From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 11 3:14:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF1F37B43C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1CCC43FC25; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:13:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:13:27 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: Jeff Lasman Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020311121326.B403@energyhq.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Lasman , chat@freebsd.org References: <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <20020309164039.A89088@energyhq.homeip.net> <3C8BEE50.4781D191@nobaloney.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C8BEE50.4781D191@nobaloney.net>; from jblists@nobaloney.net on Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 03:37:52PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 03:37:52PM -0800, Jeff Lasman wrote: > > read man pages and compile a couple programs to learn about 64bit'isms. > > I don't think I'm a criminal for that. >=20 > It's not what you think so much as what the local District Attorney > thinks. Well, I'm not USian, and to be honest I'm not up to date of the current hacking laws in Spain. Back when that happened (1996) there wasn't a clearly defined law about that matters AFAIK. > So let me unerstand your rationalization: Because Cadillac didn't give > you a new Elantra, it's okay to borrow the one owned by the old couple > down the street, as long as you only borrow it when they're not using it > 'cause they're asleep, and as long as you return it when you're done? Jeff, having arguments about these subjects is hardly ever useful. I'm not going to change my mind, and you're not going to. I find all these house/cars analogies to be flawed. If I used my neighbours' car, the cost would be measurable, gasoline, tires, etc. IMHO accessing a computer system is somewhat different. Had I done any damage on those systems I'd understand it being a bad thing, but I never touched anything, nor read email or stuff like that. My aim was to learn about those systems, not disturb people. I even notified the admins of those flaws in their systems. It's my way of thinking , and it happens to be different from yours. I consider hacking (in that sense) an important part of my unix education, you just have to know where the line is and not cross it. Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk FreeBSD - The power to serve! --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8jJFVnLctrNyFFPERAq3SAJ4gzZALdlkVtjNjL87O6janHDdnIwCfXraA JxKI5/sSiB3y8yZGEBc0vc8= =6eA3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message