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Date:      Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0800
From:      "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To:        "Brett Glass" <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Marketing vs. technical superiority (was: Judge: "Gates Was Main Culprit")
Message-ID:  <000101bf3489$45438500$021d85d1@youwant.to>
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991121181156.047209f0@localhost>

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> At 12:59 PM 11/21/1999 -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
>
> >         Do you have any evidence to support the claim that
> Liebowitz and Margolis
> >distorted their results in any way?
>
> Read them. Their writings don't just toe the Microsoft party
> line; they make
> patently ridiculous statements so as to do so.

	In other words, they disagree with you. In your opinion, anyone who
disagrees with you is making "patently ridiculous statments" and the only
question is who paid them to do so.

> What's more, the authors are paid handsomely by Microsoft, and
> flown all over
> the country, to present Microsoft's corporate PR party line.

	I'm not going to dispute that with you. It may or may not be true
(personally, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me). But it doesn't
prove that they distorted their results in any way, does it?

> Liebowitz, who works at UT Austin, has even instituted courses on subjects
> such as Web page design which INTENTIONALLY EXCLUDE information
> on non-Microsoft
> products and on cross-platform compatibility. In particular, the
> Web page design
> course omitted Java and JavaScript, focusing instead on the use
> of VBScript,
> ASPs, and FrontPage (which is designed to format content so that it cannot
> be displayed properly by other browsers.

	And you, I'm sure, would do the reverse. Does this prove that you are on
Sun's payroll? Would you teach VBScript or ASP?

	If I gave such a course, I'd cover the HTML standard, JavaScript, and a bit
of Java. I wouldn't cover ASP at all. I don't think I'd cover VBScript
either. This is simply because I despise them. I wouldn't cover DHTML
either, but for a different reason -- I like DHTML, but I don't think it's
achieved enough market penetration yet to be useful.

	Liebowitz does the reverse. What does this prove?

> He even placed Microsoft advertisements on University-funded Web pages.

	What kind of 'advertisements' are these?

> In short, he's a Microsoft PR flack -- just as you appear to be.

	You have shown no evidence whatsoever that any of his statements are
factually inaccurate. You have not shown any evidence whatsoever that his
results were distorted in any way.

	DS



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