've been incredibly lucky for these past 20+ > years that I've been doing it this way as I have had no such incidents. I don't > doubt that there are risks, just updating a system carries some pretty significant > risks. > > Guess I sorry I said anything about this...didn't mean to get people riled up. > > Bob > >> >> >> Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG >> ********************************************************************** >> * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * >> *--------------------------------------------------------------------* >> * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * >> * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * >> * -- a standing army." * >> * -- Gov. 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It's just that after more than a week spent on the below issue the only option I can see is to ask for help or some piece of advice. There is a project called F-Stack . It glues together the networking stack from FreeBSD 11.01 over DPDK . It uses the DPDK to get the packets from the network card in user space and then uses the FreeBSD stack to handle the packets again in user space. It also provides socket API and epoll API which uses internally kqueue/kevent from the FreeBSD. We made a setup to test the performance of transparent TCP proxy based on F-Stack and another one running on Standard Linux kernel. We did the tests on KVM with 2 cores (Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6139 CPU @ 2.30GHz) and 32GB RAM. 10Gbs NIC was attached in passthrough mode. The application level code, the one which handles epoll notifications and memcpy data between the sockets, of the both proxy applications is 100% the same. Both proxy applications are single threaded and in all tests we pinned the applications on core 1. The interrupts from the network card were pinned to the same core 1 for the test with the standard Linux application. Here are the test results: 1. The Linux based proxy was able to handle about 1.7-1.8 Gbps before it started to throttle the traffic. No visible CPU usage was observed on core 0 during the tests, only core 1, where the application and the IRQs were pinned, took the load. 2. The DPDK+FreeBSD proxy was able to thandle 700-800 Mbps before it started to throttle the traffic. No visible CPU usage was observed on core 0 during the tests only core 1, where the application was pinned, took the load. 3. We did another test with the DPDK+FreeBSD proxy just to give us some more info about the problem. We disabled the TCP proxy functionality and let the packets be simply ip forwarded by the FreeBSD stack. In this test we reached up to 5Gbps without being able to throttle the traffic. We just don't have more traffic to redirect there at the moment. 4. We did a profiling with Linux perf of the DPDK+FreeBSD proxy with 200 Mbps of traffic just to check if some functionality is visible bottleneck. If I understand the results correctly, the application spends most of its time reading packets from the network card and after that the time is spent in kevent related functionality. # Children Self Samples Command Shared Object Symbol # ........ ........ ............ ............... .................. ..................................................... # 43.46% 39.67% 9071 xproxy.release xproxy.release [.] main_loop | |--35.31%--main_loop | | | --3.71%--_recv_raw_pkts_vec_avx2 | |--5.44%--0x305f6e695f676e69 | main_loop | --2.68%--0 main_loop 25.51% 0.00% 0 xproxy.release xproxy.release [.] 0x0000000000cdbc40 | ---0xcdbc40 | |--5.03%--__cap_rights_set | |--4.65%--kern_kevent | |--3.85%--kqueue_kevent | |--3.62%--__cap_rights_init | |--3.45%--kern_kevent_fp | |--1.90%--fget | |--1.61%--uma_zalloc_arg | --1.40%--fget_unlocked 10.01% 0.00% 0 xproxy.release [unknown] [k] 0x00007fa0761d8010 | ---0x7fa0761d8010 | |--4.23%--ff_kevent_do_each | |--2.33%--net::ff_epoll_reactor_impl:: process_events <-- Only this function is ours | |--1.96%--kern_kevent | --1.48%--ff_epoll_wait 7.13% 7.12% 1627 xproxy.release xproxy.release [.] kqueue_kevent | |--3.84%--0xcdbc40 | kqueue_kevent | |--2.41%--0 | kqueue_kevent | --0.88%--kqueue_kevent 6.82% 0.00% 0 xproxy.release [unknown] [.] 0x0000000001010010 | ---0x1010010 | |--2.40%--uma_zalloc_arg | --1.22%--uma_zero_item 5. We did another profiling, just doing intrusive timing of some blocks of code, using again around 200Mbps of traffic and found again that about 30% of the application time is spent in the epoll_wait function which just setups the parameter for calling kern_kevent and call the function. The whole application can be very roughly represented in the following way: - Read incoming packets from the network card - Write pending outgoing packets to the network card - Push the incoming packets to the FreeBSD stack - Call epoll_wait/kevent without waiting <- About 25-30% of the application time seems to be spent here - Handle the events - loop from the beginning Here is the configuration for FreeBSD which was used for the tests [freebsd.boot] hz=100 fd_reserve=1024 kern.ncallout=524288 kern.sched.slice=1 kern.maxvnodes=524288 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=262144 kern.ipc.maxsockets=524000 net.inet.ip.fastforwarding=1 net.inet.tcp.syncache.hashsize=32768 net.inet.tcp.syncache.bucketlimit=32 net.inet.tcp.syncache.cachelimit=1048576 net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize=524288 net.inet.tcp.syncache.rst_on_sock_fail=0 net.link.ifqmaxlen=4096 kern.features.inet6=0 net.inet6.ip6.auto_linklocal=0 net.inet6.ip6.accept_rtadv=2 net.inet6.icmp6.rediraccept=1 net.inet6.ip6.forwarding=0 [freebsd.sysctl] kern.maxfiles=524288 kern.maxfilesperproc=524288 kern.ipc.soacceptqueue=4096 kern.ipc.somaxconn=4096 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=262144 kern.ipc.maxsockets=524288 net.link.ether.inet.maxhold=5 net.inet.ip.redirect=0 net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 net.inet.ip.portrange.first=1025 net.inet.ip.portrange.last=65535 net.inet.ip.intr_queue_maxlen=4096 net.inet.tcp.syncache.rst_on_sock_fail=0 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.fast_finwait2_recycle=1 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=16384 net.inet.tcp.cc.algorithm=cubic net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=524288 net.inet.tcp.sack.enable=1 net.inet.tcp.msl=2000 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=1 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 Something important!!! We've added functionality to the FreeBSD networking stack which allows us to open transparent TCP sockets when the first data packet after the 3 way handshake is received. I can explain why we need this functionality, if needed. I can show you the code/patch also, if needed. I checked this functionality multiple times. I can't see how it can lead to throttling the traffic, causing packets to be dropped and the whole thing to stop responds to regular pings and arpings due to the packet drops. This functionality was only applied for TCP traffic on port 80 during the tests. I mean, of course I could be missing something but bugs in this functionality usually lead to completely broken TCP connections or tapped connections due to the wrong TCP window. At least this is my experience so far having implemented similar functionality in the Linux kernel which we have been using for 3-4 years already. But again I could be wrong here. >From the above tests and measurements I made the following conclusions/observations: - The FreeBSD stack has no problems forwarding 5Gbps of traffic and thus the performance decrease should be caused of some of the above layers - TCP handling in the stack, kevent functionality and the application working with the kevent? - The kevent functionality appears in the CPU profiling with much higher numbers than any application code. This could be because the application is using the kevent in some wrong way or it could be just because the function is frequently called? On the other hand all of the functions in the loop are equally called. - For the Linux proxy case, the IRQs may be handled on a given core but the actual packet processing within the networking stack could happen on both cores and this could lead to better performance. However, we did not observe visible CPU usage on the core 0 during the tests. And finally, after this long post, here are my questions: 1. Does somebody have observations or educated guesses about what amount of traffic should I expect the FreeBSD stack + kevent to process in the above scenario? Are the numbers low or expected? 2. Does somebody can think of some the kevent specifics compared to Linux epoll which can lead to worse performance? For example the usage of EV_CLEAR flag? Reading too many or too few events at a time? 3. Can I check some counters of the FreeBSD stack which will point me to potential bottlenecks? 3. If somebody can give me some other advice, what more to check/debug/profile, or what config/sysctl settings to tweak to improve the performance of the DPDK+FreeBSD based proxy? Any help is appreciated! Thanks in advance, Pavel. 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Sent from Outlook Mobile From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 16:39:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FA82C2752 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Ch1b2Mrgz3HyQ for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1588264786; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Dxku/3Magf+GLZ5cQk64sBR1yxw=; b=hxYrL/QgODVgSTMKW4DlR3YggPqVHQGrfergI6/kwrWHUjhFo+Xwn3sYliG7Nyqx oQFlhmt6bJ5ioXM3kDqF2bVsai7+e73HCnEQaqNzcTKgUm4Q8a9HeFZECfNTOaZ5 m/3S4CYtHBQO44133CH2JQl8o3T+pIO3IY9G5MoWFax/duKSHZthj1MUsw5JNODt DqwaHrk7Apm7K+FfIrpGQ6/bxMTcj7jJkKDAuP//ZFTxbbk2GCHlmAGKxCv7g2lw 6iwUDpkPiOCmfZvg27VZtlyB8G7vg6ZF2UrD4lPvMyrCiEApY+DSAfGI6PTJ1VEW M4Zh8EmxIoru01FX96mg9A==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=F/kpiZpN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=cl8xLZFz6L8A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=1-1ALNxxHJ54QcCNVl0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:28521] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id C2/79-51190-15FFAAE5; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:39:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24234.65361.243692.854655@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:39:45 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: Polytropon Cc: Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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Are these instructions identical to the ones near the bottom of /usr/src/UPDATING? Double-checkingly, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 17:32:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7312C3B1A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CjBY1dlGz3LSx for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8A210276A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6IRzNXuMmwJ for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FCC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.252.194]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28A24102769 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:32:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. Message-Id: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:32:35 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CjBY1dlGz3LSx X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.40)[-0.399,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.73)[0.732,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.30)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(3.06), asn: 24940(-1.54), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[194.252.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:32:38 -0000 I did a fresh install of FreeBSD 12.1 today on an older Amd 64 ASRock = Board and was pleasantly surprised how smooth everything went. Boot device was a Kingston SSD 240GB which was on AHCI port 2 and AHCI = Port 0 was another disk. After the install I wanted to boot but boot = failed. Since the live CD was still inserted at that point in time the = system tried to boot the live CD for whatever reason. After that I swapped the ports and connected the install drive to port 0 = and made it the preferable boot device (in first order in the BIOS). Now I=E2=80=99m getting a boot failure. The system boots into the=20 mountroot> prompt givin the above error as shown in the subject line: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. What=E2=80=99s wrong? =E2=80=94 Christoph= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 18:29:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F1A2C5061 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CkRw0sxXz3PHh for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F8F10276A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7kmkSowrXLW for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FCC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.252.194]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6CBF102769 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29:14 +0200 References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> Message-Id: <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CkRw0sxXz3PHh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.249,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.818,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.30)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(3.06), asn: 24940(-1.54), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[194.252.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:29:17 -0000 Could solve it myself: bootet back to usb drive, mounted /dev/ada0s1 = /mnt and edited /mnt/etc/fstab to the correct mount device. There were ada2s1 for / and another ada2 device for swap. Changed that = to ada0s1 and now the system boots fine. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 30.04.2020 um 19:32 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > I did a fresh install of FreeBSD 12.1 today on an older Amd 64 ASRock = Board and was pleasantly surprised how smooth everything went. >=20 > Boot device was a Kingston SSD 240GB which was on AHCI port 2 and AHCI = Port 0 was another disk. After the install I wanted to boot but boot = failed. Since the live CD was still inserted at that point in time the = system tried to boot the live CD for whatever reason. >=20 > After that I swapped the ports and connected the install drive to port = 0 and made it the preferable boot device (in first order in the BIOS). >=20 > Now I=E2=80=99m getting a boot failure. The system boots into the=20 >=20 > mountroot> prompt givin the above error as shown in the subject line: >=20 > Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. >=20 > What=E2=80=99s wrong? >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Christoph > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 19:22:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57D12C639E for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Clct3XVpz3x63 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:03 -0700 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Strange_bea=e2=94=82hio_in_daily_messsges?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200430044801.GA22722@mithril.foucry.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <2a178278-fd90-189e-edcd-dbe224ea94d5@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200430044801.GA22722@mithril.foucry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Clct3XVpz3x63 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.64)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.42), asn: 6939(-3.59), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:07 -0000 On 2020-04-29 21:48, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello All, > > Hop your going. > > I run a FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p4 on a baremetal server with many jail (one per > fonction). > > The mail jail use rspamd to fight against spam. > Like all of us I receveive everゆ mornin a security report from my jail (and > the host). > > In everey reports I found many rspamd errors: > > `(rspamd-2.5), jid 19, uid 236: exited on signal 10` > > Ok thats means rspand got a problem, but why I found tほose reports in *every* > daily security mail of *every* jail I use? > > How can I stop it? I did find (may be I look bad) anything in periodic > security script? > > What I miss? > > Thanks for you help and advices, > Take care. It appears signal 10 is a bus error: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/sys/signal.h This page clarifies the meaning of "bus error": https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/segmentation-fault-sigsegv-vs-bus-error-sigbus/ My guess would be the latter case -- unaligned memory access. This could be a coding bug (struct not laid out for 64-bit architecture?) or a misconfigured compile (?). Where did your rspamd binary come from -- package? port? downloaded and built by hand? 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.64.0.0/10, country:US]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:42 -0000 Trying to get through xdm login screen and can't find what's wrong, can't g= et through. 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In-Reply-To: <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> Message-ID: References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cm7J6Sklz3yQM X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=AqMVLnBZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.07)[ip: (-8.43), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.23), asn: 224(-0.70), country: NO(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:45:02 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Could solve it myself: bootet back to usb drive, mounted /dev/ada0s1 > /mnt and edited /mnt/etc/fstab to the correct mount device. There > were ada2s1 for / and another ada2 device for swap. Changed that to > ada0s1 and now the system boots fine. That's one reason you should consider using GPT or UFS labels. That way you'll always refer to the correct partition or filesystem regardless of where the drive is connected to the system. Swap partitions on MBR disks could be labeled using glabel(8). -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 19:47:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED022C6F5C for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CmBk3VW7z3yYq for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB7E10276B; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p-ABtY2bVjhp; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-mbp.fritz.box (p57A1FCC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.252.194]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A60810276A; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. From: Christoph Kukulies In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47:56 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CmBk3VW7z3yYq X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.16)[-0.162,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.74)[0.737,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.30)[ipnet: 116.203.0.0/16(3.05), asn: 24940(-1.54), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[194.252.161.87.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:47:59 -0000 Fine, but where in the installation process would I have had a chance to = decide for that option? Can I define UUID labels (is that GPT?) in the hindsight? =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 30.04.2020 um 21:44 schrieb Trond Endrest=C3=B8l = : >=20 > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >=20 >> Could solve it myself: bootet back to usb drive, mounted /dev/ada0s1=20= >> /mnt and edited /mnt/etc/fstab to the correct mount device. There=20 >> were ada2s1 for / and another ada2 device for swap. Changed that to=20= >> ada0s1 and now the system boots fine. >=20 > That's one reason you should consider using GPT or UFS labels. That=20 > way you'll always refer to the correct partition or filesystem=20 > regardless of where the drive is connected to the system. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cmbm26r9z40hR X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=uUjvNLJo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.10)[ip: (-8.49), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.26), asn: 224(-0.71), country: NO(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:06:13 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Fine, but where in the installation process would I have had a chance to decide for that option? > Can I define UUID labels (is that GPT?) in the hindsight? Your system uses MBR, hence the ad0s prefix. UFS labels can be set while in singleuser mode, this is particular important for the root filesystem. 1. Reboot to singleuser mode. 2. Hit the enter key when asked about which shell to launch. 3. tunefs -L root /dev/ad0s1a 4. Ditto for the other *UFS* partitions. Consult your /etc/fstab. 5. Verify the labels using dumpfs /dev/ad0s1a 6. Reboot to multiuser mode. 7. Duplicate the necessary lines in /etc/fstab. 8. Comment out the original lines, in case you must revert. 9. Change the duplicate lines to refer to /dev/ufs/root, etc. 10. Reboot to see if you have succeeded. 