From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 02:08:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13706 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13695 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15305; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:07:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd015239; Sun Sep 20 02:07:50 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA12788; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:07:47 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809200907.CAA12788@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: GDB modifies shared libraries?y To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:07:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alc@cs.rice.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809200126.SAA00387@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at Sep 19, 98 06:26:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Take a look at revision 1.24 of procfs_mem.c and some related > > changes in vm_map.c. None of these fixes were ever applied > > to -stable. > > Yes, I found the changes you're talking about. I was able to merge > them into -stable without much trouble. I'm running them now, and > they seem to fix the problem. I'll test some more and commit the fix > to the -stable branch if I don't find any problems with it. Are these my vm_mpa.c changes to fix the mmap backing object size being incorrect? I'd like to keep track of these changes and what they appear to fix or not. There is still a VM page alias problem that I can readily demonstrate, on a statistical basis, and there is a page corruption problem having to do with mmap'ed objects (ie: the fixes don't fix everything). Knowing what is or isn't fixed by the changes will narrow the scope of my search for the remaining problems (I'm looking when I have time, which unfortuantely isn't very often). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 02:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14250 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14245; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03380; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:11:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd003347; Sun Sep 20 02:11:06 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA12904; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:11:00 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809200911.CAA12904@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: problem using 3 x znyx314 cards for 12 de ethernets To: rotel@indigo.ie Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, sthaug@nethelp.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809200032.BAA05064@indigo.ie> from "Niall Smart" at Sep 20, 98 01:32:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not familiar with the orange book in any detail but suspect C2 > hardening would be of little more use than providing a checkbox in > a feature list; seeing C2 Solaris rooted by a standard exploit > doesn't exactly engender confidence in the level of real-world security > required for certification. You are complaining about a certification issued as the result of a bogus audit. This is a different problem. > > Otherwise, > > griping about something that will never happen given a correctly > > configured firewall, and which "fixing" will break a behaviour that > > is universally known to be useful, seems a bit counter-productive. > > Its unfortunate that useful and well-known features are often both > insecure and acheiveable through secure means. :) You mean "unachievable", right? > How about a compromise - no replies to broadcast ping's from outside > the hosts subnet by default? The IP stack should have discarded these before they got to that point, since that is the point of a subnet mask. If this isn't happening, then I agree that there's a bug, but it's in this area, and not in the area of whether or not broadcast pings should be replied to at all. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 07:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01402 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01390 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id WAA04063; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:21:26 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199809201421.WAA04063@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscalls and the stack In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:40:50 +0930." <19980911104050.B13960@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:21:25 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 9 September 1998 at 20:35:29 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > Question: > > do system calls need to be made from the executable stack? > > No. That's why copyin() and copyout() exist. > > > If this were disallowed, what would break? > > Who knows? I think the official answer is "nothing", but I'm sure > that some code uses pointers instead of copying the data. Yes, there is a small chunk of code copied to the very top of the user stack at process startup time. This code makes syscalls as part of the signal trampoline (sigreturn() in particular). If this trampoline was present in (say) libc, there is a slight problem of the kernel "finding" it in the current process address space, and even more of a problem if it's an "old" libc binary. This could probably all be patched up if we were willing to break binary compatability in a fairly major way (ie: would not be able to run old binaries). Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 08:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA10368 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 19547 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Sep 1998 15:43:48 +0000 (GMT) To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: rotel@indigo.ie, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem using 3 x znyx314 cards for 12 de ethernets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Sep 1998 03:11:14 +0000 (GMT)" References: <199809180311.UAA00693@usr04.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <19545.906306228@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > These are different issues, someone can be partly responsible for > > a smurf attack without ever realising it and (more importantly) > > without _their_ security/quality of service being compromised. I > > don't care how many boxes get hacked as long as they aren't mine, > > but it's reasonable to complain about a configuration which makes > > it too easy for script kiddies to exploit the ineptitude or > > carelessness of admins to affect _other_ competant and careful > > admins boxes. > > > > It's akin to shipping sendmail with open relaying. > > If you want a C2 hardened system, quit pussyfooting around and start > addressing the real issues leading up to C2 certification. Otherwise, > griping about something that will never happen given a correctly > configured firewall, and which "fixing" will break a behaviour that > is universally known to be useful, seems a bit counter-productive. This whole discussion is moot. The default ICMP broadcast behavior for FreeBSD was changed recently: 34c34 < * $Id: ip_icmp.c,v 1.30 1998/05/26 11:34:30 dg Exp $ --- > * $Id: ip_icmp.c,v 1.31 1998/09/15 10:49:03 jkoshy Exp $ 72c72 < static int icmpbmcastecho = 1; --- > static int icmpbmcastecho = 0; Also, I just submitted patches to separate the broadcast and multicast echo functionality, with the broadcast echo defaulting to off and the multicast echo defaulting to on, as suggested by both Bill Fenner and myself. That way the ping bombers won't have quite as easy a time with FreeBSD boxes, and Terry Lambert will still be able to get a reply from the FreeBSD boxes on his LAN by pinging 224.0.0.1. Everybody happy now? :-) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** ip_icmp.c.orig Tue Sep 15 12:49:03 1998 --- ip_icmp.c Sun Sep 20 16:57:40 1998 *************** *** 69,76 **** SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, ICMPCTL_MASKREPL, maskrepl, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmpmaskrepl, 0, ""); ! static int icmpbmcastecho = 0; ! SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, OID_AUTO, bmcastecho, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmpbmcastecho, 0, ""); #ifdef ICMPPRINTFS --- 69,84 ---- SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, ICMPCTL_MASKREPL, maskrepl, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmpmaskrepl, 0, ""); ! static int icmpbcastecho = 0; ! SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, OID_AUTO, bcastecho, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmpbcastecho, ! 0, ""); ! ! static int icmpmcastecho = 1; ! SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, OID_AUTO, mcastecho, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmpmcastecho, ! 0, ""); ! ! static int icmptstampreply = 0; ! SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_icmp, OID_AUTO, tstampreply, CTLFLAG_RW, &icmptstampreply, 0, ""); #ifdef ICMPPRINTFS *************** *** 374,381 **** break; case ICMP_ECHO: ! if (!icmpbmcastecho ! && (m->m_flags & (M_MCAST | M_BCAST)) != 0) { icmpstat.icps_bmcastecho++; break; } --- 382,394 ---- break; case ICMP_ECHO: ! if (!icmpbcastecho ! && (m->m_flags & M_BCAST) != 0) { ! icmpstat.icps_bmcastecho++; ! break; ! } ! if (!icmpmcastecho ! && (m->m_flags & M_MCAST) != 0) { icmpstat.icps_bmcastecho++; break; } *************** *** 383,393 **** goto reflect; case ICMP_TSTAMP: ! if (!icmpbmcastecho ! && (m->m_flags & (M_MCAST | M_BCAST)) != 0) { ! icmpstat.icps_bmcasttstamp++; break; - } if (icmplen < ICMP_TSLEN) { icmpstat.icps_badlen++; break; --- 396,403 ---- goto reflect; case ICMP_TSTAMP: ! if (!icmptstampreply) break; if (icmplen < ICMP_TSLEN) { icmpstat.icps_badlen++; break; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 08:48:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from indigo.ie (ts05-058.dublin.indigo.ie [194.125.220.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11365 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rotel@indigo.ie) Received: (from nsmart@localhost) by indigo.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA02949 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:25:49 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from rotel@ginseng.indigo.ie) From: Niall Smart Message-Id: <199809201525.QAA02949@indigo.ie> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:25:48 +0000 Reply-To: rotel@indigo.ie X-Files: The truth is out there X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(3) 11/17/96) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Behaviour of initgroups is not good Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, If initgroups() fails it prints an error message to stderr before returning -1. Why does it do this? Since when have libc functions taken upon themselves to print error messages to stderr on failure in addition to returning -1? This is causing problems for me setting up a chrooted non-root cvs pserver. Niall -- Niall Smart, rotel@indigo.ie. Amaze your friends and annoy your enemies: echo '#define if(x) if (!(x))' >> /usr/include/stdio.h To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 10:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01180 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01170 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA21711 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:45:26 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Grrr.... this is a question which has probably been asked many times before and I feel really silly asking it now. Unfortunately, I've been pushed into a corner by this crappy RealTek fast ethernet card. To make the RealTek 8129/8139 receiver work, I need to allocate a buffer of either 8, 16, 32 or 64K to act as a receive buffer. The card DMAs packets into this buffer until it reaches the end, then wraps back to the top. I initially programmed the card to use a 64K buffer, but I noticed that I was only able to receive about 16K worth of packets before everything ground to a halt. The card was still generating interrupts indicating that packets were still being received but there didn't seem to be any new packet data in the buffer region after the first 16K. This confused the heck out of me for a while, and I was convinced that I'd programmed the card wrong but couldn't see how. Then it dawned on me that although malloc() was giving me 64K of space to play with, it probably hadn't actually allocated 64K worth of contiguous pages. In other words, the first 4 pages are mapped contiguosly in memory, but the next 4K page after that is probably somewhere else off in physical memory. But the card doesn't know that, so it's probably DMAing into some unknown location in RAM and it's only by pure coincidence that it isn't scribbling all over the guts of the kernel and causing a panic. Unfortunately, the stinking hardware will not allow one to specify a buffer size smaller than 8K, and since the page size on x86 is 4K, there's no way to be sure that malloc() will return any more than 4K of contiguously mapped space. (I'm not even sure why I can even get 16K.) So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even 8/16/32K? As long as I can hit one of the allowed buffer sizes I'll be happy, although I wanted 64K in order to reduce the likelyhood of receiver overruns. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 11:54:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15506 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15474 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA00455; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:04:28 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809201604.SAA00455@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:04:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "Bill Paul" at Sep 20, 98 01:45:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even look at the audio driver /sys/i386/isa/snd/{dmabuf.c,sound.c} where contigmalloc is called. You can specify size and alignment, and you are returned physically contiguous pages) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 12:29:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20893 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20850 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA02257; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:29:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA00976; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:29:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980920212910.21253@follo.net> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:29:10 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel References: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>; from Bill Paul on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:45:24PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:45:24PM -0400, Bill Paul wrote: > So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even > 8/16/32K? As long as I can hit one of the allowed buffer sizes I'll > be happy, although I wanted 64K in order to reduce the likelyhood of > receiver overruns. contigmalloc(). The function itself is in src/sys/vm/vm_page.c Prototype is in src/sys/sys/malloc.h and src/sys/vm/vm_kern.h (I have no idea why it is both places). Examples of use in src/sys/dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c src/sys/i386/i386/busdma_machdep.c src/sys/i386/isa/bs/bsif.c src/sys/i386/isa/sound/soundcard.c src/sys/i386/isa/gsc.c src/sys/i386/isa/if_sr.c src/sys/i386/isa/asc.c src/sys/i386/isa/isa.c src/sys/i386/isa/snd/dmabuf.c src/sys/kern/uipc_mbuf.c src/sys/pc98/pc98/pc98.c No man page, and no reference in malloc(9) :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 12:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26153 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26147; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24383; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd024367; Sun Sep 20 12:58:17 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28105; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:58:12 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809201958.MAA28105@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: problem using 3 x znyx314 cards for 12 de ethernets To: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:58:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, rotel@indigo.ie, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19545.906306228@verdi.nethelp.no> from "sthaug@nethelp.no" at Sep 20, 98 05:43:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This whole discussion is moot. The default ICMP broadcast behavior for > FreeBSD was changed recently: I know. I'm not happy about the default. > Also, I just submitted patches to separate the broadcast and multicast > echo functionality, with the broadcast echo defaulting to off and the > multicast echo defaulting to on, as suggested by both Bill Fenner and > myself. That way the ping bombers won't have quite as easy a time with > FreeBSD boxes, and Terry Lambert will still be able to get a reply > from the FreeBSD boxes on his LAN by pinging 224.0.0.1. Everybody happy > now? :-) Happier. I still wish the default was the historical behaviour. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 15:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19036 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19027 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id QAA03178; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:03:22 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199809202203.QAA03178@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> <19980920212910.21253@follo.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19980920212910.21253@follo.net> you wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:45:24PM -0400, Bill Paul wrote: >> So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even >> 8/16/32K? As long as I can hit one of the allowed buffer sizes I'll >> be happy, although I wanted 64K in order to reduce the likelyhood of >> receiver overruns. > > contigmalloc(). You should use bus_dma instead of contigmalloc, but I won't think badly of you until I've gotten off my duff and written the man pages for it. (bus_dma eventually uses contigmalloc to satisfy the request, but this may change (very likely on other platforms)). -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 15:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20370 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20344 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03356; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA06607; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:16:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980921001637.40216@follo.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:16:37 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel References: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> <199809202203.QAA03178@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199809202203.QAA03178@narnia.plutotech.com>; from Justin T. Gibbs on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 04:03:22PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 04:03:22PM -0600, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > In article <19980920212910.21253@follo.net> you wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:45:24PM -0400, Bill Paul wrote: > >> So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even > >> 8/16/32K? As long as I can hit one of the allowed buffer sizes I'll > >> be happy, although I wanted 64K in order to reduce the likelyhood of > >> receiver overruns. > > > > contigmalloc(). > > You should use bus_dma instead of contigmalloc, but I won't think > badly of you until I've gotten off my duff and written the man > pages for it. (bus_dma eventually uses contigmalloc to satisfy the > request, but this may change (very likely on other platforms)). Speaking of this - what is the relationship between the bus_space stuff you've brought in from NetBSD, and the bus framework dfr has made for the alpha port? I have understood it as if they are at slightly different levels, but I still don't know what to use where (I need to use some bus abstraction for some work on the Bt848 driver in the not too distant future (should be past), and don't really know how I'm supposed to go forward to get this to be "right" - it is an i2c bus, which suggest it should be integrated with the iic-framework, but from my viewpoint as writing kernel code for it, it looks like there should be a NetBSD-style bus_space around it, too...) How far is what you've written from the NetBSD original? Can I get by with using their docs, or is will this make me take a wrong turn? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 15:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22806 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22782 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20167; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809202229.QAA20167@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Eivind Eklund cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:16:37 +0200." <19980921001637.40216@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:22:43 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> You should use bus_dma instead of contigmalloc, but I won't think >> badly of you until I've gotten off my duff and written the man >> pages for it. (bus_dma eventually uses contigmalloc to satisfy the >> request, but this may change (very likely on other platforms)). > >Speaking of this - what is the relationship between the bus_space >stuff you've brought in from NetBSD, and the bus framework dfr has >made for the alpha port? I don't know as I haven't caught up with dfr's code yet. I suspect that dfr's code would be responsible for telling drivers what their parent bus space/dma tags are (something I've hacked around until our config code becomes sane) but that the bus space/dma calls are still needed. >How far is what you've written from the NetBSD original? Bus Space should be almost identical. The only reason why it's not is I haven't had time to resync with some changes in NetBSD (new API calls, etc.). The only difference I know of in the bus space code is that in FreeBSD, you can selectively include headers for only the type of access you know the hardware will support (e.g. the AdvanSys Narrow cards cannot handle PCI memory mapped accesses, so I don't bloat the code by adding support for memio). Bus DMA is somewhat different. The main push for the changes was to make it more efficient on some platforms (like the x86) to handle allocation of per transaction bus mapping resources (you need a lot of these for tagged SCSI I/O for example), and to allow deferred execution of a mapping operation if resources are limited. The second change allows us to allocate a trivial amount of bouncing memory for ISA busmasters and still achieve good performance instead of having to pre-allocate the worst case amount of resources up front. Last I talked with Jason Thorpe about this stuff, it was undecided as to whether NetBSD is interested in these changes. The ball is essentially in my court right now to provide documentation of the new interface, how it differ from NetBSD, and the rational for the change. If only there were more time in the day... >Can I get by with using their docs, or is will this make me take a >wrong turn? Probably. If the fires start burning a little lower, I'll see what I can do. >Eivind. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 15:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26425 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us (w2xo.pgh.pa.us [206.210.70.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26419 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us) Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by w2xo.pgh.pa.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28669; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199809191123.LAA08891@mauibuilt.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Dis- From: Jim Durham To: puga@mauibuilt.com Subject: RE: Help with Digiboard 16em Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG puga@mauibuilt.com wrote: .... dgb0: PC/Xi 512K dgb0 at 0x224-0x227 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 524288 flags 0x2 on isa dgb0: 2nd reset failed .... The memory size reported looks wrong... I have a PC/Xe with 64K ram. My kernel config file line for the Digiboard is: device dgb0 at isa? port 0x200 iomem 0xe0000 iosiz ? tty However, I have since changed the port to 100 and the iomem to 0xd0000 using the boot -c method. This results in the following lines at boot time: dgb0: PC/Xe 64K dbg0 at 0x100-0x103 maddr 0xd0000 msize 65536 on isa dgb0: 16 ports I don't remember why I abandoned running iomem in higher memory, but using the area at 0xd0000 worked for me and port 100 gave me 4 ports clear of other devices here. Hope this applies to the board you have. regards, Jim Durham To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 17:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12135 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12057 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:23:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00557; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:26:18 CDT." <360491FA.3BEA2BE6@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:23:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist > asking if someone was aware and acting on this > http://www.sco.com/udi/ Yes, we're aware of it. What is there to act on? > It will be ported for Linux and distributed as freeware, as far as SCO > knows... There is pressure for Intel to include a Linux implementation as part of the deliverables for UDI. As such, it may be contaminated by the GPL. UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system (eg. driver lookup, dependancy management, etc.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 18:35:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23554 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23510 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01361; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809210133.SAA01361@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:23:42 PDT." <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:33:03 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. Someone could probably make a case for FreeBSD given that Yahoo , Oracle, and a few other large companies are using FreeBSD and making money where as in the Linux camp thats probably a rarity . Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 18:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27492 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27440 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02154; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:01:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210201.TAA02154@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:33:03 PDT." <199809210133.SAA01361@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:01:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system > > All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather > than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks > which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. > > Someone could probably make a case for FreeBSD given that Yahoo , Oracle, > and a few other large companies are using FreeBSD and making money where > as in the Linux camp thats probably a rarity . I've applied the pressure I've been able to, given the time. It may be too late, but if you want to campaign on the issue, the person at Intel to talk to is "Saxena, Sunil" . You might want to include Mark Bradley and Kurt Gollhart in your discussions. Note that these last two are "big cheese" technical people (Kurt is SCO Core OS Architect), so you want to be concise and avoid bullshitting them. Note that most of the guts of a UDI interface to an operating system is system specific; you're providing the mapping between the UDI API and the host API. In some cases, the mapping will be complex (eg. the UDI SCSI driver backend to CAM), in others it will be trivial. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 19:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02521 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02454 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20315; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:33:03 PDT." <199809210133.SAA01361@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20311.906344530@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather > than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks > which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. Someone with some time... Someone with some time... Hmmmm. Sorry Amancio, I'm drawing a complete blank. Who would you be referring to here, exactly? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 19:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02714 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02628 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02158; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:01:50 PDT." <199809210201.TAA02154@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. Perhaps, someone from the commercial sector can step in : Oracle, Yahoo, Whistle or Juniper. All of the above companies have architect class engineers and it is really to their advantage to contribute something in this area. Amancio P.S.: I will try to review the UDI stuff this week and post a review however please don't hold your breath because among many things that I am doing is buying a house. > > > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > > > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > > > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > > > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system > > > > All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather > > than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks > > which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. > > > > Someone could probably make a case for FreeBSD given that Yahoo , Oracle, > > and a few other large companies are using FreeBSD and making money where > > as in the Linux camp thats probably a rarity . > > I've applied the pressure I've been able to, given the time. It may be > too late, but if you want to campaign on the issue, the person at Intel > to talk to is "Saxena, Sunil" . You might want > to include Mark Bradley and Kurt Gollhart > in your discussions. Note that these last two are "big > cheese" technical people (Kurt is SCO Core OS Architect), so you want to > be concise and avoid bullshitting them. > > Note that most of the guts of a UDI interface to an operating system is > system specific; you're providing the mapping between the UDI API and > the host API. In some cases, the mapping will be complex (eg. the UDI > SCSI driver backend to CAM), in others it will be trivial. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 19:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06919 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06911 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02670; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210302.UAA02670@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: zhihuizhang cc: hackers Subject: Re: Question about wiring a page In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:06:39 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:02:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I read in vm_map_lookup() the following comment: > > /* > * If this page is not pageable, we have to get it for all possible > * accesses. > */ > > Does this mean that even if the map entry is specified as wired, the pages > in its range still have to be faulted in for the very first time? Unless it's prefaulted, even a wired page has to be faulted once to obtain a backing page. > Another question: Can any process wire a page at its own will? There must > be some regulations, otherwise anyone can hog the memory. See the mlock(2) manpage for details on this. There's a per-user resource limit (memorylocked) which governs the per-user limit, however I seem to recall that only root can actually lock memory in core. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 20:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07608 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07600 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4045.ime.net [209.90.195.55]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08753 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:59:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809210259.WAA08753@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:53:15 -0400 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-Reply-To: <199809210201.TAA02154@word.smith.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It'd be cool to humor us with some background info URL's on UDI.. As far as FreeBSD implementation and Yahoo and all that stuff. The main problem I see with FreeBSD is the lack of support behind it for commercial applications.. I'm stuck using a totally other WinNT P200 to run Netscapes Enterprise Server, Directory Server, and Messaging Server.. Something has to be said for that. Problem is, even LINUX doesn't get that, seems that only Solaris and the occasional DEC Unix. There's gotta be some sort of a way to emulate those binaries... At 07:01 PM 9/20/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their >> > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read >> > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly >> > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system >> >> All the more reason for someone with some time to get involved now rather >> than later and finding out that there are significant architecture drawbacks >> which could possibily make UDI unfeasible for FreeBSD. >> >> Someone could probably make a case for FreeBSD given that Yahoo , Oracle, >> and a few other large companies are using FreeBSD and making money where >> as in the Linux camp thats probably a rarity . > >I've applied the pressure I've been able to, given the time. It may be >too late, but if you want to campaign on the issue, the person at Intel >to talk to is "Saxena, Sunil" . You might want >to include Mark Bradley and Kurt Gollhart > in your discussions. Note that these last two are "big >cheese" technical people (Kurt is SCO Core OS Architect), so you want to >be concise and avoid bullshitting them. > >Note that most of the guts of a UDI interface to an operating system is >system specific; you're providing the mapping between the UDI API and >the host API. In some cases, the mapping will be complex (eg. the UDI >SCSI driver backend to CAM), in others it will be trivial. >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 20:01:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07746 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07739 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02353; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809210300.UAA02353@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:10 PDT." <20311.906344530@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:00:18 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Someone with some time... Someone with some time... Hmmmm. Sorry Fascinating, another way is to ask someone in your "core" group to see if they are interested in taken on the task. David Greeman comes to mind and probably in his case is a matter of balancing his priorities . He appears to be cool level headed , technically competent, and has experience in terms of architecture and drivers. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 20:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10869 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10861 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40335>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:19:12 +1000 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:19:35 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <98Sep21.131912est.40335@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:26:18 -0500, "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: >I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist >asking if someone was aware and acting on this > http://www.sco.com/udi/ This was mentioned by some Intel marketroids at the recent AUUG'98 conference. There was a fair amount of discussion at a subsequent Freenix BOF (which included Greg Lehey and Peter Wemm within the FreeBSD group and Robert Hart from Red Hat, as well as assorted users from the Linux community and all the *BSD groups). The almost unanimous concensus(*) was that it was a very bad move and the Freenix community should resist it. The major problems seen by the group were: 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore being able to build a device driver that works. 2) Binary-only device drivers tie the hardware to the processor. This reduces the portability of (eg) PCI cards. 3) The difficulty of supporting the kernel services required for a UDI driver. 4) Increased finger-pointing when a device driver fails. Greg and/or Peter might have something further to add. Peter (*) I think I was the only person who felt it had any merit at all. -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 20:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11693 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11666 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.33]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA16748; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:26:57 +0500 Message-ID: <3605C5CB.C61EAC21@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:19:39 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist > > asking if someone was aware and acting on this > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > Yes, we're aware of it. What is there to act on? > Mail the key actors and ask for a prerelease to work on it. > > It will be ported for Linux and distributed as freeware, as far as SCO > > knows... > > There is pressure for Intel to include a Linux implementation as part > of the deliverables for UDI. As such, it may be contaminated by the > GPL. > It WILL be ported, as an SCO announce says. A GPL is inconvenient because companies won't want to be forced to distribute source code of a key part with the OS. GPL was designed to live only with GPL and I don't think Compaq, IBM and SUN will accept it. We must start pressing for a BSD-like license here. OTOH the Open Group is already understanding ... Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 20:54:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16602 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16509; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.50]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA16782; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:56:04 +0500 Message-ID: <3605CD09.C8681327@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:50:33 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <199809210326.UAA02832@word.smith.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, I also believe this belongs in advocacy...JIC someone doesn't understand http://www.sco.com/udi/ We need a big group of users explaining why FreeBSD would be a good platform to target the new device standard, and why they should use a BSD license. Pedro. /* end of discussion in -hackers */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19602 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19540 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20663; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:00:18 PDT." <199809210300.UAA02353@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:19:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20659.906351568@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Fascinating, another way is to ask someone in your "core" group to > see if they are interested in taken on the task. Blah, give me some credit. I happen to know that everyone in core has work up to their eyeballs (and a good deal more than that in some cases) or I wouldn't have made my somewhat sardonic comment in the first place. > David Greeman comes to mind and probably in his case is a matter of David Greenman also comes to mind as one of the people who have more work than they know what to do with, and it's not just a matter of balancing priorities, it's a matter of not having 48 hours in a day. :) You'll have to do better than that, I'm afraid. I was sort of hoping that YOU might volunteer, in fact, since you're the one who brought it up in the first place. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:20:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19766 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19728 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20680; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:22:50 PDT." <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20677.906351610@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. Sure you do, Amancio - it's just a question of "balancing your priorities", right? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:27:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20912 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03143; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210432.VAA03143@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Peter Jeremy cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:19:35 +1000." <98Sep21.131912est.40335@border.alcanet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:32:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:26:18 -0500, "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > >I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist > >asking if someone was aware and acting on this > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > This was mentioned by some Intel marketroids at the recent AUUG'98 > conference. There was a fair amount of discussion at a subsequent > Freenix BOF (which included Greg Lehey and Peter Wemm within the > FreeBSD group and Robert Hart from Red Hat, as well as assorted > users from the Linux community and all the *BSD groups). > > The almost unanimous concensus(*) was that it was a very bad move and > the Freenix community should resist it. The major problems seen by > the group were: > 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances > of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore > being able to build a device driver that works. > 2) Binary-only device drivers tie the hardware to the processor. This > reduces the portability of (eg) PCI cards. > 3) The difficulty of supporting the kernel services required for a UDI > driver. > 4) Increased finger-pointing when a device driver fails. Unless there's been a sudden change of direction in the last few months, UDI is source-level, not a binary-level interface. This invaliates 1) and 2). 3) is actually less of a problem than many people like to think; unlike most other driver models (eg. WDM) UDI has been designed by people that understand the issues. I can't see how 4) makes for "more" finger pointing, actually. I'd say it would lead to a net _reduction_, as there would be only one driver vendor. > (*) I think I was the only person who felt it had any merit at all. It sounds like at least the major participants in the discussion were working on partial or nonexistent background information. The very first sentence on the UDI homepage is: "This is the home page for Project UDI, a multi-company effort to define a Uniform Driver Interface, which provides an environment for portable driver code, and to establish program plans for deploying this technology." *sigh* -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23101 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23025 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02704; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809210435.VAA02704@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:19:28 PDT." <20659.906351568@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Jordan, Believe me after dealing with S3 chipsets, gus (interwave chipsets), bt848 chipsets and a few other low end chipsets -- yes I would love to jump on the UDI effort even it lead nowhere . However, I just simply don't have the time right now my focus is elsewhere and thats all I can say. Best Regards, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23630 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02720; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809210438.VAA02720@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:10 PDT." <20677.906351610@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:38:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. > > Sure you do, Amancio - it's just a question of "balancing your > priorities", right? :-) > > - Jordan Actually, in my case is a matter of where I make money so I may afford to have the time to do the fun hacking stuff 8) Best Regards, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 21:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24137 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24059 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03265; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210446.VAA03265@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:19:39 CDT." <3605C5CB.C61EAC21@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:46:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist > > > asking if someone was aware and acting on this > > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > > > Yes, we're aware of it. What is there to act on? > > > Mail the key actors and ask for a prerelease to work on it. Not available at this time. Such an action would only be worthwhile if I (or the person making the request) had time to work on it either personally or donated by another developer. All of the requisite documentation is already available online, so an implementation from scratch would be relatively straightforward. > > > It will be ported for Linux and distributed as freeware, as far as SCO > > > knows... > > > > There is pressure for Intel to include a Linux implementation as part > > of the deliverables for UDI. As such, it may be contaminated by the > > GPL. > > It WILL be ported, as an SCO announce says. I don't have confirmation of the Linux port as part of the deliverables. This wouldn't be the first time that a press release was retracted or contradicted in a later instance of reality. Regardless, the chances are high that it will indeed be done. > A GPL is inconvenient because companies won't want to be forced to > distribute source code of a key part with the OS. GPL was designed to > live only with GPL and I don't think Compaq, IBM and SUN will accept it. > We must start pressing for a BSD-like license here. > OTOH the Open Group is already understanding ... There's no need for the reference implementation to be GPL-contaminated - it can be shipped as patches to the Linux kernel rather than integrated with it, and those patches need not be GPL'ed. Regardless, as I have tried to make clear before, a reference implementation for Linux would not be something that could be "ported" to FreeBSD. A UDI implementation is a mapping from the host API to the UDI API, and the mapping from Linux-kernel-API:UDI-API would look nothing like the mapping from BSD-kernel-API:UDI-API. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 22:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29281 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29258 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA10314; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:49:12 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA09688; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:49:10 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980921144910.T8807@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:49:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Jeremy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <98Sep21.131912est.40335@border.alcanet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <98Sep21.131912est.40335@border.alcanet.com.au>; from Peter Jeremy on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 01:19:35PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 21 September 1998 at 13:19:35 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:26:18 -0500, "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: >> I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist >> asking if someone was aware and acting on this >> http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > This was mentioned by some Intel marketroids at the recent AUUG'98 > conference. There was a fair amount of discussion at a subsequent > Freenix BOF (which included Greg Lehey and Peter Wemm within the > FreeBSD group and Robert Hart from Red Hat, as well as assorted > users from the Linux community and all the *BSD groups). An interesting observation, BTW, was that there were roughly equal numbers of Linux and *BSD people present. Peter (Wemm) and I also noted that the Linux people seemed to be outsiders, whereas the *BSD people were relatively well known (Peter, can I publish those photos I took on Thursday evening?). > The almost unanimous concensus(*) was that it was a very bad move > and the Freenix community should resist it. I think I was the only > person who felt it had any merit at all. Not so. I saw considerable merit. The Linux people seemed to take the attitude "If we can't get source for it, we won't support it". I tried to make it clear that if it became mainstream (as is quite possible), we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring it. There was also considerable confusion about the difference between UDI and I2O. It's a pity we had so short a session: it was definitely a thing that needed more discussion, and we didn't have enough time to do so. For example, at that time nobody was sure whether sources and documentation would be available. We're still not 100% sure what will be available, but it's looking better than it sounded on Friday. > The major problems seen by the group were: > > 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances > of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore > being able to build a device driver that works. Agreed (I hope you do too). But it looks as if we're going to have sources. > 2) Binary-only device drivers tie the hardware to the processor. This > reduces the portability of (eg) PCI cards. Yes, but this isn't really a Freenix problem. It would adversely affect the vendors of the boards, so you could be pretty sure that drivers will appear for any processor which they consider important. > 3) The difficulty of supporting the kernel services required for a UDI > driver. We don't know yet. > 4) Increased finger-pointing when a device driver fails. Hmm. I don't recall hearing this one, but I arrived a little late. If the interface is clean, it should be relatively obvious where the problem lies. It would certainly be no worse than a panic using softupdates, vinum and cad (to use a hypothetical example). Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 22:37:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01600 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01579; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA10385; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:06:24 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA09718; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:06:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980921150619.V8807@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:06:19 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promotional CDs and evil customs agencies. References: <25283.906018720@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <25283.906018720@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Sep 17, 1998 at 12:52:00AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 17 September 1998 at 0:52:00 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > [ I know that this is typically -chat material, but I'm not going to > reach the people who are actually involved by sending this to -chat ] Following up to -chat anyway. > I just thought I'd let folks know that I've reached a hard, but > irrevokable, decision with regard to sending promotional CDs overseas: > > I'm not going to do it anymore. > > (painful justification omitted) I'm a little puzzled. WC have been doing this sort of thing for years, and before Jack left he had more or less got the hang of it. How come they want you to be involved? The real issue isn't so much that there are problems getting freebies through customs, but that the problems are different for *every* country (and especially India). For the EU, I'd think that it would make most sense to export to Denmark (which IIRC is the easiest to penetrate) and then send them on from there. For other parts of the world, there isn't much tax cooperation. I note that the CDs I got came through with no problems, as apparently did the CDs sent to Norway with my invoice (I got the Norwegian invoice :-), so some countries don't cause too many problems. But the whole thing looks like a WC problem, not a FreeBSD problem. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 23:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07359 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07343 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:07:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zKz6A-00029r-00; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:05:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: Greg Lehey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-Reply-To: <19980921144910.T8807@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > Not so. I saw considerable merit. The Linux people seemed to take > the attitude "If we can't get source for it, we won't support it". I > tried to make it clear that if it became mainstream (as is quite > possible), we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring it. > There was also considerable confusion about the difference between UDI > and I2O. Even worse is what is going on on linux-kernel right now; people ranting about how Linux needs to implement it but have a versoning scheme to force each driver to be recompiled for each version of the kernel to force people to release source and recompile for each kernel version. That just isn't my idea of "free" software. > > The major problems seen by the group were: > > > > 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances > > of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore > > being able to build a device driver that works. > > Agreed (I hope you do too). But it looks as if we're going to have > sources. If a vendor doesn't release their specs now, this isn't likely to change that. If a vendor does release their specs now, they have a reason for doing so. What is that reason? I think you will find that a lot of the same reasoning still applies. This is especially true when you consider that if this does become reality, it won't do so instantly, so even once they do have UDI drivers released, many of the reasons why people want specs today still apply in the short term. In fact, some of the reasons why many vendors don't want to release driver source are due to their own little tricks to get more performance out of specific platforms that they don't want others to see, and the sheer hassle of releasing source for all the different platforms they make drivers for. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 23:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12682 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12068; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210650.XAA12068@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc Slemko cc: Greg Lehey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:05:22 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:50:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Not so. I saw considerable merit. The Linux people seemed to take > > the attitude "If we can't get source for it, we won't support it". I > > tried to make it clear that if it became mainstream (as is quite > > possible), we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring it. > > There was also considerable confusion about the difference between UDI > > and I2O. > > Even worse is what is going on on linux-kernel right now; people ranting > about how Linux needs to implement it but have a versoning scheme to force > each driver to be recompiled for each version of the kernel to force > people to release source and recompile for each kernel version. > > That just isn't my idea of "free" software. No, and we can happily dismiss that sort of ranting. But we should point said ranting out to Intel and the other UDI folks as indicative of the sort of people they may be getting involved with. > > > The major problems seen by the group were: > > > > > > 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances > > > of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore > > > being able to build a device driver that works. > > > > Agreed (I hope you do too). But it looks as if we're going to have > > sources. > > If a vendor doesn't release their specs now, this isn't likely to change > that. UDI is a source-level standard. If the vendor doesn't release source, that's up to them. Their source may well contain their trade secrets, which is not necessarily a bad thing. > In fact, some of the reasons why many vendors don't want to release > driver source are due to their own little tricks to get more performance > out of specific platforms that they don't want others to see, and the > sheer hassle of releasing source for all the different platforms they make > drivers for. With UDI, there is only one platform - UDI. The same source (if compliant) will build and work on all compliant platforms. This lets you tell a vendor "gee, here, borrow a BSD machine and build your UDI driver, then put it up as 'unsupported'". That's better than a kick in the face. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 20 23:50:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13815 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13798 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA00276; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809210650.AAA00276@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.63 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:48:03 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Remember those spontaneous crashes I was getting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, we still get one every day or two, at odd times. But I can ALWAYS make them happen by piping dump through gzip to ftp to a disk on a remote machine -- our usual backup procedure. Anyway, when I first reported this crash, I was asked what message appeared. Unfortunately, it flew by so fast that I couldn't tell what it said! So, tonight, seeing that it was a slow night and no users were on, I swapped the kernel for one with the debugger enabled and started the backup procedure. Sure enough, a crash. The screen said: Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode Instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0176fb5 Stack pointer = 0x10:0xf0199000 Frame pointer = 0x10:0x0 Code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 Processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 Current process = Idle Interrupt mask = kernel: type 9 trap, code = 0 Stopped at idle_loop_0x3d: jmp idle_loop As I began to play with the debugger (I really didn't know the commands), I saw: wd0: interrupt timeout wd0: status 50 error 0 ...which may not have meant anything, but then again.... What does all of this bode? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 00:49:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20949 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20940 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21394; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210754.AAA21394@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remember those spontaneous crashes I was getting? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:48:03 MDT." <199809210650.AAA00276@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:54:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, we still get one every day or two, at odd times. But I can ALWAYS > make them happen by piping dump through gzip to ftp to a disk on a remote > machine -- our usual backup procedure. > > Anyway, when I first reported this crash, I was asked what message > appeared. Unfortunately, it flew by so fast that I couldn't tell what it > said! So, tonight, seeing that it was a slow night and no users were on, I > swapped the kernel for one with the debugger enabled and started the backup > procedure. > > Sure enough, a crash. The screen said: > > Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode > > Instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0176fb5 > Stack pointer = 0x10:0xf0199000 Are you 100% sure about these numbers? The kernel stack pointer shouldn't be higher than the instruction pointer. This looks like either corrupt code eating %esp or a CPU fault. > Frame pointer = 0x10:0x0 > Code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > > Processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > > Current process = Idle > > Interrupt mask = > > kernel: type 9 trap, code = 0 > > Stopped at idle_loop_0x3d: jmp idle_loop There's nothing illegal about this at all; this really looks like a memory read error (bad memory, CPU, cache or motherboard). You might have received the GPF because the stack pointer is pointing into the kernel text segment (which it probably can't write to). Corrupting the stack pointer (as opposed to corrupting the contents of the stack) is pretty difficult. It's also very difficult to track down. 8( > As I began to play with the debugger (I really didn't know the commands), I > saw: > wd0: interrupt timeout > wd0: status 50 error 0 > > ...which may not have meant anything, but then again.... It just means that you were in the middle of a disk operation, which subsequently timed out (because the debugger was running). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 00:56:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22158 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22151 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA07406; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:56:29 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:56:29 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Eivind Eklund cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel In-Reply-To: <19980921001637.40216@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 04:03:22PM -0600, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > In article <19980920212910.21253@follo.net> you wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:45:24PM -0400, Bill Paul wrote: > > >> So: is there some way to allocate 64K of contiguous memory? Or even > > >> 8/16/32K? As long as I can hit one of the allowed buffer sizes I'll > > >> be happy, although I wanted 64K in order to reduce the likelyhood of > > >> receiver overruns. > > > > > > contigmalloc(). > > > > You should use bus_dma instead of contigmalloc, but I won't think > > badly of you until I've gotten off my duff and written the man > > pages for it. (bus_dma eventually uses contigmalloc to satisfy the > > request, but this may change (very likely on other platforms)). > > Speaking of this - what is the relationship between the bus_space > stuff you've brought in from NetBSD, and the bus framework dfr has > made for the alpha port? My bus framework code is more of a 'management' layer. It tracks driver registration, probes and attaches devices and constructs a nice device tree based on the runtime-probed bus topology. It copes with dynamic device detection and removal and dynamic driver replacement (you can't replace a statically linked driver though). The framework also allows drivers to define 'interfaces' which are collections of methods implemented in the driver. The traditional probe and attach methods are implemented in a standard 'device' interface. The advantage here is that it is trivial to extend a driver with new methods and still maintain binary compatibility with old drivers. Currently it stays far away from the hardware issues of bus_space and bus_dma. I will probably extend the 'bus' interface to allow parent bus, io and memory tags to be passed to child devices. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 01:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25537 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25531 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA10911; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:52:25 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA09877; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:52:24 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980921175223.Y8807@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:52:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Marc Slemko Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <19980921144910.T8807@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Slemko on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 11:05:22PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 20 September 1998 at 23:05:22 -0700, Marc Slemko wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Not so. I saw considerable merit. The Linux people seemed to take >> the attitude "If we can't get source for it, we won't support it". I >> tried to make it clear that if it became mainstream (as is quite >> possible), we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring it. >> There was also considerable confusion about the difference between UDI >> and I2O. > > Even worse is what is going on on linux-kernel right now; people ranting > about how Linux needs to implement it but have a versoning scheme to force > each driver to be recompiled for each version of the kernel to force > people to release source and recompile for each kernel version. > > That just isn't my idea of "free" software. Presumably you're talking about whatever Linux people call their alternatives to LKMs. I think this is an *excellent* idea. If you don't agree, I'll give you a copy of vinum about 6 weeks old. Try to run it on a current -current (sorry) and watch things go up in flames. As long as the kernel contains dependencies which change in the course of time, you need to ensure that all components are matched. This isn't my idea of free software, it's my idea of common sense. >>> The major problems seen by the group were: >>> >>> 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances >>> of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore >>> being able to build a device driver that works. >> >> Agreed (I hope you do too). But it looks as if we're going to have >> sources. > > If a vendor doesn't release their specs now, this isn't likely to change > that. Sources and specs aren't the same thing. And lots of people don't release sources immediately simply because they're not ready yet. > If a vendor does release their specs now, they have a reason for doing so. > What is that reason? I think you will find that a lot of the same > reasoning still applies. This is especially true when you consider that > if this does become reality, it won't do so instantly, so even once they > do have UDI drivers released, many of the reasons why people want specs > today still apply in the short term. I'm not sure what you're saying here. > In fact, some of the reasons why many vendors don't want to release > driver source are due to their own little tricks to get more performance > out of specific platforms that they don't want others to see, and the > sheer hassle of releasing source for all the different platforms they make > drivers for. Sure, but there are indications that this isn't the case for UDI. We were told (but I haven't verified) that the Linux crowd were to be involved in this stuff from the beginning. My main concern was whether this would apply to FreeBSD as well, but considering the religious purity of the Linux users, they'd presumably want it under GPL. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 01:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28329 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citadel.cdsec.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28199 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gram@cdsec.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cdsec.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA11009; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:49:06 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel via recvmail id 11007; Mon Sep 21 10:48:53 1998 From: Graham Wheeler Message-Id: <199809210847.KAA03707@cdsec.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hanging/rebooting To: bright@hotjobs.com (Alfred Perlstein) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:47:32 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alfred Perlstein" at Sep 18, 98 10:39:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > 2.2.7 is really good, however if you can make your clients hold out a bit > 3.0-release is coming out, the whole system is MUCH better and refined. Unfortunately we need a solution ASAP, and can't wait for 3.0... -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cdsec.com Citadel Data Security Phone: +27(21)23-6065/6/7 Internet/Intranet Network Specialists Mobile: +27(83)253-9864 Firewalls/Virtual Private Networks Fax: +27(21)24-3656 Data Security Products WWW: http://www.cdsec.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 02:46:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07663 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07589 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id CAA01682; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980921024537.A1493@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:45:37 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Hamby , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disallow setuid root shells? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199702240549.VAA01306@lightside.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199702240549.VAA01306@lightside.com>; from Jake Hamby on Sun, Feb 23, 1997 at 09:49:08PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > access. Under Solaris, I've discovered that none of the standard shells > will allow a user to gain root privileges through a setuid root shell! > The sh and ksh shells will run, but the user will have their normal You didn't try very hard: sol26:> ll total 856 -r-sr-xr-x 1 root bin 158372 Jul 15 1997 csh* -r-sr-xr-x 1 root bin 186356 Jul 15 1997 ksh* -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 88620 Jul 15 1997 sh* sol26:> ./ksh # id uid=1765(obrien) gid=10(staff) euid=0(root) # exit sol26:> ./sh $ id uid=1765(obrien) gid=10(staff) $ exit sol26:> muztag:/tmp/.z> ./sh -p # id uid=1765(obrien) gid=10(staff) euid=0(root) # exit /bin/ksh is pretty standard on sysV-based systems. For sh RTFM. -p If the -p flag is present, the shell will not set the effective user and group IDs to the real user and group IDs. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 02:46:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07752 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles236.castles.com [208.214.165.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07735 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09488 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809210952.CAA09488@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:52:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm in the testing phase for a port of the Citrix MetaFrame (nee ICA, nee WinFrame) client (using the Linux binary), and I need someone with a working Winframe/ Picasso/NT Terminal Server network to test it out. Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could point this at and try it out? NB. If you think that a native port of the client for FreeBSD would be a Good Thing, make sure you go to http://download.citrix.com/ and use their suggestion form to tell them that. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 02:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citadel.cdsec.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08113 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gram@cdsec.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cdsec.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id LAA14199 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:56:06 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel via recvmail id 14151; Mon Sep 21 11:55:09 1998 From: Graham Wheeler Message-Id: <199809210953.LAA04029@cdsec.com> Subject: ifconfig alias weirdness To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:53:49 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all On a different note to the hang/reboot, I've noticed the following which may be a bug, or perhaps I'm just missing something (or maybe I'm just being pedantic!). If I want to set up an alias on an interface with a subnet, there are two different behaviours I observe depending on whether or not the netmask is specified with the alias. If I use: ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 up ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 alias then the routes get messed up. After the first ifconfig the routes are correct: 196.37.78.96/26 link#1 But after the alias we have: 196.37.78 link#1 196.37.78.96/26 link#1 which indicates that an implicit netmask of 255.255.255.0 has been used. On the other hand, if I use: ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 netmask 255.255.255.240 alias then the alias is right, and the bad route doesn't get added; however, ifconfig prints an error: `SIOCIFADDR: file exists'. I can live with the error message, but it is a bit disturbing. -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cdsec.com Citadel Data Security Phone: +27(21)23-6065/6/7 Internet/Intranet Network Specialists Mobile: +27(83)253-9864 Firewalls/Virtual Private Networks Fax: +27(21)24-3656 Data Security Products WWW: http://www.cdsec.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 02:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09040 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08938 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00782; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:51:59 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04867; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:52:15 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA32644; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:51:23 +0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:51:23 +0400 Message-Id: <199809210951.NAA32644@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <9809192115.ZM18727@beatrice.rutgers.edu> from ""Allen Smith" " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, kev@lab321.ru, (Eugeny,Kuzakov), mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting with IPFilter instead of ipfw. "Allen Smith" said : > On Sep 12, 9:46pm, Luigi Rizzo (possibly) wrote: > > shouldn't take too much to patch ipfilter to return a different action > > than pass/drop and thus cause packets to be passed through the > > bw limiter. > > I've taken a look at getting ALTQ and ipfilter to work > together. However, the most obvious way to get ipfilter to interface > with ALTQ (namely, having ipfilter figure out under which ALTQ class > packets should go, so that you're not examining the packets twice) > unfortunately has the problem that the ALTQ classes are only > distinguished via a human-comprehensible form (numbering) until they > go into the kernel; they're then no longer numbered. Otherwise, you > could just have an ipfilter action to put them into the appropriate > class via an added mbuf field or whatever. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgYhmqH/mIJW9LeBAQFEgQP/Xkp5GsGEHoQunvk8xs5A+/xMZKc3GXhK nJ0W5sAmnw6A5tR5GolVBvkMryG2sltPOVRFAzyNsaVfsTYliV1SZhF+eZMmRu5I PfIYfTkh4mil2VixH3Y4FcJafnNNyJRSXJeWGGzcu8dNwVbk4I+fqPw5jG2FRZ5G Ap3k+b0Innw= =2uNZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 03:12:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10997 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10987 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id DAA01850; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980921031132.B1493@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:11:32 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Hamby , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disallow setuid root shells? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199702240549.VAA01306@lightside.com> <19980921024537.A1493@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19980921024537.A1493@nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 02:45:37AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 02:45:37AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > access. Under Solaris, I've discovered that none of the standard shells Ignore this. I didn't realize I had mail this old in my mailbox. :-( -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 04:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20471 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20462 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05102; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:23:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:23:57 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Graham Wheeler , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ifconfig alias weirdness Message-ID: <19980921142357.A1023@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Graham Wheeler , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199809210953.LAA04029@cdsec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.7i In-Reply-To: <199809210953.LAA04029@cdsec.com>; from Graham Wheeler on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 11:53:49AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 11:53:49AM +0200, Graham Wheeler wrote: > Hi all > > On a different note to the hang/reboot, I've noticed the following which > may be a bug, or perhaps I'm just missing something (or maybe I'm just > being pedantic!). Yes, you are missing the FAQ article "How can I setup Ethernet aliases". > > If I want to set up an alias on an interface with a subnet, there are > two different behaviours I observe depending on whether or not the > netmask is specified with the alias. > > If I use: > > ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 up > ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 alias > > then the routes get messed up. After the first ifconfig the routes > are correct: > > 196.37.78.96/26 link#1 ^^ Are you sure it is equal 26? if you use 255.255.255.240, it should be 28. > > But after the alias we have: > > 196.37.78 link#1 > 196.37.78.96/26 link#1 > > which indicates that an implicit netmask of 255.255.255.0 has been used. Yes, you're absolutely right. This is a class C address, so the default netmask for it will be 255.255.255.0. Imagine, if you'd have 2 different class C networks hosted on your machine: ifconfig ed0 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig ed0 inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias > On the other hand, if I use: > > ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 netmask 255.255.255.240 alias > > then the alias is right, and the bad route doesn't get added; however, > ifconfig prints an error: `SIOCIFADDR: file exists'. This is what your kernel should do, because when you issue ``ifconfig'' command, your kernel implicitly adjusts its routing table with "interface" route, which is marked as "link#N" in the ``netstat -r'' output. In your case, when you issue ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 netmask 255.255.255.240 alias this "interface" route will be 196.37.78.96/28, and it's already exists. > > I can live with the error message, but it is a bit disturbing. > In your specific case, when you want an alias from an already defined subnet, you should specify netmask as 255.255.255.255: ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias Best regards, -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 04:32:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20908 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20903 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15654; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:32:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA29766; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:32:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980921133218.15796@follo.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:32:18 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <3605C5CB.C61EAC21@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <199809210446.VAA03265@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199809210446.VAA03265@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 09:46:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 09:46:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > A GPL is inconvenient because companies won't want to be forced to > > distribute source code of a key part with the OS. GPL was designed to > > live only with GPL and I don't think Compaq, IBM and SUN will accept it. > > We must start pressing for a BSD-like license here. > > OTOH the Open Group is already understanding ... > > There's no need for the reference implementation to be GPL-contaminated > - it can be shipped as patches to the Linux kernel rather than > integrated with it, and those patches need not be GPL'ed. I don't think this is correct. I believe the patches would count as a derived work, and thus would be covered by the GPL. :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:19:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25975 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA25970 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 26928 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1998 12:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.4) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 12:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <36064437.664A40B3@pipeline.ch> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:19:03 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ark@eltex.ru CC: easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? References: <199809210951.NAA32644@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ark@eltex.ru wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > nuqneH, > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". > with IPFilter instead of ipfw. -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26625 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26592 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01141; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:21:52 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05279; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:22:08 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA00225; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:26:03 +0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:26:03 +0400 Message-Id: <199809211126.PAA00225@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <36064437.664A40B3@pipeline.ch> from "Andre Oppermann " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: oppermann@pipeline.ch Cc: ark@eltex.ru, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be in my kernel.. Andre Oppermann said : > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting > > Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". > > > with IPFilter instead of ipfw. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgY3yaH/mIJW9LeBAQEPzgP9GusBxdyYauZSp78cAbSlH2+Vv4HQzR+P NGAn9YbDjwH7OdgQuHYI+m+j/NrcGbMeRCeELdecmzeBxJql+aSCisYPRQtnTN0E 6Ok5DqY4z2gUexbQ/eaAL7hKSO0XfA27HmqD12QSQ9nYqR7G0rKurN5naQE84q1A Y5LTvJJEwrc= =qRLT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26649 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citadel.cdsec.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26589 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gram@cdsec.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cdsec.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id OAA21432; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:30:08 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel via recvmail id 21381; Mon Sep 21 14:29:24 1998 From: Graham Wheeler Message-Id: <199809211228.OAA04370@cdsec.com> Subject: Re: ifconfig alias weirdness To: ru@ucb.crimea.ua (Ruslan Ermilov) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:28:04 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980921142357.A1023@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> from "Ruslan Ermilov" at Sep 21, 98 02:23:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Are you sure it is equal 26? if you use 255.255.255.240, it should be 28. Sorry, a typo. 28 is correct. > In your specific case, when you want an alias from an already defined > subnet, you should specify netmask as 255.255.255.255: > > ifconfig ed0 inet 196.37.78.99 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias Aha! Thanks! -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cdsec.com Citadel Data Security Phone: +27(21)23-6065/6/7 Internet/Intranet Network Specialists Mobile: +27(83)253-9864 Firewalls/Virtual Private Networks Fax: +27(21)24-3656 Data Security Products WWW: http://www.cdsec.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28573 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA28565 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA02158; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:44:00 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809211044.MAA02158@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: ark@eltex.ru Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:44:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199809211126.PAA00225@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> from "ark@eltex.ru" at Sep 21, 98 03:25:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with > ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be > in my kernel.. ALTQ has to do this for the way it works. If you don't trust the code, fine, but then why would you trust other parts of the OS ? Or is it just the fact that it is not integrated with the source tree that disturbs you ? cheers luigi > > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting > > > > Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28824 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28819 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01165; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:37:31 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05320; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:37:47 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA00299; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:41:37 +0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:41:37 +0400 Message-Id: <199809211141.PAA00299@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <199809211044.MAA02158@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Cc: ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, It is the fact it is not flexible enough that disturbs me. I definitely do not like the idea of patching every interface driver. Luigi Rizzo said : > > Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with > > ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be > > in my kernel.. > > ALTQ has to do this for the way it works. If you don't trust the code, > fine, but then why would you trust other parts of the OS ? > Or is it just the fact that it is not integrated with the source tree > that disturbs you ? > > cheers > luigi > > > > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting > > > > > > Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgY7b6H/mIJW9LeBAQG7cgP9Ecr/sCd5+rlHkZOanwcVnZXan0N4/GUY kZ1TjAxpXCPXnlQqZvZIqQqxa2yQMaMOHion4Sv0ZI+dNNHjVK/v/cmJMsr7JSen HrYTt7F4z8pAuXWW7uECiRG6IF0LlwxYc+EJOVwpczm+M5E8KdHNGsEEwIhzBvna DLR6K4eTJuw= =GTk7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 05:56:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01471 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA01448 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mheller@rhrk.uni-kl.de) Received: from aix12.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( aix12.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.12] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa13197 for ; 21 Sep 98 14:56 MESZ Received: from aixd1.rhrk.uni-kl.de(really [131.246.137.210]) by aix12.rhrk.uni-kl.de via smtpd with smtp id for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:55:49 +0200 (MES) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #6 built 1997-Sep-24) Received: from localhost by aixd1.rhrk.uni-kl.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:55:46 +0200 (MES) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #6 built 1997-Sep-24) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:55:46 +0200 (MES) From: Martin Heller To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-Reply-To: <19980921133218.15796@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anybody looked at the specs ?? The some preliminary specs are available from ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/pub/hp_stds/udi/docs.html UDI will be a SOURCE CODE level (it's explicitly stated) compatible, not BINARY (prove-of-concept prototype completed on 6 OS) The UDI-prohject started in 1995 ( fist archived RFC 1/3/95) and there is also source in the specs for a pointing device driver based on UDI. There is a also nice document describing the license matter of the spec: [quote start] Participation in the specification process includes a number of OS vendors and IHVs, and is open to new participants at any time. 2. Intellectual Property The specification is intended to be publicly available for implementation by anyone, whether or not they are participants in the working group. The definition of any specification developed by the working group will be placed in the public domain, not subject to copyright, patent or any other intellectual property right, so that any party may implement or utilize the specification. However, any party may develop and assert intellectual property rights over a particular implementation of the interface. [quote end] Shouldn't core ask someone to go to the meetings of the project? Revision 0.85 is anticipated for Oct 1998 (freeze of core interface) and Rev 0.90 for Jan 1999. MARTIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03243 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from artemis.syncom.net (artemis.syncom.net [206.64.31.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03236 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyouse@artemis.syncom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by artemis.syncom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29826; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Youse To: Robert Nordier cc: bf20761@binghamton.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC memory usage (what is PIC?) In-Reply-To: <199809190324.FAA12252@ceia.nordier.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Robert Nordier wrote: > Writing truly IP-independent i386 assembly code by hand (and the initial > portion is pure assembly code), requires completely unnatural practices. Actually, I'm not even sure that it's possible. i86-derived architectures have relied on segmentation to provide such position independence. Chuck Youse cyouse@syncom.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05856 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (darren2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05835 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au) Received: (from root@localhost) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14075; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:17:52 GMT Received: from avalon.reed.wattle.id.au(192.168.1.1) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au via smap (V1.3) id sma014073; Mon Sep 21 13:17:47 1998 Received: from percival.reed.wattle.id.au. (percival.reed.wattle.id.au [192.168.1.5]) by avalon.reed.wattle.id.au (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id XAA06687; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:17:46 +1000 (EST) From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <199809211317.XAA06687@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:17:46 +1000 (EST) Cc: ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199809211044.MAA02158@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Sep 21, 98 12:44:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some email I received from Luigi Rizzo, sie wrote: > > > Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with > > ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be > > in my kernel.. > > ALTQ has to do this for the way it works. If you don't trust the code, > fine, but then why would you trust other parts of the OS ? > Or is it just the fact that it is not integrated with the source tree > that disturbs you ? Can we please end this discussion about ALTQ here or take it to private email ? I think we've all heard enough now and maybe there's a hint for someone to go out and write a better one. Thanks, Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08206 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f56.hotmail.com [207.82.251.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA08199 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrevis@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 10046 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 1998 13:29:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980921132940.10044.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.237.209.248 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:29:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.237.209.248] From: "Richard Grevis" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, ark@eltex.ru Cc: oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:29:40 GMT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You said: > ----Original Message Follows----> From: ark@eltex.ru nuqneH, > It is the fact it is not flexible enough that disturbs me. > I definitely do not like the idea of patching every interface > driver. Being interested in a bandwidth limiter and observing this dialog, I am still no closer at all to understanding the specific technical reasons why you don't like it. Is the code too obtuse to review? Does it plug in in unsafe ways (e.g. resource depletion problems)? Is there a likely effect on other streams drivers? By every interface driver, do you mean pipes, SCSI etc? Please explain, best regards, Richard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08781 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08763 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21987; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809211333.JAA21987@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:44:13 -0400 To: Luigi Rizzo , ark@eltex.ru From: Dennis Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au In-Reply-To: <199809211044.MAA02158@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> References: <199809211126.PAA00225@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:44 PM 9/21/98 +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with >> ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be >> in my kernel.. > >ALTQ has to do this for the way it works. If you don't trust the code, >fine, but then why would you trust other parts of the OS ? >Or is it just the fact that it is not integrated with the source tree >that disturbs you ? Then spend a few dollars for something that doesnt :-) dennis > > cheers > luigi > >> > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting >> > >> > Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, LINUX and BSD/OS Bandwidth Manager http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09796 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09789 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01293; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:39:14 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05487; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:39:33 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id QAA00637; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:43:30 +0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:43:30 +0400 Message-Id: <199809211243.QAA00637@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <199809211333.JAA21987@etinc.com> from "Dennis " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: dennis@etinc.com Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, Excellent thing, btw, although source code is not distributed :( Dennis said : > > >ALTQ has to do this for the way it works. If you don't trust the code, > >fine, but then why would you trust other parts of the OS ? > >Or is it just the fact that it is not integrated with the source tree > >that disturbs you ? > > Then spend a few dollars for something that doesnt :-) > http://www.etinc.com > ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, > LINUX and BSD/OS > Bandwidth Manager > > http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgZJ8qH/mIJW9LeBAQHbPAP7B9wKpmJZmYIO3o7V9JV1MxQ4d+SdxfgY JVv9/upo6uhpPCMvj9r04y9SjyPVliIL/YY15HfNJBgneWymMYreIn2z3aXhIRM9 y/z4d1qeuyaovQzjMMPlYjYmXNQ7OFct+/J+s2PwkK5oCmQsDyLdh1aQMN9cmlxL 3KtufOnLt+k= =XOlN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:49:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11319 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11308 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA01993; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.63.19980921072400.04165170@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.63 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:31:01 -0600 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Remember those spontaneous crashes I was getting? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809210754.AAA21394@word.smith.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:54 AM 9/21/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode >> >> Instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0176fb5 >> Stack pointer = 0x10:0xf0199000 > >Are you 100% sure about these numbers? The kernel stack pointer >shouldn't be higher than the instruction pointer. This looks like >either corrupt code eating %esp or a CPU fault. I checked my transcript twice. >There's nothing illegal about this at all; this really looks like a >memory read error (bad memory, CPU, cache or motherboard). You might >have received the GPF because the stack pointer is pointing into the >kernel text segment (which it probably can't write to). > >Corrupting the stack pointer (as opposed to corrupting the contents of >the stack) is pretty difficult. It's also very difficult to track >down. 8( >> As I began to play with the debugger (I really didn't know the commands), I >> saw: >> wd0: interrupt timeout >> wd0: status 50 error 0 >> >> ...which may not have meant anything, but then again.... This is a hint. Could the corruption have occurred in the wd0 driver? Could it have come out because an IRQ occurred at the wrong moment (e.g. while an ATAPI command was executing and the kernel was busy-waiting)? --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11790 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA11756 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25823; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel In-Reply-To: <199809201745.NAA21711@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FWIW, the whole issue of mallocing physically contiguous memory also came up as a sore point at the Extreme Linux workshop. People need to be able to allocate physically contiguous memory long after boot time, not just in that small window of time where lots of contig memory is available. Nobody, nobody, nobody has a decent answer. NT has the least indecent answer at the moment, so people seem to think it's good :-( At the same time, hardware keeps coming out that needs large blocks of physically contiguous memory. I think a reasonable approach would be a /dev/physcontig, which you open and make requests to, and which operates via requests to the VM system. I think the ugly answer is to do terrible things to the VM to make physcontig requests work. But you all know better than I do. Lest you say too many bad things about hardware designers, speaking as someone who was recently in that boat I can say that having physically contiguous memory makes many things easier not only in hardware but also in the driver ... ron Ron Minnich |"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some rminnich@sarnoff.com | failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping (609)-734-3120 | that luck will be in our favor"- A. Digiorgio ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12142 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (widefw.csl.sony.co.jp [133.138.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12116 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kjc@csl.sony.co.jp) Received: from hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (root@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp [43.27.98.57]) by widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id WAA27388; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:51:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (kjc@[127.0.0.1]) by hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/hotaka/98021914) with ESMTP id WAA28310; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:51:19 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199809211351.WAA28310@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp> To: ark@eltex.ru cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:51:23 +0400." <199809210951.NAA32644@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:51:19 +0900 From: Kenjiro Cho Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting >> with IPFilter instead of ipfw. As the author of ALTQ, I have to admit "ALTQ is damn ugly". But it's ugly because "the current drivers are damn ugly". And, at least, ALTQ points out where we have to look at to clean up the drivers. --kj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12186 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA12092 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25829; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:51:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel In-Reply-To: <199809201604.SAA00455@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > look at the audio driver /sys/i386/isa/snd/{dmabuf.c,sound.c} where > contigmalloc is called. You can specify size and alignment, and you are > returned physically contiguous pages) ack. ignore my previous message. This is cool. I'm out of date. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 06:55:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12763 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12741 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA16004; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:55:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:55:05 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lkm query Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm interested in knowing whether it is possible to modify values in a loaded lkm via userland tools. I'm aware of syscall(), but the syscall number of the lkm may vary depending on other loaded modules. The type of module is "misc". Any help would be great, Nick -- Email: ncb05@uow.edu.au - http://rabble.uow.edu.au/~nick Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 08:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23575 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23567 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers sender dcn.att.com!sbabkin (dcn.att.com!sbabkin); Mon Sep 21 10:50 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04723 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: freebsd@mauibuilt.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Help with Digiboard 16em Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:58:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: FreeBSD MAIL [SMTP:freebsd@mauibuilt.com] > > I need help getting a Digiboard 16em working.. I have been following > mailing lists as > best I can but with no results.. I get this error while booting which > suggests a hardware problem.. but according to some old posts in the > lists Im not alone > is there a fix for this now?? > > dgb0: PC/Xi 512K > dgb0 at 0x224-0x227 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 524288 flags 0x2 on isa > dgb0: 2nd reset failed > This driver does not support PC/Xem, that's why it misrecognises it as PC/Xi. I think I have heard recently somewhere that someone was going to add Xem support to FreeBSD, or was it about Linux ? -Sergey Babkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 08:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23601 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23585 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id WAA01449; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:44:50 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199809211444.WAA01449@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: Peter Jeremy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:32:47 MST." <199809210432.VAA03143@word.smith.net.au> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:44:50 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:26:18 -0500, "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > > >I'm concerned about the SNR in hackers, but I just couldn't resist > > >asking if someone was aware and acting on this > > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > > > This was mentioned by some Intel marketroids at the recent AUUG'98 > > conference. There was a fair amount of discussion at a subsequent > > Freenix BOF (which included Greg Lehey and Peter Wemm within the > > FreeBSD group and Robert Hart from Red Hat, as well as assorted > > users from the Linux community and all the *BSD groups). > > > > The almost unanimous concensus(*) was that it was a very bad move and > > the Freenix community should resist it. The major problems seen by > > the group were: > > 1) Binary-only device drivers are a bad idea. It will reduce the chances > > of us getting access to the hardware interface specs, and therefore > > being able to build a device driver that works. > > 2) Binary-only device drivers tie the hardware to the processor. This > > reduces the portability of (eg) PCI cards. > > 3) The difficulty of supporting the kernel services required for a UDI > > driver. > > 4) Increased finger-pointing when a device driver fails. > > Unless there's been a sudden change of direction in the last few months, > UDI is source-level, not a binary-level interface. This invaliates 1) > and 2). 3) is actually less of a problem than many people like to > think; unlike most other driver models (eg. WDM) UDI has been designed > by people that understand the issues. "8. The interfaces exported to drivers must allow for binary compatibility between systems, where appropriate. 8.1. Drivers must not be required to be recompiled to run on different versions of an OS on the same machine. 8.2. Drivers must not be required to be recompiled to run on different OSes which support the same ISA (Instruction Set Architecture), binary file format, and calling conventions." Ie: a UDI binary for an i386 running SCO is supposed to work on all i386 OS's. Having said that, the prospects of being able to grab a pre-existing driver are appealing. Naturally it would be nicest if source was available, but I'd be very suprised if it came from vendors like adaptec etc. Having browsed lightly over the information, I'm not as worried as I was at the conference. I'm beginning to think that it actually might work and work reasonably well. The bulk of the work is going to be in the UDI interface "shims" (for want of a better term) between the UDI modules and the OS proper. It appears to have a lot of callback interfaces, so a UDI-scsi "shim" would probably look a lot like a generic scsi driver with all the "fill me in here" type spots replaced with calls to the other side of the UDI interface. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 09:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06440 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06435 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00526 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199809211620.JAA00526@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-Reply-To: <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:20:18 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. Just think how much more time you'd have if you didn't waste such a large amount of it writing to -hackers whining that "somebody" should do this, and "somebody" should do that. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 09:36:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09028 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09023 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05783; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809211636.JAA05783@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Polstra cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:20:18 PDT." <199809211620.JAA00526@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:36:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In article <199809210222.TAA02158@rah.star-gate.com>, > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > I am the wrong person for this task because I don't have time. > > Just think how much more time you'd have if you didn't waste such a > large amount of it writing to -hackers whining that "somebody" should > do this, and "somebody" should do that. Neo-hacker bullshit response 8) Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 09:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13021 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tandem.milestonerdl.com (main.milestonerdl.com [204.107.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13014 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@tandem.milestonerdl.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by tandem.milestonerdl.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04862; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:41:52 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:41:52 +0000 () From: Marc Rassbach To: ark@eltex.ru cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809211141.PAA00299@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 ark@eltex.ru wrote: > It is the fact it is not flexible enough that disturbs me. > I definitely do not like the idea of patching every interface driver. Instead of handwaving and trashing about saying its ugly/no its not, then why not take the code, re-write it, and re-submit it? IPFW at one time was considered ugly and such. IP-FILTER was considered the way to go. Now, for FreeBSD, IPFW works JUST fine. So, if you don't like what ALTQ looks like, re-write it. Submit your changes to the maintainer. Who knows...in 2 years YOUR version of ALTQ will be standard. But standing about saying it ugly isn't going to accomplish much, now is it? (We now return you to your reg. programming) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 10:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18286 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18275 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01798; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:15:49 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06002; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:16:10 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA01561; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:19:58 +0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:19:58 +0400 Message-Id: <199809211619.UAA01561@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: from "Marc Rassbach " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: marc@tandem.milestonerdl.com Cc: ark@eltex.ru, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu, kev@lab321.ru, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, [ipfilter mailing list removed from cc's by Darren's request] There is thing that looks much better to start with, it is called "dummynet". It uses ipfw and requires heavy modification to be ran without it. Marc Rassbach said : > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 ark@eltex.ru wrote: > > It is the fact it is not flexible enough that disturbs me. > > I definitely do not like the idea of patching every interface driver. > > Instead of handwaving and trashing about saying its ugly/no its not, then > why not take the code, re-write it, and re-submit it? > > IPFW at one time was considered ugly and such. IP-FILTER was considered > the way to go. Now, for FreeBSD, IPFW works JUST fine. > > So, if you don't like what ALTQ looks like, re-write it. Submit your > changes to the maintainer. Who knows...in 2 years YOUR version of ALTQ > will be standard. But standing about saying it ugly isn't going to > accomplish much, now is it? > > (We now return you to your reg. programming) > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgZ8raH/mIJW9LeBAQFplAP/aM0h9JOnqieH32weylKgQEEw6oMnUpwC BGRKmgzofaq/Ks0yUQ5PA24+R0oDDurIB6OLG7klynbn/fo2+2+mrlkodfXyORWa Eln2YDNae85815Yr8WsOLSbUvV65DkPCCEuWrnSH6e75e4Jpc6Z4o5MZwAt16HrX UvuEF6h2/SU= =Lg7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 11:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27153 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beatrice.rutgers.edu (beatrice.rutgers.edu [165.230.209.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27126 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu) Received: (from easmith@localhost) by beatrice.rutgers.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id OAA03841; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allen Smith" Message-Id: <9809211417.ZM3839@beatrice.rutgers.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:17:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: Martin Heller "Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard" (Sep 21, 1:10pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Martin Heller , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 21, 1:10pm, Martin Heller (possibly) wrote: > Shouldn't core ask someone to go to the meetings of the project? > Revision 0.85 is anticipated for Oct 1998 (freeze of core interface) > and Rev 0.90 for Jan 1999. It may be of interest that a representative can vote after going to three meetings in a three-month period. Non-voting representatives can participate in everything except voting. (This information is in ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/pub/hp_stds/udi/Postscript/rules.ps.Z, btw.) -Allen -- Allen Smith easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 11:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29534 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29490 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4030.ime.net [209.90.195.40]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09675 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:27:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809211827.OAA09675@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:07:32 -0400 To: FreeBSD Hackers From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:41 PM 9/21/98 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 ark@eltex.ru wrote: >> It is the fact it is not flexible enough that disturbs me. >> I definitely do not like the idea of patching every interface driver. > >Instead of handwaving and trashing about saying its ugly/no its not, then >why not take the code, re-write it, and re-submit it? > >IPFW at one time was considered ugly and such. IP-FILTER was considered >the way to go. Now, for FreeBSD, IPFW works JUST fine. --- I'm rather happy with IPFW. Unfortunately I severely hate the fact that I almost always (during migration) lock myself out of the machine (conveniently located 30 miles away) and have to logon to the console to throw in my rc.ipfw and the lines in the rc.local... But *that* is a user problem... I don't want to 'default accept all' in my kernel either.. or IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or whatever option it is.. But hey, I can only allow certain ports and things like that, which makes it rather flexible. We're still looking into the SonicWall products as well, specifically that of the Plus DMZ variety.. if anyone has any comments on that though, let me know before I fork over the 1700 bucks.. > >So, if you don't like what ALTQ looks like, re-write it. Submit your >changes to the maintainer. Who knows...in 2 years YOUR version of ALTQ >will be standard. But standing about saying it ugly isn't going to >accomplish much, now is it? > >(We now return you to your reg. programming) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 11:42:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03300 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03277 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA231679353; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:49:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <199809210952.CAA09488@word.smith.net.