Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> To: Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org> Cc: Freebsd Current <current@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Fixing -pthreads (Re: ports and -current) Message-ID: <XFMail.20030924103517.jhb@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3F6FCD7E.4070301@freebsd.org>
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On 23-Sep-2003 Scott Long wrote: > Daniel Eischen wrote: >> This is about 3rd party applications built outside of >> ports. The only possible problem you are going to >> have is on the link command, and it should be obvious >> that you're missing a link to the threads library. >> This is trivial to fix. It's not like we're making >> someone change their code to accomodate library or >> kernel interface changes. >> > > This is exactly the case the is going to cause the problems, though. > For you, compiling a 3rd party app and dealing with failures in the > linker is easy to deal with. For someone else, it might not be. If > they go to compile an app and it compiles and runs fine on linux but > fails on FreeBSD with linker errors, it will likely leave a negative > impression in their mind. > > I'm comparing my arguments to linux because a lot more apps are written > with linux in mind than with solaris in mind these days. People who are > writing for linux or switching from linux might not know that > '-lpthread' is a requirement, but they are more likely to know that > '-pthread' will take care of all of that magic for them. This argument > really comes down to ease of use and user experience. Steering away > from de-facto standards steers us away from a positive user and > developer experience. > > I'm perfectly happy to support the libkse->libpthread switch, and I'm > perfectly happy to support making libpthread be the default threading > library. But, I strongly believe that we need to also treat -pthread > sanely. Erm, I thought (if I remember correctly), that all the autoconf scripts, etc., that I've seen for Linnex use -lpthread, not -pthread. So we are actually becoming more like the de facto standard by dropping -pthread, not less. -pthread is a hack, please let it die. Either that or lets have gcc -math (for libm), gcc -standalone (libstand?) gcc -X11 (for X libraries), gcc -kde, gcc -gnome, etc. -- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/
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