11. Remove the original lines in /etc/fstab, if desired. I recall issues in the past using glabel(8) which stores the label in the last disk block (sector) of the partition. Hence the labeled device file should present a device which is one disk block shorter to avoid the label being overwritten. Maybe someone else can chime in on this. I prefer GPT labels. See gpart(8), in particular gpart modify -l label -i index diskdevice. -- Trond. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:39:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CnLp2ZjXz42DW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.71)[ip: (-0.27), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.64), asn: 6939(-3.59), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:40:03 -0000 On 2020-04-30 11:29, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Could solve it myself: bootet back to usb drive, mounted /dev/ada0s1 /mnt and edited /mnt/etc/fstab to the correct mount device. > There were ada2s1 for / and another ada2 device for swap. Changed that to ada0s1 and now the system boots fine. > > — > Christoph > > >> Am 30.04.2020 um 19:32 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >> >> I did a fresh install of FreeBSD 12.1 today on an older Amd 64 ASRock Board and was pleasantly surprised how smooth everything went. >> >> Boot device was a Kingston SSD 240GB which was on AHCI port 2 and AHCI Port 0 was another disk. After the install I wanted to boot but boot failed. Since the live CD was still inserted at that point in time the system tried to boot the live CD for whatever reason. >> >> After that I swapped the ports and connected the install drive to port 0 and made it the preferable boot device (in first order in the BIOS). >> >> Now I’m getting a boot failure. The system boots into the >> >> mountroot> prompt givin the above error as shown in the subject line: >> >> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. >> >> What’s wrong? I believe the root cause problem is that your computer has BIOS firmware, your SSD and other disk are using the MBR partitioning scheme, and the FreeBSD installer, bootloader, system configuration files, etc., all use device nodes for identifying devices, stripes, and partitions when dealing with the BIOS and MBR case. As we both have found, this combination breaks whenever device nodes change -- such as by adding, moving, or removing a device. And, the fix is to edit /etc/fstab, to edit /boot/loader.conf if running GELI, and/or to delete /boot/zfs/zpool.cache if running ZFS. (Linux implements PARTUUID's for the BIOS/MBR case [1]. I have been unable to figure out how to do this on FreeBSD.) David [1] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/474258/add-partuuid-to-dos-mbr From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 20:48:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF9D2C8579 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CnXd6JzCz42qD for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:48:31 -0700 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Strange_bea=e2=94=82hio_in_daily_messsges?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200430044801.GA22722@mithril.foucry.net> <2a178278-fd90-189e-edcd-dbe224ea94d5@holgerdanske.com> <20200430202808.GA39309@mithril.foucry.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <22b5ddff-b6df-3cac-0053-05abe3bf4c97@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:48:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200430202808.GA39309@mithril.foucry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CnXd6JzCz42qD X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.71)[ip: (-0.26), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.64), asn: 6939(-3.59), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:48:34 -0000 On 2020-04-30 13:28, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le jeudi 30 avr. 2020 à 12:22:03 (-0700), David Christensen à écrit: >> On 2020-04-29 21:48, Jacques Foucry wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Hop your going. >>> >>> I run a FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p4 on a baremetal server with many jail (one per >>> fonction). >>> >>> The mail jail use rspamd to fight against spam. >>> Like all of us I receveive everゆ mornin a security report from my jail (and >>> the host). >>> >>> In everey reports I found many rspamd errors: >>> >>> `(rspamd-2.5), jid 19, uid 236: exited on signal 10` >>> >>> Ok thats means rspand got a problem, but why I found tほose reports in *every* >>> daily security mail of *every* jail I use? >>> >>> How can I stop it? I did find (may be I look bad) anything in periodic >>> security script? >>> >>> What I miss? >>> >>> Thanks for you help and advices, >>> Take care. >> >> It appears signal 10 is a bus error: >> >> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/sys/signal.h > > Sad news :-( > >> This page clarifies the meaning of "bus error": >> >> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/segmentation-fault-sigsegv-vs-bus-error-sigbus/ > > Thnaks for the pointer >> >> My guess would be the latter case -- unaligned memory access. This >> could be a coding bug (struct not laid out for 64-bit architecture?) or >> a misconfigured compile (?). >> >> >> Where did your rspamd binary come from -- package? port? downloaded >> and built by hand? > > Compile from my poudriere, no special configuration. I mean no `poudriere > options mail/rspamd`. > > > So should be ok with the hardware (poudriere and mail jail are running on the > same bare-metal server). > > Thanks for your help. Please "reply to list" rather than "reply to sender". I would file a bug report for rspamd. 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Markov" To: Brandon helsley Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Xdm var/log/xdm.log Message-Id: <20200430172326.9d8de65025f7caf9da610846@aim.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CpK103Ktz45Qp X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.63)[-0.627,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.48)[-0.483,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.40), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.30), asn: 26101(1.04), country: US(-0.05)]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[42.133.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[42.133.6.74.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:23:35 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:38 +0000 Brandon helsley wrote: > Trying to get through xdm login screen and can't find what's wrong, can't get through. Here's what it says. > The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > >internal error: could not resolve keysym xf86fullscreen errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the xserver > Xdm info (pid) 1409 sourcing /usr/local/etc/x11/xdm/xsetup_0 > I had a silly xdm problem. I was running xdm on a laptop that had an external monitor attached. I kept the laptop lid closed. I was convinced xdm didn't work until I opened the lid and saw the logon widget on the laptop's screen. Vlad From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 21:56:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C1C2C9E25 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starrtennis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cq2V5Hfpz4752 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starrtennis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id a31so1503200pje.1 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8/WAjOmV44jmP7rYODh/r7uF948TTNttCgP/SNvctJE=; b=pmZKGjf12Guicw0emltsVxvC5S8fjhzBKVs5Su6Es5fTji1bv5NkM4KakjgUS16JJ5 qRod1PJJ1Q7IUyyLYyV4hBlnt6/u4tBdYWg7S4gI7+ZmChw4msFAf7w54XVR2yjycwis vBT4bxLUlHHdP+TJyiTBSB0sQoIm8NxsUqsQ0MMuGngzKGtnah/9pNqVyEDWw7jxRSK/ lT5I6/wc6+EPWOxfhFma5uIqUmu2gS2XRBbUfJ1YnzETOEBtTl0EBqAmouUqsqqbb2Hv tiv+pDj2xmBUU1JXyIY03BiNWVg6Ck00ADE3m6z4okHHlH21UgHZaPjj8HazA5w61hE2 eJsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8/WAjOmV44jmP7rYODh/r7uF948TTNttCgP/SNvctJE=; b=ntks1mdGMKWB54ROSGFotcR1rbSLKbWko5eG+kn1kzNDRVMs4C9TZ8LblFNmiAYS8V aIbxK8bcHeniE/xc2mxcE9MZHFkRAZSekiT6RsrcCx/LQgjL3R7cgVroO/X6RfQRSl2J nYwy3n/z+PRNG+S+pTHn529yg+K8UmAGfBaHjxQxqvApyILfB8+vNtZ/4QU77oO31baa x84uwQ+E9I8D26rVSeMBELD/ZzFcbYGmUGTgyKk5547ZiARmlM8FtJY1lDn1vcThTgId ZaUk6FHkN6LZvPIoG4+wql6+xKq2l9sp3pu8VPjbDwE+7+HZ9iUEhdD6h5MVQqkfHA/z OvWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaPptAfD2OrFCe8+rnTmViYAFUeZgvwqCMoevO4x3/maU/RnfCF WdLnR4SUsmDiSgEqF8vP54B9fx2Aj0Hx5qGuV3xCnHcP X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKbIqR09m6qhAR4RiK8kY1DjCLQ3WLUg/W6Mc+6w17rvi9XSM6PZotFDGVpiaiRxP1IL0FAycv+8cDGOao+xgk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:21ce:: with SMTP id q72mr1061113pjc.0.1588283761036; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:56:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: From: Mike Starr Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. 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Thanks for the advice! I'm looking up gparted as we speak. Mike On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:06 PM Trond Endrest=C3=B8l < trond.endrestol@ximalas.info> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:47+0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > Fine, but where in the installation process would I have had a chance t= o > decide for that option? > > Can I define UUID labels (is that GPT?) in the hindsight? > > Your system uses MBR, hence the ad0s prefix. > > UFS labels can be set while in singleuser mode, this is particular > important for the root filesystem. > > 1. Reboot to singleuser mode. > 2. Hit the enter key when asked about which shell to launch. > 3. tunefs -L root /dev/ad0s1a > 4. Ditto for the other *UFS* partitions. Consult your /etc/fstab. > 5. Verify the labels using dumpfs /dev/ad0s1a > 6. Reboot to multiuser mode. > 7. Duplicate the necessary lines in /etc/fstab. > 8. Comment out the original lines, in case you must revert. > 9. Change the duplicate lines to refer to /dev/ufs/root, etc. > 10. Reboot to see if you have succeeded. > 11. Remove the original lines in /etc/fstab, if desired. > > I recall issues in the past using glabel(8) which stores the label in > the last disk block (sector) of the partition. Hence the labeled > device file should present a device which is one disk block shorter to > avoid the label being overwritten. Maybe someone else can chime in on > this. > > I prefer GPT labels. See gpart(8), in particular > gpart modify -l label -i index diskdevice. > > -- > Trond. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 22:16:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5CE2CA40A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com (mail-qk1-x733.