Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:10:47 -0600 (CST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_C=2E_Farley?= <sean-freebsd@farley.org> To: "Michael C. Shultz" <ringworm01@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old perl-based script to manage ports Message-ID: <20060119132851.G78765@thor.farley.org> In-Reply-To: <200601191041.34568.ringworm01@gmail.com> References: <20060119101850.F76211@thor.farley.org> <200601190943.26432.ringworm01@gmail.com> <20060119115525.O77523@thor.farley.org> <200601191041.34568.ringworm01@gmail.com>
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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-444813457-1137701447=:78765 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > On Thursday 19 January 2006 10:05, Se=E1n C. Farley wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Michael C. Shultz wrote: >>> On Thursday 19 January 2006 09:24, Se=E1n C. Farley wrote: >>>> Ok. The subject line is a rip-off of Doug Barton's. :) When I >>>> saw his message in the archives, I decided to announce my >>>> contribution. There can never be enough tools to manage ports. :) >>>> >>>> I started writing this tool in 2003 when Perl was still in the >>>> base. It is called Port Manager[1] (one of a few called this), >>>> pm.pl specifically. It is comparable to portupgrade with a few >>>> exceptions as listed on the web page. Build error recovery is a >>>> big feature. >>>> >>>> Although it is not well documented, 'pm.pl -nva' should show what >>>> would be done to update a system without actually doing it. >>>> Obviously, -h will provide you with help. A .pmrc can be used for >>>> options specific to ports and to hold from updating ports. Globals >>>> for all ports go into /etc/make.conf. I just need to document the >>>> .pmrc file. >>> >>> Can you show where you posted this prior to 2004-04-20 with a >>> copyright notice? A reference from archive.org (wayback machine) for >>> example. If you have proof I will change the name of portmanager to >>> avoid infringing on your copyright and if you don't I insist you >>> stop infinging on mine. >> >> Neither of us are infringing on each others' copyrights since we are >> not copying each others source. Trademarks are what you are thinking >> about, and we (at least I) do not have these. >> >>> See https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D107280 >>> for the first official portmanager posting dated 2004-04-20. >> >> I first made mention of it on August 24, 2004[1]. We are both >> eclipsed by the Darwin PortsManager[2]. >> >> Se=E1n >> 1. http://bsdnews.com/view_story.php3?story_id=3D4694 >> 2. http://www.opendarwin.org/pipermail/darwinports/2003-March/016245.= html > > > Here is your comment from reference #1:Friday, August 27 2004 > > =09* * * > > "I have been noticing that port utilities have been popping out of the > woodwork. In sysutils/, I have noticed portmanager and portsman show up > somewhat recently. > Personally, I have been writing a semi-clone of portupgrade in Perl." > > =09* * * > > Clearly you knew about portmanager in FreeBSD ports and still claim it > as your own on your website? Portmanager is free software that I > wrote so I am not in a financial bind over your theft of its title, so > you don't have to worry about being sued. I will point out to anyone > who is interested your lack of ethics in trying to take credit for > someone else's work. I do NOT claim to own anything but the tool I wrote starting in early 2004. I believe I started coding it in February of that year. I just happened to call it Port Manager before I knew about your implementation. As for taking credit for someone else's work, where did you get that idea? Did I state that I wrote your code anywhere? Did I take your code and change the author's name on it? > As for your second reference, Darwin port's portmanager is not written > for FreeBSD nor has it anything to do with FreeBSD so far as I know. > There have been zero complaints raised by anyone having anything to do > with Darwin ports but if they had the name first and were using it > publically and feel my use of the name is an infringement I would > gladly change to something else because I would be ashamed to take > credit for someone else's work. I see by your website you have no > such standards and are perfectly willing to take credit for someone > else's work: reference this specifically on your site: > > FreeBSD Port Manager > > * pm.pl v0.2 (Last updated: 2006/01/18) Stop using the word infringement. I did not infringe your rights nor trademarks. I see it as a collision of names. My previous e-mail was mainly to correct your view of copyright in this regard. I did write a Perl-based port manager, therefore, the credit for this particular tool is mine. Do you think that GNU's version of grep should be renamed since it was not the first tool to be called that? If you want name protection, you will need to get a trademark. Since I am a nice person, I will not dispute it if you do. > To anyone who cares, Port Manager for FreeBSD listed at > http://www.farley.org/?page=3Dsoftware#pm has no conection what so ever > with portmanager found in FreeBSD ports under sysutils/portmanager. > Why someone would choose to steal the name of another person't > software project is beyond me, but for some reason Mr. Farley here > thinks it is an acceptable practice, I do not. If you had asked nicely instead of legal-like, I would probably have changed the name fairly quickly without complaint. My web site calls it FreeBSD Port Manager. I will just make that its official name. Now, they have different names. Happy? Also, be careful about making accusations about me stealing project names and having no ethics. This is treading on libel. Se=E1n --=20 sean-freebsd@farley.org --0-444813457-1137701447=:78765--
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