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Date:      Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:31:21 -0800
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
To:        ports@FreeBSD.org, will@physics.purdue.edu
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/games Makefile
Message-ID:  <20010309123121P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010309150419.L45561@ohm.physics.purdue.edu>
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From: Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games Makefile
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:04:20 -0500

> Jordan, you know this is bullshit as well as I do.  So you say there's a

Oh my, isn't *our* vitriol showing.  :-) Willie, if you're having this
bad a day then kindly do us all a favor and get back in bed.  I don't
need this kind of raving in my mailbox before lunch.

> design.. where's the design document?  Just like SMPng, OP intends to

There are actually several documents checked into the libh tree which
describe the implementation and overall design, all written by the
contractor who did the first implementation.  There are also a number
of my postings, which I'll dig up if you're truly search-challenged,
which go into considerable detail about the design goals and proposed
implementation.  I also discuss libh as it relates to these overall
goals (in addition to describing the goals themselves) in a document
which I posted some time back and continue to archive here:

      http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt

So pull your head in.  For the last 7 years or so there's been nothing
*but* discussion on this topic and very little code, so it's more than
reasonable to suspect that maybe a time for shifting to a more
code-centric approach is upon us if we want to actually ACHIEVE
anything in this area.  I'm also hardly stopping you from discussing
all this further in the openpackages project - discuss away for all I
care.  Being aggressively defensive about it, as you have been to
date, hardly does it or you credit, however.  That's an approach
you need to simply leave to those folks who stand on milk crates and talk
about Jesus through electronic bull-horns with the dial set at "10" :)

- Jordan

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