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CqVQ0dwdz484h for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id h124so7508299qke.11 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:16:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=bBLxNIlVaPMZxFSsLFOJNnjiJGblYr73M+o8B7DLrUU=; b=QSsfwGy8iKvGll6DkWXbjgKjPqi0geRBpEcnZeA4x+ZKwl8I9LJlWtaK1hftb1mOwV iiyCnO3CRfguV84ctiKfPDp4p6IXNREODVvRkUqMXhZhpb1F+bwlMUcf2sM4I7lIKSyW 8NP8oxnemCi/07Qq2ZB7dxXfW6y+Ra0F5qeYw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=bBLxNIlVaPMZxFSsLFOJNnjiJGblYr73M+o8B7DLrUU=; b=cnfLDFOFi6zMiQW+khq/8iZZAhR7wwTsQp8lFfRK2KGYEyOZoyL2tduc33xNLVeLe1 0RpK25febg9N9/aXTO5CoW/dfcvEBa2Ghw9q6HJ3oocllbxv8B6b+d9KwK9DK2I2KaWz ZtaUBB2UUa8E2BcpXKmkSAXQrLvZ/eoZwP5RV+xjCmgB2EmsRmzBpaE3JYALoKi2QSQy JSfi6LGnWxQ8KWwj11NC9cyObsP9n8UJN+bIcJr+hSLBSl6tDA9ji4ALrBl+s2TPr0at v3PD4ZZYOK0R+otd7SrPSY2UIVFNLx+EHlzhfhczPOEZ5wIKg6UKpOw809XCt0L1Y8iq BHuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubnNXRbtNMhjv3DJk+Wxmy6QROQCm34fACUEzQqgW68eowOZLIh Zisz6N1gYg6J9cbQAO6De7eOxtzrGgw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ97q6wXiWSa8C13re4MeoKCvmVAygNRATcUua0RXj4uOnQfs8ZRqyxSFLzOpTwRaxozkA/MQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:22a4:: with SMTP id p4mr682407qkh.459.1588285003610; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j90sm944189qte.20.2020.04.30.15.16.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49CqVK2qx2z1S3n for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:16:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with kde5 Message-ID: <20200430181559.000066b1@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/xrLUlgJCYi4Bk.F6PKEBBvw"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CqVQ0dwdz484h X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=QSsfwGy8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-1.98)[ip: (-9.08), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:16:47 -0000 --Sig_/xrLUlgJCYi4Bk.F6PKEBBvw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p8 I am trying to get kde5 up and running. I have it running okay, I think; however, when I log out of it, the following message is repeated on the screen ad infinitum: ********************************************************************** qt.qpa.xcb: could not connect to display :0 qt.qpa.plugin: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found. This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem. = = =20 Available platform plugins are: wayland-org.kde.kwin.qpa, bsdfb, minimal, offscreen, vnc, wayland-egl, wayland, wayland-xcomposite-egl, wayland-xcomposite-glx, xcb ********************************************************************** I am not sure what is causing it or how to stop it. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/xrLUlgJCYi4Bk.F6PKEBBvw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl6rTkAACgkQOHMGOIfe xWT0ZAf/diI8LCa+VGlWys91cf1eAygSO2Mn5ZcQPb9VE4lD8Lw050pWmaO3AnGm V+hcr9cz2Q4H80LYAFQq72b8ndpgrX9qbT0I9TX4zmqXYAsDC4QdjQsJApS0vE2n Nn9z7DilJ9ujbtwfC0QPHiKY9/nW8NJ1SREe4LUSEvJSdRwjOYL4U6BNseD7iolK OuPwR/scvVXXWZakv0AoO9mH/hMwYAXzf6EZS8keOys1a9woEnxNwgYVVbT/sqNQ hMBm3czHDgwofgcBSAWRhQNft8cK2a/A1TPcjp2G/eZk4SbOHMDN2BwfHd3B1bKF 2dzQuvSRAhxrzXm2MdZqea3UxCgR8g== =G7fh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/xrLUlgJCYi4Bk.F6PKEBBvw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 30 22:32:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F8A2CA88F for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starrtennis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1033.google.com (mail-pj1-x1033.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cqrr1Z1rz48m3 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starrtennis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x1033.google.com with SMTP id t9so1519956pjw.0 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=isVwY/3Kh7KTqzDfBB5Tz35Q0hz7xITS0imCmcbo54o=; b=rXyc9TgJBVJQZNT86g2x+JjwdCtoxeCQd4UUQKEv19yPCmE1Zx2g89Nhw5RYBINiDi 8YO84H9axVIDniqEYJL7SNVcdiDoNizCXoCrXzlPBFtUA51CEqMKv5oJ7JVuvetjNRq9 a2jFZ2UxdPMaRtTtIAlcXsN75qM1BodPfMotFUNiNGq8300G+cgnQO9aSBqjwMQiSj8s YExeIbr0ZYuJQMF1cPxaDkDJf83D2XID4kjTz61woxko2BTxBi8/IUDZJDJC2ixCikNx sVcb0C+nJ6ZYd47iagj6StUDOWC8dc6E6smhqlDI7TCDUbsoD/pwRPwSMtrr3OjOOlwA 2Zew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=isVwY/3Kh7KTqzDfBB5Tz35Q0hz7xITS0imCmcbo54o=; b=dRlMohrQ+4rq4Xvt4A8ODoqjO17Ionx3ViJJwDFtFAXFtcEOrfBXQhP0etFg54YjLj zf5nhK1d2/N3raS/9pfFnAAHfXB79WjgrzVvVluYOPp/7s8QdwI4reKqJlrm/F2XSZjP 8rVZSPHvFOGqT5c5po9yltaIvsv2o8f1IVTC5/9t20bmb9L5EgnKHldD00lN5x16IVbZ 3G9DZarL8VBNPLbZJYaaApz3psr3SAPw2SpusA1+LE1twqPawoCWyR3OziRrABFucq9P PDmgxqrpWqJ7RwrYlLBtXf+U9FkorRRSFkloNOP2zshuwWa0czcKJCMrYMw9KLOl35Vk Pb8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZv5kdCn8PXGvdcsoKfh5EyU4yDPNtE4AgfsV/Dkg+IlUoDHdUb PvfGgv2hw+AXGSnXISAKVvfm9qBfgErlyjKI1q0ZymJe X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypK3K9SM/nnNqaOucET4SdHawRm21hkiNlOsJUwpc0wCss1VjtEj1uI8vK47ZjW7pdBDUGFAtLELO02dlFHvamw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a985:: with SMTP id bh5mr153673plb.163.1588285962585; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:32:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200430181559.000066b1@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200430181559.000066b1@seibercom.net> From: Mike Starr Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:32:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problem with kde5 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cqrr1Z1rz48m3 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:32:44 -0000 Hi Jerry. It sounds like you have things more or less under control, but I would recommend the following: 1) Find the source/address of the sub your host which is unidentified ("") 2) Read up on QuickTime? Mike On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Jerry wrote: > FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p8 > > I am trying to get kde5 up and running. I have it running okay, I > think; however, when I log out of it, the following message is repeated > on the screen ad infinitum: > > ********************************************************************** > qt.qpa.xcb: could not connect to display :0 qt.qpa.plugin: Could not > load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found. This > application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be > initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem. > > Available platform plugins are: wayland-org.kde.kwin.qpa, bsdfb, > minimal, offscreen, vnc, wayland-egl, wayland, wayland-xcomposite-egl, > wayland-xcomposite-glx, xcb > > ********************************************************************** > > I am not sure what is causing it or how to stop it. > > -- > Jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:06:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2CD2D0199 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cxx874N3z4PGX for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M4rkF-1jUdGJ3SmF-001wah; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:06:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:06:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Xdm Message-Id: <20200501050648.f5a0ab6a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wTzopPWR2AreXAtpzYCsziYdejjhMuQnA5NjoGnPE5lD7Qwj7O4 +92ZnERel3qUFTIKyHMaF3aBEGG3VDn1B5p1p5X0sOv1EHCB3q0wx+pdkWdsNuhEjCeEt4G 2pM1jPrZvobNVG+jfsB8sfLqQBDyKo+qNW1/AKkYvruuXnP/Jmtg+rMpoQmm0CUMiCgPpVK Y0VWa/YAoA12GXwPTPHdQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6G2TwvsHFIc=:w8EAup0otV029HXM/D7/Pn eWUDBrZjGsBzfRNLoVA6CX9dZbpf++nAys/OUxPSNedZZ/ISw14DRpZbiHmawvH6we2Jhp8IN sN5AvtR7EQ3m+EmPxFhpsOppBTOrHSkKx6EEzQENGtkXyYA4DyKkgHyH01tTyRjRG6k4thl6m a4guBT1EbTYWw7NbYtTxUEGoz3VyOLUqGjP6gOb6Pl/grm7PRjs/jnyJ9KzEcGGSSVQKzpLs4 a5xUA27CT7alkxK/dlpt1de0QR1hV0PF81WKGauM5o0U/2TAe4qCxc8ngAJI7/Xb/qJk6P7Je 0D5NrGasTGLdC9LcUbQXV05h3jahFuJYPuHxoQNJTjubuZZnK8zfsZAbIB3IFMgujmjlPJNZb yOBtJQ1Ro6rBi55pHOdQ7HS/hgWGTazdH/mUTdHb1xH3COdfZt4wvWwEUbFIezFof9gYDaNqO LY6DAneOgXzUIE7WqGmBBmtP3Mvo2j2lXWo5U66c4UGWNULKkhTM3SsktlTW62lATz28qfcZX pC38N9nECMvPBtTBXtj2GR1/WM9S2Icac0SjeB4FgMcJV+8wBfQ2tX36RvnLcF8ny7jNcD5kS wTKnB8g7ECtdjwNWgwkG/Il+fv5Z7jqkMVKNrD5nGxKd92eRV9x05gfLcNkVVUrbme+BaLz00 Ut2Vm/zEcgJo3PwvqJkxAHFzqwbrUW6erPTzBEezaieL/EJeoPAqHoExNG2DUV1v4YJszK97P OZIwjMrJuJGFtWwzOf2sEcasypmZVL3LZp6bG0frhtJ+8vngb0xs9GjbtqYGznKGSQpwRoQEW Ob7Z25CxNsvqfvpZ+W5aIbo0aUEdoqgZJc4zJOidjFNCe02+vC5/y4gaMAqfF5lKIwI4XiGT/ piEJXHaQbkYgxid3/qjw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cxx874N3z4PGX X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.74 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.861,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.47)[ip: (1.55), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.22), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:06:54 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:08:34 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I installed xdm and changed entry in ttyv0. When I turn my computer > on it goes to this log in manager but it doesn't let me through > for root or my user. First of all, there are two ways of setting up xdm. The line you should modify in /etc/ttys is supposed to be ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure Not ttyv0, which is the console entry. It should not be changed in order to deal with X. Only change the "off" to "on" in the xdm line. Documentation and example here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html The modern approach, i. e. the one that is recommended now, is to add the following to /etc/rc.conf: xdm_enable="YES" In this case, no modification of /etc/ttys is needed. Furthermore, you should make sure xdm finds a valid initialization file for the user. The name is ~/.xinitrc. However, if you already have a ~/.xsession file for the user (read when you enter the "startx" command), there is no reason to keep duplicate entries. Just use the "cascading approach": In ~/.xsession: #!/bin/csh source ~/.cshrc exec ~/.xinitrc Keep in mind that if you're _not_ going to use FreeBSD's default dialog shell as your login shell, you'll have to change those lines to match your setting, for example, bash or zsh. In ~/.xinitrc: #!