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > I'm in the testing phase for a port of the Citrix MetaFrame (nee ICA, > nee WinFrame) client (using the Linux binary), and I need someone with a > working Winframe/ Picasso/NT Terminal Server network to test it out. I have a WinFrame 1.7 machine, I will be upgrading soon. > Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could > point this at and try it out? I have a WinFrame 1.7 > NB. If you think that a native port of the client for FreeBSD would be > a Good Thing, make sure you go to http://download.citrix.com/ and use > their suggestion form to tell them that. I'll definatly do that. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 11:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03944 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03901 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26417; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-Reply-To: <19980921133218.15796@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , > > There's no need for the reference implementation to be GPL-contaminated > > - it can be shipped as patches to the Linux kernel rather than > > integrated with it, and those patches need not be GPL'ed. > > I don't think this is correct. I believe the patches would count as a > derived work, and thus would be covered by the GPL. :-( Isn't it ironic that the loudest 'free software' advocates would choose a license that is not. -- | Matthew N. Dodd |This space | '78 Datsun 280Z | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net |is for rent| '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 11:48:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04823 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04762 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26506; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: ark@eltex.ru cc: oppermann@pipeline.ch, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809211126.PAA00225@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 ark@eltex.ru wrote: > Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with > ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be > in my kernel.. It must suck not wanting BPF in your kernel. :) I'm not sure how you live with yourself. Any sort of intrusive features like ALTQ will require intrusive code to implement them. How else would you suggest this sort of thing be handled? (Hint, dummynet appears to require device driver modification to work.) > Andre Oppermann said : > > > ALTQ is damn ugly. I'd prefer to see something like dummynet interacting > > > > Please be a little bit more specific with "ALTQ is damn ugly". -- | Matthew N. Dodd |This space | '78 Datsun 280Z | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net |is for rent| '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 12:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19497 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19445 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00914; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809211950.MAA00914@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bill Fumerola cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:49:12 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:50:00 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > I'm in the testing phase for a port of the Citrix MetaFrame (nee ICA, > > nee WinFrame) client (using the Linux binary), and I need someone with a > > working Winframe/ Picasso/NT Terminal Server network to test it out. > > I have a WinFrame 1.7 machine, I will be upgrading soon. Anyone wants to poke at it: http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/citrix_ica.tar.gz -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 13:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22682 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m1-24-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22659 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA01318; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:52:27 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199809211952.VAA01318@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: PC memory usage (what is PIC?) In-Reply-To: from Charles Youse at "Sep 21, 98 09:18:06 am" To: cyouse@artemis.syncom.net (Charles Youse) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:51:18 +0200 (SAT) Cc: rnordier@nordier.com, bf20761@binghamton.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charles Youse wrote: > > Writing truly IP-independent i386 assembly code by hand (and the initial > > portion is pure assembly code), requires completely unnatural practices. > > Actually, I'm not even sure that it's possible. i86-derived architectures > have relied on segmentation to provide such position independence. Well, maybe "not possible" is rather strong, though I'd go along with "not particularly idiomatic": main: call .+0x5 popl %ebp subl $0x5,%ebp pushl $msg.1-msg leal msg-main(%ebp),%eax pushl %eax pushl $0x1 movl $0x4,%eax call .+0x5 lcall $0x7,$0x0 pushl $0x0 movl $0x1,%eax call .+0x5 lcall $0x7,$0x0 msg: .ascii "hello, world!\n" msg.1: -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 14:14:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08041 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07948 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA02879; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:24:37 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809211924.VAA02879@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:24:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Sep 21, 98 02:47:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Any sort of intrusive features like ALTQ will require intrusive code to > implement them. > > How else would you suggest this sort of thing be handled? > > (Hint, dummynet appears to require device driver modification to work.) no, this is not true, but just because dummynet does a different -- easier, in a sense -- thing. The reason why you saw dummynet coming in together with device driver patches is that at the same time i also added support for bridging, and that _did_ require working at the device driver (actually, it might have been done in ether_input() but with some loss of efficiency, and since there efficiency is critical i thought it was better to go as low as reasonably possible). Cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 14:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09992 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09974 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA28795; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: ark@eltex.ru, oppermann@pipeline.ch, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809211924.VAA02879@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > no, this is not true, but just because dummynet does a different -- > easier, in a sense -- thing. The reason why you saw dummynet coming in > together with device driver patches is that at the same time i also > added support for bridging, and that _did_ require working at the > device driver (actually, it might have been done in ether_input() but > with some loss of efficiency, and since there efficiency is critical i > thought it was better to go as low as reasonably possible). Ah! I remember now. :) You are correct. I had not intended to lump your code with ALTQ the way I did. :) -- | Matthew N. Dodd |This space | '78 Datsun 280Z | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net |is for rent| '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 14:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12964 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12735 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA296919759; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:42:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <199809210952.CAA09488@word.smith.net.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could > point this at and try it out? I seem to have problems when I try higher resolutions and/or colors. I get: Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)! where HHH is 3 hex digits. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 15:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19855 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19687 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01680; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809212206.PAA01680@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bill Fumerola cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:42:39 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:06:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could > > point this at and try it out? > > I seem to have problems when I try higher resolutions and/or colors. I > get: > > Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)! > > where HHH is 3 hex digits. Anyone else seeing this? How about on Linux systems? It *sounds* like an Xserver/Xlib interaction problem (unless we are corrupting the stream, but that seems unlikely). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 15:27:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from indigo.ie (ts02-026.dublin.indigo.ie [194.125.134.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27528 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rotel@indigo.ie) Received: (from nsmart@localhost) by indigo.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA01434; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:19:24 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from rotel@indigo.ie) From: Niall Smart Message-Id: <199809212219.XAA01434@indigo.ie> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:19:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <199809210952.CAA09488@word.smith.net.au>; Mike Smith Reply-To: rotel@indigo.ie X-Files: The truth is out there X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(3) 11/17/96) To: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 21, 2:52am, Mike Smith wrote: } Subject: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server > > I'm in the testing phase for a port of the Citrix MetaFrame (nee ICA, > nee WinFrame) client (using the Linux binary), and I need someone with a > working Winframe/ Picasso/NT Terminal Server network to test it out. At one stage Citrix were running some kind of registration server and/or demonstration from their own machines, have you checked there? Niall -- Niall Smart, rotel@indigo.ie. Amaze your friends and annoy your enemies: echo '#define if(x) if (!(x))' >> /usr/include/stdio.h To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 15:43:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00926 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13571; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:42:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd013514; Mon Sep 21 15:42:51 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19688; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:42:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809212242.PAA19688@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:42:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980921133218.15796@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at Sep 21, 98 01:32:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > There's no need for the reference implementation to be GPL-contaminated > > - it can be shipped as patches to the Linux kernel rather than > > integrated with it, and those patches need not be GPL'ed. > > I don't think this is correct. I believe the patches would count as a > derived work, and thus would be covered by the GPL. :-( They would. But you could seperate the patches from the implementation. The main problem is that the contribution of changes would need to be back to the UDI source base, rather than to Linux, to be able to facilitate any OS other than Linux, and to keep the standard from fragmenting. It also seems to me that Linux will be in the same boat as FreeBSD, in that it will have to convince vendors to recompile under Linux, since it is a source-level standard, and Adaptec is not going to release their source code to them any more than to us. FWIW: There is not mention of Linux that I have been able to find on the UDI WWW pages. I have sent email off to the contacts concerning the contents of the directory: ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/pub/hp_stds/udi/pub_include/ And the licensing policy for the files on that site. I expect a response in the near future (i.e., let's not all mail-bomb them). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 15:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02418 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02342 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06261; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:50:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd006222; Mon Sep 21 15:50:24 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20031; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:50:23 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809212250.PAA20031@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: malloc()ing 64K physically contiguous buffer in kernel To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Sep 21, 98 09:50:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > FWIW, the whole issue of mallocing physically contiguous memory also came > up as a sore point at the Extreme Linux workshop. People need to be able > to allocate physically contiguous memory long after boot time, not just in > that small window of time where lots of contig memory is available. > Nobody, nobody, nobody has a decent answer. NT has the least indecent > answer at the moment, so people seem to think it's good :-( The kernel VM space's physical pages are relocatable; that's the point of having a kernel virtual address space. Because the kernel is monolithically loaded, and because such an interface will never *not* be part of the minimal memory footprint, it seems to me that you could easily build a KVA space defragmenter in order to achieve sufficient contiguois memory to do the job, so long as that defragmenter was part of the initial (non-fragmented) kernel image load. For the future, when the kernel will be sectionally discarable, as drivers are placed in seperate ELF sections, there will need to be a section attribute to allow for marking the relocation code as non-relocatable (similar to the previously discussed marking of the code in the swap-path as non-swappable, and allowing the majority of the kernel to be swapped out, as necessary, to increase cache efficiency, or the marking of probe code as "discard after run", etc.). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 16:04:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05489 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05405 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16617; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016573; Mon Sep 21 16:03:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20590; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:03:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809212303.QAA20590@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: lkm query To: ncb05@uow.edu.au (Nicholas Charles Brawn) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:03:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Nicholas Charles Brawn" at Sep 21, 98 11:55:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm interested in knowing whether it is possible to modify values in a > loaded lkm via userland tools. I'm aware of syscall(), but the syscall > number of the lkm may vary depending on other loaded modules. The type > of module is "misc". This is typically achieved through exportation of a pseduo-device into the device space to allow for control of the module. The LKM prototype code was, in fact, a statically linked driver on an SVR4.0.2 kernel (since I had access to System V source code through my university, and through my own transferrable SVR3.2 source licenses for three of the pieces of hardware I own -- the license came with the hardware; it's transferrable after all). I did the initial work because SVR4.0.2 did not support loadable devices. I then ported it to SunOS, which supported loadable devices, but not loadable system calls. Once in the KVA, the device driver was free to blow any data it wanted... including sysent[] entries. 8-). For system calls, the slot number is returned in the modstat, precisely because the slot may be randomly assigned. The intent is that a program loading a system call will use the modstat type interface to get this number, and then call "syscall(2)" using the number as the first argument. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 16:28:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11484 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11304 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id QAA19904 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199809212326.QAA19904@george.lbl.gov> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ether_???multi functions Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After 3.0-980804, the ether multicast functions, such as, ether_addmulti(), ether_delmulti(), struct ether_multi {} etc., seem either changed or disappared. Would some one tell me what is the replacement for these functions and structures? Thanks, -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 16:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12196 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11949 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reilly@zeta.org.au) Received: from zeta.org.au (d1.syd2.zeta.org.au [203.26.11.1]) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23640 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:29:34 +1000 Received: (qmail 5280 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Sep 1998 22:33:20 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Message-ID: <19980922083320.A3548@reilly.home> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:33:20 +1000 To: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <360491FA.3BEA2BE6@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:23:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:23:42PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system > (eg. driver lookup, dependancy management, etc.) Any chance of a comment on those who've had a look at UDI on whether it allows or thwarts hard-real-time concerns? There seems to be a move among printer and modem manufacturers (not to mention various multi-media entertainments) to push a lot of the real-time control onto PC drivers, and it would be nice to allow the possibility of support for these. Is a UDI on QNX implementation possible, for example? (I know FreeBSD itself doesn't care just yet, but moves are afoot, aren't they?) -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 16:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12728 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12410 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reilly@zeta.org.au) Received: from zeta.org.au (d1.syd2.zeta.org.au [203.26.11.1]) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23769 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:31:27 +1000 Received: (qmail 5280 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Sep 1998 22:33:20 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Message-ID: <19980922083320.A3548@reilly.home> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:33:20 +1000 To: Mike Smith , "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard References: <360491FA.3BEA2BE6@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199809202023.NAA00557@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:23:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 01:23:42PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > http://www.sco.com/udi/ > > UDI is a reasonably nice framework. Someone with some time on their > hands might want to try implementing it for FreeBSD. Last time I read > the drafts, there were still significant omissions, particularly > addressing the way that a UDI driver might integrate with the system > (eg. driver lookup, dependancy management, etc.) Any chance of a comment on those who've had a look at UDI on whether it allows or thwarts hard-real-time concerns? There seems to be a move among printer and modem manufacturers (not to mention various multi-media entertainments) to push a lot of the real-time control onto PC drivers, and it would be nice to allow the possibility of support for these. Is a UDI on QNX implementation possible, for example? (I know FreeBSD itself doesn't care just yet, but moves are afoot, aren't they?) -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22537 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22415 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4043.ime.net [209.90.195.53]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09958; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:08:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809220008.UAA09958@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:04:35 -0400 To: Bill Fumerola , Mike Smith From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809210952.CAA09488@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's a good bug you have there. All mine does is coredumps if I load a window manager.. At 01:42 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >> Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could >> point this at and try it out? > >I seem to have problems when I try higher resolutions and/or colors. I >get: > >Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)! > >where HHH is 3 hex digits. > >- bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - >- ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - > > "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect > when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24332 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24232 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16819; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd016697; Mon Sep 21 17:13:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25362; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:13:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809220013.RAA25362@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard To: easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu (Allen Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:13:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mheller@rhrk.uni-kl.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9809211417.ZM3839@beatrice.rutgers.edu> from "Allen Smith" at Sep 21, 98 02:17:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got a hold of these people. The Linux version of UDI is being implemented by Intel, and not directly: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/Cn091698.htm They also said that: o They would be "happy to see a FreeBSD port". o The easiest thing "may be to take the reference implementation and port it to FreeBSD". I believe they were talking about the SCO UnixWare 7 source, *not* the Intel/Linux source. o The current code is not usable for anything more than proof of concept. o The 0.85 code will allow for a straight-forward sync-up with the 1.0 specification. o The October date for 0.85 may slip into November at this point. o There is basic agreement that, "in markets where it makes sense", there will be an addemdum that specifies how the source standard gets bound to a particular binary convention, most likely IA32 (the Intel UNIX ABI) calling conventions and data management, and ELF format objects. This has not yet been formally proposed for any kind of standardization, as yet, however. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24367 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24263 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA25993; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:14:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:14:04 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: follow-up to lkm query Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Greg Lehey suggested I repost this to -hackers] To give you an idea of what i'm working on, I have a security mod that temporarily replaces syscalls (execve, link, symlink, write, etc), performs some access-control, then passes back to the original syscall. I'd like to be able to modify the acl via userland if possible, and one such thought was to have two lkms, one which was for "admin" purposes, such as modifying the acl list, and the other which actually did the work and performed authentication/etc by calling the other one. Anyway, if anyone could offer any suggestions I would be much appreciative. Nick -- Email: ncb05@uow.edu.au - http://rabble.uow.edu.au/~nick Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24816 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24699 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02423; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809220020.RAA02423@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Drew Baxter cc: Bill Fumerola , Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:04:35 EDT." <199809220008.UAA09958@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:20:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm, would either of you be running with one of the alpha-stability ELF XFree86 configurations? > That's a good bug you have there. All mine does is coredumps if I load a > window manager.. > > At 01:42 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > >> Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could > >> point this at and try it out? > > > >I seem to have problems when I try higher resolutions and/or colors. I > >get: > > > >Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)! > > > >where HHH is 3 hex digits. > > > >- bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - > >- ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - > > > > "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect > > when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25840 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25747 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4043.ime.net [209.90.195.53]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09975; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:18:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809220018.UAA09975@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:14:50 -0400 To: Mike Smith From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Cc: Bill Fumerola , Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809220020.RAA02423@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm running whatever came with July 20th's FreeBSD-Current.. I'd be more inclined to say 'the crappy laptop'.. but I wouldn't be too sure of that, because sometimes it does work.. Probably when the moon is aligned with Pluto or some Asimov-ism like that. At 05:20 PM 9/21/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >Hmm, would either of you be running with one of the alpha-stability ELF >XFree86 configurations? > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 17:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01639 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00434; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.39]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA19629; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:37:51 +0500 Message-ID: <3606EFD8.8694C5BF@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:31:20 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: UDI Project] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C451C0734AB4E401B2B2CBDF" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C451C0734AB4E401B2B2CBDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the crossposting, but this is of general interest...it's good to be polite :-). Pedro. --------------C451C0734AB4E401B2B2CBDF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from pecos-int.iphase.com ([157.175.3.200]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA17968 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:18:27 +0500 Received: by pecos-int.iphase.com; id AA21457; Mon, 21 Sep 98 11:06:55 CDT Received: from pc-eng-013.iphase.com(157.175.101.50) by pecos.iphase.com via smap (3.2) id xma021413; Mon, 21 Sep 98 11:06:34 -0500 Received: (from kquick@localhost) by pc-eng-013.iphase.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18928; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:05:29 -0500 From: Kevin Quick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <13830.31049.738206.213544@pc-eng-013> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:05:29 -0500 (CDT) To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: udi@core.rose.hp.com Subject: UDI Project In-Reply-To: <36053F64.39353B2@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> References: <36053F64.39353B2@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: kquick@iphase.com Pedro F. Giffuni writes: > Hello: > I have used SCO, Solaris, AIX, and lately FreeBSD, and I clearly see the > advantages this project can have. First of all, as a UNIX user, let me > say UDI is a brilliant idea, and kudos to all the people involved. > > Please consider supporting FreeBSD-3.x (http://www.FreeBSD.org) as a > target platform for your project, I am sure the core team will be glad > to help porting this if a pre-release is available. > > kindest regards, > > Pedro F. Giffuni > Universidad Nacional de Colombia > Pedro, We definitely appreciate your interest and support for UDI. At present, we don't have anyone participating from the FreeBSD perspective and I don't think the current participants have the bandwidth at the moment to work on FreeBSD. I would, however, invite yourself and other members of the FreeBSD core team to become involved in UDI to facilitate FreeBSD support for UDI. We are an open working group; anyone may join. Furthermore, our current specifications are available from our Web site: http://www.sco.com/UDI which would allow FreeBSD to begin development of UDI support. Publicly available sample code from Intel and the other member organizations will also become available over the next few months. Again, thank you for your interest and feel free to join in or just give us periodic feedback. Regards, Kevin -- ________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Quick Interphase Corporation Engineering Dallas, Texas kquick@iphase.com http://www.iphase.com 214.654.5173 --------------C451C0734AB4E401B2B2CBDF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 18:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10808 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10715 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17049; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199809220139.SAA17049@austin.polstra.com> To: cracauer@cons.org Subject: Re: GDB modifies shared libraries? In-Reply-To: <19980917225134.A6368@cons.org> References: <199809171409.KAA02717@tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com> <199809171632.JAA11090@austin.polstra.com> <19980917225134.A6368@cons.org> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:39:24 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19980917225134.A6368@cons.org>, Martin Cracauer wrote: > The original mail of this thread has been forwarded to bugtraq. If > someone is certain what goes on here, please given them an update. Martin, I have merged the fix for this from -current into -stable. Would you be so kind as to follow up with bugtraq and let them know that the problem is fixed in all active branches of FreeBSD? Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 19:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14719 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14645 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19228; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:12:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA23336; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:12:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199809220112.CAA23336@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: FreeBSD MAIL cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with Digiboard 16em In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:23:44 -0000." <199809191123.LAA08891@mauibuilt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:12:45 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I need help getting a Digiboard 16em working.. I have been following mailing lists as > best I can but with no results.. I get this error while booting which > suggests a hardware problem.. but according to some old posts in the lists Im not alone > is there a fix for this now?? > > dgb0: PC/Xi 512K > dgb0 at 0x224-0x227 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 524288 flags 0x2 on isa > dgb0: 2nd reset failed Can you try using the dgm driver (only in current) ? -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 19:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14911 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14852 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19235; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:15:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA23364; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:15:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199809220115.CAA23364@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com cc: freebsd@mauibuilt.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with Digiboard 16em In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:58:45 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:15:36 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [.....] > > dgb0: PC/Xi 512K > > dgb0 at 0x224-0x227 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 524288 flags 0x2 on isa > > dgb0: 2nd reset failed > > > This driver does not support PC/Xem, that's why it misrecognises it as > PC/Xi. > I think I have heard recently somewhere that someone was going to add > Xem > support to FreeBSD, or was it about Linux ? Yep. It was added (the dgm driver), but the submitter doesn't run -current (I found out after committing). Any feedback would be nice :-) > -Sergey Babkin -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 20:47:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05478 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smarter.than.nu (lal-99-91.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.99.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05423 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@smarter.than.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smarter.than.nu (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02236 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@smarter.than.nu) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vty lock Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I want to write a vty locking program similar in function to Linux's vlock. Anyone have (partial?) code implementing something like this, or have any pointers as to what I'd need to modify in the kernel to facilitate this? Thanks, -- Brian Buchanan brian@smarter.than.nu Never believe that you know the whole story. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 21:15:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08568 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08560 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA14545 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:44:28 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA12535; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:44:27 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:44:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I trust that everybody knows what I mean by the "inetd realloc" problem: after some undefined event inetd behaves in an unfriendly manner towards incoming requests, possibly confusing the clients enough to make them turn away in disgust. This happened to me again today, and I restarted inetd. I've found that every time I do this, I get the following message at regular intervals: Sep 22 13:37:00 freebie inetd[12206]: netbios-ns/udp: bind: Address already in use Now I don't use any such service, nor is there any entry for it in inetd.conf. Where is this coming from? Sure, this is the new inetd, not the old one, but it's puzzling that this happens every time. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 21:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15952 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (nighthawk.iti.gov.sg [192.122.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15923 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@krdl.org.sg) Received: (from mailer@localhost) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA07114; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:08:36 +0800 Received: from mailhub.iti.gov.sg(192.122.132.132) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma007112; Tue Sep 22 13:08:16 1998 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA08319; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:50:47 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980922125047.37290@krdl.org.sg> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:50:47 +0800 From: Joerg Micheel To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation References: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 01:44:26PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg, On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 01:44:26PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Sep 22 13:37:00 freebie inetd[12206]: netbios-ns/udp: bind: Address already in use Not so sure about this, but do you still run any Microsoft in the net ? What's the output of tcpdump in the case ? Sorry for asking trivial questions, just curious, Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 7705577 Kent Ridge Digital Labs (pron: curdle) Fax: +65 7795966 11 Science Park Road Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore Science Park II Plan: Troubleshooting ATM 117685 Singapore Networks and Applications To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 22:25:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20980 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20975 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA14798; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:55:17 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA12640; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:55:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980922145515.N9960@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:55:15 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Micheel Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation References: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> <19980922125047.37290@krdl.org.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980922125047.37290@krdl.org.sg>; from Joerg Micheel on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 12:50:47PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 22 September 1998 at 12:50:47 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > Greg, > > On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 01:44:26PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> Sep 22 13:37:00 freebie inetd[12206]: netbios-ns/udp: bind: Address already in use > > Not so sure about this, but do you still run any Microsoft in the > net ? I was going to say "get thee hence, Satan", but then it occurred to me that I do need a Windoze 95% box to download photos from my digital camera, and I used it yesterday. AFAIK I only use TCP/IP, but who knows what the box itself tries. It wasn't running when I restarted inetd, though. > What's the output of tcpdump in the case ? I wouldn't expect any. I suppose I could run it. What filter expression should I use? > Sorry for asking trivial questions, just curious, Same here. If it helps fix the bug, it'll certainly be worthwhile. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 23:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25951 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (nighthawk.iti.gov.sg [192.122.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25945 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@krdl.org.sg) Received: (from mailer@localhost) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA07475; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:14:12 +0800 Received: from mailhub.iti.gov.sg(192.122.132.132) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma007473; Tue Sep 22 14:14:05 1998 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA10125; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:56:37 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980922135637.28071@krdl.org.sg> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:56:37 +0800 From: Joerg Micheel To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation References: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> <19980922125047.37290@krdl.org.sg> <19980922145515.N9960@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980922145515.N9960@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 02:55:15PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 02:55:15PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 22 September 1998 at 12:50:47 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > > What's the output of tcpdump in the case ? > I wouldn't expect any. I suppose I could run it. What filter > expression should I use? 59 [negara] (joerg) uts/sun/io # tcpdump udp port netbios-ns tcpdump: listening on vx0 13:56:39.934503 192.122.135.122.netbios-ns > 192.122.140.80.netbios-ns: udp 68 13:56:41.444976 192.122.135.122.netbios-ns > 192.122.140.80.netbios-ns: udp 68 13:56:42.955440 192.122.135.122.netbios-ns > 192.122.140.80.netbios-ns: udp 68 Not sure whether you should try attaching lo0, that would be: 61 [negara] (joerg) uts/sun/io # tcpdump -i lo0 udp port netbios-ns tcpdump: listening on lo0 Could be somebody local on 2.2.7 that I don't know of (still running 2.2.5). Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 7705577 Kent Ridge Digital Labs (pron: curdle) Fax: +65 7795966 11 Science Park Road Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore Science Park II Plan: Troubleshooting ATM 117685 Singapore Networks and Applications To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 23:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28246 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28136 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA14923; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:43:28 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA12762; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:43:26 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980922154326.A12701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:43:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Micheel Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation References: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> <19980922125047.37290@krdl.org.sg> <19980922145515.N9960@freebie.lemis.com> <19980922135637.28071@krdl.org.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980922135637.28071@krdl.org.sg>; from Joerg Micheel on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 01:56:37PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 22 September 1998 at 13:56:37 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 02:55:15PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 22 September 1998 at 12:50:47 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: >> >>> What's the output of tcpdump in the case ? >> I wouldn't expect any. I suppose I could run it. What filter >> expression should I use? > > 59 [negara] (joerg) uts/sun/io # tcpdump udp port netbios-ns Doh. I think I need a brain transplant. > Not sure whether you should try attaching lo0, Well, I tried this on ed2 (my Ethernet interface, don't ask), and nothing came through, so now I'm monitoring all four interfaces. > Could be somebody local on 2.2.7 that I don't know of (still running 2.2.5). I don't think so. I think it occurs as far back as 2.1., and I'm running last month's 3.0. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 21 23:25:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00344 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00311 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25428; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:22:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from cyril) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:22:11 +0400 (MSD) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199809220622.KAA25428@main.piter.net> To: ark@eltex.ru, winter@jurai.net Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au, oppermann@pipeline.ch Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: "Matthew N. Dodd" > > Ok, it patches _all_ network interface drivers instead of working with > > ip-level modules.. I definitely _do_not_want_ a thing like this to be > > in my kernel.. > > It must suck not wanting BPF in your kernel. :) I'm not sure how you live > with yourself. > > Any sort of intrusive features like ALTQ will require intrusive code to > implement them. > > How else would you suggest this sort of thing be handled? > > (Hint, dummynet appears to require device driver modification to work.) hmm, is there any opinions about ipltd? Sincerely, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 01:00:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13260 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:00:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles318.castles.com [208.214.167.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13243 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00624; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809220806.BAA00624@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brian W. Buchanan" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vty lock In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:47:58 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:06:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I want to write a vty locking program similar in function to Linux's > vlock. Anyone have (partial?) code implementing something like this, or > have any pointers as to what I'd need to modify in the kernel to > facilitate this? What's wrong with /usr/bin/lock? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 01:07:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14325 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14308 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04160; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 03:06:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980922030621.43827@futuresouth.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 03:06:21 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "Brian W. Buchanan" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vty lock References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Brian W. Buchanan on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 08:47:58PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 08:47:58PM -0700, Brian W. Buchanan woke me up to tell me: > I want to write a vty locking program similar in function to Linux's > vlock. Anyone have (partial?) code implementing something like this, or > have any pointers as to what I'd need to modify in the kernel to > facilitate this? You mean, like lock(1)? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 02:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24348 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hosting.doublesquare.com (hosting.doublesquare.com [195.5.128.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24289 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ark@eltex.ru) From: ark@eltex.ru Received: from eltex.ru (eltex-spiiras.nw.ru [195.19.204.46] (may be forged)) by hosting.doublesquare.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03734; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:18:02 +0400 (MSD) Received: from paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (root@border.eltex.ru [195.19.198.2]) by eltex.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08014; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:18:14 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from ark@localhost) by paranoid.eltex.spb.ru (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA04680; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:17:37 +0400 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:17:37 +0400 Message-Id: <199809220917.NAA04680@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <199809220622.KAA25428@main.piter.net> from ""Cyril A. Vechera" " Organization: "Klingon Imperial Intelligence Service" Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: cyril@main.piter.net Cc: ark@eltex.ru, winter@jurai.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ipfilter@postbox.anu.edu.au, oppermann@pipeline.ch Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- nuqneH, "Cyril A. Vechera" said : > > hmm, is there any opinions about ipltd? > Works via packet divert API that i do not like and do not have ;) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ {::} {::} {::} CU in Hell _| o |_ | | _|| | / _||_| |_ |_ |_ (##) (##) (##) /Arkan#iD |_ o _||_| _||_| / _| | o |_||_||_| [||] [||] [||] Do i believe in Bible? Hell,man,i've seen one! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNgdrL6H/mIJW9LeBAQGX8AQAjXpc3+WlqHOV/cjUsg7jcWaYioRv/vD4 RnFIKaC2OYsic+R/Os/VBWOXqNs2veoxK5tq38IwVXiNdTBE/MEGcCCwziTnx7Qi D9yyu17e6sd06+oy+tYetCDgDP6+TZSnYqF79FMKdlPogJ/pKrPeR3cZmupK9eqK seJWH5+c31M= =TQr/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 04:35:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15936 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15929 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4035.ime.net [209.90.195.45]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA10864; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:34:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809221134.HAA10864@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:27:20 -0400 To: Greg Lehey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980922134426.L9960@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG have you checked out xinetd? At 01:44 PM 9/22/98 +0930, you wrote: >I trust that everybody knows what I mean by the "inetd realloc" >problem: after some undefined event inetd behaves in an unfriendly >manner towards incoming requests, possibly confusing the clients >enough to make them turn away in disgust. This happened to me again >today, and I restarted inetd. I've found that every time I do this, I >get the following message at regular intervals: > >Sep 22 13:37:00 freebie inetd[12206]: netbios-ns/udp: bind: Address already >in use > >Now I don't use any such service, nor is there any entry for it in >inetd.conf. Where is this coming from? Sure, this is the new inetd, >not the old one, but it's puzzling that this happens every time. > >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 05:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20497 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20479 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA14187; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:05:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:05:56 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: attributes from a fd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How may I obtain the attributes of a file (struct vattr or similar), from a file descriptor alone? Any tips would be great, Nick -- Email: ncb05@uow.edu.au - http://rabble.uow.edu.au/~nick Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 06:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27491 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27485 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22448; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22484; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17355; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199809221302.GAA17355@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:02:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "The inetd realloc problem: an observation" (Sep 22, 1:44pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 22, 1:44pm, Greg Lehey wrote: } Subject: The inetd realloc problem: an observation } I trust that everybody knows what I mean by the "inetd realloc" } problem: after some undefined event inetd behaves in an unfriendly } manner towards incoming requests, possibly confusing the clients } enough to make them turn away in disgust. I'm can't say I'm suprised after looking at the code, which does all sorts of dangerous things like malloc() from within signal handlers. There are some things it is safe to do within a signal handler, but most things aren't. Probably the best thing to do is to rewrite the code so that the signal handlers just set a flag (of type sig_atomic_t), which gets checked in the mainline code where it is safe to to the complicated stuff. } This happened to me again } today, and I restarted inetd. I've found that every time I do this, I } get the following message at regular intervals: } } Sep 22 13:37:00 freebie inetd[12206]: netbios-ns/udp: bind: Address already in use } } Now I don't use any such service, nor is there any entry for it in } inetd.conf. Where is this coming from? Sure, this is the new inetd, } not the old one, but it's puzzling that this happens every time. There's an entry for this at the bottom of my inetd.conf, but it's commented out. # Enable the following two entries to enable samba startup from inetd # (from the Samba documentation). # #netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/smbd smbd #netbios-ns dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/nmbd nmbd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 06:23:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citadel.cdsec.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00365 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gram@cdsec.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cdsec.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id PAA11148; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:29:23 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel via recvmail id 11146; Tue Sep 22 15:29:12 1998 From: Graham Wheeler Message-Id: <199809221327.PAA06772@cdsec.com> Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation To: Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com (Don Lewis) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:27:49 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809221302.GAA17355@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> from "Don Lewis" at Sep 22, 98 06:02:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Sep 22, 1:44pm, Greg Lehey wrote: > } Subject: The inetd realloc problem: an observation > } I trust that everybody knows what I mean by the "inetd realloc" > } problem: after some undefined event inetd behaves in an unfriendly > } manner towards incoming requests, possibly confusing the clients > } enough to make them turn away in disgust. > > I'm can't say I'm suprised after looking at the code, which does all sorts > of dangerous things like malloc() from within signal handlers. There are > some things it is safe to do within a signal handler, but most things aren't. > Probably the best thing to do is to rewrite the code so that the signal > handlers just set a flag (of type sig_atomic_t), which gets checked in > the mainline code where it is safe to to the complicated stuff. I've just changed the source so that all three signal handlers just set flags, and the flags are tested at the start of the main processing loop and the old handlers called if necessary. It will be interesting to see if this improves things. -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cdsec.com Citadel Data Security Phone: +27(21)23-6065/6/7 Internet/Intranet Network Specialists Mobile: +27(83)253-9864 Firewalls/Virtual Private Networks Fax: +27(21)24-3656 Data Security Products WWW: http://www.cdsec.