From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 5 19: 7:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 931) id 478AE37B400; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:07:56 -0700 From: Juli Mallett To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Joshua Lee , dave@jetcafe.org, tlambert2@mindspring.com, crap@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020905190756.A54861@FreeBSD.org> References: <20020904232446.0b55b1d5.yid@softhome.net> <20020904205814.U38687-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020904205814.U38687-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>; from nwestfal@directvinternet.com on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:05:38AM -0700 Organisation: The FreeBSD Project X-Alternate-Addresses: , , , , X-Towel: Yes X-LiveJournal: flata, jmallett X-Negacore: Yes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * De: "Neal E. Westfall" [ Data: 2002-09-05 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Why did evolution fail? ] > So why are you attacking what my religion teaches? Aren't you just > being a little bit hypocritical? Do you think that Christians just > made up the doctrine of hell? Where do you think it came from? Did In ancient Hebrew tribal religion, there were two sects, one who worshipped the god of death, one who worshipped the god of life. The god of death was stronger than the god of life, and those who worshipped the god of life were jealous, and the jealousy became a part of the persona of the god of life, to excuse the hatered of others who worshipped stronger gods, and over time, the jealousy caused them to annex the attributes of the god of death, into the god of life. From there, Jahweh/... as known today (and iirc, as the god of life was known then), Judaism was born after ages passed, and from there, we end up with Christianity these days. It would be more correct to say that Hebrew tribal elders made up hell; you are forgetting that the roots of Christianity are in Judaism. And of course they made it up, it fulfills a number of low-level desires of the human psyche. Not that I'm not a religious person myself, it's just important to remember that all of this came from tribal traditions and warring, and that all of Wicca came from a lecherous old man who decided to take from Celtic and old European religions throughout the ages, and that Jesus was a man, and a great man, and a man who said great things. That doesn't mean any of it isn't true. Just because one "makes something up" doesn't mean it's false. It could be inherent in-born knowledge. I prefer to believe that all beliefs are valid, most are probably somewhat right, and none are "wrong". It's all about people and perception. Unfortunately, this universe seems built with the intentions to get people to look beyond perception - things have inherent beauty and structure at levels below what the eye can see, people are not always what they appear to be, and enjoying it is what really matters, to me. -- Juli Mallett | FreeBSD: The Power To Serve Will break world for fulltime employment. | finger jmallett@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message