/bin/sh # startup programs [ -f ~/.xmodmaprc ] && xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc numlockx xbinkeys # additional settings xsetroot -solid rgb:3b/4c/7a xset b 100 1000 15 & xset r rate 250 30 & xset s off & xset -dpms & # window manager exec wmaker Always make sure the last line, the "exec" line, contains the correct call for the window manager or desktop environment you want to use. Depending on that, the complexity of the "exec" line can vastly increase. :-) You can find related documentation in The FreeBSD Handbook. In worst case, or for testing, use "exec xterm", and when you exit that terminal, X should be shut down, and you should be back at the xdm login screen. In worst case, let the text "exec xterm" be the only line (for testing) in .xinitrc; this should _always_ work. For testing. The #! line in .xinitrc of course is optional. :-) Allow me a final note: Logging in as root to an X session is discouraged for security reasons. The common way is logging in as a user, and then using tools like su, sudo or super to gain UID 0 privilege, typically from an X terminal or using GUI tools provided by the desktop environment in use (Gnome: gksude, if I remember correctly). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:09:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBEA2D03D9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cxzv3HcCz4PQ6 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mow06-1ioztG1Tt0-00qTQG; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:09:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:09:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Cc: Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating from 11.3-stable to 12.1-stable? 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Yes, mostly - the mergemaster calls are a bit different. But Makefile explicitely suggests to see UPDATING for "more complete information", so the entries in UPDATING shouldn't be any worse. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:11:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D27E2D0672 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cy2S6fGZz4Pty for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MnaTt-1in5Fj33Rd-00jZ0H; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:11:26 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:11:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. 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If you can, use labels to avoid those kinds of problem. :-) https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-glabel.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:16:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9132D0997 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cy7w37LHz4Q8f for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M9FX5-1jZ0qo23PD-006SUS; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:16:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:16:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange =?UTF-8?Q?bea=E2=94=82hio?= in daily messsges Message-Id: <20200501051605.05339635.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2a178278-fd90-189e-edcd-dbe224ea94d5@holgerdanske.com> References: <20200430044801.GA22722@mithril.foucry.net> <2a178278-fd90-189e-edcd-dbe224ea94d5@holgerdanske.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:l7myKb0TnOOkNwuM+67nMQJUJKm1Imp4j6K9ad7YUBCu7V6V2cb qwobQgCgeeuo9LVHwyEfyuDoPmh6oPHELIZe0YuLTKzLVZkQvgrENiAiYa1CZpHiUm6cUdK zwFs/4wHXKilJH0/YYCP5NzPjbPTNP+3Jjx8CwctNtNGaUd2uYbKYyZbgQFZ1qy30YcenKP twsr9Y0+ipclQMf3jD1Mg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gja1uhEpmY8=:Cgfu5MleG/NuNlRtIocE2b 5nV7cx7WuFlntVmoAWs90vswTEHNjmEWTkj+YlIqaqGolz77aQCgGvwi5Gn/bYbTrOgZmsWlq djq9tQBW0hAX7VsFbZv7VXaqhkp4IW7mwmVLSJMLg50Uqh28kRAlSXxgAIkU6Iwg7ObDUDjDu Bi5YeqXJGsM5TlF8QIM+5kCoPpGTyZToJYx6V2S+uTjaeUpqw+bHQ7qRf0gzBprF6EmdsRhPH /xJQbJ/NmziBiu4tswuaTwo1DjgtMGeolZdkXXYaPDpTmDEAU50JXavNni9M4D9zg0h3pFLAh V+TohTA3ZOfBdr8o+I3M4dlDfmuxzFz68tHTv+sjo/umoMbBPDQnBXxDmODTr+riBxEdCm9+J vGY+RyL9ihsTwhK2ijzh2AYk4gu5T0tGJeJVO3rcTw6Kor8vKBvTsuQRP8GcYR/AGbKLMNy0P FZgMi6MbUafowI2vF83FFQEcHtpQHfzBVshj0i4I3G0NPL84xGqF+H1WhHbI+BOl+cvB9tFFK LKrBW+vKqOVGSCXEPTgrbzkGkCXa2cJS3ZmyDXY157rMRNRZBZsWI3L7jTSes0OFeS6d5Xp42 3ABHemxlnLwBByXgNdeZZrlYp1u5IQKMumt4vfYBvJPLa66PwDrNnpXBjaYCxFKxGNoKhcxJl EOtSW1ipZnBF/5rAQOVaufVFIdkyqa+f319C0LhoVfxHWH46eDgVYWbcwPUwySR8Gb4+H5TPP PgPElvMwcOrNaiO00NwbRdDpz7iCRqCIyRkwjnXyn5h+SXk+WyQH18GtHJwqiFoBp61TAHwJq jBLP5e5RX636dhSEZARN3P00abUAx5mAPEMZABrKRDSNgnBUINAvoLDhFLba7xI/uDYZcI7 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cy7w37LHz4Q8f X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.135) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.248,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.22)[ip: (0.28), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.22), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:16:14 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:22:03 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > It appears signal 10 is a bus error: > > https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/sys/signal.h No need to reference external GitHub resources - the local documentation provided by the OS has the required information. >From "man 3 signal": No Name Default Action Description 10 SIGBUS create core image bus error And there's always /usr/include/sys/signal.h containing the same information. :-) > This page clarifies the meaning of "bus error": > > https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/segmentation-fault-sigsegv-vs-bus-error-sigbus/ > > > My guess would be the latter case -- unaligned memory access. This > could be a coding bug (struct not laid out for 64-bit architecture?) or > a misconfigured compile (?). Sometimes, defective RAM (or something related to RAM) also leads to SIGBUS, but in most cases, that is more of a "surprise error", rather than a "predictable error". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:18:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3F42D0AA0 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CyBJ0V3dz4QGF for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MAwPZ-1jJ7uM1H3p-00BNBy; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:18:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:18:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Xdm var/log/xdm.log Message-Id: <20200501051811.2b24d320.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CbCXOqktsy/xk/jHjvxXJt8zdtK0r5H0+PUGL2o52AuPLUl6hwc ZtOGvED8L8rn/TpUT+54MyObfnVRgsUTh9roqqe9akZcLqEGncO7WwQJVGbmYnL2Y7Zr0uT GDowLRghBIKskxJiRCgGHU3V9OIkeK758osBexFhF1z48e82C9ly1+ep0l6iqqSXgG1oOJT O/qxZT1l1bSBiWMzHeDOA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Hfg1yFFxeTs=:9FsK9NhqgdG9yb0LP7v8pe FIhweS7vKsMJr2Y8Iiw/VB+9Eu0W3uFRfAYR5HOfsMkJiiILGXFKwDzMdGx8RHGwPNDhjfS1q iAW8RSR6/W8jPLvNyb+uis21RISDQKpm0Jfc+BWSIiuI95Jh5p3rytRJ4y2f1r79gWFLNn374 1RyDrMoQtJXZWKdSfOUcv9d1+Sr+t2aKETHZUd60z3Cbi4UoYuO80ogoSlO2Xo71Ir3bA7apw qeIxR0hwfC5e8Z3NZUFBaQwFCvoBqiGzXj5K1qfPWKLhD+INHP/y/hef9/ID21UK8oKhBHyRL xz8iqf3nOqH8hBYHDkZzBpvsmAyEmR5506BgCCG8fWkQzG70rTNNlLwthSgFmSynHzo7EYuIv bfKrrtZnpQFMEoiVbtqpKTgQhuyhV4S9HZhQ6847zO7AO3kzwrzYj5ZAmAPnfV9wbafTcJQNK ir6UQy+8yvCxOil+Z63i3IO4Y2n9QDypjzgELeYFEZ2V50nn25OHo0Vh/M8DyQb+vbKjKNYt+ 6WuvW4kmJmv/pjnEUdf2Pj6/Qad8T5CBeyOMJ+ZS0ue4+PAzbVdoBNvYhUrLg4+MDd8P83RhN aCdsR8OecX+iGoUSZwK5aSgECQCWLSU27H+i5/PSt0QxhcsLGmv9uts8qjaW9Nqd2LKEE/E0t KdRxJ2TjOejTJ+XZUuFZ5yFxNXBf1xROxY/ZSHU2pM0ETpj/JOUlToo83V1mR6sIG10VryXkg Ev+ULusOYjYAeJYQ4xAmVleHylzWbZxPNmRYP4npCeYXD9UnMbViKHGi21CdNLWGok8U7RMNv nk2ePVP/i+T3WzAbmq6rlo16uE67ejmS8cqjZbOrgUakn7TpssnDgG4ioYURema8EYg4Mw0FO OHrclYdMbuQ1obYOBbMg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CyBJ0V3dz4QGF X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.35 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.54)[0.544,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.40)[ip: (1.19), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.22), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:18:17 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:22:38 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > Trying to get through xdm login screen and can't find what's wrong, > can't get through. Here's what it says. > The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > >internal error: could not resolve keysym xf86fullscreen errors > from xkbcomp are not fatal to the xserver > Xdm info (pid) 1409 sourcing /usr/local/etc/x11/xdm/xsetup_0 That doesn't seem to be related. Check your xdm initialisation and the user configuration files, it's possible that those are empty or not present, so what you get is "login + immediately logout" which might appear as "doesn't login", because the computer is good at doing things fast. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:29:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4562D2D1024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CyRp2f7dz4Qwc for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M3DBd-1jSzKB43jx-003i83; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:29:47 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:29:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= Cc: Christoph Kukulies , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a failed with error 19. 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Technically, they are to be set while the partition in question is _not mounted_ (i. e., this would also work in multi-user mode if you can unmount the partitions you're going to label in that particular mode). The restriction of / is that it usually will work when / is mounted read-only. To be fully safe, you could always boot from a USB stick or a FreeBSD installation CD or DVD, and use that environment for the labeling operation. Of course the single-user mode still is a convenient solution for this specific requirement. > 1. Reboot to singleuser mode. > 2. Hit the enter key when asked about which shell to launch. > 3. tunefs -L root /dev/ad0s1a > 4. Ditto for the other *UFS* partitions. Consult your /etc/fstab. > 5. Verify the labels using dumpfs /dev/ad0s1a > 6. Reboot to multiuser mode. > 7. Duplicate the necessary lines in /etc/fstab. > 8. Comment out the original lines, in case you must revert. > 9. Change the duplicate lines to refer to /dev/ufs/root, etc. > 10. Reboot to see if you have succeeded. > 11. Remove the original lines in /etc/fstab, if desired. Correct - this will be the UFS labels, one out of three methods of labeling (glabel and ufsid being the other two). Note that those relate to UFS filesystems, not to the partitioning scheme they have been created in; it also works for "dedicated" (i. e., when you don't have any partitioning at all). Documentation and further inspiration can be found here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-glabel.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html However, on modern system you should probably use GPT and add GPT labels. Use MBR (or dedicated) only if you have a good reason to do so. :-) Note that the different labeling mechanisms result in specific naming conventions in /etc/fstab (/dev/ufs/..., /dev/label/..., /dev/gpt/..., ufsid/... and so on). > I recall issues in the past using glabel(8) which stores the label in=20 > the last disk block (sector) of the partition. Hence the labeled=20 > device file should present a device which is one disk block shorter to=20 > avoid the label being overwritten. Maybe someone else can chime in on=20 > this. Yes, this is something you will have to pay attention to, especially when you want to re-use a disk for something else. If I remember correctly, dealing with them also requires the setting of a debug flag (sysctl) for proper label destruction. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:36:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EE02D126C for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cyb94MvCz4RJ5 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M3UlW-1jToVV2xPO-000f46; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:36:19 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:36:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mike Starr Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with kde5 Message-Id: <20200501053619.504ad570.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200430181559.000066b1@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CQoKc4oGRhTbfIKhPqhWLd2gyx84Cd6MUYJkTCMywP5t+2CbTcg cOQy5R+l3e2fkLka+ECLGi7WelojTzljfCWnN4m4kcJTs/GkhdCarzZjF5AT/DnmoOrpLpQ 7A0Wu6MBPzs7q+aZeGEWdbcR1sOOAze6SyHaqiJ5Vu4msGJStN0TDdzqz8kZPUZ1RjNhHH0 WM/+9PB8pn9+EeE+Fg1lw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:SrI06iMgiUY=:PVQnj06OLoEU9+fbMVDhN8 t2nYQErGFghnTabDekJK+Ce8miOzhtJRlE+CXEHGaB6jFy+1nkFEYuBqyomaHUpw95LSpY8Gl fNc43Fvu+L4gPVT0EadblmqDk/pRj+IjJayfFDxJG3+12Y6vUY6ab1rsfc8J+2TWeMsmR5iWz GWGhURYzGB3EDXyjj7Bt54hFWyuqByf4c70DmezWpksNKO/P3iSacckTl3fx/+d/d8RPA5TL9 9E2CGpOcILGMazc8AKVdbO3R6g8peKCIiaZP0YIDmRedtN2JeX/O2WbQ6VaKnNnlZ13ONDeQi LH+9LcgUgxNPN/ljzCeCFB7dfoNeRQkD/i1Cd7Q8f1zFxYu74aCZlAf9MebY/VNiHl7nelMbl 0ko4kmAKzW+fCqK7+sLGRcS+qwsNhsdrCo4kpghdK1K7ORpZZzqRC78Urll8o1ioh8pB5vEam 0BxYTE97wPVBbzXXHAxm+IEY3GwcWe83e6JhE+r9qXhq5A68C4IeVLuVGFuOocvaSGTxZjV1N mNLWKgsKk6nJP4jzPP9Nrae9mUWyeoUzdHy7DST4kBAoEXZq3HNFV5MdAsYzJSgfv+g6RlOVK nyimI/W+jMXUAcLcVpgRQyMVycR1NchSyOE6ZYhnSuNe/wrmGTkUep9Box/gJKAQNDf19gdsn WClsUw4qQ8Ax0pBTCT1pJWWzAblNwPZfIbweUbnY3X/wHdXHzt1P6nwkuSf2p/CzAAMKXr40t a3iWEpB7rZImW1tqFBUDrTO1oKcvZc72xo0cBDrljv0S0EP18HszzsJRNGo9L3M1j8deQzhQX MKz6pYeXUezJav15TWqMay1uYvLDnfrEDa+nCMLXX2MM+20fmR8ksJ2EEZd38qTh0xCTACS X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cyb94MvCz4RJ5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.52 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.654,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.47)[ip: (1.52), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:36:22 -0000 On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:32:31 -0700, Mike Starr wrote: > Hi Jerry. It sounds like you have things more or less under control, but I > would recommend the following: > > 1) Find the source/address of the sub your host which is unidentified ("") According to the error message presented, it seems that some KDE component (here: an interface to xcb - probably "X cut buffers") tries to contact the X host system after it has been shut down, but the component is still running. I guess it from those messages: [...] however, when I log out of it, the following message is repeated on the screen ad infinitum: [...] qt.qpa.xcb: could not connect to display :0 qt.qpa.plugin: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found. This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem. Here we find (again) a typical exhibit of today's way of phrasing error messages that leaves us with a question: WHICH application is the message taking about? The user would probably be absolutely happy to try to re-install the application if he knew which one. ;-) Conclusion (guess): Depending on if KDM is being used, or if the KDE session is started with a "startx" command after console login, it looks like the KDE user session didn't properly terminate when the session was closed. Check process list to see if you can find something is running that shouldn't be running. > 2) Read up on QuickTime? No, in this case, "qt" and "Qt" refer to the toolkit used by KDE. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 03:59:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8753D2D1657 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cz6J62jWz4S1C for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MV5nC-1jdoVJ3bOQ-00S3uv; Fri, 01 May 2020 05:59:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 05:59:47 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xdm Message-Id: <20200501055947.895016a6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200501050648.f5a0ab6a.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:c50cHtZb3h4vje1da0wye+hgymBfhLhhy25gEBJ3m3p+71WJPZX wl70wCJtKCwl/4yGqP+m2+QCOtAzay98HGVyEuV3dd1YBO8HFyLT+L2mzE0bgTG4wr02xLb dOO/tq4ZpOFbo0XTSbNV2jM1T4tyO4KUaoDPzZakyr7VTuZXovmjKZCoqB/zMqVCsL5xOOd BkGFGNGrP1U0bOG4rD31w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lxymaZicWBw=:PwZQSxWJYNHEv5llFrvbnn q1gOoZ74FvMNPQJtCf2WLHSVWZwfa4t3n/RIgbRdUkbHFbWyxzqkZDxwV3wNnxDoJyVxoLmbO x/lssfyRFF/MIDdH/JosOHyi62seEedz3YS2XNZWGtrJodDrMF4ukPNSnCDFo8Zgx97//56qG 87Qjx/dv5mpPiwSHETuuqMJAjXU2dvwHhJbvhLE09iFOxLsruUeT4VbftIT2AY46qYrP4fIe1 Ml8XBgQSQ2R5al8lx/LrYmD6EHQJz68vkDodC6LCOn4pfKIeLTKNXJ1pItkTyVXBVpHi30IxW RoWe8di413rY8q6tnlw9yp0y+PErR8D/pR6YFS0wQr6oyCp1jPkIJ6qJiHh3pnwAiS6KcKYbH 12+iOUNreXPU1cOrVpGngOBEM6Ydxli2RDHEd59dzanwThyHi1a4MBDmb2sfOnZ314r8nvzg2 f/0Pny64TL3t0LjkSq0r6+/tKDioIGkXCyWz2ztoXNQ1lhEawERFPhnOQwwy4z367WXRNl9GJ M6VoklYxRGHXIOtmItt6c5I1COJOr5C2nIBpvR6LogwiT5GE66X+C4ELw9YiAb3hJynp2Htc/ ONs/wA3l26nlziEQWE/aisoyRcYPZZ//+Q0Qw1MQMrw1PD078RcdOU9IRQYmIJEZJAC+2Snzy pBZEwsL0QnP7X1ol+6HSIS1Ls6Zzv0KSnz0ifRYSuFGLbbTHggxHtTPptpAUTYrxsOwDJloU2 gyN27IMqDg3UXChi+ank6PU7Q7RkU3BPZ6SrdnIBhX6Kwa8E4t+/rCLO/txorCbixih7hlS/k txYonv9qjX+ro6+Lt7YZRz1oNUqoMjiMju9yqE1Lmmcp17ru5QO5rLO/jmRGe69+xX4fnOhm8 YS5bqCVNKb8qZYTPfxuA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cz6J62jWz4S1C X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.68)[0.677,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.46)[ip: (1.50), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:59:53 -0000 Re-including list, hope that's okay; use your "reply all" function or at least reply to the mailing list. :-) On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:23 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I don't understand your instructions for xsession entries. > My apologies for wasting you typing. Please continue to help > I'm receptive. THose are files located in your home directory, usually /home/, abbreviated with the ~ synbol. Those files start with a . ("hidden files") and are read during the X startup process. When you're using "startx" to start your X session, .xinitrc will be read. When you use xdm, after successful login it will use .xsession and ignore .xinitrc. .xinitrc ---> startx .xsession ---> xdm The idea to be more flexible, and have your X configuration in only one file, is to use a "cascading approach": If xdm is used, it reads .xsession, which "continues" as .xinitrc; all done. If you use "startx", only .xinitrc will be used; same. The _content_ of .xinitrc depends on what desktop environment you have installed, or which window manager you wish to use. In my case (and therefore the example), it's WindowMaker, plus a few custom additions. For testing, you should be fine using a simple "exec xterm" file. So start by creating the following files: First, ~/.xsession: #!/bin/csh source ~/.cshrc exec ~/.xinitrc I assume you're using FreeBSD's default login shell for dialog users, which is the C shell; if you're using bash or zsh or ksh, you need to change those entries accordingly. Then, ~/.xinitrc: exec xterm Deviation: If you do _not_ need this flexibility, ignore .xinitrc entirely, and just for testing, have exec xterm in your ~/.xsession file. But as you said (later on) you already have a .xinitrc file, let's go with the "cascading approach". This should be enough for first testing, i. e., to see if the login process works as intended. If it's successful, you will see an X terminal, nothing else, no window decorations, but that is not needed for testing. Enter "exit" or press Ctrl+d to exit the terminal - now the xdm login screen should appear again. Do _not_ test this with "root", as I mentioned, only with your user name. Now, if you see that xterm, you can manually enter "fluxbox" for further testing. Note that Fluxbox's logout function will not work as desired - it will quit Fluxbox, but you need to close the X terminal to end the X session (because that is the "controlling process" that keeps X alive). On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:28:15 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I meant ttyv8 like you said. Correct. > I have xinitrc with fluxbox exec in it. Excellent! This should be fully okay (probably "exec fluxbox", maybe something before that). But as I said, xdm will not care for .xinitrc. THat is the reason for the "cascading approach". I'm using xdm here, but I have my configuration in .xinitrc. THat's why .xsession does the following: #!/bin/csh The first line tells the interpreter and the reader that this file is to be processed using the C shell. source ~/.cshrc The second line will source my shell configuration from the C shell's initialisation file for interactive shells. exec ~/.xinitrc The third line will continue execution under the name of ~/.xinitrc. >From the viewpoint of xdm, the execution control is now as follows .xsession -> .xinitrc -> window manager So if the window manager (or desktop environment) exits, the X session will be closed - exactly as desired. > What do I do with xdm to make it work? Well, xdm will read .xsession if it is present. I'm not sure if it's still required to make it executable (could be some "cargo cult"), but in worst case, try: % chmod +x ~/.xsession The permissions should then be -rwxr-xr-x. Verify with "ls -l". > I'm confused about your instructions, do I put in a line > for xdm anywhere Not needed. If you have the /etc/ttys entry, and you see the xdm login screen, everything is fine. You just have to make sure that ~/.xsession "contains the truth", i. e. possible path names are correct, and Fluxbox is installed. Also see the file ~/.xsession-errors for a possible message. On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:23 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I don't understand your instructions for xsession entries. > My apologies for wasting you typing. Please continue to help > I'm receptive This is only needed if you wanted to be able to use both xdm and "startx" (can be useful for experimental and learning systems). If you know you will only be using xdm, it's not needed. Ignore .xinitrc, and have .xsession just contain the programs you need for your X session, typically ending in "exec " for your window manager or desktop environment. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 04:05:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D8C2D18E7 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49CzDJ6l0cz4SSm for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M5wgF-1jViMw1hUp-007XyP; Fri, 01 May 2020 06:05:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 06:05:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xdm var/log/xdm.log Message-Id: <20200501060500.4a89db8b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200501051811.2b24d320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501053836.76a32eaf.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:tDb4XwxXBm2leZ4JmNjUCApUPJKJoDs3gmdyIX0nJvTQqRNbGHF zit813W7+3dZq7aPPxojoLgzX02UA2rhb4x+G+MRXfqtH9dqE2vSKITIZbWyKUuhqfwoyNx qKSTctlLlqarLIeoFzbyxGvxA1ILMT9QX4C8ZlFnqy9d4H5hzhqALDCI3ziVWspInVDTrk8 ANLklPRxSPsYcURSB4Sxw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qwh7LEeNk1E=:oA0QIf9CnDQ+eXHamDePJI 26W3TpbqI69KFtqRIJtiSFH6iZ2z5/rs/8w3T5jiAmNu2tAd1ym3ROmciIE8J1T4faAHMqjYP AjoLgqjmb1RhOxWf1j+67Cinwse4IgVd6LeRpeOmuMWYIUs7gywUi9b84laVYJCSNp3NmftRz CL2ZguN7exGyCs6NZ774yohDEgyc96CaCNGn+zrPf6WWoZAIDXYV7g5gxxRrXcRjJz+cNDKsP vIdoMpexhvCpRY+rz1e7p+SXoXWxojZ7M8h8yfT1WFZ1Ze47z4NVmVPTchJgJ8DbVgqKIzaxu mFJQDR/Q6eFZCgIwe2rJRClhYbz0B3kXSlP1nQsxamRu2Xwrhy68/OQsnzQUI/0BKl+wXdw8E qinYcSo1z0xRHQiRwebQmr5//4lSyeWI0uOaLY+9OfW1B1mF/JSQai/tZG3phk7EVhpyWQviW Obn9t0ggTpHbqfTrwQFtpTOTlhS2o2uOrMctUDZTyknlrxBOx1v3T1f28wVCA5kuqkm2SbLsg N51pRmDnlwgfoZGqTfOrCbPt5flrYL3Hvv1s8suq60WXcRY7N50YZm05SxYtR2ilBCFJDNHz+ 64lon4+jOrZDB49qHyA/l61WpfGi2TbUX/ZeerRIyJZxAQVSA9HAVBQSUWIOlnYq3ROwWz9/I gHHU6zeeomf0c7DLPwo9iQNK454eQRvuHA1YIBoVe5uS9Y2LBQ/coZeK0Qa67PQx6TSc4X71R j/TA47nDSpTdRPeFFAAvaJcn5iWInG0jD7HVX94Oi+3hUeDh7IDQDKDdNm14zWsnLOE1c3V+J vtxPaDv6L++n1NiCgusPjGw1jIfM+7GJ7VSCYZQK00UxKihCm44f1Xk5HvOJxQKJcbqSLyf X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49CzDJ6l0cz4SSm X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.24)[0.237,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ip: (0.60), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.06), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 04:05:05 -0000 On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:45:18 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > Ok, I will add xsession. NB: .xsession (the dot is significant). Or you can do the following, as you said you already have a .xinitrc (which xdm will ignore, as mentioned): % cp .xinitrc .xsession This will also work (if the content of .xinitrc is valid). However, testing should first start with the simple things, and after success, advance to the more complex things, that's why I suggested checking the general X login / logout mechanism first with an "exec xterm" line. > I'm not even sure what a login shell or any of that is so > I don't know what you mean by the lines I should put in xsession. A login shell is the shell that is executed after you have successfully provided your username and password. The shell is, per default, the C shell in FreeBSD, even though other shells are often used. It "holds your session alive", i. e., when the login shell exits, you will be logged out. The shell is defined in /etc/passwd, the entry is generated when you use tools like adduser or pw to create a new user. You can find out easily what's your login shell, e. g.: % echo $SHELL /bin/csh That is the C shell, FreeBSD's default dialog shell. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 04:15:03 -0000 Has anybody else had any problems logging in with xdm? Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Polytropon Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:59:47 PM To: Brandon helsley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xdm Re-including list, hope that's okay; use your "reply all" function or at least reply to the mailing list. :-) On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:23 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I don't understand your instructions for xsession entries. > My apologies for wasting you typing. Please continue to help > I'm receptive. THose are files located in your home directory, usually /home/, abbreviated with the ~ synbol. Those files start with a . ("hidden files") and are read during the X startup process. When you're using "startx" to start your X session, .xinitrc will be read. When you use xdm, after successful login it will use .xsession and ignore .xinitrc. .xinitrc ---> startx .xsession ---> xdm The idea to be more flexible, and have your X configuration in only one file, is to use a "cascading approach": If xdm is used, it reads .xsession, which "continues" as .xinitrc; all done. If you use "startx", only .xinitrc will be used; same. The _content_ of .xinitrc depends on what desktop environment you have installed, or which window manager you wish to use. In my case (and therefore the example), it's WindowMaker, plus a few custom additions. For testing, you should be fine using a simple "exec xterm" file. So start by creating the following files: First, ~/.xsession: #!/bin/csh source ~/.cshrc exec ~/.xinitrc I assume you're using FreeBSD's default login shell for dialog users, which is the C shell; if you're using bash or zsh or ksh, you need to change those entries accordingly. Then, ~/.xinitrc: exec xterm Deviation: If you do _not_ need this flexibility, ignore .xinitrc entirely, and just for testing, have exec xterm in your ~/.xsession file. But as you said (later on) you already have a .xinitrc file, let's go with the "cascading approach". This should be enough for first testing, i. e., to see if the login process works as intended. If it's successful, you will see an X terminal, nothing else, no window decorations, but that is not needed for testing. Enter "exit" or press Ctrl+d to exit the terminal - now the xdm login screen should appear again. Do _not_ test this with "root", as I mentioned, only with your user name. Now, if you see that xterm, you can manually enter "fluxbox" for further testing. Note that Fluxbox's logout function will not work as desired - it will quit Fluxbox, but you need to close the X terminal to end the X session (because that is the "controlling process" that keeps X alive). On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:28:15 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I meant ttyv8 like you said. Correct. > I have xinitrc with fluxbox exec in it. Excellent! This should be fully okay (probably "exec fluxbox", maybe something before that). But as I said, xdm will not care for .xinitrc. THat is the reason for the "cascading approach". I'm using xdm here, but I have my configuration in .xinitrc. THat's why .xsession does the following: #!/bin/csh The first line tells the interpreter and the reader that this file is to be processed using the C shell. source ~/.cshrc The second line will source my shell configuration from the C shell's initialisation file for interactive shells. exec ~/.xinitrc The third line will continue execution under the name of ~/.xinitrc. >From the viewpoint of xdm, the execution control is now as follows .xsession -> .xinitrc -> window manager So if the window manager (or desktop environment) exits, the X session will be closed - exactly as desired. > What do I do with xdm to make it work? Well, xdm will read .xsession if it is present. I'm not sure if it's still required to make it executable (could be some "cargo cult"), but in worst case, try: % chmod +x ~/.xsession The permissions should then be -rwxr-xr-x. Verify with "ls -l". > I'm confused about your instructions, do I put in a line > for xdm anywhere Not needed. If you have the /etc/ttys entry, and you see the xdm login screen, everything is fine. You just have to make sure that ~/.xsession "contains the truth", i. e. possible path names are correct, and Fluxbox is installed. Also see the file ~/.xsession-errors for a possible message. On Fri, 1 May 2020 03:29:23 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I don't understand your instructions for xsession entries. > My apologies for wasting you typing. Please continue to help > I'm receptive This is only needed if you wanted to be able to use both xdm and "startx" (can be useful for experimental and learning systems). If you know you will only be using xdm, it's not needed. Ignore .xinitrc, and have .xsession just contain the programs you need for your X session, typically ending in "exec " for your window manager or desktop environment. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 04:34:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF712D20C7 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Czt321smz4TdV for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:34:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M6YEz-1jWKO11J7Z-006z3n; Fri, 01 May 2020 06:34:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 06:34:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Xdm Message-Id: <20200501063416.1d15c54f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200501050648.f5a0ab6a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501055947.895016a6.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:v5Mz5nh+fGPRHfkEIifqzndrHnYdGACoj8YnDL3mWOjlFfaJYwi YnWZbF+KTftTqv43NqhaczepLWX3QLL1Wsd4gxXcDKVmWCTaW4lvTkmR7MK4qdDb8oTQMO/ 9oAuZh8c+ZK97L1m7NjDutGGe/nR4uQgXAurEiV7kEGW+vQXie0aCo6L/0apmJoMlSF3Hhw 83r9K+0Zq+i0lSvCoZhfA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IgJMomDRV4Q=:frQ5VGGUVCTci8JJ0L27rU 848X+pIjafNdh9DbzCzdQ27BP1oaIQeDXlWJ9j3qsVVnS2Kui56yOvDdds6cCeAoS27coOmhr qjf9fg2NOX7OeKSGvVj+hcBMAJhBurZYCe9id1zRqVRCxIKtblyzqzkQrD+Lod5i3XXSZpuQN VxPa4zfnuxXFhR4JeMTgQgjsZ39Pzw2xAAI413ltzC/NHmPjOrO91ynywcHPrII4sYbwtDyh4 d/BH27LMlFKKG5s/d4VWqXaS49w3m7VtNPhHs8eg5765qgFyNGy8Cr5EH0Ctp2nQRXvUsCoX9 D0PvXPHbQWwLewv2jbqpFy9brsFsnqdI33O3g35wBD4Z1o3NLFcVEatqReV47dI9rRREaFofA MXaw9oj6zAW57jTsFkP2r/BXKJItuHqt3PRNvpFhALsl4QnQ8FVehTzXHAQQMSK3YCELS34ji NTiIUQW+R/K4Y2k1tSFaj28qfMow78JEZ4vuUZ6rYGtOa5OL1KlENPUILa2CuTpbojeo+SJlH SA/v0tz8QfL5rWOyE94KfJsHoNSakfYn9we/DhrFC2EMddylJo4gA/Hj8KYroSDkpXWLbswIr yqhalFXLQXuiIROLOeS2NOseK2mHN8qsU+RuZr+IGlCnEH1fro9lShXCpwVDmpHfwIbwmqp26 R9JI09ATPOsauHLWFoH4cBv9h5jDWpw/pgYM16JTW7ljCT6UawFIF6bGnjp+ErNPxEUSy+mIU HbgJtjfEaIxlWDgzcWHsXyndgEnM7LaAS4R+vPzpoFuMhhXJfLZC8JwIzaAi+K4C6DXBmdhwe z4niosUC7JSbnQ8FqlAfqa+XTuWhduQD7USSv23q4VJITx3lj5hcOH7zZyKOauJDBD7aGIQLs UJ0qVGtj1dLFfn7HyBeg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Czt321smz4TdV X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.23 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.56)[0.562,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.27)[ip: (0.51), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.05), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 04:34:20 -0000 On Fri, 1 May 2020 04:14:58 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > Has anybody else had any problems logging in with xdm? >From your description, it doesn't look like you're having problems logging with xdm - you probably don't have the ~/.xsession file required by xdm. I suggest checking for the obvious and simple things first, using simple tests. Also always have a look at possible error files, such in case of xdm - ~/.xsession-errors: Does it contain anything suspicious? Check the documentation here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x11.html Both xdm and the use of window managers and desktop environments are covered. Also note that your user should be member of the "video" group. # pw groupmod video -m || pw groupmod wheel -m The fact that you can already see the xdm login screen confirms that X is working, so the first step is covered. ;-) For further assistance, it would be nice if you could state which version of FreeBSD and which version of X you are using and what (related) packages you have installed, as well as the content of relevant configuration files (most important, your user's ~/.xsession), plus anything that pops up in error message logs (especially related to xdm, your user's ~/.xsession-errors). Diagnostics only work good when you can state what you have, what you did, and what result you got. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 05:06:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F82C2CFAB2 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49D0bj5Rwdz4bqF for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 05:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MsqMq-1jAVaJ0w3c-00tEbn; Fri, 01 May 2020 07:06:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:06:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xdm Message-Id: <20200501070654.b20b0c65.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200501050648.f5a0ab6a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501055947.895016a6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501063416.1d15c54f.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:o0MqI8OJ//BLJKXl6hI3mfcOQ2BPSvUg0Yr5LElwEKitweuN7kw R5eKeOvXx9xzKbqYUG1CeFYkxa+LnRKxUj17EghlKoJKdm+jPuNq6EsU29Qw8FHLmXni1Hy ubvldNvRwat6tKc79FCecX8iNMHxzKLEecAvP4YbTSTZuTxgLJLUsmBKjgxqRcWI+gSwbaL UHc7V7f3IXWR76vI5c81A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LQ2fhyxHh68=:c7yu8VJr0qnEerEOmQii46 S+bHvyqSCiLsq6ZpCyEB3UsyIzOP1ZlzDrjONz3xa99SNtT8ynM52hO/sW3n5l/dlQNNQQ5hF b7Z4f0sKqC4CWslkDOHQFrY4AEXGKMAwTEgNTteubfbzPq05wzeNwkejA08KxCIE8KvMCbzCJ D0B2pQ6xl6dBKb8+RIjG+/Y5e90dOQxh4mydeYZSGNz9M/NQ7QvJ65TAxp9gsI617wuqFPghQ DL6OFwqlTMfpCaeLI96yQWRcRYEPvzqpA8pIP3oWxbT8+mbaSG0wGB9JtfJjk+d72BZ4oYltc GPQQodUYMZ5v88Jyi0ygndGS+tiRvlb5LG/KJzBE6EhaNIn2HCII+G7KEpl/yOuvruSuU8Ggk JxHwEAHrZWmM8BLOxJJVQ4Sda7EHfoTiN0BB/nxfaszn7N736CnhfVJSm4oX+6YWfmp8VDGEM cfn6ULjUMrqRpURkIBwP45IZDNHWkHfS7uMP8FJ60HL0vwUTJF1WQ0P6sCMbuFMoARVIqn7jY KlW6/y7CFV5zLCvJ8Hhhs+ctfT00Nz4XvReaqMMSJaCghgYFhCFrC1vdQg1U2v1cSvbAv5NHz cH+91sGjyKZ3PdilXG1G19errRaae1YqRK5V71F1UvO5N+nClu+aLd3NrHHb6xJ3R3cRJChuJ 54s01WQDw4Qx2SMxU2LTxvleD9l0ZWsPCSFBaNAJCSnIxQ55qzVgo9qHSWpBnEQ4h8Y4+Flps FvxzBqJVQ7B5atsDggQNFcZcBb7nrhBWEH/m+I3wJ7+v+DE6ivQaFdu5OcBrvNHnu3JNZedEb VjX5e+ZbuZmbY5rj14MxwPDEh+S5EmMhtobqKtd/iicgTjr1gZzPpzD97lApX49ZCDB6u0PYF x3JCp63+Unba46sYesog== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49D0bj5Rwdz4bqF X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.91 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.23)[0.228,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.28)[ip: (0.59), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.05), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 05:06:59 -0000 On Fri, 1 May 2020 04:39:27 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > I'm on FreeBSD 12.1 with xorg and flux box installed. > > In .xinitrc: > Exec /usr/local/bin/fluxbox > Exec /usr/ local/bin/xdm > In .xsession is the same. That is incorrect. It should be, in .xsession: exec /usr/local/bin/fluxbox That is the _only_ line needed in that file. I assume the capitalized "E" in "Exec" is due to your mobile MUA (which "knows better"). Case matters, and spaces matter. The 2nd line will never be reached, because "exec" transfers control ("continue execution under a different name"). Furthremore, .xinitrc does not metter when you use xdm, you can ignore it entirely. > .xsession-errors: > Exec /usr/local/bin/xsm/ not found So something has not been installed completely (xsm, the X session manager, probably a dependency of either X or Fluxbox). Again, check for the correct spelling. Solution: Install xsm and change .xsession accordingly. That should solve your xdm problem. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Respectfully, Robert Huff -- Get it right: _physical_ distancing; _social_ cohesion From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 1 05:33:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C482B1A20 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 05:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49D1BN6bMqz40dQ for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 05:33:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MwPfX-1jDXpz1y3Z-00sNXD; Fri, 01 May 2020 07:33:26 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:33:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Cc: Brandon helsley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xdm var/log/xdm.log Message-Id: <20200501073326.ace7ae66.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <24235.45694.473965.863585@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20200501051811.2b24d320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501053836.76a32eaf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200501060500.4a89db8b.freebsd@edvax.de> <24235.45694.473965.863585@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0P0rVTDB8VGefRWKVd3gm1S43J98Qf7DuncVij/mAzs1uOLb2YK szVGql1onSLuyZgl3XNnWW4Xe4XBImyeBqGZ3m1npSe43TiQhQd9HXhG7h5Z1mA56gP4oMw Ic8etExGrtJhMSlDxiybcaYG/lWt3JIw+l9HrMQZNUfMC+ZWze8kKGs17djLElJ/6t8xefi XAAnPottlzQuGgRVeeZTA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/JnCVA+PzqY=:GlsaKHwjW/F1dQFjhM5N39 /su4FxVNY/TFa2uMQqIoaclUS+pk2++L8AtWQcFlFu6N0qM5trDegeVbRSEAoKah5bCKV8Bu2 5eCkfhDQPUq6kpsco/oFuXzvsTJyoL0kV2zbQXrMcwgF9GnBTIaiO0algpvDWWn6f6Dow9D00 VI1fL952psvww3NPQgeMEAKEySWsy0mmRSrl/JGSoIiI681CcHAk1t82VKBd/XW7hcaHOxCfw RS9y/hCl995uZnFnJHFNubGw2kTRzDUxRmXNa2YU11o8ipADfxel0UqqXnW059wf8jXk8iyzR ZSY76aEZaFkUKTXAig/GSaZSgvYd39MBdAtiOj6OMa35bV49hM8tjA3r5EQIFMeqG11TtNBai MWy60JaB4PnggBaUTfEtX1BfAflJx9bPG4Ltb6as6GWE9PDpX7VZKKVjYoYypuhn1QTZ0xqAK 32EPUG8QDg9inU67xHzfTU1/BsHbf05u/rFcIy9zrKGxDSBtM3BicaU49QIpPlhEn0ZWrakPA DE9vaQ9BTGljKfH3VZAtQc0e4IMNpJVMDOjBim5JMsr2CuxCJaoIhnd34gbvZg0lFwP7Q1Gsw ZEVMW3Vmnu+NQ5SlxPaBj2WqzGuCWsVq3EBA0nV9s0FRFth7W95chl2etiYAUjqknbHfi8SFa 7aBb/1rRMpGw10mMtC+6jV6iF7Xi0AD2/oHd7iPj8HyZLVRRApbocqecpdlX/gxojoUTx1vwd bT0RJbTUjwjS+RoGktbQrJfW6o5nqiOLGW7CL+Qa8yy7hEa8qlA2vfSTLwYHfUopreDQM33ja GMCJFTJe84BwB9ZOJtwUwYsE3mQMRw6n4nxepwSq2xwSdISrbTE0ffcddIsnekB1hT4rwQR X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49D1BN6bMqz40dQ X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.97 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.160.223.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.26)[0.257,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.32)[ip: (-0.74), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.28), asn: 8560(2.05), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 05:33:34 -0000 On Fri, 1 May 2020 01:24:14 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Polytropon writes: > > > > Ok, I will add xsession. > > > > NB: .xsession (the dot is significant). > > > > Or you can do the following, as you said you already have > > a .xinitrc (which xdm will ignore, as mentioned): > > > > % cp .xinitrc .xsession > > From my home directory: > > lrwxrwxr-x 1 huff huff 8 May 1 01:19 .xsession -> .xinitrc > > This implies you want the same environment from both. Will usually work, but doesn't keep C shell initialization (environmental variables, aliases, settings), which might not be a problem if you're not using the C shell for dialog sessions or if you concentrate on GUI entirely. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4348B2AE-3E30-4345-8883-EAEA53A59220@kukulies.org> <0D1F4392-C646-42C8-9DB3-50F93236A6DC@kukulies.org> <20200501051126.a41ff1cd.freebsd@edvax.de> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <10b538ce-7b4d-22c1-dbde-60672244422e@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:42:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200501051126.a41ff1cd.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49D1PB2SsPz42D4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.71)[ip: (-0.25), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.64), asn: 6939(-3.59), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 05:42:56 -0000 On 2020-04-30 20:11, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:29:14 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> Could solve it myself: bootet back to usb drive, mounted >> /dev/ada0s1 /mnt and edited /mnt/etc/fstab to the correct >> mount device. >> There were ada2s1 for / and another ada2 device for swap. >> Changed that to ada0s1 and now the system boots fine. > > If you can, use labels to avoid those kinds of problem. :-) > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-glabel.html Is there a FreeBSD labeling solution, or any other identifier solution that avoids using device nodes, for the combination BIOS, MBR, GELI, and ZFS? And, that works if I use dd(1) to copy the raw system disk contents from one device to another -- ATA drive, USB drive, SD card, etc.? 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For this constellation, probably glabel is the convenient tool: "glabel label ", and then in the "zpool create" command use gpt/ indead of the device name. I have no idea of why MBR should be involved here (as you want to use ZFS)... Documentation: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs-quickstart.html As the example shows, there is no MBR-related step involved. ZFS can manage devices just fine by itself. However, today's suggestion is to always use gpart (with -t freebsd-zfs for use with ZFS), so that's probably the best way to go. Here is some specific inspiration that also includes the use of GELI: https://blog.haraschak.com/from-dev-to-label/ So if I understand this correctly, the suggested approach is to use -l