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 06:33:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02142 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02135 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22678; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22969; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17456; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199809221332.GAA17456@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:32:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: Graham Wheeler "Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation" (Sep 22, 3:27pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Graham Wheeler , Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com (Don Lewis) Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 22, 3:27pm, Graham Wheeler wrote: } Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation } I've just changed the source so that all three signal handlers just set } flags, and the flags are tested at the start of the main processing loop } and the old handlers called if necessary. It will be interesting to see } if this improves things. You'll probably want to set a reasonable timeout on select() so that you don't wait forever if a signal happens when you're not in select() and no inputs arrive to activate select. Also, if select() returns -1, the code should examine the flags before returning to the top of the loop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 06:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04258 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04252 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18597; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Owens Reply-To: Charles Owens To: mike@smith.net.au cc: hackers list FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike, Here's what I found (using Terminal Server + MetaFrame): (Important point - I have X running at 16bpp. Also, my FreeBSD box is at 2.2.6-stable) I have a session running on the Terminal server that I've disconnected from. The session is running at 800x600 and 256 colors. Running wfcmgr I set up a session profile (or whatever Citrix calls them). I only set the name of the server and leave all of the window settings alone (so they default to 640x480 and 16 colors). I launch a session. The window with Citrix "splash screen" appears, obviously running at 16 colors (the Citrix "guy" looks grainy). I log in as myself, expecting to reconnect to my still-running session. As expected, the windows expands to 800x600, and then I get a dialog box labeled "Citrix ICA Client Error" with the message: 30: The X Request 10.0 caused error: "3: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)" I'm left with only the option of exiting the program. Sometimes I also see the "Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)" message in the xterm window. If I do this again and log in as a user that does not have a disconnected session running (thereby creating a new server session) everything works fine. Next, I created another session profile. This time I set the window colors setting to 256 (but left the resolution setting at "default). With this session profile, everything works fine. The initial splash screen appears at 640x480 and 256 colors. I log in to existing session... window expands to 800x600 and life is good! (And ____WAY___ faster than the Java ICA client that I've been suffering with :-). My conclusion: The problem seems to be related to the wfica program trying to change number of window colors when moving between the login and actual sesssion phases. Additional data point. When X runs at 8bpp, wfica (at least for me) runs with its own private color map... the above problem doesn't seem to occur. (of course, 8bpp stinks to high heaven...) But the good news is that there is a workaround!! (Hopefully this is indeed the same problem that others have seen) Mike, thankyou thankyou thankyou for doing this port!!! G'day, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 07:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10352 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance.rstcorp.com (assurance.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10343 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance.rstcorp.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA06210; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:19:16 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006201; Tue, 22 Sep 98 10:18:50 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00533; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id KAA00737; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809221418.KAA00737@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Mike Smith Cc: Bill Fumerola , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <199809212206.PAA01680@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199809212206.PAA01680@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Smith writes: >> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> > Anyone have one of these abominations kicking around that they could >> > point this at and try it out? >> >> I seem to have problems when I try higher resolutions and/or colors. I >> get: >> >> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xHHH)! >> >> where HHH is 3 hex digits. Mike> Anyone else seeing this? How about on Linux systems? It *sounds* like Mike> an Xserver/Xlib interaction problem (unless we are corrupting the Mike> stream, but that seems unlikely). Here's what I found: XFree86/AOUT: No errors at all (including high res 1280x1024 w/ 256 colors) XFree86/ELF: Errors don't always occur. However, once an error occurs, it will occur on every session after that. This will continue until I reboot the system. Viren -- Viren R. Shah "Design is the successful application of constraints until only an unique product is left" -- Richard W. Pew (from "The Design of Everday Things" by Don Norman) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 07:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16260 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16180 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from violet.ezo.net (p158.ezo.net [206.102.130.90]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00623; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jim Flowers" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:50:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde638$5e09cea0$858266ce@violet.ezo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes it is. Thanks. Any idea where the BXA website went? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bryant To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 1:14 AM Subject: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) > >this is interesting... > > -jim > >----- Forwarded message from The White House ----- > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary >________________________________________________________________________ >For Immediate Release September 16, 1998 > > > PRESS BRIEFING BY > THE VICE PRESIDENT, > DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN PODESTA, > PRINCIPAL ASSOCIATE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROBERT LITT, > ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE FBI CAROLYN MORRIS, > UNDER SECRETARY OF COMMERCE WILLIAM REINSCH, > DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE JOHN HAMRE, > AND DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JIM STEINBERG > > > The Briefing Room > > >11:57 A.M. EDT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 07:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17328 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smarter.than.nu (lal-99-91.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.99.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17322 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@smarter.than.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smarter.than.nu (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04045; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@smarter.than.nu) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vty lock In-Reply-To: <199809220806.BAA00624@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > I want to write a vty locking program similar in function to Linux's > > vlock. Anyone have (partial?) code implementing something like this, or > > have any pointers as to what I'd need to modify in the kernel to > > facilitate this? > > What's wrong with /usr/bin/lock? I have to terminate or shell out of whatever I'm running at the moment on each vty and run it, then enter my password 9 or 10 times when I return to the console. Linux's vlock lets you specify -a to instantly lock ALL vtys, which is the functionality I'm mainly looking for. -- Brian Buchanan brian@smarter.than.nu Never believe that you know the whole story. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 08:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26361 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26322 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id LAA16377; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980922114958.B15860@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:49:58 -0400 From: Norman C Rice To: Mike Smith , Bill Fumerola Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server References: <199809211950.MAA00914@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199809211950.MAA00914@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 12:50:00PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 12:50:00PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > I'm in the testing phase for a port of the Citrix MetaFrame (nee ICA, > > > nee WinFrame) client (using the Linux binary), and I need someone with a > > > working Winframe/ Picasso/NT Terminal Server network to test it out. > > > > I have a WinFrame 1.7 machine, I will be upgrading soon. > > Anyone wants to poke at it: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/citrix_ica.tar.gz > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com Works great! Thanks Mike. FreeBSD 3.0-Current (aout - cvsup'd July 19, 1998) Pentium II 333MHz 512MB Xaccel 4.1: Board = "matrox/mga-mil8p.xqa"; Monitor = "mfreq/mfreq115.vda"; Packed24 = YES; Desktop = 1600x1200; WinFrame 1.70 ServicePack 5B 1280x1024 256 Colors Applications Tested: Netscape Communicator FoxPro Word Excel No error messages. ;-) -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 09:03:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28335 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28302 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02141; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199809221603.JAA02141@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:58:59 PDT." <24456.906422339@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:05 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am not going to unsubscribe from the mailing lists. With respect to my response to John Polstra , I do believe that he is fully capable of defending himself. > with people. Since you have no time to actually do any of the > engineering work you keep calling for, there's also not much point in Cute, in the context of the current thread, I don't see you personally attacking the supporters of UDI. Additionally, it is very difficult to differentiate a "request for engineering work " to a request for technical functionality. As to my lack of time , I am a consultant and my work load varies something that you well aware of . If this is where your leadership is taking us then I think is time for you to relax and find something else to do . Amancio > > Neo-hacker bullshit response 8) > > Amancio, I think it's time for you to go. All the way gone, I mean. > I don't think you're bringing *anything* productive to the project and > every time you open your mouth, it seems like lots of people get upset > (myself included). Your communication skills simply suck, which is OK > in and of itself but not OK if you're trying to, well, communicate > with people. Since you have no time to actually do any of the > engineering work you keep calling for, there's also not much point in > you bringing these things up though you continue to do so anyway. > Please, for the sake of your blood pressure and the blood pressure of > those around you, unsubscribe from the mailing lists, take your bag of > cookies and GO. I can tell you that if you start one more fight like > this in our mailing lists, I'll make this a non-option for you anyway > so why not leave under your own power? You've worn out your welcome > here. > > Thank you. > > - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 09:15:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00984 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00891 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA14748; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199809221614.JAA14748@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ncb05@uow.edu.au Subject: Re: follow-up to lkm query In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:14:04 +1000 (EST) >From: Nicholas Charles Brawn >To give you an idea of what i'm working on, I have a security mod that >temporarily replaces syscalls (execve, link, symlink, write, etc), >performs some access-control, then passes back to the original syscall. Hmmm.... >I'd like to be able to modify the acl via userland if possible, and one >such thought was to have two lkms, one which was for "admin" purposes, >such as modifying the acl list, and the other which actually did the >work and performed authentication/etc by calling the other one. >Anyway, if anyone could offer any suggestions I would be much appreciative. No specific suggestions just yet, but in the dozen years I spent as an MVS systems programmer, installing, maintaining, and writing "user exits" to take advantage of RACF ("Resource Access Control Facility") was one of my specialties, and I'm certainly willing to help where I can. [RACF was(/is? -- been away for a few years) often referred to as a "security" product, which is something that I find misleading (at best); rather, it's a product that handles user authentication, administrative facilities for manipulating ACLs, and auditing. The actual "resource control" isn't done by RACF at all (save for control over its internal resources), but by code in other parts of the system, such as OPEN or IKJTSO00.... I wrote code, for example, to use RACF ACLs to control which disks would be written to when a file was created or extended -- among (several!) other things....] david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 10:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19600 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19586 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07298; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:40:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (was NT system) now about X In-Reply-To: <199809221418.KAA00737@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> where HHH is 3 hex digits. > > Mike> Anyone else seeing this? How about on Linux systems? It *sounds* like > Mike> an Xserver/Xlib interaction problem (unless we are corrupting the > Mike> stream, but that seems unlikely). > > > Here's what I found: > > XFree86/AOUT: No errors at all (including high res 1280x1024 w/ 256 colors) > > XFree86/ELF: Errors don't always occur. However, once an error occurs, > it will occur on every session after that. This will > continue until I reboot the system. > hmm, i haven't had that many problems, just some odd interaction with gvim not working anymore (fresh compile under ELF), vim works fine, however gvim seems to lock up and then use 100% CPU until i kill -9 it. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 11:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22764 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (gw.sparks.net [209.222.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22659 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0zLWi1-0003Xu-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:58:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AMD K6-2/300 problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just brought up a new system with a FIC 503+ motherboard and an AMD K6-2/300 processor in it. It seems to run pretty well except that the freebsd version of communicator went out to lunch last night (unattended), and today died with: fatal process exception: page fault, fault VA = 0xa004bb14 The other thing which happens is that compiles seem to randomly crash. Compiling GoodStuff, for example: cc -fpic -DPIC -O -I. -I./../generic -I../bitmaps -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0/generic -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DTIME_WITH_SYS_TIME=1 -DTK_LIBRARY=\"/usr/local/lib/tk80\" -c ../generic/tkTextTag.c -o ../generic/tkTextTag.so fatal process exception: general protection fault, fault VA = 0x12e000 cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 10 *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Anyone else seeing this? It compiles OK on a K6-200 I have at home:) Thanks, --- David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 11:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25630 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25516 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA039474120; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:22:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <199809220020.RAA02423@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I should have mentioned earlier that this is a -STABLE box circa aug-1998. On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Hmm, would either of you be running with one of the alpha-stability ELF > XFree86 configurations? - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 11:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03351 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03302 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (bangor-1.ime.net [209.90.195.58]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11202; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:55:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809221855.OAA11202@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:55:15 -0400 To: , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well yknow, I did have that happen, but it was on one of those Packard Bell Multimedia P100's.. wouldn't compile a damned thing, also wouldnt for Linux either (although Linux faired slightly better). Needless to say, I burned the board (I.e. tossed it) and moved on... I would hope your 'new' system does not need to be tossed though :-) That's just my 2 cents worth.. My guess was the combination of things. CMD640 chipset, crap bios, bad board.. etc. I will say on a lighter note that Supermicro gets my vote, they're right up there with Shuttle Spacewalkers. At 01:58 PM 9/22/98 -0400, david@sparks.net wrote: >I just brought up a new system with a FIC 503+ motherboard and an AMD >K6-2/300 processor in it. > >It seems to run pretty well except that the freebsd version of >communicator went out to lunch last night (unattended), and today died >with: > >fatal process exception: page fault, fault VA = 0xa004bb14 > > >The other thing which happens is that compiles seem to randomly crash. >Compiling GoodStuff, for example: > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -I. -I./../generic -I../bitmaps -I/usr/X11R6/include >-I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0/generic -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 >-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DTIME_WITH_SYS_TIME=1 >-DTK_LIBRARY=\"/usr/local/lib/tk80\" -c ../generic/tkTextTag.c -o >../generic/tkTextTag.so >fatal process exception: general protection fault, fault VA = 0x12e000 >cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 10 >*** Error code 1 > >Stop. >*** Error code 1 > > >Anyone else seeing this? It compiles OK on a K6-200 I have at home:) > >Thanks, > >--- David > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when > one doesn't know what one can't do! > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 12:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04942 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04869 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from ivy.ezo.net (ivy.ezo.net [206.150.211.171]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06930; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005c01bde65b$f2d68780$abd396ce@ivy.ezo.net> From: "Jim Flowers" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:05:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunately, www.bxa.doc.gov seems to have gone away. Best bet is to goto FreeBSD search for hackers list and search for "bxa" to get Jim Bryant's post with the full text included. News conference to announce new rules that appear to resolve many issues and loosen encryption software export restrictions, especially for foreign facilities of US based multinational corporations. Unlimited key lengths with or without key recovery. This probably belongs on "security", but I'm not going to be the one to cross-post. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Onur Toker To: Jim Flowers Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 2:49 PM Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) >Hello, > > How can I get the full press briefing ? What is the latest >news about encryption issues ? > >Thanks, > >Onur > >Jim Flowers wrote: >> >> Yes it is. Thanks. Any idea where the BXA website went? >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 12:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06100 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06016 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07181 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199809221907.OAA07181@plains.NoDak.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FYI: function call failures Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *** FYI. for S/N concerns, please take comments about paper to -chat *** from comp.arch a reference (http://www.ices.cmu.edu/ballista/ftcs98/) to a test of function call failures. FreeBSD did not fair too well compared to other OSes. *** FYI. for S/N concerns, please take comments about paper to -chat *** --mark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 14:13:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01441 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.distance.net (ns2.distance.net [209.69.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01343 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spam@distance.net) Received: from distance.net (zula@tchpf-port-231.lsl.com [209.69.166.231]) by ns2.distance.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00673; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:12:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spam@distance.net) Message-ID: <3640D0DB.F5E1552F@distance.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:10:35 -0500 From: RPD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david@sparks.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David, Did you buy new memory also?. If so try swaping the memory from your K6/200 machine into your K6/300. I have had problems pertaining to ones you have listed below due to bad memory. -RPD (D.C.) david@sparks.net wrote: > > I just brought up a new system with a FIC 503+ motherboard and an AMD > K6-2/300 processor in it. > > It seems to run pretty well except that the freebsd version of > communicator went out to lunch last night (unattended), and today died > with: > > fatal process exception: page fault, fault VA = 0xa004bb14 > > The other thing which happens is that compiles seem to randomly crash. > Compiling GoodStuff, for example: > > cc -fpic -DPIC -O -I. -I./../generic -I../bitmaps -I/usr/X11R6/include > -I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0/generic -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 > -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DTIME_WITH_SYS_TIME=1 > -DTK_LIBRARY=\"/usr/local/lib/tk80\" -c ../generic/tkTextTag.c -o > ../generic/tkTextTag.so > fatal process exception: general protection fault, fault VA = 0x12e000 > cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 10 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Anyone else seeing this? It compiles OK on a K6-200 I have at home:) > > Thanks, > > --- David > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when > one doesn't know what one can't do! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 16:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23314 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01289; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03580; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19262; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199809222259.PAA19262@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: Don Lewis "Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation" (Sep 22, 6:32am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Don Lewis , Graham Wheeler Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 22, 6:32am, Don Lewis wrote: } Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation } On Sep 22, 3:27pm, Graham Wheeler wrote: } } Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation } } } I've just changed the source so that all three signal handlers just set } } flags, and the flags are tested at the start of the main processing loop } } and the old handlers called if necessary. It will be interesting to see } } if this improves things. } } You'll probably want to set a reasonable timeout on select() so that you } don't wait forever if a signal happens when you're not in select() and } no inputs arrive to activate select. Also, if select() returns -1, } the code should examine the flags before returning to the top of the loop. I thought of a more elegant way of handling the timeout problem. Before starting the select loop, create a pipe. Add the fd of the read end of the pipe to the list of descriptors passed to select. In each of the signal handlers, write a single character to the pipe in addition to setting the flag. When select indicates that the pipe has data to read, block the signals that have handlers, read a character from the pipe, test and clear each of the flags, execute the appropriate code for each flag, and unblock signals. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 16:25:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27203 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27192 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ziggy@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (ziggy@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22088 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Ziegler To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ufs_access behavior Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am currently writing a kernel modification which allows the superuser to configure a user to have access to other users' files. I modify, among other things, ufs_access() in ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c, and am trying to decide on the proper behavior of the function. Is there a reason for a user to not always have read/write access to his files (perm 000), as root does (for any file)? -Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 16:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02312 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02298 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA01557; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199809222351.QAA01557@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ziggy@wopr.inetu.net Subject: Re: ufs_access behavior In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) >From: Ryan Ziegler >Is there a reason for a user to not always have read/write access to his >files (perm 000), as root does (for any file)? Yes. For example, I use RCS for lots of things, such as Web pages. When the page is checked in, it has perms 0444... and the not-so-subtle reminder that the file is read-only is sometimes a useful clue that I was supposed to have followed my own rules & checked the file out before messing with it. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 17:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05590 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from indigo.ie (ts04-065.dublin.indigo.ie [194.125.148.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05492 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rotel@indigo.ie) Received: (from nsmart@localhost) by indigo.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA01658; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:49:35 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from rotel@ginseng.indigo.ie) From: Niall Smart Message-Id: <199809222349.AAA01658@indigo.ie> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:49:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: <199809211827.OAA09675@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us>; Drew Baxter Reply-To: rotel@indigo.ie X-Files: The truth is out there X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(3) 11/17/96) To: Drew Baxter , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 21, 2:07pm, Drew Baxter wrote: } Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? > > But *that* is a user problem... I don't want to 'default accept all' in my > kernel either.. or IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or whatever option it is.. But > hey, I can only allow certain ports and things like that, which makes it > rather flexible. Personally I don't think IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is a bad idea, once you are sure you have the accept rules necessary to ensure your connectivity to the host you can pop in a deny all rule. This will probably be slower than defaulting to deny though. Niall -- Niall Smart, rotel@indigo.ie. Amaze your friends and annoy your enemies: echo '#define if(x) if (!(x))' >> /usr/include/stdio.h To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 17:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06508 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06360 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4012.ime.net [209.90.195.22]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA11487; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:09:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809230009.UAA11487@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:08:46 -0400 To: rotel@indigo.ie, FreeBSD Hackers From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809222349.AAA01658@indigo.ie> References: <199809211827.OAA09675@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:49 AM 9/23/98 +0000, Niall Smart wrote: > >Personally I don't think IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is a bad idea, once you >are sure you have the accept rules necessary to ensure your connectivity >to the host you can pop in a deny all rule. This will probably be slower >than defaulting to deny though. --- Hm, isn't default_to_accept still affected by ipfw flush? --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 17:46:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13742 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13712 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA16064 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980922184601.D7279@worldgate.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:46:01 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ASUS P2L97 board. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm currently in the proccess of replacing a tekram 430Tx motherboard with a ASUS P2L97 (440LX ) motherboard. Currently installed on the tekram is IDE controler PCI Bus0 PCI vga card PCI Bus0 multiport NIC PCI Bus1 multiport NIC PCI Bus2 miltiport NIC PCI Bus3 works like a charm very happy .... Went to install the _Exact_ components from the 430tx board to install on the ASUS board and get IDE controller PCI Bus0 PCI vga card PCI Bus0 multiport NIC PCI Bus2 multiport NIC PCI Bus3 multiport NIC PCI Bus4 made me go hmmmm..... PCI Bus4 ...... hmmm ... and guess what the card on bus 4 is not a happy camper..... it not work .... FreeBSD detected everything fine .... but the device on Bus4 is unhappy ..... any thoughts what happened to bus 1 ..... -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 19:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04547 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04473 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17353; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd017330; Tue Sep 22 19:39:53 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15572; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:39:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809230239.TAA15572@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FYI: function call failures To: tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:39:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809221907.OAA07181@plains.NoDak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Sep 22, 98 02:07:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > *** FYI. for S/N concerns, please take comments about paper to -chat *** > > from comp.arch a reference (http://www.ices.cmu.edu/ballista/ftcs98/) to > a test of function call failures. FreeBSD did not fair too well compared > to other OSes. > > *** FYI. for S/N concerns, please take comments about paper to -chat *** This is not a comment about the paper; it is a comment about your statement that "FreeBSD did not fair too well compared to other OSes". Unfortunately, I'll have to examine the metric you are holding out in order to make my comment. They are counting abort() traps as a result of passing bad pointers to library functions and system calls as "failures". This is because: ...In this scale, the response lies in one of six categories: Catastrophic (the system crashes or hangs), Restart (the test process hangs), Abort (the test process terminates abnormally, i.e. "core dump"), Silent (the test process exits without an error code, but one should have been returned), Hindering (the test process exits with an error code not relevent to to the situation), and Pass (the module exits properly, possibly with an appropriate error code). Silent and Hindering failures are currently not found by Ballista. In other words: o if you SIGSEGV from a NULL pointer dereference, you are a "bad" OS o if you silently accept bogus arguments without crashing or otherwise indicating an error, you are a "good" OS o if you silently accept bogus arguments that should have resulted in an error, but didn't, you are a "good" OS To wit, this is a rehash of the following two long-lived threads: o FreeBSD should check for invalid pointer arguments to functions like strcmp and strcpy, and otherwise engage in idiot-proofing code, even though idiots who will call these functions incorrectly will not recognize an error response when it bites them on the arse. o FreeBSD should never call abort, even when data outside the process virtual address space is referenced, since even though doing so will pinpoint the exact line of code where the problem exists, while at the same time preventing cascade failures (like launching all nukes if a single failure causes one nuke to be launched), we prefer to trust the programmers to always check the strcpy(3) return values, because we know that all programs check for error returns for libc functions (yeah, right). If you can't tell yet, I disagree with your statement about how well FreeBSD did or did not fare. There is a particular, and *desirable* length to that blue bar for a POSIX compliant OS, though they fail to state where that boundary is, unfortunately, and FreeBSD had no catastropic errors, nor any Restart errors. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 20:01:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08053 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [62.76.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08004 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kev@lab321.ru) Received: from localhost (kev@localhost) by lab321.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA11982; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:58:06 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:58:05 +0700 (OSS) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: Darren Reed cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809211317.XAA06687@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: Another question. Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. -- Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru ICQ#: 5885106 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 20:15:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10692 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10672 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00871; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:05 PDT." <199809221603.JAA02141@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:15:27 -0700 Message-ID: <866.906520527@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If this is where your leadership is taking us then I think is time > for you to relax and find something else to do . Thank you for forwarding a private message to a public mailing list. We can now add lack of etiquette to your other shortcomings as a human being. I won't argue this with you Amancio, I'll just repeat what I said: You're currently dead weight and not someone I'm willing to cut any slack over, so if you keep starting fights here I will take the "subscription decision" out of your hands. I could also care less what you think about my "leadership" since your opinion is frankly not that important to me. Maybe you should be the one finding better things to do? Anyway, I won't be the one to continue this thread in -hackers and the next move you see from me, should another move be called for, will be to eject you like a noisy drunk after closing time. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 20:26:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13262 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13181 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4020.ime.net [209.90.195.30]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11642; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:25:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809230325.XAA11642@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:24:50 -0400 To: Eugeny Kuzakov , Darren Reed From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809211317.XAA06687@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yknow, that's a good question.. and I wish I knew the answer.. I haven't tried it yet. But I'm also only running 0804 as well. Any idea of an easy way to migrate to 0921? Every time I upgrade I just throw in another drive, install onto it, and move my stuff over.. I'd imagine I can use CVSUP and do it quicker.. At 09:58 AM 9/23/98 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote: >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: > > >Another question. > >Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? >Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... >Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. > >Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. >I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. > >-- > Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov > Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) > kev@lab321.ru > ICQ#: 5885106 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 21:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21725 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [62.76.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21570 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kev@lab321.ru) Received: from localhost (kev@localhost) by lab321.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA23199; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:00:15 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:00:15 +0700 (OSS) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: Drew Baxter cc: Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809230325.XAA11642@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > Yknow, that's a good question.. and I wish I knew the answer.. I haven't > tried it yet. But I'm also only running 0804 as well. What load of ipnat ? On my server ipnat configuration dynamically changes after up/down ppp links. I have 2 dedicated lines (33600,pppd 2.3.5), 1 dialin line, 1 ethernet card with 2 aliases. My shell script generates following ipnat config: # just masquerade internal networks on ppp0... map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 #below some lines for transparent proxing...3.0-980804 crashes w/o it even. rdr fxp0 62.76.129.65/32 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 80 tcp rdr fxp0 192.168.6.100/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.100 port 80 tcp rdr fxp0 192.168.6.201/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.201 port 80 tcp rdr fxp0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 8080 tcp I have not any hardware problems because I uses this machine 2 years with 2.1.0-R,2.1.7.1-R,2.2-980806. This it P100/64Mb/AIC7850 from Iwill(I don't remember motherboard id). 3.0-0804 crashes on this machine IF I USES IPNAT. If not - works. > Any idea of an easy way to migrate to 0921? Every time I upgrade I just > throw in another drive, install onto it, and move my stuff over.. I'd > imagine I can use CVSUP and do it quicker.. > > At 09:58 AM 9/23/98 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote: > >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: > > > > > >Another question. > > > >Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? > >Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... > >Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. > > > >Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. > >I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. > > > >-- > > Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov > > Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) > > kev@lab321.ru > > ICQ#: 5885106 > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > -- Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru ICQ#: 5885106 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 21:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22578 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22503 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4020.ime.net [209.90.195.30]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA11679; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:05:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809230405.AAA11679@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:04:39 -0400 To: Eugeny Kuzakov From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809230325.XAA11642@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was referring to the IPFilter thing namely.. that caught my eye in the kernel config script.. Have you ever thought about using natd or gated? I think you may actually find better results. I can't remeber if gated can do NAT, but I remember I could do it with the proxy option in the user-level PPP.. Any stuff I've done with that is at heatseeker.net.. Now we use Gated because we got a block of 32.. But at the time we used User-Level PPP, and I just had enable proxy and a few other pieces of config enabled. Let me know if you want further information.. At 11:00 AM 9/23/98 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote: >On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> Yknow, that's a good question.. and I wish I knew the answer.. I haven't >> tried it yet. But I'm also only running 0804 as well. >What load of ipnat ? >On my server ipnat configuration dynamically changes after up/down ppp >links. I have 2 dedicated lines (33600,pppd 2.3.5), 1 dialin line, >1 ethernet card with 2 aliases. > >My shell script generates following ipnat config: > ># just masquerade internal networks on ppp0... >map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 >map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 >map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 >map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 >map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 >map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 > >#below some lines for transparent proxing...3.0-980804 crashes w/o it even. >rdr fxp0 62.76.129.65/32 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 80 tcp >rdr fxp0 192.168.6.100/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.100 port 80 tcp >rdr fxp0 192.168.6.201/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.201 port 80 tcp >rdr fxp0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 8080 tcp > >I have not any hardware problems because I uses this machine 2 years with >2.1.0-R,2.1.7.1-R,2.2-980806. >This it P100/64Mb/AIC7850 from Iwill(I don't remember motherboard id). >3.0-0804 crashes on this machine IF I USES IPNAT. If not - works. > >> Any idea of an easy way to migrate to 0921? Every time I upgrade I just >> throw in another drive, install onto it, and move my stuff over.. I'd >> imagine I can use CVSUP and do it quicker.. >> >> At 09:58 AM 9/23/98 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote: >> >On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: >> > >> > >> >Another question. >> > >> >Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? >> >Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... >> >Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. >> > >> >Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. >> >I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. >> > >> >-- >> > Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov >> > Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) >> > kev@lab321.ru >> > ICQ#: 5885106 >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> >> > >-- > Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov > Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) > kev@lab321.ru > ICQ#: 5885106 > > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 21:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27570 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main-sd1.artnetonline.com ([194.75.26.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27536 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuehl@lgk.de) Received: from di-003.hamburg.dialin-gw.net (di-003.hamburg.dialin-gw.net [195.90.225.3]) by main-sd1.artnetonline.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.abqk) with ESMTP id ia279014 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:31:29 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <866.906520527@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: kuehl@lgk.de From: Lars Gerhard Kuehl To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-Sep-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> If this is where your leadership is taking us then I think is time >> for you to relax and find something else to do . > > Thank you for forwarding a private message to a public mailing list. > We can now add lack of etiquette to your other shortcomings as a human > being. The format and contents of, at least, some of your private messages braeks all privacy. Etiquette belongs to the things you should not talk about. Lars /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Lars Gerhard Kuehl Phone: +49 40 54768010 Mobile: +49 171 9307085 Fax : +49 40 54768012 Email : kuehl@lgk.de #ifdef is your friend, and everyone's else enemy #endif /* is your friend */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 22:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07877 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07723 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA06139; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:51:29 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809230351.FAA06139@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:51:29 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and most things are working) except that i am having problems with write access to the drive. Before duplicating effort, has someone else already done this and have the code working ? thanks luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 22:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09994 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles87.castles.com [208.214.165.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09952 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00792; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809230556.WAA00792@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Skafte cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97 board. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:46:01 MDT." <19980922184601.D7279@worldgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:56:52 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm currently in the proccess of replacing a tekram 430Tx motherboard > with a ASUS P2L97 (440LX ) motherboard. > > Currently installed on the tekram is > > IDE controler PCI Bus0 > PCI vga card PCI Bus0 > multiport NIC PCI Bus1 > multiport NIC PCI Bus2 > miltiport NIC PCI Bus3 > > works like a charm very happy .... > > Went to install the _Exact_ components from the 430tx board to install on > the ASUS board and get > > IDE controller PCI Bus0 > PCI vga card PCI Bus0 > multiport NIC PCI Bus2 > multiport NIC PCI Bus3 > multiport NIC PCI Bus4 > > made me go hmmmm..... PCI Bus4 ...... hmmm ... and guess what the card on > bus 4 is not a happy camper..... it not work .... FreeBSD detected everything > fine .... but the device on Bus4 is unhappy ..... > > any thoughts what happened to bus 1 ..... Sounds like a BIOS 'feature'. Try moving the cards into different slots, particularly if you have them all together with the VGA card at one end. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 22 23:20:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15703 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as2-p104.tfs.net [139.146.205.104] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15675 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) id BAA08127; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:20:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199809230620.BAA08127@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) In-Reply-To: <003d01bde658$bbc4f680$abd396ce@ivy.ezo.net> from Jim Flowers at "Sep 22, 98 02:42:20 pm" To: jflowers@ezo.net (Jim Flowers) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:20:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 20 11:57:05 CDT 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG personally i would call the cable&wireless/mci noc, and tell them to fix their f*****g nameservers, but be sure to check your root file first, as your domain shows that you handle your own dns, also try flushing your dns cache. in the meantime, i guess mci customers can use: http://207.96.70.148 [which is http://www.bxa.doc.gov] and the relevant page covering the new encryption policy is [follow the link marked encryption from the main bxa page]: http://207.96.11.93/Encryption/Default.htm#WHDocs the following is a brief fact sheet that i guess the white house digested from the original press briefing. ------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release September 16, 1998 FACT SHEET Administration Updates Encryption Policy Exports of 56-bit DES and equivalent products (hardware and software) will be streamlined (under license exception). Requirements for key recovery plans are eliminated. Exports of unlimited strength encryption products (with or without key recovery) will be streamlined (under license exception) to certain industries. The sectors are: Subsidiaries of U. S. Firms, worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Insurance companies to the same 45 countries recently approved for exports to banks and financial institution exports. Health and medical organizations (including civilian government health agencies) in the same 45 countries. Does not include biochemical/pharmaceutical manufacturers. On-line merchants for client-server applications, in the same 45 countries, with the purpose of securing electronic transactions between merchants and their customers. Does not include manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Key Recovery products will continue to be exportable under license exception worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Review of foreign key recovery agents is eliminated. Exports of "recoverable" products will be approved to most commercial firms, and their wholly-owned subsidiaries, in a broad range of countries under encryption licensing arrangements. This group of countries covers most major commercial markets including Western Europe, Japan, and Australia. The policy does not include service providers and manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Exports to end users or destinations outside this policy are possible on a case-by-case basis. Prior to export, products are subject to a one-time product technical review. ------------- i posted this topic to -hackers because it is the appropriate group to post to. this is a wider issue than just os-security IMHO. most of the applications i see falling under this still use embedded encryption. i honestly doubt that this will cover source code, but i could be wrong. please remember that this is not a universal relaxation of policies, and that the internet spreads a bit farther than the intended markets for this policy. the second to last paragraph in the fact sheet *could* cover freebsd [but would probably be a pain in the ass, and could be like the old GTDA license, one per end-user required]. the bxa encryption page mentions some upcoming bxa seminars on this topic, and maybe jordan can send someone from the core group to get better answers. this is only a suggestion, not a request. ------------- In reply: > You must have a better Internet than I do. My utilities report that > www.bxa.doc.gov is a Non-existent host/domain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bryant > To: Jim Flowers > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) > > > >try: > > > >http://www.bxa.doc.gov > > > >In reply: > >> Yes it is. Thanks. Any idea where the BXA website went? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Bryant > >> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > >> Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 1:14 AM > >> Subject: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) > >> > >> > >> > > >> >this is interesting... > >> > > >> > -jim > >> > > >> >----- Forwarded message from The White House ----- > >> > > >> > THE WHITE HOUSE > >> > > >> > Office of the Press Secretary > >> >________________________________________________________________________ > >> >For Immediate Release September 16, 1998 > >> > > >> > > >> > PRESS BRIEFING BY > >> > THE VICE PRESIDENT, > >> > DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN PODESTA, > >> > PRINCIPAL ASSOCIATE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROBERT LITT, > >> > ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE FBI CAROLYN MORRIS, > >> > UNDER SECRETARY OF COMMERCE WILLIAM REINSCH, > >> > DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE JOHN HAMRE, > >> > AND DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JIM STEINBERG > >> > > >> > > >> > The Briefing Room > >> > > >> > > >> >11:57 A.M. EDT > > > >jim > >-- > >All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, > stamped, > >think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, > or > >radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The > Prisoner" > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: > EM28pw > >voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. > http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: > KPC-3+ > > > -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 00:20:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26706 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Chuska.ConSys.COM (Chuska.ConSys.COM [209.141.107.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26701 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (ip-17-074.prc.primenet.com [207.218.17.74]) by Chuska.ConSys.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19862; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:20:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psf.Pinyon.ORG (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA06362; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:17:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199809230717.AAA06362@psf.Pinyon.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:59:24 MST." <11704.899261964@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:17:55 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lars Gerhard Kuehl said: > On 23-Sep-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> If this is where your > leadership is taking us then I think is time >> for you to relax and > find something else to do . > > Thank you for forwarding a private message to a public mailing list. > We can now add lack of etiquette to your other shortcomings as a human > being. > The format and contents of, at least, some of your private messages > braeks all privacy. Etiquette belongs to the things you should not > talk about. Hmm, it seems that Amancio is typing in text that looks for all the world like it is coming from a "generic cad", and Jordan is dutifully playing "Independent Counsel". Or is it the other way around? The only obvious fact is that it is godawful to read here. Video to follow? Russell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 00:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29716 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29703 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02477; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3608A539.B9BD103E@dal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:37:29 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0920 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter CC: rotel@indigo.ie, FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? References: <199809211827.OAA09675@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> <199809230009.UAA11487@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Drew Baxter wrote: > > At 12:49 AM 9/23/98 +0000, Niall Smart wrote: > > > >Personally I don't think IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is a bad idea, once you > >are sure you have the accept rules necessary to ensure your connectivity > >to the host you can pop in a deny all rule. This will probably be slower > >than defaulting to deny though. > --- > Hm, isn't default_to_accept still affected by ipfw flush? No it's not, that's one of the reasons the option was added. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 00:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29906 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29796 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18494 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:37:52 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07767; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:37:52 +0800 Message-Id: <199809230737.PAA07767@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Reading PCI card config registers et cetera Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:37:52 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Linux has a whole bunch of functions for reading the configuration registers of PCI cards and stuff that are nicely standardised. After a quick look through the various. PCI drivers I can't see anything similar for FreeBSD. Can anyone enlighten me if we have any such beast? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 00:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03349 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03861; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:56:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:56:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE In-Reply-To: <199809230351.FAA06139@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and What program do you use to read the audio tracks? Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 01:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05786 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05759 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.8.8/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 16077 on Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:05:05 GMT; id IAA16077 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16697; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:00:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199809230800.KAA16697@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: hasty's message of Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:05 -0700. <199809221603.JAA02141@rah.star-gate.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:00:15 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Neo-hacker bullshit response 8) > > > > Amancio, I think it's time for you to go. All the way gone, I mean. > > I don't think you're bringing *anything* productive to the project and > > every time you open your mouth, it seems like lots of people get upset > > (myself included). Your communication skills simply suck, which is OK > > in and of itself but not OK if you're trying to, well, communicate > > with people. Since you have no time to actually do any of the > > engineering work you keep calling for, there's also not much point in > > you bringing these things up though you continue to do so anyway. > > Please, for the sake of your blood pressure and the blood pressure of > > those around you, unsubscribe from the mailing lists, take your bag of > > cookies and GO. I can tell you that if you start one more fight like > > this in our mailing lists, I'll make this a non-option for you anyway > > so why not leave under your own power? You've worn out your welcome > > here. > > That's not what I saw, I was a bit surprised by John Polstra's reaction. But why must these always be blown out of proportion. If you don't like what either of you has to say, just ignore it, and then there will be no need to start abusing each other. Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 01:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05912 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA05803 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA06489; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:16:41 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809230616.IAA06489@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE To: abial@nask.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:16:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Andrzej Bialecki" at Sep 23, 98 09:55:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access > > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). > > > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and > > What program do you use to read the audio tracks? Soren's version of my version of Charles Henrich's (sp?) cdd (see Soren's ftp site sos.freebsd.org i think) cdd is the best audio reader i have found, the only one which does "jitter correction" (some drives do not need it but many do). luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 01:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09064 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manchester.genrad.com (x247.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09052 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swindellsr@genrad.co.uk) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809230827.BAA09052@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from CDP275.uk.genrad.com by manchester.genrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id RRCMGFW1; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:26:58 +0100 From: Robert Swindells To: mike@smith.net.au CC: skafte@worldgate.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199809230556.WAA00792@word.smith.net.au> (message from Mike Smith on Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:56:52 -0700) Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97 board. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> any thoughts what happened to bus 1 ..... >Sounds like a BIOS 'feature'. Try moving the cards into different >slots, particularly if you have them all together with the VGA card at >one end. Bus 1 is AGP. Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 01:42:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10810 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-86.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10763 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA03338; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: "Russell L. Carter" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: <199809230717.AAA06362@psf.Pinyon.ORG> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Russell L. Carter wrote: [...] > Hmm, it seems that Amancio is typing in text that looks for all the > world like it is coming from a "generic cad", and Jordan is dutifully > playing "Independent Counsel". Or is it the other way around? > > The only obvious fact is that it is godawful to read here. Nah, it sure beats reading about how much fondling of Monica went on. And god, I think I'm still going to be having nightmares about picturing that. > Video to follow? Perhaps like jwz, some time off (read: vacation) is in order. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 01:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12205 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12174 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA19394 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:21:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA15716; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:21:36 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980923182135.Z12701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:21:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Disk timeouts only during install newfs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just finished installing 2.2.6 on a not-completely-new Pentium machine with IDE disks. During the initial newfs, it had numerous DRQ timeouts on the drive (ready, seek_done) (no_dam). After fsck, the install ran with no problem, and fsck showed no problems. The machine appears to be OK. Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 02:12:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14995 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id RAA14160; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:11:10 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199809230911.RAA14160@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Martin Heller cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on the Intel-UNIX standard In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:55:46 +0200." Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:11:09 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Heller wrote: > Has anybody looked at the specs ?? > The some preliminary specs are available from > ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/pub/hp_stds/udi/docs.html > UDI will be a SOURCE CODE level (it's explicitly stated) compatible, not > BINARY (prove-of-concept prototype completed on 6 OS) Not exactly.. The source code compatability is across *all* unix architectures. Ie: the same driver should compile on sparc and on one of the i386 kernels. According to section 8, the binaries should be useable on all kernels with the same processor, calling conventions and file format. Ie: a binary for UDI under SCO unixware 7 should drop right in under Linux and FreeBSD *without recompiling*. This is in the "must" section of the design rules. It's been quoted elsewhere.. Going by what I saw, they might actually pull this off. An adaptec supplied UDI HBA for i386-elf will probably be able to work under our CAM system, the old SCSI system, Linux's scsi system, The Unixware 7 SCSI system and so on. The quality of the result will depend very much on the quality of the interface between the UDI driver (source or binary) and the rest of the OS. There's no doubt that a finely tuned native driver will work best though, but from what I've seen, it probably won't be by all that much unless it uses features not supported by the UDI interface. The specs looked pretty extensive, so it would be a hell of a challenge to implement it all. :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting "No coffee, No workee!" :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 02:35:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18636 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18616 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id RAA14233; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:20 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199809230934.RAA14233@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Studded cc: Drew Baxter , rotel@indigo.ie, FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:37:29 MST." <3608A539.B9BD103E@dal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:20 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded wrote: > Drew Baxter wrote: > > > > At 12:49 AM 9/23/98 +0000, Niall Smart wrote: > > > > > >Personally I don't think IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is a bad idea, once you > > >are sure you have the accept rules necessary to ensure your connectivity > > >to the host you can pop in a deny all rule. This will probably be slower > > >than defaulting to deny though. > > --- > > Hm, isn't default_to_accept still affected by ipfw flush? > > No it's not, that's one of the reasons the option was added. The other reason it's an option is because it's a tradeoff situation. An inclusive filter (ie: only explicitly allow defined packets) is compromised if an accident happens or somebody can make the box fall over and somehow not reload it's filters properly. With an exclusive strategy (eg: ISP, who is in the business of carrying data rather than dropping it), it's beneficial to have it open by default so that specific things can be filtered when and as needed without the risk of accidents closing everything down. Generally, accidently leaving the barn door open and everything running away generally is far worse than having to drive to fix the damn thing. "Generally" is the key. One policy doesn't always fit everybody perfectly, but having it this way seems the lesser of the evils. > Doug Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting "No coffee, No workee!" :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 02:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20662 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20602 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01764; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:45:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199809230945.LAA01764@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE In-Reply-To: from Andrzej Bialecki at "Sep 23, 98 09:56:18 am" To: abial@nask.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Andrzej Bialecki who wrote: > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access > > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). > > > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and > > What program do you use to read the audio tracks? You can use cdd, there is a ported version on: ftp://freebsd.dk/pub/ATAPI It should really be made a port before 3.0, but I'm tight on time.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end? .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 03:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25536 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (darren2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25527 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au) Received: (from root@localhost) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA16382; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:22:21 GMT Received: from avalon.reed.wattle.id.au(192.168.1.1) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au via smap (V1.3) id sma016380; Wed Sep 23 10:22:13 1998 Received: from percival.reed.wattle.id.au. (percival.reed.wattle.id.au [192.168.1.5]) by avalon.reed.wattle.id.au (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id UAA08005; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:22:04 +1000 (EST) From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <199809231022.UAA08005@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: kev@lab321.ru (Eugeny Kuzakov) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:22:03 +1000 (EST) Cc: darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eugeny Kuzakov" at Sep 23, 98 09:58:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some email I received from Eugeny Kuzakov, sie wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: > > > Another question. > > Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? > Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... > Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. > > Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. > I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. If it works with 3.0-anything, good luck. I gave up attempt to port IP Filter to FreeBSD-current ages ago because things changed too much. But then again, you might just be suffering from problems with 3.0 - I'm not even thinking of using FreeBSD-3 on any "critical systems" until I see a 3.1.1 (yes, 3.0 is that scary). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 03:26:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26075 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (darren2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25960 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au) Received: (from root@localhost) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA16388; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:25:23 GMT Received: from avalon.reed.wattle.id.au(192.168.1.1) by firewall.reed.wattle.id.au via smap (V1.3) id sma016386; Wed Sep 23 10:25:03 1998 Received: from percival.reed.wattle.id.au. (percival.reed.wattle.id.au [192.168.1.5]) by avalon.reed.wattle.id.au (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id UAA08010; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:23:47 +1000 (EST) From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <199809231023.UAA08010@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? To: kev@lab321.ru (Eugeny Kuzakov) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:23:46 +1000 (EST) Cc: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com, darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eugeny Kuzakov" at Sep 23, 98 11:00:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some email I received from Eugeny Kuzakov, sie wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > > > Yknow, that's a good question.. and I wish I knew the answer.. I haven't > > tried it yet. But I'm also only running 0804 as well. > What load of ipnat ? > On my server ipnat configuration dynamically changes after up/down ppp > links. I have 2 dedicated lines (33600,pppd 2.3.5), 1 dialin line, > 1 ethernet card with 2 aliases. > > My shell script generates following ipnat config: > > # just masquerade internal networks on ppp0... > map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 > map ppp0 192.168.6.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 > map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 > map ppp0 192.168.7.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 > map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 portmap udp 40000:60000 > map ppp0 192.168.8.0/24 -> 62.76.128.34/32 > > #below some lines for transparent proxing...3.0-980804 crashes w/o it even. > rdr fxp0 62.76.129.65/32 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 80 tcp > rdr fxp0 192.168.6.100/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.100 port 80 tcp > rdr fxp0 192.168.6.201/32 port 80 -> 192.168.6.201 port 80 tcp > rdr fxp0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> 62.76.129.65 port 8080 tcp > > I have not any hardware problems because I uses this machine 2 years with > 2.1.0-R,2.1.7.1-R,2.2-980806. > This it P100/64Mb/AIC7850 from Iwill(I don't remember motherboard id). > 3.0-0804 crashes on this machine IF I USES IPNAT. If not - works. My advice would be to use a stable version such as 2.2.7-RELEASE. Expect to bleed if you want to live on the edge :) Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 03:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28326 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28288 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA20767; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:42:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980923124232.A20756@cons.org> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:42:32 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: "Brian W. Buchanan" , Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vty lock References: <199809220806.BAA00624@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brian W. Buchanan on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 07:52:58AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In , Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I want to write a vty locking program similar in function to Linux's > > > vlock. Anyone have (partial?) code implementing something like this, or > > > have any pointers as to what I'd need to modify in the kernel to > > > facilitate this? > > > > What's wrong with /usr/bin/lock? > > I have to terminate or shell out of whatever I'm running at the moment on > each vty and run it, then enter my password 9 or 10 times when I return to > the console. > > Linux's vlock lets you specify -a to instantly lock ALL vtys, which is the > functionality I'm mainly looking for. Then why don't you add that option to our lock? Simplest solution would be to prevent the console driver from switching consoles, which could be done with a simple ioctl for syscons and pcvt. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 03:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29523 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29431 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA20777; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:49:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980923124940.B20756@cons.org> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:49:40 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Amancio Hasty , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness References: <24456.906422339@time.cdrom.com> <199809221603.JAA02141@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809221603.JAA02141@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 09:03:05AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG May I kindly (really) suggest that we postphone such things until a week or so after the release? Most of us are in "release mode", which mean we are currently much better in talking to our boxes than to other human beings. Most of us, just more or less. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 04:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05485 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA05480 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 118 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 11:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.1) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 11:14:10 -0000 Message-ID: <3608D85C.1F4D509@pipeline.ch> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:15:40 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo CC: Andrzej Bialecki , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE References: <199809230616.IAA06489@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access > > > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). > > > > > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and > > > > What program do you use to read the audio tracks? > > Soren's version of my version of Charles Henrich's (sp?) cdd (see > Soren's ftp site sos.freebsd.org i think) > > cdd is the best audio reader i have found, the only one which does > "jitter correction" (some drives do not need it but many do). What is "jitter correction"? -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 04:32:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07587 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.esat.net (relay.esat.net [192.111.39.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07570 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nialls@euristix.ie) Received: from (euristix.ie) [193.120.210.2] by relay.esat.net with esmtp id 0zLn9i-0005yo-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:32:22 +0100 Received: by gateway.euristix.ie id <19713>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:30:42 +0100 Message-Id: <98Sep23.123042bst.19713@gateway.euristix.ie> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:10:38 +0100 From: Niall Smart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: nialls@euristix.ie Subject: Quick code style question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was adding support for an environment variable which specifies an alternate /etc/services file for getservent() et al when I noticed that netdb.h exports a private interface used internally in libc: /* * PRIVATE functions specific to the FreeBSD implementation */ /* DO NOT USE THESE, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND ARE NOT PORTABLE!!! */ void _sethosthtent __P((int)); void _endhosthtent __P((void)); void _sethostdnsent __P((int)); [snip] Surely it would be much better if these were either protected by a _NETDB_INTERNAL_ macro or moved into a separate header in lib/libc/net. Which of these two is preferable? Regards, Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 04:38:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08368 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08308 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4038.ime.net [209.90.195.48]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12200; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:36:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231136.HAA12200@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:35:59 -0400 To: Mike Smith , Greg Skafte From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97 board. Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809230556.WAA00792@word.smith.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:56 PM 9/22/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> I'm currently in the proccess of replacing a tekram 430Tx motherboard >> with a ASUS P2L97 (440LX ) motherboard. >> >> Currently installed on the tekram is >> >> IDE controler PCI Bus0 >> PCI vga card PCI Bus0 >> multiport NIC PCI Bus1 >> multiport NIC PCI Bus2 >> miltiport NIC PCI Bus3 >> >> works like a charm very happy .... >> >> Went to install the _Exact_ components from the 430tx board to install on >> the ASUS board and get >> >> IDE controller PCI Bus0 >> PCI vga card PCI Bus0 >> multiport NIC PCI Bus2 >> multiport NIC PCI Bus3 >> multiport NIC PCI Bus4 >> >> made me go hmmmm..... PCI Bus4 ...... hmmm ... and guess what the card on >> bus 4 is not a happy camper..... it not work .... FreeBSD detected everything >> fine .... but the device on Bus4 is unhappy ..... >> >> any thoughts what happened to bus 1 ..... > >Sounds like a BIOS 'feature'. Try moving the cards into different >slots, particularly if you have them all together with the VGA card at >one end. > Couldn't it be one of those PCI Slave sockets too? --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 05:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15178 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15171 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id OAA22072; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:16:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980923141618.A21991@cons.org> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:16:18 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Niall Smart , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quick code style question. References: <98Sep23.123042bst.19713@gateway.euristix.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <98Sep23.123042bst.19713@gateway.euristix.ie>; from Niall Smart on Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 11:10:38AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <98Sep23.123042bst.19713@gateway.euristix.ie>, Niall Smart wrote: > Hi, > > I was adding support for an environment variable which specifies an > alternate /etc/services file for getservent() et al when I noticed > that netdb.h exports a private interface used internally in libc: > > /* > * PRIVATE functions specific to the FreeBSD implementation > */ > > /* DO NOT USE THESE, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND ARE NOT PORTABLE!!! */ > void _sethosthtent __P((int)); > void _endhosthtent __P((void)); > void _sethostdnsent __P((int)); > [snip] > > Surely it would be much better if these were either protected by a > _NETDB_INTERNAL_ macro or moved into a separate header in lib/libc/net. > Which of these two is preferable? Not speaking for the FreeBSD project and not commenting on your getservent() changes, I think the macros would do. The amount of information for the new header file is small and it would be consistent with #ifdef KERNEL in sys/ and machine/. FreeBSD generally doesn't use sperate header files for private information. On the technical side, the macro solution is also better because it easily supports more than two levels of visibility and it is easy to raise or lower the level of visibilty from inside another header file or on the compiler command line. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 05:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19966 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (gw.sparks.net [209.222.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA19935 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0zLoTQ-0004Sm-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:56:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: To: RPD cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem In-Reply-To: <3640D0DB.F5E1552F@distance.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, RPD wrote: > David, > > Did you buy new memory also?. If so try swaping the memory from your > K6/200 machine into your K6/300. I have had problems pertaining to ones > you have listed below due to bad memory. It's a whole new machine. 2 128 MB PC100 ECC dimms. Update: it seems to work fine if I slow the bus rate from 100 MHz to 83. Underclocking rules in this case:( --- David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 06:14:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22959 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ics.com (ics.com [140.186.40.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22950 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaleb@ics.com) Received: from ics.com (sunoco.ics.com [140.186.40.142]) by ics.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id JAA16028 Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3608F436.5FBEC0A1@ics.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:14:30 -0400 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hmm, it seems that Amancio is typing ... I hope this doesn't mean that Amancio's -- in a fit of pique -- is going to pull a DeRaadt and form Yet-Another-BSD. Please tell me that won't happen. -- Kaleb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 06:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23405 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23399 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from violet.ezo.net (violet.ezo.net [206.102.130.133]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23954; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jim Flowers" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde6f4$ff85a800$858266ce@violet.ezo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well I don't think it really has anything to do with mci/c&w. Nobody, including the top levels claims an authoritative record for www.bxa.doc.gov and only one of the doc.gov nameservers even has a non-authoratative record. (One of your nameservers has a non-authoratative cached record the other one doesn't. As soon as it times out you won't have a record either.) I think the problem is that bxa has changed their server host and hasn't setup a new www record and, not having used a CNAME record strategy, it's toast. Good argument for indirection. 207.96.70.148 is redirected to 207.96.11.93. All those cached search-engine references are invalid until they get their dns records up to date. MCI may not be great but this one doesn't look like theirs. I appreciate the lead. I can now get the information I so badly need. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bryant To: Jim Flowers Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 2:37 AM Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) >personally i would call the cable&wireless/mci noc, and tell them to >fix their f*****g nameservers, but be sure to check your root file >first, as your domain shows that you handle your own dns, also try >flushing your dns cache. > >in the meantime, i guess mci customers can use: > >http://207.96.70.148 >[which is http://www.bxa.doc.gov] > >and the relevant page covering the new encryption policy is [follow >the link marked encryption from the main bxa page]: > >http://207.96.11.93/Encryption/Default.htm#WHDocs >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 06:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24016 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (gw.sparks.net [209.222.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24010 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0zLosi-0004U8-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:22:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Drew Baxter cc: Eugeny Kuzakov , Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809230405.AAA11679@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > I was referring to the IPFilter thing namely.. that caught my eye in the > kernel config script.. > > Have you ever thought about using natd or gated? I think you may actually > find better results. > > I can't remeber if gated can do NAT, but I remember I could do it with the > proxy option in the user-level PPP.. gated just implements various routing protocols such as RIP, OSPF, and BGP. It installs/deletes routes in the kernel based on messages from other routers. Gated doesn't do any form of NAT. --- David Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 06:33:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25094 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p72.tfs.net [139.146.210.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25048 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) id IAA11243; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:32:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199809231332.IAA11243@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: from Alex at "Sep 23, 98 01:43:39 am" To: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:32:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 20 11:57:05 CDT 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Russell L. Carter wrote: > [...] > > Hmm, it seems that Amancio is typing in text that looks for all the > > world like it is coming from a "generic cad", and Jordan is dutifully > > playing "Independent Counsel". Or is it the other way around? > > > > The only obvious fact is that it is godawful to read here. > > Nah, it sure beats reading about how much fondling of Monica went on. And > god, I think I'm still going to be having nightmares about picturing that. > > > Video to follow? > > Perhaps like jwz, some time off (read: vacation) is in order. jordan? should i respond, with say the Oct 12, 1997 reuters news article of how Newt likes to get his from his campign worker's wives, as told straight from the mouths of his campaign workers. i've got a whole directory full of republican misdeeds that have gone unpunished that i can post, if this is the direction this thread is going to take. the point is that i am making is that this has nothing to do with freebsd. this is not the place for this... please take this trash to alt.hypocrite.republicans jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 07:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06951 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06925 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06096; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:14:30 EDT." <3608F436.5FBEC0A1@ics.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <6091.906561859@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I hope this doesn't mean that Amancio's -- in a fit of pique -- is going > to pull a DeRaadt and form Yet-Another-BSD. > > Please tell me that won't happen. Um. Cough. I think we're letting paranoia get the better of us just a little bit here now. :-) Assuming that Amancio even had the time to go start another *BSD, and I don't think he's so foolish as to want to give up that much of his life in any case, there's a world of difference between somebody splintering away from the core group of NetBSD after a protracted battle for control of one of their architecture ports and Amancio and I shouting at one another in -hackers. For one thing, Amancio and I have been shouting at one another on and off for at least 4 years now and it's been both better and worse at various times. Amancio also isn't a member of core or even a FreeBSD committer at the moment so there isn't exactly a large emotional investment at risk here, certainly not enough to want to go start a whole new BSD just to be able to say "foo!" to the other BSDs. It generally takes something a bit more substantial, like a Sparc port, to make one want to go do something like that. :) In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. Nor is he Elvis. The black helicopters are not coming for you, Kaleb, and you can go back to sleep. ;-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 07:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07358 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06122; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net cc: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:32:21 CDT." <199809231332.IAA11243@unix.tfs.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:46:09 -0700 Message-ID: <6119.906561969@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > jordan? > > should i respond, with say the Oct 12, 1997 reuters news article of > how Newt likes to get his from his campign worker's wives, as told > straight from the mouths of his campaign workers. Let's not and just _say_ we did. :) I don't think we need to get any weirder with this thread than we already, erm, are. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 08:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16625 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16600 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id JAA22485; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:42:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199809231542.JAA22485@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Reading PCI card config registers et cetera In-Reply-To: <199809230737.PAA07767@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth at "Sep 23, 98 03:37:52 pm" To: shocking@prth.pgs.com (Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote... > Linux has a whole bunch of functions for reading the configuration registers > of PCI cards and stuff that are nicely standardised. After a quick look > through the various. PCI drivers I can't see anything similar for FreeBSD. Can > anyone enlighten me if we have any such beast? Do you mean from kernel drivers or from userland? For userland, it's called pciconf. For instance: # pciconf -r pci0:9:0 0x00 0x12298086 # pciconf -r pci0:9:0 0x04 0x02900017 You can write registers as well with the -w option. >From kernel drivers, you can use pci_cfgread() or pci_conf_read(). Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 09:15:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21696 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21674 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09914; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:14:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: david@sparks.net cc: RPD , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 david@sparks.net wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, RPD wrote: > > > David, > > > > Did you buy new memory also?. If so try swaping the memory from your > > K6/200 machine into your K6/300. I have had problems pertaining to ones > > you have listed below due to bad memory. > > > It's a whole new machine. 2 128 MB PC100 ECC dimms. > > Update: it seems to work fine if I slow the bus rate from 100 MHz to 83. > Underclocking rules in this case:( You may have a flakey DIMM. Try removing one... test... then the other. If it workes properly with one installed, the other is flakey. The /300 doesn't run very hot, but check the temperature anyway -- It could be that too. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 09:22:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23159 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles154.castles.com [208.214.165.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23095 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03990; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809231627.JAA03990@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Disk timeouts only during install newfs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:21:35 +0930." <19980923182135.Z12701@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:27:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've just finished installing 2.2.6 on a not-completely-new Pentium > machine with IDE disks. During the initial newfs, it had numerous DRQ > timeouts on the drive (ready, seek_done) (no_dam). After fsck, the > install ran with no problem, and fsck showed no problems. The machine > appears to be OK. > > Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas? Sounds like the disk might have spent a lot of time forwarding bad sectors. I'd want to at least dd over the entire disk before trusting it for active use. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 09:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25082 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25037 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (tao.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11911; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA10993; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <199809231631.JAA10993@tao.thought.org> Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: <199809230800.KAA16697@bowtie.nl> from Marc van Kempen at "Sep 23, 98 10:00:15 am" To: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Marc van Kempen: > [[ BS += more BS ]] > > > That's not what I saw, I was a bit surprised by John Polstra's reaction. > > But why must these always be blown out of proportion. > If you don't like what either of you has to say, just ignore it, and then > there will be no need to start abusing each other. > > Marc. > Yup. The flame of utter silence has the worst burn-- especially in these kinds of screaming-kicking exchanges. gary > -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 09:38:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26589 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26535 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA19006; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980923103751.B18931@worldgate.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:37:51 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97 board. References: <19980922184601.D7279@worldgate.com> <199809230556.WAA00792@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809230556.WAA00792@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 10:56:52PM -0700 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tried that .... just so everyone knows the ASUS p2l97 is an AGP motherboard with 5 PCI 2 isa 1 APG (1PCI and isa are shared). Slot 1 shares its IRQ with the AGP Slot. Slot 4 and 5 share an IRQ and Asus recommends that a PCI video go into slot 5 ( the shared isa slot). I know know that the AGP slot is stealing PCI Bus one (thanks Robert ), and I've also tried flashing the board to the latest bios rev (1005 from 1002) still now luck.... I've been trying to hunt down the maximum number of bridges that can be in one machine ..... one of the intel notes say for but I don't remember for which bridge chip I saw that on. Quoting Mike Smith (mike@smith.net.au) On Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97 board. Date: Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 10:56:52PM -0700 > > I'm currently in the proccess of replacing a tekram 430Tx motherboard > > with a ASUS P2L97 (440LX ) motherboard. > > > > Currently installed on the tekram is > > > > IDE controler PCI Bus0 > > PCI vga card PCI Bus0 > > multiport NIC PCI Bus1 > > multiport NIC PCI Bus2 > > miltiport NIC PCI Bus3 > > > > works like a charm very happy .... > > > > Went to install the _Exact_ components from the 430tx board to install on > > the ASUS board and get > > > > IDE controller PCI Bus0 > > PCI vga card PCI Bus0 > > multiport NIC PCI Bus2 > > multiport NIC PCI Bus3 > > multiport NIC PCI Bus4 > > > > made me go hmmmm..... PCI Bus4 ...... hmmm ... and guess what the card on > > bus 4 is not a happy camper..... it not work .... FreeBSD detected everything > > fine .... but the device on Bus4 is unhappy ..... > > > > any thoughts what happened to bus 1 ..... > > Sounds like a BIOS 'feature'. Try moving the cards into different > slots, particularly if you have them all together with the VGA card at > one end. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 09:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00235 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00203 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17912 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: <199809231332.IAA11243@unix.tfs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Sent only to the list because it is not directed at any one person or persons - Mr. Bryant's quote is included merely because it was the last post in this thread I'd currently received.) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jim Bryant wrote: > i've got a whole directory full of republican misdeeds that have gone > unpunished that i can post, if this is the direction this thread is > going to take. Since when is this a political debate? Throwing political opinions around on a list that has nothing to do with politics is nothing more than producing flame bait. *sigh* The only useful quotes from the last 1-2/3's of this thread have been '[snip]' (i.e. - what was left out in replies). As has already been pointed out, this turned into a personal argument (which is of no use to FreeBSD) long ago. Perhaps one other good thing came out of this... I noticed a suggestion to 'ignore' posts when your only response is going to be non-productive bashing... this seems to be a lesson many have yet to learn, maybe this thread will educate a few. -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 10:08:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02314 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ics.com (ics.com [140.186.40.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02262 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaleb@ics.com) Received: from ics.com (sunoco.ics.com [140.186.40.142]) by ics.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id NAA11157 Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36092AE8.C7809ED0@ics.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:52 -0400 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness References: <6091.906561859@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I hope this doesn't mean that Amancio's -- in a fit of pique -- is going > > to pull a DeRaadt and form Yet-Another-BSD. > > > > Please tell me that won't happen. > > Um. Cough. I think we're letting paranoia get the better of us just > a little bit here now. :-) Paranoid? Me? What would I have to be paranoid about. > In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. Yes. I agree it'd take a lot of work to be as bad as Theo. > Nor is he Elvis. The black > helicopters are not coming for you, Kaleb, Hmmh. You aren't looking out the same window I am. > and you can go back to sleep. ;-) Oh, so that's what I was doing? :-) -- Kaleb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 10:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06122 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06116 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (tao.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14266 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id KAA11100 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <199809231726.KAA11100@tao.thought.org> Subject: Internationalization volunteers.... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers Mailing List) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, world, So far the internationalization project is off to a good start. We've got people in the DE, ES, and FR locales (at a minimum) working on translating the utility message files. Since there are many bin, usr.bin, sbin, and usr.sbin utilities, the more interested participants, the better. I'm taking care of the guts of the i18n stuff. This includes modifying the Makefiles, creating the nls/ tree with its message files, and modifying the *.c files so that the messages can work correctly. I've already demonstrated several of the utilities so far to prove the initial concept. Automation tools and help from a number in the international community have proven another 8 or 10. To date 30-some utilitites are ready to go. I'm aiming the completed task to be acceptable to the entire BSD community, Free, Net, and OpenBSD...and beyond that, for anyone else in the open-source effort. Right now I'm looking for someone to translate 5 or 6 message files from English into German. Interested? drop a line. thanks, gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 10:35:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07805 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07785 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b_jenkins@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980923173613.16462.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.206.246.46] by send103.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:36:13 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Jenkins Subject: PCMCIA Controller Not Found To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 and PAO-980430 on a single board computer with a PCMCIA add-on board. The PCMCIA controller chip is a Cirrus Logic CL-PD6730, but the PCI code is not finding it. I have included the dmesg output below. How can I change the PCI code or my configuration to get it working? Brian Jenkins b_jenkins@yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE #7: Mon Sep 21 14:07:29 CDT 1998 root@x.y.z:/usr/src/sys/compile/MNA Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193827 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CPU: AMD Am5x86 Write-Back (486-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x4f4 Stepping=4 Features=0x1 real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00263000 - 0x01ffdfff, 31043584 bytes (7579 pages) avail memory = 30437376 (29724K bytes) Initializing PC-card drivers: aic ep wlp sio spc wdc ncv stg pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x8000000c pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x00000001 (0x80000000) pcibus_check: device 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 -- nothing found pcibus_setup(1b): mode1res=0x80000000 (0xff000001) pcibus_check: device 0 is there (id=148910b9) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 0 class 60000 on pci0:0:0 vga0 rev 198 class 30000 on pci0:8:0 mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fb000000 size=1000000. pci0: uses 16777216 bytes of memory from fb000000 upto fbffffff. Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0065 kbdio: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdio: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: BIOS video mode:3 sc0: VGA registers upon power-up 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: video mode:24 sc0: VGA registers in BIOS for mode:24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: VGA registers to be used for mode:24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: rows_offset:1 sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 not found at 0x3e8 sio3: disabled, not probed. sio4: disabled, not probed. lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface bpf: lp0 attached lpt1 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 on isa psm0: current command byte:0065 kbdio: TEST_AUX_PORT status:ffffffff kbdio: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdio: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 psm0: the aux port is not functioning (-1). psm0 not found at 0x60 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 80MB (163840 sectors), 640 cyls, 8 heads, 32 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 31MB (64000 sectors), 500 cyls, 8 heads, 16 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 not found at 0x170 aic0 not found at 0x340 spc0 not found at 0x320 ncv0 not found at 0x320 stg0 not found at 0x320 cnw0 not found at 0x300 ep0 not found at 0x300 wlp0 not found at 0x300 Checking slot 0. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 1. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 2. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 3. PCIC ID = 0xff pcic0 not found at 0x3e0 Checking slot 4. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 5. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 6. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 7. PCIC ID = 0xff pcic1 not found at 0x3e2 Checking slot 4. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 5. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 6. PCIC ID = 0xff Checking slot 7. PCIC ID = 0xff pcic1 not found at 0x3e4 npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0 not found imasks: bio c0004040, tty c003009a, net c003009a BIOS Geometries: 0:027e0720 0..638=639 cylinders, 0..7=8 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 1:01f20710 0..498=499 cylinders, 0..7=8 heads, 1..16=16 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Considering FFS root f/s. changing root device to wd0s1a configure() finished. bpf: tun0 attached bpf: sl0 attached bpf: lo0 attached wd0s1: type 0xa5, start 32, end = 163839, size 163808 : OK wd1s1: type 0xa5, start 16, end = 63999, size 63984 : OK _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 10:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08948 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from locutus.adm.rl.af.mil (LOCUTUS.ADM.RL.AF.MIL [128.132.129.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08892 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greenc@rl.af.mil) Received: from rl.af.mil (ADONIS.IWT.RL.AF.MIL [128.132.46.33]) by locutus.adm.rl.af.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08210; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36093162.7984FC9@rl.af.mil> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:35:30 -0400 From: Charles Green Organization: Litton PRC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david@sparks.net CC: RPD , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I understand it, AMD has shipped 2 versions of the AMD K6-2 300. The earlier chips had a 66Mhz external bus (66*4.5) and the newer chips (since July 98) use a 100Mhz external bus (100*3). I beleive it's mentioned somewhere in the FAQ for the VA503+ at FIC's web site (http://www.fic.com.tw). david@sparks.net wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, RPD wrote: > > > David, > > > > Did you buy new memory also?. If so try swaping the memory from your > > K6/200 machine into your K6/300. I have had problems pertaining to ones > > you have listed below due to bad memory. > > It's a whole new machine. 2 128 MB PC100 ECC dimms. > > Update: it seems to work fine if I slow the bus rate from 100 MHz to 83. > Underclocking rules in this case:( > > --- David > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when > one doesn't know what one can't do! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:05:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12802 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12787 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA07726 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:17:08 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809231617.SAA07726@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Booting from NT ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:17:07 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager would do but i doubt i can load it!) thanks luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14572 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14552 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29438 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:48:45 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA00366 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:48:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199809231748.TAA00366@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Kingston 10/100mbit card has problems with ENET ROM? To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:48:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I have a Kingston 10/100 PCI enet card in my Asus T2P4. Normally it probes like: de0 rev 34 int a irq 14 on pci0:9:0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:c0:f0:30:41:fb But sometimes: Sep 23 19:33:26 yedi /kernel: de0 rev 34 int a ir q 14 on pci0:9:0 Sep 23 19:33:26 yedi /kernel: de0: can't find phy 0 Sep 23 19:33:26 yedi /kernel: de0: can't read ENET ROM (why=-4) (462601000000000 000000000000000006b00030100c0f03041fb001e00000008 Sep 23 19:33:26 yedi /kernel: de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 Sep 23 19:33:26 yedi /kernel: de0: address unknown So, from looking in the driver I learned two things: - detecting/reading the MAC address is a black art (the driver comments are pretty clear ;-) - maybe somebody already fixed this problem. This is 2.2.6R by the way. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15168 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15140 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12501; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:19:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231819.OAA12501@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:18:42 -0400 To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Hackers From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Disk timeouts only during install newfs? In-Reply-To: <19980923182135.Z12701@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have, but it was due to a defective Western Digital AC12000 Drive.. I.e. it has bad sectors on it and I forgot to route around them.. At 06:21 PM 9/23/98 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >I've just finished installing 2.2.6 on a not-completely-new Pentium >machine with IDE disks. During the initial newfs, it had numerous DRQ >timeouts on the drive (ready, seek_done) (no_dam). After fsck, the >install ran with no problem, and fsck showed no problems. The machine >appears to be OK. > >Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas? > >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15735 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15693 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12508; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231821.OAA12508@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:20:35 -0400 To: Peter Wemm , Studded From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: rotel@indigo.ie, FreeBSD Hackers In-Reply-To: <199809230934.RAA14233@spinner.netplex.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sure I agree with that.. But we're a school.. There's only 2 types of classes we should have accessing the box... Me, and the school end. So our IPFW works with nothing active, then goes and allows my block, the schools block, and then everyone else is just 25, 80, or 113.. 113 being identd if I recall, 80 for web, and 25 for the mail transactions. I think 53 is thrown in there too to allow for the DNS services.. But maybe the Secondary DNS is the handler. At 05:34 PM 9/23/98 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: >Studded wrote: >> Drew Baxter wrote: >> > >> > At 12:49 AM 9/23/98 +0000, Niall Smart wrote: >> > > >> > >Personally I don't think IPFW_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is a bad idea, once you >> > >are sure you have the accept rules necessary to ensure your connectivity >> > >to the host you can pop in a deny all rule. This will probably be slower >> > >than defaulting to deny though. >> > --- >> > Hm, isn't default_to_accept still affected by ipfw flush? >> >> No it's not, that's one of the reasons the option was added. > >The other reason it's an option is because it's a tradeoff situation. An >inclusive filter (ie: only explicitly allow defined packets) is compromised >if an accident happens or somebody can make the box fall over and somehow >not reload it's filters properly. > >With an exclusive strategy (eg: ISP, who is in the business of carrying >data rather than dropping it), it's beneficial to have it open by default >so that specific things can be filtered when and as needed without the >risk of accidents closing everything down. > >Generally, accidently leaving the barn door open and everything running >away generally is far worse than having to drive to fix the damn thing. > >"Generally" is the key. One policy doesn't always fit everybody perfectly, >but having it this way seems the lesser of the evils. > >> Doug > >Cheers, >-Peter >-- >Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting >"No coffee, No workee!" :-) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16048 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15950 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12512; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:22:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231822.OAA12512@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:22:23 -0400 To: Darren Reed , kev@lab321.ru (Eugeny Kuzakov) From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809231022.UAA08005@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm rather happy with 3.0.. But I wouldn't dream of running it without the binary compatibility for 2.2 installed.. :-) At 08:22 PM 9/23/98 +1000, Darren Reed wrote: >In some email I received from Eugeny Kuzakov, sie wrote: >> >> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Darren Reed wrote: >> >> >> Another question. >> >> Is ipfilter fixed in -current (3.0-beta) ? >> Last tryed 3.0-980804-SNAP... >> Just crashes while usage ipnat after some time. >> >> Now I uses 2.2-980806 with ipfilter 3.2.9 - no problems. >> I can not game with debug(and etc) on production server. > >If it works with 3.0-anything, good luck. I gave up attempt to port >IP Filter to FreeBSD-current ages ago because things changed too much. > >But then again, you might just be suffering from problems with 3.0 - >I'm not even thinking of using FreeBSD-3 on any "critical systems" >until I see a 3.1.1 (yes, 3.0 is that scary). > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16489 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16452 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:26:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12519; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:26:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231826.OAA12519@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:25:41 -0400 To: Andre Oppermann , Luigi Rizzo From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3608D85C.1F4D509@pipeline.ch> References: <199809230616.IAA06489@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jitter correction is for the crappy (older) CD-ROMs.. Some sort of a thing about the lens jittering during use that can cause problems with generating files in RAW mode. Basically, it removes the problem.. I don't know the logistics of the code or anything, but it doesnt seem to make problems with my newer scsi drives to just 'leave it enabled'.. At 01:15 PM 9/23/98 +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote: >Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> >> > > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access >> > > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). >> > > >> > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and >> > >> > What program do you use to read the audio tracks? >> >> Soren's version of my version of Charles Henrich's (sp?) cdd (see >> Soren's ftp site sos.freebsd.org i think) >> >> cdd is the best audio reader i have found, the only one which does >> "jitter correction" (some drives do not need it but many do). > >What is "jitter correction"? > >-- >Andre > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17100 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17005 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zLtfj-0001Dq-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:29:51 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA22650; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809231830.MAA22650@harmony.village.org> To: Don Lewis Subject: Re: The inetd realloc problem: an observation Cc: Graham Wheeler , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:39 PDT." <199809222259.PAA19262@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> References: <199809222259.PAA19262@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:30:06 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199809222259.PAA19262@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Don Lewis writes: : I thought of a more elegant way of handling the timeout problem. Before : starting the select loop, create a pipe. Add the fd of the read end of the : pipe to the list of descriptors passed to select. In each of the signal : handlers, write a single character to the pipe in addition to setting the : flag. When select indicates that the pipe has data to read, block : the signals that have handlers, read a character from the pipe, test : and clear each of the flags, execute the appropriate code for each flag, : and unblock signals. We used this in OI to implement a "safe" signal callback. Since we already had a select loop, we just addedt his pipe to the loop. We registered signal handlers and when the signal came in, we'd write the signal number to this pipe. When the select fired, we knew it was a "safe" time to do anything at all, so we called the user's callback. This worked well on all systems that we tested from FreeBSD to Solaris to IRIX. We didn't bother blocking the signals since we didn't care if the signal came in 10 times or once, since we'd have 10 callbacks or one for the user. This worked really well for things like SIGIO and SIGCHLD which the user wanted to catch. Since all we were doing in the signal handler was writing a single byte with a WRITE call, this was safe and portable. I can't take credit for thinking of this. One of the OI users at bbn (later at centerline) sent us this suggestiong back in early 1991 or so. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17184 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17070 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12524; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809231829.OAA12524@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:28:36 -0400 To: From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? Cc: Eugeny Kuzakov , Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809230405.AAA11679@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That answers my question :-).. Since I can get as many IPS as I want for no cost I don't have to use any sort of Ip Masquerading.. Maybe sometime I will dive into playing with NAT for some insight.. Wasn't there a copy of a NATin the 3.0 list of ports? I think I saw one when installing 980804.. At 09:22 AM 9/23/98 -0400, david@sparks.net wrote: >On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> I was referring to the IPFilter thing namely.. that caught my eye in the >> kernel config script.. >> >> Have you ever thought about using natd or gated? I think you may actually >> find better results. >> >> I can't remeber if gated can do NAT, but I remember I could do it with the >> proxy option in the user-level PPP.. > >gated just implements various routing protocols such as RIP, OSPF, and >BGP. It installs/deletes routes in the kernel based on messages from >other routers. Gated doesn't do any form of NAT. > >--- David Miller > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when > one doesn't know what one can't do! > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 11:45:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20122 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20097 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zLtuE-0001EJ-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:44:50 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA22831 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809231845.MAA22831@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:35:14 +0200." References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Without comment on the specifics of this discussion, I'd like to remind the reading public that within two months of a major release, traditionally most everyone's tempers get short and things that are tolerated and acceptable at other times are met with flames and much consternation. I would suggest that now is not the time to get into doom and gloom discussions over how good/bad some one/idea/thing is to the FreeBSD project and concentrate on making 3.0 as good a release as we can. Once 3.0 is out, and the pressure is off for a while, revisiting the things that seemed to be so irritating now would likely put them in a more reasonable light. Personal attacks, flame wars and the like should be done in private, if they must be done at all. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 12:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23563 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.easystreet.com (easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23539 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ctapang@easystreet.com) Received: from apex (dial-35-217.easystreet.com [206.103.35.217]) by mail.easystreet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01199 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008201bde72d$c20cb840$0d787880@apex> From: "Carlos C. Tapang" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 12:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26677 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26654 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from ivy.ezo.net (ivy.ezo.net [206.150.211.171]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02723; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901bde728$60ed1460$abd396ce@ivy.ezo.net> From: "Jim Flowers" To: "Luigi Rizzo" , Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:28:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG NTLDR works well with FreeBSD multiple-boot but you will have to boot it in a DOS partition that can also be shared with DOS and Win95/98. Essentially install FreeBSD, dd a snapshot of the boot/partition sector into a file that then gets moved into the DOS partition and is referenced by the menu selection lines at startup. Can mix with Linux (LILO) and I suppose now OpenBSD and I believe across drives. Both MS and fbsd sites have tech articles with step-by-step. -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Rizzo To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 2:52 PM Subject: Booting from NT ? >Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that >fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... > >I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a >FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an >NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager >would do but i doubt i can load it!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 12:39:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29683 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29667 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA272675572; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:46:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet/traffic shapper ? In-Reply-To: <199809231829.OAA12524@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > Since I can get as many IPS as I want for no cost I don't have to use any > sort of Ip Masquerading.. Maybe sometime I will dive into playing with NAT > for some insight.. Lucky. > Wasn't there a copy of a NATin the 3.0 list of ports? I think I saw one > when installing 980804.. NAT is not a port, you can find the source in /usr/src/usr.sbin/natd. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 12:48:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01339 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01226; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809231952.MAA01226@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:17:07 +0200." <199809231617.SAA07726@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:52:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that > fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... Not from under NT, no. > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > would do but i doubt i can load it!) Not really. Can you use a floppy? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 12:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02408 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02403 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id DAA16761; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:55:08 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199809231955.DAA16761@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:52 -0400." <36092AE8.C7809ED0@ics.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:55:07 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > > > I hope this doesn't mean that Amancio's -- in a fit of pique -- is going > > > to pull a DeRaadt and form Yet-Another-BSD. > > > > > > Please tell me that won't happen. > > > > Um. Cough. I think we're letting paranoia get the better of us just > > a little bit here now. :-) > > Paranoid? Me? What would I have to be paranoid about. > > > In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. > > Yes. I agree it'd take a lot of work to be as bad as Theo. I really don't want to get into an argument, but I don't think that's particularly fair. Lets face it, The three *BSD groups are basically three groups of people who have different (enough) goals, interests and methods. The three groups just don't really get on well together and things get rough when toes start getting stepped on. Whenever the mudslinging dies down, we start getting code sharing, people co-habitating multiple groups at once, etc without things getting too strained. This all goes out the window every time somebody starts a public fight that gets personal, and when the dust has settled we discover we're right back to square one and the only winners are the Linux and Microsoft type folks. We all have our personality quirks that we have to work around. Lets end this here, let things cool down a bit and see what can be salvaged before it gets really ugly. Cheers, -Peter (Personal opinion and observations, not that of core!!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04976 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04969 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03628; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809232014.NAA03628@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Drew Baxter cc: Andre Oppermann , Luigi Rizzo , Andrzej Bialecki , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:25:41 EDT." <199809231826.OAA12519@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:14:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Jitter correction is for the crappy (older) CD-ROMs.. Some sort of a thing > about the lens jittering during use that can cause problems with generating > files in RAW mode. > > Basically, it removes the problem.. I don't know the logistics of the code > or anything, but it doesnt seem to make problems with my newer scsi drives > to just 'leave it enabled'.. Jitter correction has to do with fixing up the raw audio data, it has nothing to do with the digital side of things. "len jitter" wouldn't affect the audio data - when a bit comes off the disk it's either a 1 or a 0, and it either passes the DRS check or it's fixed if it's wrong. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:15:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05151 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.plaut.de (ns.plaut.de [194.39.177.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05146 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Received: from totum.plaut.de (totum.plaut.de [194.39.177.9]) by ns.plaut.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14496; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:15:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by totum.plaut.de (8.8.7/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA04680; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:15:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nihil.plaut.de (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00817; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:14:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:14:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Reifenberger To: Brian Jenkins cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA Controller Not Found In-Reply-To: <19980923173613.16462.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Brian Jenkins wrote: ... > Cirrus Logic CL-PD6730, but the PCI code is not finding it. I have > included the dmesg output below. How can I change the PCI code or my > configuration to get it working? The first patch is in fact a noop to print the current ioaddr which gets hardcoded into the second one. Was too lazy... Index: pci/pcic_p.c =================================================================== RCS file: /mnt/CVS/src/sys/pci/pcic_p.c,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -1 -r1.6 pcic_p.c --- pcic_p.c 1998/08/18 00:32:48 1.6 +++ pcic_p.c 1998/08/21 20:24:53 @@ -92,4 +92,8 @@ u_long pcic_type; /* The vendor id of the PCI pcic */ +u_long pcic_pci_ioaddr; pcic_type = pci_conf_read(config_id, PCI_ID_REG); + pcic_pci_ioaddr = pci_conf_read( config_id, PCI_MAP_REG_START) & ~PCI_MAP_IO; + pci_conf_write( config_id, PCI_COMMAND_STATUS_REG, 0x00ff00ff); +printf("ioaddr:%x\n",pcic_pci_ioaddr); Index: pccard/pcic.c =================================================================== RCS file: /mnt/CVS/src/sys/pccard/pcic.c,v retrieving revision 1.62 diff -u -1 -r1.62 pcic.c --- pcic.c 1998/08/25 22:46:44 1.62 +++ pcic.c 1998/08/30 21:28:46 @@ -55,2 +55,3 @@ +static u_long pcic_pci_ioaddr = 0x3000; /* @@ -591,2 +592,8 @@ sp->offset = slotnum * PCIC_SLOT_SIZE; +printf("\nIOADDR:%x\n", pcic_pci_ioaddr); + if (pcic_pci_ioaddr) { + sp->index = pcic_pci_ioaddr; + sp->data = pcic_pci_ioaddr +1; + sp->offset = slotnum * PCIC_SLOT_SIZE; + } } else { Bye! ---- Michael Reifenberger Plaut Software GmbH, R/3 Basis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07718 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07651 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA07948; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:35:15 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809231835.UAA07948@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:35:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809231952.MAA01226@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Sep 23, 98 12:52:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > > would do but i doubt i can load it!) > > Not really. Can you use a floppy? yes, but i'd rather not; booting a kernel from a floppy is slow as hell and preparing them is also annoying luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07924 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07778 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA07940; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:33:47 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809231833.UAA07940@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:33:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com, oppermann@pipeline.ch, abial@nask.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809232014.NAA03628@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Sep 23, 98 01:14:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Jitter correction is for the crappy (older) CD-ROMs.. Some sort of a thing > > about the lens jittering during use that can cause problems with generating ... > Jitter correction has to do with fixing up the raw audio data, it has > nothing to do with the digital side of things. "len jitter" wouldn't > affect the audio data - when a bit comes off the disk it's either a 1 > or a 0, and it either passes the DRS check or it's fixed if it's wrong. to clarify, the so-called jitter correction in "cdd" serves for those drives whose firmware does not guarantee that the data you get from the disk are for the block you requests and instead could give you data for a nearby block (presumably, but this is just an assumption, from time to time the firmware misses a block and passes you the next one). the way to do the correction is to read overlapped sections from the disk and compare the boundary block to make sure that they overlap as expected. On a drive that does not need jitter correction you lose a lot of speed. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:29:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08786 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08635; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29223; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:33:16 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809232033.QAA29223@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver To: mturpin@shadow.spel.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a call for testers for yet another PCI fast ethernet device driver, this time for the RealTek 8129 and 8139 chips. Note: I only have an 8139 adapter so I can't tell for sure if the 8129 support really works. The only major difference is that the 8129 uses an external PHY and needs MDIO support whereas the 8139 has a transceiver built in and the registers can be read directly. The source code is available from the following location: http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/3.0 source for FreeBSD 3.0 http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/2.2 source for FreeBSD 2.2.x To add the driver to an existing system, do the following: - Copy if_rl.c and if_rlreg.h to /sys/pci - Edit /sys/conf/files and add a line that says: pci/if_rl.c optional rl device-driver - Edit your kernel config file (e.g. /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC) and add a line that says: device rl0 - Compile a new kernel and reboot. You should get something like the following: rl0: rev 0x10 int a irq 14 on pci2.10.0 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:40:c7:79:18:1c rl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps) My test machine is a PII 400Mhz system; on this system I can easily get 11MB/s transfer rates at 100Mbps full-duplex. Since the driver has to perform buffer copies, performance may not be quite as good on slower systems. Also, the autonegotiation on this chip seems a little flaky: you may have to force the proper mode using ifconfig in order to set it correctly for your network. As usual, report problems or success reports to wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu. For those who are wondering, no, this driver will not make it into FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE: 3.0 is in a feature freeze and we have enough new code to whack into shape before the ship date. Next on the hit parade: the Winbond W89C840F chip. -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09734 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09655 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03790; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809232039.NAA03790@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:35:15 +0200." <199809231835.UAA07948@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:39:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > > > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > > > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > > > would do but i doubt i can load it!) > > > > Not really. Can you use a floppy? > > yes, but i'd rather not; booting a kernel from a floppy is slow as hell > and preparing them is also annoying Well, basically you're screwed. 8( AFAIK, the NT boot selector will only load one sector for you. There's not room in one sector to put enough code to read a file off an NTFS, so even if you were to use the new bootloader and wrote an NTFS module for it, you'd be stuck getting it loaded. If you can't have an FreeBSD filesystem on the machine, you must be planning to boot diskless, correct? Why not just boot the netboot.com binary on the floppy, and suck the kernel from your server as well? Or are you trying to load a picobsd kernel? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11339 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11293 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4019.ime.net [209.90.195.29]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12627; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Message-Id: <199809232040.QAA12627@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> X-Server-Comment: Sent via OCSNet/Orland, Admin is: Droobie@Onenetwork.orland.me.us X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:39:58 -0400 To: Andre Oppermann , Luigi Rizzo , Andrzej Bialecki , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Welp, there's the answer.. again I just leave it on as an option.. But according to my assorted list of readmes and all, it was eventually fixed.. I'd just try without, and then if the samples are crap, just run it back through again.. Theres some drives (The Sony 16x I had here, and some Toshiba models) that claim to do Raw mode, but the results are absolutely atrocious.. I don't interface hardware, I interface software.. :-) At 01:14 PM 9/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Jitter correction is for the crappy (older) CD-ROMs.. Some sort of a thing >> about the lens jittering during use that can cause problems with generating >> files in RAW mode. >> >> Basically, it removes the problem.. I don't know the logistics of the code >> or anything, but it doesnt seem to make problems with my newer scsi drives >> to just 'leave it enabled'.. > >Jitter correction has to do with fixing up the raw audio data, it has >nothing to do with the digital side of things. "len jitter" wouldn't >affect the audio data - when a bit comes off the disk it's either a 1 >or a 0, and it either passes the DRS check or it's fixed if it's wrong. > >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 13:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12829 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12801 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10263; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809231617.SAA07726@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that > fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... > > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > would do but i doubt i can load it!) lynx /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ101.html It has been there for quite some time, and it works great. I always keep a recent copy of bootsect.bsd around to make it easy. :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:14:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26810 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.synx.com (rt.synx.com [194.167.81.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA26788 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@synx.com) Received: from synx.com (rn [192.1.1.241]) by bsd.synx.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA23062 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:14:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199809232214.XAA23062@bsd.synx.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:14:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Remy NONNENMACHER Reply-To: remy@synx.com Subject: 3.0-19980919-BETA try.. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Am I totally stupid or is is broken ? After getting problems with boot.flp (seems to erase/broke the MFS image) I can't build an SMP system with it. (elf problems, 'curproc' undefined, etc....) Any news about SMP in 3.0-...-BETA ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27000 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26992 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12146; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012128; Wed Sep 23 15:16:57 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15669; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:16:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809232216.PAA15669@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809231617.SAA07726@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Sep 23, 98 06:17:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that > fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... > > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > would do but i doubt i can load it!) >From a running NT, you would have to provide a VXD that, running in protected mode, loaded the code and jumped to it. You would basically have to recreate most of the second stage boot, and start thwacking up a virtual address space. At the very least, you would need to modify locore.s. NT doesn't return to real mode for anything; that's why it doesn't have the VM86 based drivers available, as Windows 95 does, that would allow it to run on all PC hardware. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:18:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27145 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27067 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04489; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809232222.PAA04489@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Russell cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:47:30 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:22:15 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Is there a way to boot a FreeBSD kernel from NT ? I have been told that > > fbsdboot does not run because of protection problems.... > > > > I admit i want to make things difficult, because i cannot have a > > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > > would do but i doubt i can load it!) > > lynx /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ101.html > > It has been there for quite some time, and it works great. I always keep > a recent copy of bootsect.bsd around to make it easy. :) It's on page 121 now, but you should be using the section number (8.7) instead. Unfortunately, this doesn't do what Luigi wants. All you get from this is the ability to put FreeBSD in the NT bootloader menu - you still have to have a FreeBSD partition on the disk. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28997 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28988 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id AAA20270 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:28:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id 076DA1588; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:17:09 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Windows NT Terminal Server Message-ID: <19980924001709.A822@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199809212206.PAA01680@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i In-Reply-To: <199809212206.PAA01680@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 03:06:19PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-BETA/ELF ctm#4660 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mike Smith: > Anyone else seeing this? I got these too, especially when trying to do 256 colours. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-BETA #0: Sat Sep 19 23:38:25 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01145 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01137 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10427; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:44:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Jim Flowers cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <001901bde728$60ed1460$abd396ce@ivy.ezo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jim Flowers wrote: > NTLDR works well with FreeBSD multiple-boot but you will have to boot it in > a DOS partition that can also be shared with DOS and Win95/98. Essentially Huh? I don't understand this. :) You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD can't read the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can boot. I don't think that's what you meant.... Please clarify. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:51:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01805 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01781 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10434; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:49:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Mike Smith cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809231952.MAA01226@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > FreeBSD partition on the disk so i need to boot a kernel from an > > NTFS partition (not necessarily from NT, even from the boot manager > > would do but i doubt i can load it!) > > Not really. Can you use a floppy? Ahh! Now I get it. I misread the origional message. Basically he wants an NT "version" of FBSDBOOT? (That IS the name of the one that lets you boot BSD from DOS, is it not?) Hmm... /me thinking Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 15:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03262 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03234 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10444; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:58:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Mike Smith cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809232222.PAA04489@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > lynx /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ101.html > > > It's on page 121 now, but you should be using the section number (8.7) > instead. Good point. I just happened to know it used to be in 101. I should have said something like grep loader /usr/share/doc/FAQ. :) > Unfortunately, this doesn't do what Luigi wants. All you get from this > is the ability to put FreeBSD in the NT bootloader menu - you still > have to have a FreeBSD partition on the disk. Yes, I see that now. I missed the fact that he didn't have any BSD partition at all. Hmm. That's quite a pickle. I wonder if NTLDR can be forced to read more than 512 bytes....?? Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12472 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12414 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00439 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:01:46 GMT Message-Id: <199809232001.UAA00439@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:15:50 -0400 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Is the de driver dead? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. Is this known, or cared about? dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:34:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16271 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16207 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14933; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd014845; Wed Sep 23 17:33:38 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14905; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:33:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809240033.RAA14905@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: drussell@saturn-tech.com (Doug Russell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:33:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Russell" at Sep 23, 98 04:44:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > NTLDR works well with FreeBSD multiple-boot but you will have to boot it in > > a DOS partition that can also be shared with DOS and Win95/98. Essentially > > Huh? I don't understand this. :) > > You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD can't read > the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can boot. I don't think > that's what you meant.... Please clarify. Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list archives. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17423 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:41:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from couatl.uchicago.edu (couatl.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17408 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfarrell@couatl.uchicago.edu) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by couatl.uchicago.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA16945; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:41:40 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd hackers Subject: sybase/linux From: stephen farrell Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 23 Sep 1998 19:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <87hfxys5oc.fsf@couatl.uchicago.edu> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.42/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok, with great anticipation i downloaded sybase linux (go to redhat.com--it's avaliable for FREE!)... i then check it out and to my grave dissappointment it uses libc6. what's the prospects on running this beast under freebsd? how about linux-libs with gnu libc? -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:51:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18908 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18891 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10797; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:45:13 MDT." <199809231845.MAA22831@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:52:38 -0700 Message-ID: <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I would suggest that now is not the time to get into doom and gloom > discussions over how good/bad some one/idea/thing is to the FreeBSD > project and concentrate on making 3.0 as good a release as we can. > Once 3.0 is out, and the pressure is off for a while, revisiting the > things that seemed to be so irritating now would likely put them in a > more reasonable light. Hear hear. Speaking for myself, at least, I can say that my patience is at an all-time low and it would be bad timing indeed to annoy me or any of the other members of core deliberately right now. It's not even 2 months before a major release, that would be wonderful by comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. This results in stress, to say the least, and if you don't want your fingers bitten then don't rattle any of our cages, folks. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19269 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19239 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10813; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:52 EDT." <36092AE8.C7809ED0@ics.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:54:02 -0700 Message-ID: <10810.906598442@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. > > Yes. I agree it'd take a lot of work to be as bad as Theo. Well, that's not quite what I meant by that (Theo comes in for enough bashing around here for me to willfully add to it), I simply was trying to make the point that this wasn't another OpenBSD precedent in the making. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 17:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20415 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20403 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18016; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:28:25 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199809231833.UAA07940@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:28:24 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, abial@nask.pl, oppermann@pipeline.ch, netmonger@genesis.ispace.com, (Mike Smith) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > to clarify, the so-called jitter correction in "cdd" serves for those > drives whose firmware does not guarantee that the data you get from the > disk are for the block you requests and instead could give you data for > a nearby block (presumably, but this is just an assumption, from time > to time the firmware misses a block and passes you the next one). It happens because CDDA doesn't have block markers, so the firmware can't actually tell if it got the right block when it reads it.. It is essentially working on 'dead reckoning' to get the right block. Jitter correction checks the blocks to see if they 'line up' or not.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 18:16:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24028 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24011 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27429 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA06839 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25632 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id VAA15313 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809240120.VAA15313@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Idea for a small project... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I realize this is making work, but, if someone is looking for a way to contribute, or a graduate student/senior computer science major is looking for a good term project... this might be one. The Pentium chip has improved support for debugging programs, including a hardware assisted databreak manager. Unfortunately, the FreeBSD kernel doesn't take advantage of this facility. Which leaves debuggers to do "watchpoints" by single stepping the code and checking to see if the watchpoint had occurred. A nice improvement to FreeBSD would be to improve the ptrace() support so that it used the hardware assisted feature when running on a Pentium. The feature is limited in the number of breakpoints you can manage; extra credit would be to not expose this limitation. Use the hardware break point feature for the first N watch points (I believe N would be 4 in this case) and the current software approach when you have more. - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 18:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24394 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24379 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05464; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809240125.SAA05464@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dennis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:15:50 EDT." <199809232001.UAA00439@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:25:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. > > Is this known, or cared about? It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. Speak to matt@3am-software.com. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 18:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27932 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27926 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA21502; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980923194338.D20936@worldgate.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:43:38 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: Dennis Kaisers Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI Buses on p2l97 References: <6u9cr6$l6j$1@supernews.com> <36099EC6.573DF83B@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <36099EC6.573DF83B@csi.com>; from Dennis Kaisers on Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 03:22:15AM +0200 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yup slot1 and the AGP slot share an IRQ .... but why is it stealing the PCI bus with no AGP card installed? Quoting Dennis Kaisers (dkaisers@csi.com) On Subject: Re: PCI Buses on p2l97 Date: Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 03:22:15AM +0200 > as far as i know agp and the pci slot under the agp slot are shared > > Greg Skafte schrieb: > > > I've recently purchased a p2l97 motherboard and was going to replace a > > tekram 430TX chipset motherboard. In the tekram currently is > > > > 1 x PCI video Card > > 3 x multi-port ethernet Cards. > > > > when the the tekram board boots video goes onto PCI bus 0 , each of > > the ethernet cards has its own bridge so they populate PCI bus 1,2 and 3. > > > > Sofar so good right? .... so I have PCI bus 0,1,2,3 in use no probs works > > like a charm. > > > > now I want to replace the tekram 430Tx chipset board with a ASUS p2l97 > > (440LX board). > > > > When I put the cards in , video goes onto PCI bus 0 the ethernet cards > > go onto buses 2,3,4 .... didn't know I could have 5 PCI buses. but in any > > case nothing goes onto PCI bus 1. this is causing me problems but because > > the multi-port on bus 4 doesn't seem to be happy. and what is locking out > > PCI bus 1. Is this a hiccup in the bios. The board has a bios rev of 1002 > > > > Any ideas. Is the p2l97 just flaky and do I pick some other vendor. > > > > Please respond by email if possible since I'm not so religious about Usenet. > > I'll summarize the responses if there is enough interest. and can provide > > PCI vendor tag et al if required. > > > > -- > > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 > > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > > -- -- > > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole > > lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest > > thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) > > > > -- > > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 > > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > > -- -- > > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole > > > > > -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 18:53:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28741 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28732 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28685 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA13367 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25728 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id VAA15480 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809240157.VAA15480@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; and maybe 3.0. But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never make it. However, if I login to the gateway machine, which is the direct connection to the internet and which also is the host where natd is running... I'm able to get to the aol site without a problem. Doesn't this "smell" of packet reconstruction problems? Anyway, if someone who is using natd on 3.0, or 2.2.7 could try to access the aol home page: http://www.aol.com from an interior host... (and compare that to the retrieval speed when on the gateway machine) I'd appreciate it. - Thanks - - Dave R. - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 19:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03384 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03310 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id WAA15151; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:21:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Warner Losh , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. This > results in stress, to say the least, and if you don't want your > fingers bitten then don't rattle any of our cages, folks. :) DAMN! And I was just about to ask you about a problem with the tk80 port too! :-) Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 19:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03816 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03749 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29939 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA18224; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25796; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA15671; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809240225.WAA15671@lakes.dignus.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Idea for a small project... In-Reply-To: <199809240221.TAA05760@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes in personal email... > > > > I realize this is making work, but, if someone is looking for a way > > to contribute, or a graduate student/senior computer science major > > is looking for a good term project... this might be one. > > The hardest thing is actually recording these sort of things and > putting a list somewhere for us to point people at. Would you mind > perhaps submitting this to the handbook, or perhaps starting a page of > "interesting projects"? > > Thanks! > [Mike, I hope you don't mind me posting this on to hackers, perhaps someone with excellent network connectivity would volunteer to host?] Good idea! I see, from time to time, people asking "what can I do". A page of interesting small things to start on would be an excellent place to point people. [Of course, that's one of the first things to go on the "interesting projects list." :-) ] Also, I should add that this is something to consider well *after* the up-coming releases... Everyone is busy enough already :-) Seems like a page would be preferable to the handbook - but - I'm not sure... opinions? - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 19:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05106 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05072 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA49290; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:28:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199809232214.XAA23062@bsd.synx.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:32:59 -0400 To: remy@synx.com From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: 3.0-19980919-BETA try.. Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:14 AM +0200 9/24/98, Remy NONNENMACHER wrote: > Am I totally stupid or is it broken ? In the words of Dogbert, "That isn't necessarily an 'or' question". (hey, easy now, that was just an attempt at some humour :-) > After getting problems with boot.flp (seems to erase/broke the MFS > image) I can't build an SMP system with it. (elf problems, 'curproc' > undefined, etc....) > > Any news about SMP in 3.0-...-BETA ? If you are going to run "current", you need to be on the mailing list for current. You really *need* to be there, especially right now, when current is in a great deal of flux. There is a lot of discussion going on in that list, and I don't think it's good to duplicate that in the freebsd-hackers discussion (because hackers includes a lot of people who really have no interest in "current" until it becomes "stable"). The discussions in "current" would benefit from any specific bug reports you have to offer, if you're really available to help shake out the recent changes. disclaimer: I'm more of an onlooker to freebsd than a real contributor, but I suspect the real contributors are pretty busy right now... :-) For what it's worth, I have a snapshot of 3.0 before the great ELF and CAM switchovers and it is working quite fine on a dual-PPro system. I do know that both the ELM and CAM switchovers have caused some problems which are still being ironed out. While a number of people are operating with frazzled nerves right now, I (for one) am still pretty encouraged with the way things seem to be going. It's not "there" yet, but it's coming along and many people are working hard on tracking down the remaining problems. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 19:44:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07336 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07282 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA21726; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980923204336.G20936@worldgate.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:43:36 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: Mike Smith , Dennis Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? References: <199809232001.UAA00439@etinc.com> <199809240125.SAA05464@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809240125.SAA05464@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 06:25:05PM -0700 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what is the difference between the -AC and the -AE cards? I'm having fairly good luck with the -AE chipset cards Quoting Mike Smith (mike@smith.net.au) On Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? Date: Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 06:25:05PM -0700 > > > > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other > > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. > > > > Is this known, or cared about? > > It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party > software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. > > Speak to matt@3am-software.com. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 19:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08007 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07974 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10663; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199809240250.TAA10663@austin.polstra.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com> References: <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:10 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com>, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Hear hear. Speaking for myself, at least, I can say that my patience > is at an all-time low and it would be bad timing indeed to annoy me or > any of the other members of core deliberately right now. It's not > even 2 months before a major release, that would be wonderful by > comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. This isn't a "major" release. It's a MAJOR!!! release. :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 20:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09333 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09325 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11556; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Polstra cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:10 PDT." <199809240250.TAA10663@austin.polstra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: <11552.906606077@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I stand corrected. :-) > In article <10793.906598358@time.cdrom.com>, > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Hear hear. Speaking for myself, at least, I can say that my patience > > is at an all-time low and it would be bad timing indeed to annoy me or > > any of the other members of core deliberately right now. It's not > > even 2 months before a major release, that would be wonderful by > > comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. > > This isn't a "major" release. It's a MAJOR!!! release. :-) > > John > -- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 20:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13098 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13082 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA26333; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Open Systems Networking cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: # On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: # # > comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. This # > results in stress, to say the least, and if you don't want your # > fingers bitten then don't rattle any of our cages, folks. :) # # DAMN! And I was just about to ask you about a problem with the tk80 port # too! :-) If it is broken and this just happened recently, then ask me and spare Jordan. :) Steve # Chris # # -- # "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is # driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't # tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters # # ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. # FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 # -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 # FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net # http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security # ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 21:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19499 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calvin.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19438 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by calvin.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10762; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:59:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Terry Lambert cc: jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809240033.RAA14905@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD can't read > > the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can boot. I don't think .. > Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list > archives. Nifty! Sometime I MUST start a page of "Neat things for FreeBSD that you probably never new existed" for all these things I keep discovering! Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 21:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19998 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (max1-53.airnet.net [207.242.81.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19886 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03438; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:01:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Message-ID: <3609C436.41324E60@airnet.