From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Apr 9 15:28: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [208.243.107.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8D214EA5 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:27:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13483FBF; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA500998D; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... In-Reply-To: <199904082142.RAA01094@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: : :This message needs a FAQ entry. : :On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: : :> :> :> > Alfred Perlstein wrote: :> > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about :> > > this, perhaps contact sun? :> > :> :> > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on :> > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be :> > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people :> > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither :> > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, :> > you have to earn it. :> :> Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of :> view: :> :> 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun :> Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for :> experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something :> like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give :> me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra :> box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some :> way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word :> "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. :> :> 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how :> it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can :> find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. :> So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... :> :> 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the :> harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) :> with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" :> and read where "it's documented at page..." :> :> Thanks for youe time 8) :> :> :> :> Ciao Ciao :> Paolo Di Francesco :> _ :> ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... :> ~ :> :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :> with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message :> : :-- :| Matthew N. Dodd | 78 280Z | 75 164E | 84 245DL | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | :| winter@jurai.net | This Space For Rent | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | :| http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | : : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message : Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message