From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 1:39: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from romeo.cnmnetwork.com (romeo.cnmnetwork.com [209.79.28.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C99914C30 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com) Received: (qmail 15946 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 01:38:44 -0800 Received: from 209-79-252-143.max-tnt-04.wla.ca.us.cnmnetwork.com (HELO develop1) (209.79.252.143) by romeo.cnmnetwork.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 01:38:44 -0800 From: "Rudy Gireyev" To: jonathan michaels Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:48:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor Reply-To: rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990224141425.B9876@caamora.com.au> References: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990225093908.4C99914C30@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are looking for PPro replacement wouldn't that be the Xeon family? Rudy Date sent: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:14:25 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Chuck Robey Copies to: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor > On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > > > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only > > > > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really > > > > unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and > > > > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as > > > > using it for FreeBSD smp. > > > > > > i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is > > > talking price, yet. > > > > > > as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in > > > single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can > > > freebsd get around teh quirks. > > > > > > i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and > > > most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth > > > of non-intel experience around these parts. > > > > The only problems I've heard of are for SMP. For single processor > > smp, is something i'm interested in but not for the 'production' mail server > and webpage hosting machine. > > > boards, the problems are entirely different. There aren't any absolute > > gotchas, but obviously, performance differs. They are not simple > > i have a fairly simple philosophy to performance bottle necks, divide teh task > and add another processor to the backplane, or add anther machine to the > ethernet segment .. not an ideal solution from teh purists perspective, but > its kept me going for nearly 15 years .. so far .. knock, knock, head, hollow > wood sounds .. grin. > > > commodity items. If you're worried about performance, read Tom's > > Hardware page (pointers from the freebsd home page). If you're just > > i once went thier and found it a mess .. my apologies to teh author, but, i > have poor eyes (neurological damage), i use lynx browser and teh site is not > specifically desigend to be 'read' by a text browser, this may have change in > teh last 6 moths or so .. this was my experience, of teh site. > > > trying to save money, nearly all of them work to *some* degree. > > are teh only real 'problems' in teh maths co-processor code, i've looked at > teh lint'd version of kernel sources and see lots of stuff about the maths > co-processor. > > > > > If you're looking for a simple performance answer here, sorry, there > > isn't one. > > performance has little if anyting to do with my line of reasoning, > reliability, repeatable results and stability are far more important, and > these days cost is becoming a significant criteria .. now that intel has > seeminly junked teh pentium pro, and replaced it with some not as good > technology. ppro was too expensive to produce in 'quantity' and teh production > line was 'fussy' anout thngs like quality control and quality of input > materials, etc etc etc ... and so on > > what i am looking for is teh pentium pro 'performance edge', but not the intel > pentium p3 price tag. > > > ooops .. sorry i may have gotten a little carried away. > > anyway thank you fro yor reply > > regards > > jonathan > > -- > =============================================================================== > Jonathan Michaels > PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia > =========================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message