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:01:58 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness References: <6091.906561859@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. Nor is he Elvis. The black > helicopters are not coming for you, Kaleb, and you can go back to > sleep. ;-) You're right. He'd have to go off flaming people for writing poor help requests to -questions. :) -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 22:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00389 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) id AAA29081 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:16:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199809240516.AAA29081@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: is de driver dead? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:16:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (re: Dennis wanting to know about the de driver) I'm running four SMC-9334BDT's in a 2.2.7-R box. Works fine. I'm reasonably certain that these are -AC based cards. ASUS P/I-P55T2P4, rev 3.1 MB... ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 22:18:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00537 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00501 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.82.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05786 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA24494; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:17:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199809240517.XAA24494@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Using 2.2.7-RELEASE and netscape 4.05 on the win95 box (internal host) it loads up fine and quickly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 22:39:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02397 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02389 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA22489; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:09:13 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA17536; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:09:09 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980924150909.D12701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:09:09 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kirby , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness References: <6091.906561859@time.cdrom.com> <3609C436.41324E60@airnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3609C436.41324E60@airnet.net>; from Kris Kirby on Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 11:01:58PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 23 September 1998 at 23:01:58 -0500, Kris Kirby wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >> In other words, Amancio is hardly Theo. Nor is he Elvis. The black >> helicopters are not coming for you, Kaleb, and you can go back to >> sleep. ;-) > > You're right. He'd have to go off flaming people for writing poor help > requests to -questions. :) Wait a while, that's my job. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 23:29:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08334 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:29:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (206-18-113-168.la.inreach.net [206.18.113.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08320 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08958; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199809240250.TAA10663@austin.polstra.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: John Polstra Subject: Re: The Age of Darkness Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My secret spy satellite informs me that on 24-Sep-98, John Polstra wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> comparison, it's less than *3 weeks* before a major release. > This isn't a "major" release. It's a MAJOR!!! release. :-) Actually, I rather thought it is a # # # # ####### ###### # # # # ## ## # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ####### ####### # # # # # # # # ###### ####### ####### # # # # # # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### ####### # # release... :) -dburr, who is still trying to catch up to all the changes after his month-long recuperation from eye surgery (and having his CURRENT test-box suddenly go belly-up doesn't help matters either...) --- Donald Burr *NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!* | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ#16997506 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 23 23:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08825 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:33:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles184.castles.com [208.214.165.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08790 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00428 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809240639.XAA00428@word.smith.net.au> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:39:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: sybase/linux Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: stephen farrell cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sybase/linux In-reply-to: Your message of "23 Sep 1998 19:41:39 CDT." <87hfxys5oc.fsf@couatl.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:39:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith PLEASE SEND EMULATION-RELATED QUESTIONS TO freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Thankyou. > ok, with great anticipation i downloaded sybase linux (go to > redhat.com--it's avaliable for FREE!)... i then check it out and to my > grave dissappointment it uses libc6. > > what's the prospects on running this beast under freebsd? how about > linux-libs with gnu libc? You need a very-up-to-date Linux LKM, and the add-on library pack at ftp://time.cdrom.com/pub/incoming/libs.tar.gz. This should make it into the 3.0 ports collection at some stage. No guarantees yet that Sybase will work (I'll look at it at some stage I hope). Oracle doesn't yet. - -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 01:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25736 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25718 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from proxy.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11831 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (cam [10.0.0.50]) by proxy.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06758; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:45:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Message-ID: <360A051E.EA36509B@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:38:55 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas David Rivers CC: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Idea for a small project... References: <199809240225.WAA15671@lakes.dignus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Mike Smith writes in personal email... > > ? ? > ? ? I realize this is making work, but, if someone is looking for a way > ? ? to contribute, or a graduate student/senior computer science major > ? ? is looking for a good term project... this might be one. > ? > ? The hardest thing is actually recording these sort of things and > ? putting a list somewhere for us to point people at. Would you mind > ? perhaps submitting this to the handbook, or perhaps starting a page of > ? "interesting projects"? > ? > ? Thanks! > ? > > [Mike, I hope you don't mind me posting this on to hackers, perhaps > someone with excellent network connectivity would volunteer to host?] > > Good idea! I see, from time to time, people asking "what can I do". > A page of interesting small things to start on would be an excellent > place to point people. [Of course, that's one of the first things > to go on the "interesting projects list." :-) ] > > Also, I should add that this is something to consider well *after* > the up-coming releases... Everyone is busy enough already :-) > > Seems like a page would be preferable to the handbook - but - I'm > not sure... opinions? > create for this GNAT category or moderated list, accessibel from web site. This allow automatic update of list of interesting projects. > - Dave Rivers - > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA CORBA in Ukraine & ex-USSR: http://www.corbadev.kiev.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 02:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29450 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29422 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hel.ifi.uio.no (2602@hel.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.91]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA28480; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:08:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hel.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:08:29 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jim Flowers" Cc: , Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) References: <01bde6f4$ff85a800$858266ce@violet.ezo.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:08:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jim Flowers"'s message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:20:56 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA29431 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jim Flowers" writes: > I think the problem is that bxa has changed their server host and hasn't > setup a new www record and, not having used a CNAME record strategy, it's > toast. Good argument for indirection. Come on guys, where's your investigative sense? The real bug is that whichever kook is currently handling NS at bxa.doc.gov fscked up his zone file: dag-erli@hel ~$ nslookup Default Server: mimming.ifi.uio.no Address: 129.240.64.16 > server jade.bxa.doc.gov. Default Server: jade.bxa.doc.gov Address: 170.110.31.61 > ls bxa.doc.gov. [jade.bxa.doc.gov] $ORIGIN bxa.doc.gov. corvette 1D IN A 170.110.31.68 nectic.bxa 1D IN A 170.110.31.45 sanctuary 1D IN A 170.110.31.67 nectic 1D IN A 170.110.31.45 bxa5 1D IN A 170.110.136.8 bxanecfw 1D IN A 170.110.31.52 localhost 1D IN A 127.0.0.1 www.bxa.doc.gov 1D IN A 207.96.11.93 jade 1D IN A 170.110.31.61 gauntlet 1D IN A 170.110.136.15 > www.bxa.doc.gov.bxa.doc.gov. Server: jade.bxa.doc.gov Address: 170.110.31.61 Name: www.bxa.doc.gov.bxa.doc.gov Address: 207.96.11.93 DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 02:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01221 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01160 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 02:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA09560; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:28:42 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809240728.JAA09560@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: drussell@saturn-tech.com (Doug Russell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:28:42 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Doug Russell" at Sep 23, 98 09:59:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD can't read > > > the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can boot. I don't think > .. > > Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list > > archives. ok, it is vmount-0.6a something... but the author's web site is unreachable at the moment. Does someone have a copy of this by chance ? (this does not solve my problem yet, but it is at least a starting point). One more question for those who have some knowledge of NTFS. Just how complex is to locate say one file in the root directory ? The idea would be have the boot block (512 bytes) locate and suck in a predefined file using BIOS calls, so the only problem would be to find out the parameters to pass to the bios. At the very extreme, these values could be hardwired into the boot sector using a program while running in NT itself, and then act at the next reboot ? cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 03:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05852 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05847 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03155; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:03:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:03:37 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reading PCI card config registers et cetera In-Reply-To: <199809230737.PAA07767@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > Linux has a whole bunch of functions for reading the configuration registers > of PCI cards and stuff that are nicely standardised. After a quick look > through the various. PCI drivers I can't see anything similar for FreeBSD. Can > anyone enlighten me if we have any such beast? Most of the important config registers (for memory regions etc) are read automatically. Any extra registers can be accessed with pci_cfgread() (new api) or pci_conf_read() (2.2 compatible api). You may also need to use pci_map_mem() and/or pci_map_port() to get access to memory and io regions. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 04:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14126 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA14110; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA09826; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:28:12 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809240928.LAA09826@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: backport of atapi-cd to -STABLE To: oppermann@pipeline.ch (Andre Oppermann) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:28:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: abial@nask.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3608D85C.1F4D509@pipeline.ch> from "Andre Oppermann" at Sep 23, 98 01:15:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > > I am backporting Soren's atapi-cd code to -STABLE, in order to access > > > > an ATAPI cd writer (HP CD-Writer+ 7200/V:003.01). > > > > > > > > I have the code mostly working (i.e. it can read audio tracks and ... ok, i have been able to write both data and audio disks now. Before this code goes into the main src tree (assuming there is agreement on this), in a couple of days i will need somebody willing to test this code on -stable (or 2.2.6/2.2.7) on other drives than the one (HP7200) i have. if somebody feels like trying drop me an email and i'll send a patchfile cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 05:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20147 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p74.tfs.net [139.146.210.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20130 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) id HAA20823; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:22:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199809241222.HAA20823@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "Sep 24, 98 11:08:28 am" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:22:15 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 20 11:57:05 CDT 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > "Jim Flowers" writes: > > I think the problem is that bxa has changed their server host and hasn't > > setup a new www record and, not having used a CNAME record strategy, it's > > toast. Good argument for indirection. > > Come on guys, where's your investigative sense? The real bug is that > whichever kook is currently handling NS at bxa.doc.gov fscked up his > zone file: > > dag-erli@hel ~$ nslookup > Default Server: mimming.ifi.uio.no > Address: 129.240.64.16 > > > server jade.bxa.doc.gov. > Default Server: jade.bxa.doc.gov > Address: 170.110.31.61 > > > ls bxa.doc.gov. > [jade.bxa.doc.gov] > $ORIGIN bxa.doc.gov. > corvette 1D IN A 170.110.31.68 > nectic.bxa 1D IN A 170.110.31.45 > sanctuary 1D IN A 170.110.31.67 > nectic 1D IN A 170.110.31.45 > bxa5 1D IN A 170.110.136.8 > bxanecfw 1D IN A 170.110.31.52 > localhost 1D IN A 127.0.0.1 > www.bxa.doc.gov 1D IN A 207.96.11.93 > jade 1D IN A 170.110.31.61 > gauntlet 1D IN A 170.110.136.15 > > www.bxa.doc.gov.bxa.doc.gov. > Server: jade.bxa.doc.gov > Address: 170.110.31.61 > > Name: www.bxa.doc.gov.bxa.doc.gov > Address: 207.96.11.93 i just did the deed. the whois.nic.gov record gives the wrong phone number, but i was directed to the proper number and left a voicemail for the dns guy there. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 06:38:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29923 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heathers.stdio.com (heathers.stdio.com [199.89.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29917 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lile@stdio.com) Received: (from lile@localhost) by heathers.stdio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09395; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Larry S. Lile" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: elf conversion questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I cvsup'd about 10:00p on the 22nd and did an aout build/install world, upgraded etc and dev, then I copied GENERIC and customized and config'd a new kernel and got this message: ../../i386/i386/genassym.c:61: warning: `KERNEL' redefined *Initialization*:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition I assumed this would go away when I went elf, after my elf conversion it it still there. Is something wrong? Second during the aout-to-elf the makefile checks "uname -r" to see if you are 3.0-CURRENT but it should also allow 3.0-BETA I think. Other than those the conversion seemed to go without a hitch, other than a bunch of aborts (-lperl problem I think) during the perl build. Thanks guys great job! :) Larry Lile lile@stdio.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 06:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00839 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.syncom.net (hecate.syncom.net [206.64.31.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00831 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyouse@hecate.syncom.net) Received: from localhost (cyouse@localhost) by hecate.syncom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29774; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:44:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:44:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Youse To: Drew Baxter cc: david@sparks.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem In-Reply-To: <199809221855.OAA11202@Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Generally this problem can be associated with defective memory. Or, in some systems, mixing memory types. I had a Dual P2/300 system that exhibited similar symptoms with regard to compilations. When I removed the a pair of 16 meg SIMMs (leaving just the 64MB SDRAM) the problem went away. The SIMMs tested OK, so the problems must have resulted from the mixture. Chuck Youse cyouse@syncom.net > At 01:58 PM 9/22/98 -0400, david@sparks.net wrote: > >I just brought up a new system with a FIC 503+ motherboard and an AMD > >K6-2/300 processor in it. > > > >It seems to run pretty well except that the freebsd version of > >communicator went out to lunch last night (unattended), and today died > >with: > > > >fatal process exception: page fault, fault VA = 0xa004bb14 > > > > > >The other thing which happens is that compiles seem to randomly crash. > >Compiling GoodStuff, for example: > > > >cc -fpic -DPIC -O -I. -I./../generic -I../bitmaps -I/usr/X11R6/include > >-I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0/generic -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 > >-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DTIME_WITH_SYS_TIME=1 > >-DTK_LIBRARY=\"/usr/local/lib/tk80\" -c ../generic/tkTextTag.c -o > >../generic/tkTextTag.so > >fatal process exception: general protection fault, fault VA = 0x12e000 > >cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 10 > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > > > >Anyone else seeing this? It compiles OK on a K6-200 I have at home:) > > > >Thanks, > > > >--- David > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when > > one doesn't know what one can't do! > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 06:59:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03201 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:59:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03189 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05273 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:59:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Envelope-Recipient: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:59:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Avalon Books To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? In-Reply-To: <19980923204336.G20936@worldgate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other > > > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. > > > > > > Is this known, or cared about? > > > > It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party > > software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. > > > > Speak to matt@3am-software.com. > > I have heard this, too, but my experience with the de driver has been one of flawless operation, under any load and every protocol I've tried. I use Kingston KNE-40BT (using the DEC 21041A/PB) and I have to admit, for an inexpensive card that's warrantied *forever*, its good hardware. After the few network problems I run into (and they are few and far between), there wasn't anything that could be firmly blamed on the de driver as the culprit. Is there any documentation on these supposed problems with the de driver? --Rick Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 08:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11893 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11881 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpt@us.networkcs.com) Received: from marcos.networkcs.com (marcos.networkcs.com [137.66.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01149 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us.networkcs.com (us.networkcs.com [137.66.11.15]) by marcos.networkcs.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id KAA09781; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:02:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jpt@localhost) by us.networkcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA24546; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:02:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Thomas Message-Id: <199809241502.KAA24546@us.networkcs.com> Subject: Re: Idea for a small project... In-Reply-To: <199809240225.WAA15671@lakes.dignus.com> from Thomas David Rivers at "Sep 23, 98 10:25:25 pm" To: rivers@dignus.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:02:48 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au, rivers@dignus.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith writes in personal email... > > > > > > > I realize this is making work, but, if someone is looking for a way > > > to contribute, or a graduate student/senior computer science major > > > is looking for a good term project... this might be one. > > > > The hardest thing is actually recording these sort of things and > > putting a list somewhere for us to point people at. Would you mind > > perhaps submitting this to the handbook, or perhaps starting a page of > > "interesting projects"? > > > > Thanks! > > > > [Mike, I hope you don't mind me posting this on to hackers, perhaps > someone with excellent network connectivity would volunteer to host?] > > Good idea! I see, from time to time, people asking "what can I do". > A page of interesting small things to start on would be an excellent > place to point people. [Of course, that's one of the first things > to go on the "interesting projects list." :-) ] > > Also, I should add that this is something to consider well *after* > the up-coming releases... Everyone is busy enough already :-) > > Seems like a page would be preferable to the handbook - but - I'm > not sure... opinions? > > - Dave Rivers - > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Not that I'm good with forms (that's what our graohics group is for) but it seems to me that it might also be nice to have a way that people could register as "I'm working on this" as well as others to know who those people are... This makes me lean towards have a page rather than sticking it in the handbook. -- Joseph Thomas E/Mail: jpt@networkcs.com Network Computing Services, Inc. jpt@magic.net 1200 Washington Ave So. Tel: +1 612 337 3558 Minneapolis, MN 55415-1227 FAX: +1 612 337 3400 An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 08:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18126 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (gw.sparks.net [209.222.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18120 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0zMDYY-0005p3-00; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:43:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Chuck Youse cc: Drew Baxter , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2/300 problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Chuck Youse wrote: > Generally this problem can be associated with defective memory. Or, in > some systems, mixing memory types. > > I had a Dual P2/300 system that exhibited similar symptoms with regard to > compilations. When I removed the a pair of 16 meg SIMMs (leaving just the > 64MB SDRAM) the problem went away. The SIMMs tested OK, so the problems > must have resulted from the mixture. A mixture is generally a bad things I believe. In this case I'm pretty certain that it's slow memory. I slowed the bus down to 83 MHz amd bumped the multiplier to four, resulting in a CPU rate of 333 MHz. This seems to work fine, so I'll run with it for a while. Thanks for all the help. Its nice to know it's not a K6 compatibility problem:) --- David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 10:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08169 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08123 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06061 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA11624; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: Thomas David Rivers cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... In-Reply-To: <199809240157.VAA15480@lakes.dignus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; > and maybe 3.0. > > But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to > the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just > an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never > make it. I had a 2.2.6 box w/ natd and ipfw handling a bunch of PCs at a trade show a month ago. Everything worked just fine. And while I never tried to get to AOL I'm sure several of the booth visitors did. Do you only see this with the URL above or some subset of the Internet or does nothing work? Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, a California corporation dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 11:49:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18479 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18462; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16408; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:49:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:49:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Bill Paul cc: mturpin@shadow.spel.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver In-Reply-To: <199809232033.QAA29223@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > This is a call for testers for yet another PCI fast ethernet device > driver, this time for the RealTek 8129 and 8139 chips. Note: I only I'm saving this message because I think I know where I can get my hand on some RealTek based Fast Ethernet cards. I have no idea just which RealTek chip I saw on them (quick glance), but more than likely it is one of the above. I'll let you know if/when I get ahold of a card and test it. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 11:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19691 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19665 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16424; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:53:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:53:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Doug Russell cc: Terry Lambert , jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Doug Russell wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD can't read > > > the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can boot. I don't think > .. > > Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list > > archives. > > Nifty! Sometime I MUST start a page of "Neat things for FreeBSD that you > probably never new existed" for all these things I keep discovering! > > Later...... > It would be ultra-nifty if one could write to NTFS partitions, and even create/format them. I could see possiblities of using this on a PicoBSD floppy to rebuild dead NT workstations, much like what I'm going to try to do for Win95 on FAT16 (I'll consider FAT32 as nonexistent.. it sucks). :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 12:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26331 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crap.31337.net (crap.31337.net [194.109.86.254] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26314 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from _@r4k.net) Received: from beyond (beyond.r4k.net [194.109.86.230]) by crap.31337.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10146 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:34:46 GMT (envelope-from _@r4k.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980923212029.0094ee00@crap.31337.net> X-Sender: atrak@crap.31337.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:20:29 +0200 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stephanie Wehner <_@r4k.net> Subject: IPsec for ipv4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I did a port of the OpenBSD ipsec stuff to the FreeBSD kernel. You can get it from ftp.r4k.net/pub/ipsec/. This includes the kernel patches, the userland programs needed to set it up and a bit of doc on how to put it in. Right now this is for FreeBSD 227R since I didn't have any machine with current around. I'd like to put it in current as soon as I have it somewhere (I can probably spare a machine for that in a couple of days) and also use it with pluto (does isakmp/oakley). You can use it now by setting things up manually or using photuris. 'd be cool if many people could test it and tell me about bugs etc. they find. thx, bye, Stephanie ------------------| _@r4k.net |---------------| FreeBSD |----- "I had to hit him he was starting to make sense." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02578 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02570 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11888 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03236; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27558; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id QAA17561; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809242010.QAA17561@lakes.dignus.com> To: dan@dpcsys.com, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; > > and maybe 3.0. > > > > But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to > > the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just > > an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never > > make it. > > I had a 2.2.6 box w/ natd and ipfw handling a bunch of PCs at a > trade show a month ago. Everything worked just fine. And while > I never tried to get to AOL I'm sure several of the booth visitors > did. > > Do you only see this with the URL above or some subset of the > Internet or does nothing work? Most things work just fine; it's only the odd HTTP reference that seems to go ger-flunkers. http://www.aol.com is an example of a place where netscape running on an interior node won't succeed; but netscape running on the gateway machine works just fine. - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02980 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02970 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00475; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242011.NAA00475@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chris Dillon cc: Doug Russell , Terry Lambert , jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:53:35 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:11:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It would be ultra-nifty if one could write to NTFS partitions, and even > create/format them. I could see possiblities of using this on a PicoBSD > floppy to rebuild dead NT workstations, much like what I'm going to try > to do for Win95 on FAT16 (I'll consider FAT32 as nonexistent.. it > sucks). :-) Don't do that; we can create and initialise fat32 filesystems, and you'll find a lot of them on Win9x systems. See the manpage for newfs_msdos(8). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:32:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06998 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manta.jpl.nasa.gov (manta.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.96.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06959 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake.hamby@jpl.nasa.gov) Received: from jpl.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manta.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01097 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360AAC61.4FE0E3A0@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:33 -0700 From: Jake Hamby Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just received my beta copy of Oracle8 for Linux, and was curious to try it out on our FreeBSD-current box (from about a week after the ELF transition). After branding all of the ELF binaries, I discovered that they required the new libc.so.6, libm.so.6, and ld-linux.so.2 libraries from GNU libc 2.0. I FTP'ed them over from my RedHat 5.1 desktop, only to discover that they immediately dump core. This problem is not unique to Oracle, as /bin/ls from RedHat also crashes. Here's the ktrace: 19120 ktrace RET ktrace 0 19120 ktrace CALL execve(0xefbfdacb,0xefbfd9b0,0xefbfd9b8) 19120 ktrace NAMI "./ls" 19120 ktrace NAMI "/compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.1" 19120 ls RET execve 0 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfd84c) 19120 ls RET dup2 671412224/0x2804f000 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x8048000,0x6d28,0x7) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL listen(0x40004683,0xefbfd818) 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache" 19120 ls RET listen 0 19120 ls CALL open(0x40004683,0,0) 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache" 19120 ls RET open 3 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfd7e4) 19120 ls RET dup2 671416320/0x28050000 19120 ls CALL close(0x3) 19120 ls RET close 0 19120 ls CALL open(0x2805134f,0,0) 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/lib/libc.so.6" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/lib/libc.so.6" 19120 ls RET open 3 19120 ls CALL read(0x3,0xefbfc41c,0x1000) 19120 ls GIO fd 3 read 4096 bytes "\^?ELF\^A\^A\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\^ ... 19120 ls RET read 4096/0x1000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 671424512/0x28052000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 671424512/0x28052000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 672018432/0x280e3000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 672047104/0x280ea000 19120 ls CALL close(0x3) 19120 ls RET close 0 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x28052000,0x9079d,0x7) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL open(0xefbfd458,0,0) 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2" 19120 ls NAMI "/usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2" 19120 ls RET open JUSTRETURN 19120 ls CALL open(0xefbfd458,0,0) 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux" 19120 ls NAMI "/compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2" 19120 ls RET open 3 19120 ls CALL read(0x3,0xefbfc41c,0x1000) 19120 ls GIO fd 3 read 4096 bytes "\^?ELF\^A\^A\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 ... 19120 ls RET read 4096/0x1000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 672096256/0x280f6000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 672096256/0x280f6000 19120 ls CALL dup2(0xefbfc320) 19120 ls RET dup2 672133120/0x280ff000 19120 ls CALL close(0x3) 19120 ls RET close 0 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x280f6000,0x8fa4,0x7) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL #91(0x28050000,0x1821) 19120 ls RET #91 0 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x8048000,0x6d28,0x5) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x28052000,0x9079d,0x5) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL old.recvfrom(0x280f6000,0x8fa4,0x5) 19120 ls RET old.recvfrom 0 19120 ls CALL getpid 19120 ls RET getpid 19120/0x4ab0 19120 ls PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL 19120 ls NAMI "ls.core" I'd like to help fix this problem myself, but I don't know where to begin. I'm assuming that kdump prints the FreeBSD, instead of the Linux syscalls, so I looked them up and old.recvfrom => mprotect(), while dup2 => mmap() and #91 => munmap(). Looking at a ktrace from /compat/linux/bin/sh, it appears that this is a fairly normal part of startup, and looks like the shared libraries mapping in. The only really unusual thing my untrained eye can see is that both /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.1 and /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 are being loaded in. But I don't have any idea what to do about it. If I try copying the newer ld-linux.so.2 as ld-linux.so.1, then FreeBSD simply complains that it can't find ld-linux.so.1. Any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:33:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07016 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00852; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:30:41 GMT Message-Id: <199809241630.QAA00852@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:44:45 -0400 To: Avalon Books , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? In-Reply-To: References: <19980923204336.G20936@worldgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:59 AM 9/24/98 -0500, Avalon Books wrote: > >> > > >> > > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other >> > > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. >> > > >> > > Is this known, or cared about? >> > >> > It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party >> > software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. >> > >> > Speak to matt@3am-software.com. >> > > > I have heard this, too, but my experience with the de driver has been >one of flawless operation, under any load and every protocol I've tried. I >use Kingston KNE-40BT (using the DEC 21041A/PB) and I have to admit, for >an inexpensive card that's warrantied *forever*, its good hardware. > After the few network problems I run into (and they are few and far >between), there wasn't anything that could be firmly blamed on the de >driver as the culprit. Is there any documentation on these supposed >problems with the de driver? The card you site is not a 21040 nor a -AC or later, so how is this relevant? The first problem is that there is seemingly no way to get the 10/100 cards to work on a 10mb/s network as they "autosense" wrong and when set manually do not work with the DE driver. db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07739 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07649 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00857; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:32:35 GMT Message-Id: <199809241632.QAA00857@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:46:40 -0400 To: Joe Greco From: Dennis Subject: Re: is de driver dead? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809240516.AAA29081@aurora.sol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:16 AM 9/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >(re: Dennis wanting to know about the de driver) > >I'm running four SMC-9334BDT's in a 2.2.7-R box. Works fine. I'm >reasonably certain that these are -AC based cards. > >ASUS P/I-P55T2P4, rev 3.1 MB... are you running them at 100mb/s? the -ABs work at 10 ok, but the -ACs "claim" to be on 100 and when set to 10 dont work. db > >... Joe > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net >Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:37:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08240 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08195 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00865; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:35:26 GMT Message-Id: <199809241635.QAA00865@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:49:30 -0400 To: Greg Skafte From: Dennis Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980923204336.G20936@worldgate.com> References: <199809240125.SAA05464@dingo.cdrom.com> <199809232001.UAA00439@etinc.com> <199809240125.SAA05464@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:43 PM 9/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >what is the difference between the -AC and the -AE cards? I'm having fairly >good luck with the -AE chipset cards > >Quoting Mike Smith (mike@smith.net.au) >On Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? >Date: Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 06:25:05PM -0700 > >> > >> > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and having other >> > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. >> > >> > Is this known, or cared about? >> >> It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party >> software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. >> >> Speak to matt@3am-software.com. The *problem* with this answer is that Matt has had drivers that worked (they had to be patched in) back at v2.2.5 but they STILL havent made it into the distribution. If it is 3rd party then it probably shouldnt be in the distribution if noone is going to update it. db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 13:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09360 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09318 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14693; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:41:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Envelope-Recipient: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:41:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Avalon Books To: Dennis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? In-Reply-To: <199809241630.QAA00852@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Dennis wrote: > At 08:59 AM 9/24/98 -0500, Avalon Books wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > Still can't use -AC 10/100 21040 cards with the de driver, and > having other > >> > > mysterious problems with a 3 21041 card system running 2.2.7-RELEASE. > >> > > > >> > > Is this known, or cared about? > >> > > >> > It's known that there are problems; the 'de' driver is third-party > >> > software and the problem needs to be addressed with the vendor. > >> > > >> > Speak to matt@3am-software.com. > >> > > > > > I have heard this, too, but my experience with the de driver has been > >one of flawless operation, under any load and every protocol I've tried. I > >use Kingston KNE-40BT (using the DEC 21041A/PB) and I have to admit, for > >an inexpensive card that's warrantied *forever*, its good hardware. > > After the few network problems I run into (and they are few and far > >between), there wasn't anything that could be firmly blamed on the de > >driver as the culprit. Is there any documentation on these supposed > >problems with the de driver? > > The card you site is not a 21040 nor a -AC or later, so how is this relevant? > > The first problem is that there is seemingly no way to get the 10/100 cards > to work on a 10mb/s network as they "autosense" wrong and when set > manually do not work with the DE driver. > > db > Considering the 21041A is a 21040 with a few minor firmware revisions I think it might be relevent. It seems the de driver itself has been essentially unchanged in quite a while, and I think it might of a value to determine why the supposed problems with the de driver manifest themselves the way they do. And those of us in the hardware business find multi-platform and third party testing to be extremely useful for locating both software and hardware flaws. For all we know, the chip isn't at fault--maybe its a bus interfacing problem, or an interface compliance problem, or who knows what else... --Rick Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 14:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17500 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17417 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22670; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd022644; Thu Sep 24 14:17:53 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17367; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:17:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809242117.OAA17367@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us (Chris Dillon) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:17:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: drussell@saturn-tech.com, tlambert@primenet.com, jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chris Dillon" at Sep 24, 98 01:53:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > You can BOOT FreeBSD (via NTLDR) off an NTFS parition. FreeBSD > > > > can't read the NTFS filesystem, of course (yet!), but you can > > > > boot. I don't think > > .. > > > Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list > > > archives. > > > > Nifty! Sometime I MUST start a page of "Neat things for FreeBSD that you > > probably never new existed" for all these things I keep discovering! > > It would be ultra-nifty if one could write to NTFS partitions, and even > create/format them. I could see possiblities of using this on a PicoBSD > floppy to rebuild dead NT workstations, much like what I'm going to try > to do for Win95 on FAT16 (I'll consider FAT32 as nonexistent.. it > sucks). :-) We write FS images at Whistle, after a net-boot. For an image, it's not really relevent what the format of the thing is. FreeBSD's VFS would need to change to be able to properly support a journalling filesystem. More specifically, the VOP_ABORTOP would need to become real, and the cookie portion of VOP_READDIR would have to go away, among other more minor tweaks. It's no coincidence that Margo's LFS code never worked quite right on FreeBSD, since a log structured FS is very similar to a JFS in its needs for transaction control. The only saving grace here is that while it would be very hard to wedge a writable NTFS into an unmodified FreeBSD VFS, it would be almost impossible to wedge it into an unmodified Linux VFS (their NTFS implementation is read-only, as well). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 14:31:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19999 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19992 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01104; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242136.OAA01104@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jake Hamby cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:33 PDT." <360AAC61.4FE0E3A0@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:36:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I just received my beta copy of Oracle8 for Linux, and was curious to > try it out on our FreeBSD-current box (from about a week after the ELF > transition). After branding all of the ELF binaries, I discovered that > they required the new libc.so.6, libm.so.6, and ld-linux.so.2 libraries > from GNU libc 2.0. I FTP'ed them over from my RedHat 5.1 desktop, only > to discover that they immediately dump core. This problem is not unique > to Oracle, as /bin/ls from RedHat also crashes. Here's the ktrace: You need to update to the latest Linux LKM; glibc is using a new dynamic loader and we were forcing the use of the wrong one. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 14:34:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manta.jpl.nasa.gov (manta.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.96.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20263 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake.hamby@jpl.nasa.gov) Received: from jpl.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manta.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01198; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360ABACF.52A484E6@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:08 -0700 From: Jake Hamby Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? References: <199809242136.OAA01104@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > I just received my beta copy of Oracle8 for Linux, and was curious to > > try it out on our FreeBSD-current box (from about a week after the ELF > > transition). After branding all of the ELF binaries, I discovered that > > they required the new libc.so.6, libm.so.6, and ld-linux.so.2 libraries > > from GNU libc 2.0. I FTP'ed them over from my RedHat 5.1 desktop, only > > to discover that they immediately dump core. This problem is not unique > > to Oracle, as /bin/ls from RedHat also crashes. Here's the ktrace: > > You need to update to the latest Linux LKM; glibc is using a new > dynamic loader and we were forcing the use of the wrong one. Thanks for the quick response. I'm building world right now and I'll make sure to rebuild the kernel and LKM as well. Hopefully Oracle will work after this. -Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 14:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23566 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23554 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01238; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242204.PAA01238@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jake Hamby cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:08 PDT." <360ABACF.52A484E6@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:04:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > I just received my beta copy of Oracle8 for Linux, and was curious to > > > try it out on our FreeBSD-current box (from about a week after the ELF > > > transition). After branding all of the ELF binaries, I discovered that > > > they required the new libc.so.6, libm.so.6, and ld-linux.so.2 libraries > > > from GNU libc 2.0. I FTP'ed them over from my RedHat 5.1 desktop, only > > > to discover that they immediately dump core. This problem is not unique > > > to Oracle, as /bin/ls from RedHat also crashes. Here's the ktrace: > > > > You need to update to the latest Linux LKM; glibc is using a new > > dynamic loader and we were forcing the use of the wrong one. > > Thanks for the quick response. I'm building world right now and I'll > make sure to rebuild the kernel and LKM as well. Hopefully Oracle will > work after this. Er, no, it won't "work", but you will get past the existing problem. The 'svrmgl' program SEGVs just after starting oracle when you go to initialise the database. Soren is working on this one at the moment. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 15:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24090 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manta.jpl.nasa.gov (manta.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.96.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24084 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake.hamby@jpl.nasa.gov) Received: from jpl.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manta.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01228; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360AC113.9729A1EC@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:00:51 -0700 From: Jake Hamby Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? References: <199809242204.PAA01238@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > Er, no, it won't "work", but you will get past the existing problem. > > The 'svrmgl' program SEGVs just after starting oracle when you go to > initialise the database. Soren is working on this one at the moment. Ah, thanks for letting me know. Is there a more appropriate mailing list to find out about the current status of Oracle on FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything appropriate in the mailing list archives. -Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 15:21:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28825 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28819 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01405; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242227.PAA01405@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jake Hamby cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:00:51 PDT." <360AC113.9729A1EC@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:27:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > Er, no, it won't "work", but you will get past the existing problem. > > > > The 'svrmgl' program SEGVs just after starting oracle when you go to > > initialise the database. Soren is working on this one at the moment. > > Ah, thanks for letting me know. Is there a more appropriate mailing > list to find out about the current status of Oracle on FreeBSD? I > couldn't find anything appropriate in the mailing list archives. -emulation is probably the right place for this. I expect that Soren will have something to say when he's gotten somewhere; at the moment the clues are a bit thin on the ground (the app just self-destructs without telling you why). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 15:23:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29015 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29008 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15089 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16157; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:23:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA05071; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:23:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980925002326.17979@follo.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:23:26 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Thomas David Rivers , dan@dpcsys.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... References: <199809242010.QAA17561@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199809242010.QAA17561@lakes.dignus.com>; from Thomas David Rivers on Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 04:10:26PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 04:10:26PM -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > Most things work just fine; it's only the odd HTTP reference that seems > to go ger-flunkers. > > http://www.aol.com is an example of a place where netscape running > on an interior node won't succeed; but netscape running on the gateway > machine works just fine. This is very, very weird. I'd understand it if it was an FTP or IRC DCC request (for these, libalias does in-transit patching of packets in ways that can expand/shrink them, and has a couple of non-conformant assumptions), but HTTP is strange. Can you do any tracing on the host running natd? natd -v, I think it is (though I don't use natd, so you'll have to read the man page). My way of finding these things has so far been to add printf statements to libalias until the problem becomes tractable. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 15:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00435 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00352 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14554; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:29:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd014519; Thu Sep 24 15:29:47 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10429; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:29:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809242229.PAA10429@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? To: jake.hamby@jpl.nasa.gov (Jake Hamby) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <360AAC61.4FE0E3A0@jpl.nasa.gov> from "Jake Hamby" at Sep 24, 98 01:32:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... ] > I'd like to help fix this problem myself, but I don't know where to > begin. I'm assuming that kdump prints the FreeBSD, instead of the Linux > syscalls, so I looked them up and old.recvfrom => mprotect(), while dup2 > => mmap() and #91 => munmap(). Looking at a ktrace from > /compat/linux/bin/sh, it appears that this is a fairly normal part of > startup, and looks like the shared libraries mapping in. > > The only really unusual thing my untrained eye can see is that both > /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.1 and /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 are > being loaded in. But I don't have any idea what to do about it. If I > try copying the newer ld-linux.so.2 as ld-linux.so.1, then FreeBSD > simply complains that it can't find ld-linux.so.1. > > Any ideas? Try again with truss. It uses the right system call names; SEF showed me that, specifically, as a feature of his implementation methodology. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 15:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01147 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01133 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10635; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd010560; Thu Sep 24 15:34:57 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10700; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:34:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809242234.PAA10700@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:34:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: drussell@saturn-tech.com, tlambert@primenet.