From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 12:12:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF691074C05 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-yw1-xc35.google.com (mail-yw1-xc35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3B1C7E44C for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org) Received: by mail-yw1-xc35.google.com with SMTP id y134-v6so4653469ywg.1 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 05:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=u8VZKRcbTGQqQQrVs7twmEWcoqSUFBuQyH0CRjc6/L4=; b=Jf75kXKjewZhD1zmsaPkc1lMtsrcTb36y09b6xnUjs/znqjjvGuJIRZ+uw5ms5rOGL a3piA1zb9ViwDt+RnTRagDrLyqjx/vThJuUmANpqT0tSP30bdmitjj94GWWq78LT292d tgBmTtW02efzabQN0GaUiW8fUqjMoQK/s+T8SVy6l9nwTmfZ1gwYrt2YVrC4tOLoyG6e br29drO1UC4U3J8Ve9cosypUQLzhl3xu38rVmtDILJAziYKz+t6fDeZc1Vv91kHjnu2Z FMaC8wU5Unr7qjLgLk0UTlSKvwI9IYRPg35oxNBZqyORgTBOkT178txT9PNZaCzVuxCd cZ4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=u8VZKRcbTGQqQQrVs7twmEWcoqSUFBuQyH0CRjc6/L4=; b=R0qaORyjbC1pu+tCBbXhhI6H6xPrtWu/xtHaXVtfWVpACvuX7fWMKiQS2nJxD0ELsT rez8jUypfdQAqySb0jJuYzoSzqvJv0Exo7NnqCRrKgkN4vsuHTAJTaLdU84473/ExLlD NNd2h1P+xBX6vRNVbGEYULzIBKLw3GPMmR6W6lSWXZTBZAq5LTSRwhO8WmWMqOTI/7D1 c2XbHnyUR+dVXE0D9Sh8tF0NE7n/9K8qkZairgKKupmXgkAQRt4ZhQdiKFiHeOf8tV9B eLWbnVpMvlJWs6Sks0h9jQbmlUi3NlG1flH9rFHI6CjmvS9Dtd73u1uTnSFIZhv6/rTw 0b5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DeFKQWV9G3oCS6UgfwsIPFzdUvChp/ic+M4a7/GO/SAHtEfJ97 Npks54nBaezNqhLiawYb7d3bJy1zi5okFuqx4ROCVgOeFlY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbLUrkVg/F0gwka23aLGYJnP5YeV+Hp9myRf8j3+2jNFDb6+Z+WTc+0nOot91ggQ38Dy2CSC83iMBPMppFkips= X-Received: by 2002:a81:3843:: with SMTP id f64-v6mr4625492ywa.79.1535285540753; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 05:12:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:f205:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 05:12:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> From: Oliver Pinter Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:12:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: blubee blubeeme Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , "pmcnary@cameron.net" , Johannes Lundberg , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "mmacy@freebsd.org" , Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current , =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:22 -0000 On Sunday, August 26, 2018, blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM Hans Petter Selasky > wrote: > > > On 8/26/18 3:20 AM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > Have you or anyone working on this drm-legacy-kmod stuff done any > > testings > > > of how this will affect current users? > > > > Hi Blubee, > > > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? > > If so that is not appreciated. > > > > --HPS > > > Hans, you of all people should know that's not true. > > I would think that trying to sneak in code during a code freeze that would > break the release. Forcing the core devs to revert those changes and having > to dust off old policies to try to keep you guys in check is what's > stirring up conflicts, but hey; what do I know? Please use git pull or svn up. They are already reverted and you get back your old drivers. https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/commit/ae526637c4a79045579abc632ffbfd b368c66ea8#diff-6ee1ee279be0fe8a84e853198b2b4c43 Please try to learn how to use development tools. https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/commits/master/sys/dev/drm2 I think the latest binary snapshot from 12.0-ALPHA3 contains the old state of code if not, next should be. > It's really sad state when capable engineers are so obsessed with something > that they cannot see the forest for the trees. Try to step away from the > canvas and look at the big picture. Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver developments works from the corporation side. They not bother about any of the BSDs, they focus only to Windows and Linux. If you want to use a recent (haha recent, something after 2014) you are forced to use new drivers from linux. The fore/advantage on the Linux side are the zillions of corporately paid kernel developers. They can just focus on a new hw supports, on freebsd side, there are no corporately paid drm driver developer. Sadly. In linux word their internal KPI (try a Google for a "stable API nonsense" words) moves so fastly, that porting of these drivers gets non trivial without a dedicated paid team. If you want to change on this situation, try to learn for you could help or send directed donations to freebsd foundation. ;) > > If you don't mind me asking, Hans care to answer these questions below? > 1) Take a [test] system with the current graphics stack installed and > working. > 2) Apply your patches to remove the drm from base to create a port > 3) update the working [test] system after applying your changes > > With the latest 12, nothing special. Only a deprecation notice gets printed, once the driver is loaded. > How does your changes affect a [test] system that is already up and > running? > > Have any of you guys tried that? Do you have any documentation on how it'll > affect users. > > You guys want to remove things from the current system but you come with; > it works for us hobbyists. > Where do users go to get steps to do all of this stuff? > > You've repeatedly said what you want to do sure, but have you tested it? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >