Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:00:17 -0500 From: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org> To: Willie Viljoen <will@unfoldings.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127080017.D93869@blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <200301271450.22968.will@unfoldings.net>; from will@unfoldings.net on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:50:22PM %2B0200 References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> <200301271450.22968.will@unfoldings.net>
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Don't worry about a launch date. Get something up, and improve it. As I tell people who ask me how to write: "Write well. If you can't write well, write badly and then rewrite until it sucks less." Substitute "write" with "advocate." Actually, advocate isn't appropriate in the context, but it'll do until I come up with something better, hence proving my point. This method of working is surprisingly effective. None of us are good at this, but it can be done, and we can get better at it. Everyone on this list would rather see advocates keep at it, rather than do it all at once and get burned out in a week. If one hour a week is what you have, then do that, rather than spending your next ten weeks worth of time in one glorious spasm and dying off. ==ml On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:50:22PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > Michael, the embarssment was (luckily) limited to me and my overzealous effort > :) > > I'm happy to say that quite a few people have volunteered help so far in > response to my post yesterday, unfortunately alot of work has managed to fall > into my lap today, so the launch date that Stacy and I had in mind (this > coming Saturday) might be a bit ambitious, we'll see :) > > Will > > On Monday 27 January 2003 14:45, you wrote: > > I suppose, after me bitching that "nobody had done anything," we > > should be happy to now have an embarrassment of people willing to > > actually do something. :-) Glad to see you working together. > > > > ==ml > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host a > > > domain for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledges > > > coming. > > > > > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, > > > <pfak@telus.net>, please contact him with sugestions you might have for > > > such a project. > > > > > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD PR, > > > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > > > <olivas@digiflux.org> and is available at > > > http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > > > > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space > > > for the planned web site, please contact me <will@unfoldings.net> for > > > details. > > > > > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our > > > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical > > > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter > > > would be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or > > > an editor for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project > > > leader, and I'm sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on > > > technical aspects of such a project, with someone with the right field of > > > skills providing the leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle > > > this properly, and most certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in > > > future. > > > > > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources > > > you may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us > > > know. > > > > > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > > > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with > > > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an > > > earlier e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each > > > other. Also with other projects out there that might be doing the same > > > thing. I'd feel very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others > > > have already put alot of work into this. It would be better to draw upon > > > their input than to start from scratch and most probably affront even > > > more people in the process. > > > > > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, > > > if you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > > > > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Will > > > -- > > > Willie Viljoen > > > Freelance IT Consultant > > > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > > Bloemfontein > > > 9321 > > > South Africa > > > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > > > will@unfoldings.net > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@unfoldings.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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