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809240728.JAA09560@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Sep 24, 98 09:28:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ok, it is vmount-0.6a something... but the author's web site is > unreachable at the moment. Does someone have a copy of this by chance ? > (this does not solve my problem yet, but it is at least a starting > point). > > One more question for those who have some knowledge of NTFS. Just > how complex is to locate say one file in the root directory ? It's not hard. > The idea would be have the boot block (512 bytes) locate and suck in a > predefined file using BIOS calls, so the only problem would be to find > out the parameters to pass to the bios. A better way would be to modify the FreeBSD boot blocks to read NTFS instead of UFS. Note that the use of the NT boot loader simplifies this, since it can have a very large boot image that it loads from (see the handbook). The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only file store without modification (the existance of which was posted about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). For writing, there are VFS changes needed, and you have to be careful to construct the logs *exactly* the right way; this isn't too hard to infer, but it's work (the great crystalline entity, with whom I've learned to communicate...). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 16:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06540 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06497 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01642 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242311.QAA01642@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:11:18 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: Linux Sybase on FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Linux Sybase on FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:11:18 -0700 From: Mike Smith Well, after a little tinkering, some results: - Firstly, the license does prohibit you from using Sybase under emulation. You should ring or mail Sybase and complain bitterly about this. (This isn't a Caldera issue, it's in all the releases.) - Everything is linked shared against glibc. This means you need to be super-current and have the right libraries. - Secondly, the get-you started html guide is pretty good; follow it, but also watch the install logfile (it tells you where it is when it starts). You can ignore it failing to create the 'tmp' file, but when it claims buildmaster fails you may have to run it yourself. All the arguments are in the logfile. - When the installer tries to start the database, it will fail unless you have *lots* of shared memory available; in the default case it wants about 10M. You can achieve this with: options "SHMMAXPGS=4096" options "SHMMAX=(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" in your kernel config. Be warned; with this you will probably want at least 64M in your system. I'd appreciate hearing from any experienced Sybase admins who get this far, or who have other suggestions. - -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 16:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07323 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07310 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01676; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809242314.QAA01676@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: jake.hamby@jpl.nasa.gov (Jake Hamby), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I run glibc Linux binaries (RedHat 5.x) on FreeBSD (CURRENT)? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:29:46 -0000." <199809242229.PAA10429@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:14:44 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > The only really unusual thing my untrained eye can see is that both > > /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.1 and /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 are > > being loaded in. But I don't have any idea what to do about it. If I > > try copying the newer ld-linux.so.2 as ld-linux.so.1, then FreeBSD > > simply complains that it can't find ld-linux.so.1. > > > > Any ideas? > > Try again with truss. It uses the right system call names; SEF > showed me that, specifically, as a feature of his implementation > methodology. linux_kdump does that, and it gets the ioctls right too. But this has nothing to do with the problem, which is that the old code was using the wrong shared linker. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 16:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09161 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09156 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40331>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:16:19 +1000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:16:36 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Idea for a small project... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <98Sep25.091619est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:20:24 -0400 (EDT), Thomas David Rivers wrote: > The Pentium chip has improved support for debugging programs, including > a hardware assisted databreak manager. Note that this feature pre-dates the Pentium. I think it was introduced with the 386, it's definitely part of the 486. > A nice improvement to FreeBSD would be to improve the ptrace() support > so that it used the hardware assisted feature when running on a Pentium. And to modify GDB so it supports them. This latter task shouldn't be too difficult since GDB already supports i386 hardware watchpoints on both Linux and SCO. > The feature is limited in the number of breakpoints you can manage; > extra credit would be to not expose this limitation. This doesn't belong in the kernel. ptrace(2) should just make the existing debug registers visible to a debugger (this is what GDB expects). I'm not sure if GDB transparently handles switching between hardware and software watchpoints. > Use the hardware > break point feature for the first N watch points (I believe N would > be 4 in this case) I believe you can have a total of 4 hardware watch/breakpoints, but I don't think that a single hardware watchpoint is sufficiently general to allow watching an arbitrary C variable (ie watching one variable may need more than one hardware watchpoint slot). Note that implementing this will require the debug registers to be saved on a task switch, which means struct user will change, so it's not totally trivial. Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 19:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04791 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04769 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02680 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27329; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:09:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA24139; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:08:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199809250008.BAA24139@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Thomas David Rivers cc: dan@dpcsys.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:10:26 EDT." <199809242010.QAA17561@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:08:42 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; > > > and maybe 3.0. > > > > > > But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to > > > the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just > > > an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never > > > make it. > > > > I had a 2.2.6 box w/ natd and ipfw handling a bunch of PCs at a > > trade show a month ago. Everything worked just fine. And while > > I never tried to get to AOL I'm sure several of the booth visitors > > did. > > > > Do you only see this with the URL above or some subset of the > > Internet or does nothing work? > > Most things work just fine; it's only the odd HTTP reference that seems > to go ger-flunkers. > > http://www.aol.com is an example of a place where netscape running > on an interior node won't succeed; but netscape running on the gateway > machine works just fine. I can get www.aol.com with: woof --->(LAN)---> gate --->(ppp -alias) ---> 'net ---> aol.com Are you sure this isn't a tcp_extensions problem ? > - Dave Rivers - -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 19:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12159 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12134 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Received: from WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (webbsd1.turnaround.com.au [203.39.138.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04110 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TurnAround.com.au (ras6.turnaround.com.au [192.168.1.116] (may be forged)) by WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17575; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:50:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Message-ID: <360B0352.E5961E4@TurnAround.com.au> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:43:31 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Organization: Turnaround Solutions Pty. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Thomas CC: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Idea for a small project... References: <199809241502.KAA24546@us.networkcs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Good idea I think. No reinvention of the wheel would occur this way. First thing on the list should be to work on the page. That's as close as I'll come to volunteering but, pending some kind of response, I'd be happy to put together a servlet/cgi web based form or something similar. Joe Shevland TurnAround Solutions Joseph Thomas wrote: > > Mike Smith writes in personal email... > > > > > > > > > > I realize this is making work, but, if someone is looking for a way > > > > to contribute, or a graduate student/senior computer science major > > > > is looking for a good term project... this might be one. > > > > > > The hardest thing is actually recording these sort of things and > > > putting a list somewhere for us to point people at. Would you mind > > > perhaps submitting this to the handbook, or perhaps starting a page of > > > "interesting projects"? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > [Mike, I hope you don't mind me posting this on to hackers, perhaps > > someone with excellent network connectivity would volunteer to host?] > > > > Good idea! I see, from time to time, people asking "what can I do". > > A page of interesting small things to start on would be an excellent > > place to point people. [Of course, that's one of the first things > > to go on the "interesting projects list." :-) ] > > > > Also, I should add that this is something to consider well *after* > > the up-coming releases... Everyone is busy enough already :-) > > > > Seems like a page would be preferable to the handbook - but - I'm > > not sure... opinions? > > > > - Dave Rivers - > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > Not that I'm good with forms (that's what our graohics group > is for) but it seems to me that it might also be nice to have a way > that people could register as "I'm working on this" as well as others > to know who those people are... This makes me lean towards have a page > rather than sticking it in the handbook. > > -- > Joseph Thomas E/Mail: jpt@networkcs.com > Network Computing Services, Inc. jpt@magic.net > 1200 Washington Ave So. Tel: +1 612 337 3558 > Minneapolis, MN 55415-1227 FAX: +1 612 337 3400 > > An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 20:01:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13741 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (max1-85.airnet.net [207.242.81.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13736 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02034 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:01:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Message-ID: <360B0772.8B870048@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:01:06 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 1998-09-16 Briefing on Encryption (fwd) References: <01bde6f4$ff85a800$858266ce@violet.ezo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > "Jim Flowers" writes: > > I think the problem is that bxa has changed their server host and hasn't > > setup a new www record and, not having used a CNAME record strategy, it's > > toast. Good argument for indirection. > > Come on guys, where's your investigative sense? The real bug is that > whichever kook is currently handling NS at bxa.doc.gov fscked up his > zone file: > Are we to the point of re-posting a copy of the article? I have a copy here I saved. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 20:30:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17905 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17840 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA25993; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:59:40 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA20434; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:59:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980925125915.A12701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:59:15 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Jeremy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Large project: Improved debugger (was: Idea for a small project...) References: <98Sep25.091619est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <98Sep25.091619est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>; from Peter Jeremy on Fri, Sep 25, 1998 at 09:16:36AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I didn't see this (the subject line didn't attract me enough...) On Friday, 25 September 1998 at 9:16:36 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:20:24 -0400 (EDT), Thomas David Rivers wrote: >> The Pentium chip has improved support for debugging programs, including >> a hardware assisted databreak manager. > > Note that this feature pre-dates the Pentium. I think it was introduced > with the 386, it's definitely part of the 486. Correct on both counts. IIRC you have four debug registers which can break on instruction fetch, data read, data write or I/O. I implemented a kernel debugger (Lowbug) which included these features for BSD/386 back in 1992. >> A nice improvement to FreeBSD would be to improve the ptrace() support >> so that it used the hardware assisted feature when running on a Pentium. > > And to modify GDB so it supports them. This latter task shouldn't be > too difficult since GDB already supports i386 hardware watchpoints on > both Linux and SCO. I looked at this a year or two after writing the debugger. The code really turned me off, and I decided that it *would* be too difficult. >> The feature is limited in the number of breakpoints you can manage; >> extra credit would be to not expose this limitation. > > This doesn't belong in the kernel. ptrace(2) should just make the > existing debug registers visible to a debugger (this is what GDB > expects). I'm not sure if GDB transparently handles switching between > hardware and software watchpoints. > >> Use the hardware >> break point feature for the first N watch points (I believe N would >> be 4 in this case) > > I believe you can have a total of 4 hardware watch/breakpoints, but > I don't think that a single hardware watchpoint is sufficiently > general to allow watching an arbitrary C variable (ie watching one > variable may need more than one hardware watchpoint slot). That depends. Again from memory, I think you can specify the width of the object which is accessed (1, 2 or 4 bytes). > Note that implementing this will require the debug registers to be > saved on a task switch, which means struct user will change, so it's > not totally trivial. I once tried to port Lowbug to FreeBSD. I didn't succeed (mainly lack of time; I had expected it to drop in, and it got caught on a rough edge on the way in), but I have for some time been thinking about a reimplementation of a debugger. I don't really like gdb, and it would be nice to have the same interface both within the kernel and outside it. I've been holding off for a number of reasons, one of them that I didn't really want to reinvent the wheel for a.out, but that's no longer a problem. So... What I propose is: - Debugger for both userland and kernel, including both kind of crash dumps. - No deliberate restrictions on portability, but no attempt to make it as portable as gdb (with the consequent lack of legibility). - Should do everything that current debuggers can do, and then some. This last point is the problem, of course. Lowbug had some features that other debuggers don't, but it was also missing some features, notably disassembly and access to source files. It's obvious that it needs them. But what else does it need? I'd welcome other ideas. For example, how important is gdb compatibility in the debugger commands and debugger output? I personally think that the gdb syntax is less than pleasant. I suppose it's time to come up with a feature list, which I'll keep up-to-date at http://www.lemis.com/debugger.html. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 20:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18859 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.84.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18845 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dberlin@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu) Received: from localhost by danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu via sendmail with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Berlin To: Luigi Rizzo cc: Doug Russell , tlambert@primenet.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809240728.JAA09560@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ok, it is vmount-0.6a something... but the author's web site is > unreachable at the moment. Does someone have a copy of this by chance ? > (this does not solve my problem yet, but it is at least a starting > point). > > One more question for those who have some knowledge of NTFS. Just > how complex is to locate say one file in the root directory ? > The idea would be have the boot block (512 bytes) locate and suck in a > predefined file using BIOS calls, so the only problem would be to find > out the parameters to pass to the bios. Ho ho, you obviously haven't had fun with NTFS before. Which version 3,4, or the upcoming 5? It gets better, because your routines to read will almost work on the incompatible versions. You have to sneak up it. I could try to get you the info you need, but I doubt i'd be able to without violating an NDA or twelve (it's almost illegal for me to talk about anything). Sucks. I'd send you MSDN cd's but there is nothing on there about NTFS (i mean, who would need specs, since MS already writes the FS drivers, right?) > > At the very extreme, these values could be hardwired into the boot > sector using a program while running in NT itself, and then act at the > next reboot ? Possibly. Well, wait. It might not let you. I haven't particularly tried writing a boot sector in a while. > > cheers > luigi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 21:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22894 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cafe.dibbs.net (ppp123.dibbs.net [198.79.30.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22838 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@cafe.dibbs.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cafe.dibbs.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00769; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:31:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:31:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809211131.GAA00769@cafe.dibbs.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook5.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8rel.2 X-Personal_name: lane Holcombe From: lane@dibbs.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG SUBSCRIBE (gee I hope that worked!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 21:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24917 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24911 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA11481; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:51:26 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809250251.EAA11481@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:51:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: drussell@saturn-tech.com, tlambert@primenet.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809242234.PAA10700@usr02.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Sep 24, 98 10:34:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The idea would be have the boot block (512 bytes) locate and suck in a > > predefined file using BIOS calls, so the only problem would be to find > > out the parameters to pass to the bios. > > A better way would be to modify the FreeBSD boot blocks to read > NTFS instead of UFS. which is essentially what i meant above -- just with the simplification that i only wanted to look in the root directory etc. > Note that the use of the NT boot loader simplifies this, since it can > have a very large boot image that it loads from (see the handbook). i wonder just how large... because if it can contain a full kernel one can simply construct a boot made by a small relocator and a regular kernel. > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. I know that mounting a UFS from a readonly media recently seems not to work (but in 2.2.1 times i managed to dump a UFS partition to a CD and was also able to mount the CD as UFS and read from it) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 21:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26725 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms19.hinet.net (ms19.hinet.net [168.95.4.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26165; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bu006x@ms22.hinet.net) Received: from mbr002223 (h80.s3.ts32.hinet.net [163.32.3.80]) by ms19.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04900; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:50:13 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:50:13 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199809250450.MAA04900@ms19.hinet.net> From: mbs006402@ms19.hinet.net Subject: ¥§ªyº¸_ÁÚ¦VÅq®p¡@ýyúA dûBûB dúAýy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [tw] (Win95; I) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=BIG5 to: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ¥§ªyº¸ ÁÚ¦VÅq®p ¤K¤é¡@ýyúA dûBûB dúAýy «C¬K ¬¡¤O ±´¯Á¥j¤å©ú ¤Ñ¨Ïªº°ê«× ¨C¶g¤G¥Xµo:09/29.10/06.10/13.10/20.10/27.11/03 ¡@ ¦L«×ºëµØ ¶Àª÷¦L¶H ¤C¤é µn®p³y·¥ ÃÀ³N»P·R±¡ªº·¥¦Üªí²{ ¨C¶g¤é¥Xµo:09/27.10/04.10/11.10/18.10/25.11/01 ¡@ ´µ¨½Äõ¥d¦ò°ê´MÄ_ ¤C¤é ´ç°²¥ð¶¢·¥«~ ´¹¼üªºÄ_¥Û ¦ò±Ð¤å¤ÆªºÄ_Âà ¨C¶g¤@¥Xµo:09/28.10/05.10/12.10/19.10/26.11/02. ¡@ ³£¥u­n29,900.¤¸12¤ë20¤é«e ¶¶¹F®È¹C//±ë¶¶°Ñ®È ¹q¸Ü:02-¤G¤­¤»¤@-¤»¤­¤­¤»(¥N) úA dûBûB dúAýy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 23:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03591 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citrine.cyberstation.net (citrine.cyberstation.net [205.167.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03583 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djw@cyberstation.net) Received: from localhost (djw@localhost) by citrine.cyberstation.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA29761 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:06:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:06:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Dan Walters To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ccd & dump Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone have any tips on how to dump a ccd device? I just get something to the tune of "/dev/ccd0c: Permission denied." This is with 2.2 stable. ====================================================================== Dan Walters djw@cyberstation.net ====================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 23:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04484 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles360.castles.com [208.214.167.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04470 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00505; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809250617.XAA00505@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:51:26 +0200." <199809250251.EAA11481@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:17:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Note that the use of the NT boot loader simplifies this, since it can > > have a very large boot image that it loads from (see the handbook). > > i wonder just how large... because if it can contain a full kernel one > can simply construct a boot made by a small relocator and a regular > kernel. You could take the BTX loader (not BTX itself) and use it for this; see src/sys/boot/i386/btx/btxldr. It's fully relocating and just generally super-wonderful. You'll possibly need to fake up some of the bootinfo struct though. You could also get away with the new bootloader, which could easily grow an NTFS filesystem module, and could be loaded in the fashion described above. > > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. Terry is quite fond of the myth he puts forward above, despite the fact that many people over the years have proven that FreeBSD runs quite happily from readonly media (me too). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 24 23:32:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06169 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06164 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07661; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd007630; Thu Sep 24 23:31:51 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14619; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:31:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809250631.XAA14619@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809250251.EAA11481@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Sep 25, 98 04:51:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Note that the use of the NT boot loader simplifies this, since it can > > have a very large boot image that it loads from (see the handbook). > > i wonder just how large... because if it can contain a full kernel one > can simply construct a boot made by a small relocator and a regular > kernel. One full cylinder. > > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. Right. Now try to make the /var/run/pid files... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 00:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13049 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13018 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:07:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA11625; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:18:44 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199809250518.HAA11625@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:18:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809250631.XAA14619@usr01.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Sep 25, 98 06:31:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. > > Right. Now try to make the /var/run/pid files... mfs and vnconfig are your friend there. Performance varies depending on what you have (lots of ram, swap on local partition/file on supported fs type/swap over nfs) of course... cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 00:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13608 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles360.castles.com [208.214.167.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13550 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00938; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809250715.AAA00938@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:31:45 -0000." <199809250631.XAA14619@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:15:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Note that the use of the NT boot loader simplifies this, since it can > > > have a very large boot image that it loads from (see the handbook). > > > > i wonder just how large... because if it can contain a full kernel one > > can simply construct a boot made by a small relocator and a regular > > kernel. > > One full cylinder. Ick. Not enough. > > > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > > > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > > > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). > > > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. > > Right. Now try to make the /var/run/pid files... You don't need these to boot, or to run in most cases. Procfs largely obsoletes pid files, see eg. 'killall'. You can live without changing permissions on tty/pty device nodes in some (not all) cases too. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 00:25:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15498 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-57.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15473 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00775 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sysctl descriptions.. sorta.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Welp, it's here.. I figured that the easiest way to go about adding some way to retreive descriptions for individual sysctls/mibs/whatever you want to call them was to add a syscall. So I've put some diffs that should add a new syscall (getsyscalldescr(2)) to achieve this (and also attempt to document a few more sysctls) at http://www.wenet.net/~garbanzo/junk. A small example of how to use this is also available at the afformentioned URL. HTH somebody. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 00:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18246 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles360.castles.com [208.214.167.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18240 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01220; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809250748.AAA01220@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alex cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysctl descriptions.. sorta.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:26:40 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:48:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Welp, it's here.. I figured that the easiest way to go about adding some > way to retreive descriptions for individual sysctls/mibs/whatever you want > to call them was to add a syscall. > > So I've put some diffs that should add a new syscall (getsyscalldescr(2)) > to achieve this (and also attempt to document a few more sysctls) at > http://www.wenet.net/~garbanzo/junk. A small example of how to use this is > also available at the afformentioned URL. Wrong way to do it. Use another "magic" method; see kern/kern_sysctl for the existing "magic" methods. I'd use {0,5,...} in the same fashion as {0,4,...} is already implemented. Should be very easy. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 02:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04202 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA04195 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 10327 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 09:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.6) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 09:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <360B64E7.305EB1BD@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:39:51 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Avalon Books CC: Dennis , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the de driver dead? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Avalon Books wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Dennis wrote: -snip- > > The card you site is not a 21040 nor a -AC or later, so how is this relevant? > > > > The first problem is that there is seemingly no way to get the 10/100 cards > > to work on a 10mb/s network as they "autosense" wrong and when set > > manually do not work with the DE driver. > > > > db > > > > Considering the 21041A is a 21040 with a few minor firmware revisions I > think it might be relevent. It seems the de driver itself has been > essentially unchanged in quite a while, and I think it might of a value to > determine why the supposed problems with the de driver manifest themselves > the way they do. And those of us in the hardware business find > multi-platform and third party testing to be extremely useful for locating > both software and hardware flaws. For all we know, the chip isn't at > fault--maybe its a bus interfacing problem, or an interface compliance > problem, or who knows what else... I've also had problems at the 2.2.6 times with Accton 10/100 cards with DECchip. It wasn't autodetecting and I couldn't get it to actually connect to the hub. Win95 worked fine. I don't remeber the exact type (I think it was 21041A) but I can probably dig such a card up and test it if that helps to solve the problem. Bill, are you interested in yet another driver to hack?. PS: We are an Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B exclusive shop now :) -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 02:41:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04413 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA04408 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 10332 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 09:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.6) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 09:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: <360B654A.C8AAE53@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:41:30 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis CC: Joe Greco , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is de driver dead? References: <199809241632.QAA00857@etinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dennis wrote: > > At 12:16 AM 9/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > >(re: Dennis wanting to know about the de driver) > > > >I'm running four SMC-9334BDT's in a 2.2.7-R box. Works fine. I'm > >reasonably certain that these are -AC based cards. > > > >ASUS P/I-P55T2P4, rev 3.1 MB... > > are you running them at 100mb/s? the -ABs work at 10 ok, but > the -ACs "claim" to be on 100 and when set to 10 dont work. Yea, thats exactly the problem I saw (see my other mail). -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 06:17:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01043 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01034 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b_jenkins@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980925130946.7967.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.206.246.46] by send1d; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:09:46 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Jenkins Subject: PCMCIA Controller Not Found To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sshetty@andrew.cmu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 and PAO-980430 on a single board computer with a PCMCIA add-on board. The PCMCIA controller chip is a Cirrus Logic CL-PD6730, but the PCI code is not finding it. I just received the information below from the manufacturer. What is the best way to modify the kernel source code in order to get this working? Brian Jenkins b_jenkins@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------- The PCI configuration registers are accessed at I/O ports 0CF8h & 0CFCh. 0CF8h is the index register and 0CFCh is the data register. All accesses must be long word accesses. The high word of the index will be 8000h, and the low word has the target device in the high 5 bits of the high byte, (sub fucntions, if present would be in the low 3 bits) and the byte address of the data in the low byte. Our PCMCIA adaptor (if the first slice on the stack, which is the case for you) is device 4, so the indeces for the PCI configuration registers are 80002000, 80002004, 80002008 etc. Register 1 needs to have 43h ORed in, to enable parity checking, and enabling PCI memory and I/O accesses, and 03E0h must be ORed into register 4 to set that as the standard base for operations that I would expect your drivers to expect to find the controller at. Here is a block of code that should acomplish this: mov dx,CF8h ; pointer to index mov eax,80002004h ; index of register 1 out dx,eax ; set it mov dx,CFCh ; pointer to data in eax,dx ; get the current data or ax,43h ; set the required bits (which are in the low word) out dx,eax ; shove the altered data back out mov dx,CF8h ; pointer to index (again) mov eax,80002010h ; index of register 4 out dx,eax ; set it mov dx,CFCh ; pointer to data in eax,dx ; get the current data or ax,3E0h ; set the required bits (which are in the low word) out dx,eax ; shove this altered data back out This must all happen before your PCMCIA driver(s) start to install. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 07:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12721 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12712 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20499; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:58:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:58:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Mike Smith cc: Doug Russell , Terry Lambert , jflowers@ezo.net, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? In-Reply-To: <199809242011.NAA00475@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > It would be ultra-nifty if one could write to NTFS partitions, and even > > create/format them. I could see possiblities of using this on a PicoBSD > > floppy to rebuild dead NT workstations, much like what I'm going to try > > to do for Win95 on FAT16 (I'll consider FAT32 as nonexistent.. it > > sucks). :-) > > Don't do that; we can create and initialise fat32 filesystems, and Don't do what? FAT32 sucks, performance-wise. I'd rather lose 20 or 30MB on a humungous drive (disk space is cheap) and have to split it up in "little" 2GB partitions than decrease my overall filesystem performance by at least 50% (at least thats how much slower FAT32 feels when compared to FAT16 on the same box). > you'll find a lot of them on Win9x systems. See the manpage for > newfs_msdos(8). Not MY Win95 systems. All 500+ of our client machines run FAT16. I was originally pondering the niftyness of NTFS read/write support in FreeBSD.. I knew but didn't care that we had FAT32 support. :-) I already _have_ a rather complex process to rebuild dead Win95 boxen (and keep the software I want on them the way I want them). All i need to do now to perfect the process is make a PicoBSD floppy with various NIC drivers, DHCP client, Sharity Light (or some other way to mount an SMB share), and maybe even Perl (I'm probably dreaming there, though I could stick a bunch of utilities on the mounted share, i suppose). Right now I'm just using a MS Client for DOS boot disk to do the job, and its horrid. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 08:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13131 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA05118; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199809251501.IAA05118@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: djw@cyberstation.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd & dump In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:06:55 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dan Walters >Does anyone have any tips on how to dump a ccd device? I just get >something to the tune of "/dev/ccd0c: Permission denied." This is with >2.2 stable. As long as the effective {user,group} ID associated with the process has permission to read the raw dev (/dev/rccd0c), it should work just fine. For example, I'm using amanda, set up to run as user "operator" (which I've manually added to group "operator"), and here's a machine that amanda backs up that uses ccd: crab[3]% ls -l /dev/*ccd0c brw-r----- 1 root wheel 21, 2 Jan 15 1997 /dev/ccd0c crw-r----- 1 root operator 74, 2 Apr 29 1997 /dev/rccd0c david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 09:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25446 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25441 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@garbo.lodgenet.com) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA20700 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:19:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199809251619.LAA20700@garbo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Improved ddb support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:23:15 +0000 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My appologies if anyone's seen this before, I've been having mail problems. Thomas David Rivers writes: > > The Pentium chip has improved support for debugging programs, including > a hardware assisted databreak manager. A lot of the improved debugging stuff goes back to the original i386 (according to my databooks). The only thing the Pent added was the ability to do breaks on IO-port accesses. I've got some test stuff that I threw into a ddb extension. It adds two ddb commands: `nm' to get at the symbol table; and `hbp' to get at the hardware debug stuff. Check the readme for more details. http://www.freebsd.org/~erich/ddb-patches.tgz It's not as nicely integrated with ddb as it could be, but it's functional. Luck, Eric -- Eric L. Hernes erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich -- Eric L. Hernes erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 09:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00320 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00307 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03274 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:56:44 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809251656.MAA03274@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: RealTek + memory mapped registers + SMP == ?*%^(#!! To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:56:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Uhm... this is a question for those with more hardware clues than I. Originally I set up the RealTek driver to use PCI memory mapped mode to access the chip registers. This worked fine on the development machine I used, which is a single processor Dell Optiplex GX1 (PII, 400Mhz). SMP machines don't seem to like it though. I also have a Dell PowerEdge 2300/400 machine (dual PII 400Mhz, 256MB RAM) and on this machine, the driver causes the system to lock up when doing certain register access operations. It looks like the problem is performing multiple register accesses in rapid succession. For example, the first place it locks up is when attempting to load the MAC address: there's a small for(;;) loop like this: /* Init our MAC address */ for (i = 0; i < ETHER_ADDR_LEN; i++) { CSR_WRITE_1(sc, RL_IDR0 + i, sc->arpcom.ac_enaddr[i]); } The machine grinds to a halt at this point. The same thing happens with a uniprocessor kernel on the same hardware. If I switch to using programmed I/O mode, everything works fine. (I updated the driver at www.freebsd.org/~wpaul so that PIO mode is now the default.) Can anyone think of a reason why this would happen? The machine also has two Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B adapters, and the fxp driver, which also uses memory mapped access, works fine. I suspect that there's just something bogus about the RealTek chip that's causing it, but I don't know what. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 10:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02628 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08525 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA03610; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29616; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id NAA19772; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809251707.NAA19772@lakes.dignus.com> To: brian@Awfulhak.org, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... Cc: dan@dpcsys.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199809250008.BAA24139@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian writes: > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; > > > > and maybe 3.0. > > > > > > > > But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to > > > > the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just > > > > an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never > > > > make it. > > > > > > I had a 2.2.6 box w/ natd and ipfw handling a bunch of PCs at a > > > trade show a month ago. Everything worked just fine. And while > > > I never tried to get to AOL I'm sure several of the booth visitors > > > did. > > > > > > Do you only see this with the URL above or some subset of the > > > Internet or does nothing work? > > > > Most things work just fine; it's only the odd HTTP reference that seems > > to go ger-flunkers. > > > > http://www.aol.com is an example of a place where netscape running > > on an interior node won't succeed; but netscape running on the gateway > > machine works just fine. > > I can get www.aol.com with: > > woof --->(LAN)---> gate --->(ppp -alias) ---> 'net ---> aol.com > > Are you sure this isn't a tcp_extensions problem ? > Nope - not sure. I do have TCP extensions enabled on the gateway machine. Also - however - I'm not using ppp -alias, I'm using natd and SL/IP. But, they both go through libalias, don't they? So, that shouldn't matter... I'll try turning off TCP extensions and seeing what happens. - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 11:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11938 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11933 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23227; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809251750.KAA23227@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill Paul Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealTek + memory mapped registers + SMP == ?*%^(#!! Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:50:24 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Bill Paul wrote: > Can anyone think of a reason why this would happen? The machine also > has two Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B adapters, and the fxp driver, which > also uses memory mapped access, works fine. I suspect that there's > just something bogus about the RealTek chip that's causing it, but I > don't know what. What can I say? PC hardware sucks! :-) Seriously, though, some chips just don't do memory-mapped access properly, or sometimes have problems when used with some PCI-Host bridges or some PCI-PCI bridges. (E.g. on my main NetBSD development system, I have a PCI expansion backplane which uses DC21050s; memory-mapped access behind that bridge simply Loses on my system, a PPro w/ a 82441 PCI-Host bridge. It works fine on an Alpha and on a PPro system w/ an 82454 PCI-Host bridge.) What we (NetBSD) do in the case of the device losing (i.e. TI ThunderLAN in TI laptop docking stations) is just quirk the device and say - "Ok, you get to use i/o-mapped access. Sorry!" In the case of a bridge losing, we quirk the chipset and disable either memory- or i/o-mapped access via flags in the PCI device attach args. Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 940 5942 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 11:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14499 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14493 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00418; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809251825.LAA00418@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bill Paul cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealTek + memory mapped registers + SMP == ?*%^(#!! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:56:42 EDT." <199809251656.MAA03274@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:25:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Uhm... this is a question for those with more hardware clues than I. > Originally I set up the RealTek driver to use PCI memory mapped mode to > access the chip registers. This worked fine on the development machine > I used, which is a single processor Dell Optiplex GX1 (PII, 400Mhz). > > SMP machines don't seem to like it though. I also have a Dell PowerEdge > 2300/400 machine (dual PII 400Mhz, 256MB RAM) and on this machine, the > driver causes the system to lock up when doing certain register access > operations. It looks like the problem is performing multiple register > accesses in rapid succession. For example, the first place it locks up > is when attempting to load the MAC address: there's a small for(;;) > loop like this: > > /* Init our MAC address */ > for (i = 0; i < ETHER_ADDR_LEN; i++) { > CSR_WRITE_1(sc, RL_IDR0 + i, sc->arpcom.ac_enaddr[i]); > } > > The machine grinds to a halt at this point. The same thing happens > with a uniprocessor kernel on the same hardware. If I switch to using > programmed I/O mode, everything works fine. (I updated the driver at > www.freebsd.org/~wpaul so that PIO mode is now the default.) > > Can anyone think of a reason why this would happen? The machine also > has two Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B adapters, and the fxp driver, which > also uses memory mapped access, works fine. I suspect that there's > just something bogus about the RealTek chip that's causing it, but I > don't know what. I would hazard a guess that the problem has to do with the fact that memory operations don't behave the same as I/O operations. It would be interesting to know if the memory-mapped registers are marked as "cacheable", or "write-combined". I doubt, given your colourful descriptions of the RealTek device's design, whether it would be able to handle memory accesses that didn't look like I/O accesses (possibly out of order, possibly combined or part of a cache line writeout if those options were set). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 11:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15522 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15517; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00465; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809251834.LAA00465@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brian Jenkins cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, sshetty@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA Controller Not Found In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:09:46 PDT." <19980925130946.7967.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:34:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian; from the output that you've provided us so far, it seems clear that the system BIOS is not correctly locating and configuring the CL-PD6730, which is why we aren't finding it. If the device isn't configured by the PCI BIOS, it's quite inappropriate for us to attempt to assign resources to it. While the hack proposed below may work in your case, it's not a useful general solution, and you should pursue your vendor to have them explain why their PCI BIOS is not enumerating and configuring the board. > I have installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 and PAO-980430 on a single board > computer with a PCMCIA add-on board. The PCMCIA controller chip is a > Cirrus Logic CL-PD6730, but the PCI code is not finding it. I just > received the information below from the manufacturer. What is the > best way to modify the kernel source code in order to get this working? You could add some code to the PCI bus initialisation which would use the pci_conf_read/write routines to make the appropriate changes. The "best" way to do this would involve having the BIOS enumerate and enable the device, and then perhaps adding some trivial code in pcic_p.c. As it stands, however, it's not clear that even the code below will actually be sufficient. If you're not comfortable wrangling with your vendor, please send me a copy of the verbose boot output again, along with your technical contact with the vendor and the details of your hardware (model numbers, BIOS revisions, etc.), and I'll see if we can address this. > Brian Jenkins > b_jenkins@yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------- > The PCI configuration registers are accessed at I/O ports 0CF8h & 0CFCh. > > 0CF8h is the index register and 0CFCh is the data register. All > accesses must be long word accesses. The high word of the index will > be 8000h, and the low word has the target device in the high 5 bits of > the high byte, (sub fucntions, if present would be in the low 3 bits) > and the byte address of the data in the low byte. Our PCMCIA adaptor > (if the first slice on the stack, which is the case for you) is device > 4, so the indeces for the PCI configuration registers are 80002000, > 80002004, 80002008 etc. > > Register 1 needs to have 43h ORed in, to enable parity checking, and > enabling PCI memory and I/O accesses, and 03E0h must be ORed into > register 4 to set that as the standard base for operations that I > would expect your drivers to expect to find the controller at. Here > is a block of code that should acomplish this: > > mov dx,CF8h ; pointer to index > mov eax,80002004h ; index of register 1 > out dx,eax ; set it > mov dx,CFCh ; pointer to data > in eax,dx ; get the current data > or ax,43h ; set the required bits (which are in the low word) > out dx,eax ; shove the altered data back out > mov dx,CF8h ; pointer to index (again) > mov eax,80002010h ; index of register 4 > out dx,eax ; set it > mov dx,CFCh ; pointer to data > in eax,dx ; get the current data > or ax,3E0h ; set the required bits (which are in the low word) > out dx,eax ; shove this altered data back out > > This must all happen before your PCMCIA driver(s) start to install. > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 12:00:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20903 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20846 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-e.isi.edu [128.9.160.240]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06215; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809251857.LAA06215@tnt.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith Cc: Brian Jenkins , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA Controller Not Found In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:34:58 PDT." <199809251834.LAA00465@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:57:55 -0700 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mike Smith wrote: >> I have installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 and PAO-980430 on a single board >> computer with a PCMCIA add-on board. The PCMCIA controller chip is a >> Cirrus Logic CL-PD6730, but the PCI code is not finding it. I just >> received the information below from the manufacturer. What is the >> best way to modify the kernel source code in order to get this working? > >The "best" way to do this would involve having the BIOS enumerate and >enable the device, and then perhaps adding some trivial code in >pcic_p.c. As it stands, however, it's not clear that even the code >below will actually be sufficient. I'm happy to help him get pcic_p.c to properly configure his controller once we can see it on the PCI bus. The chip is currenlty unsupported, but the support seems pretty easy to add. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNgvnsYb4eisfQ5rpAQH1/wP/aWNPd7/OHA0OqVCbWRBjhuidm/d8raT5 7lzeHhaTdu5Xx3MYtU7DOlYB9FS0TbC4UzCBI9UTOZfTxCHnEBHrYNJtQX83+1OP lID7qBJAJDLy5B5fNQD3suFlTkTuNgc6+jAm99Zir9FOT99cpt6yY2dF/rEHiVju rLNHmh206EE= =aOgQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 12:05:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:05:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21626 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00742; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199809251909.MAA00742@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Ted Faber cc: Mike Smith , Brian Jenkins , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA Controller Not Found In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:57:55 PDT." <199809251857.LAA06215@tnt.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > >The "best" way to do this would involve having the BIOS enumerate and > >enable the device, and then perhaps adding some trivial code in > >pcic_p.c. As it stands, however, it's not clear that even the code > >below will actually be sufficient. > > I'm happy to help him get pcic_p.c to properly configure his > controller once we can see it on the PCI bus. The chip is currenlty > unsupported, but the support seems pretty easy to add. Cool. Hopefully we can work out whether it's a BIOS issue or whether this is some sort of funky not-really-PCI device. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 14:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19569 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19488 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17531 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA06065; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00340; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA20347; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199809252153.RAA20347@lakes.dignus.com> To: brian@Awfulhak.org, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... Cc: dan@dpcsys.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199809251707.NAA19772@lakes.dignus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dave Rivers writes: > Brian writes: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > > I'm using 2.2.6 - and perhaps this has already been addressed in 2.2.7; > > > > > and maybe 3.0. > > > > > > > > > > But, on an "interior" host (one which is not directly connected to > > > > > the internet); when I use netscape and try to get to AOL (it's just > > > > > an example page I've found), I discover that the page will never > > > > > make it. > > > > > > > > I had a 2.2.6 box w/ natd and ipfw handling a bunch of PCs at a > > > > trade show a month ago. Everything worked just fine. And while > > > > I never tried to get to AOL I'm sure several of the booth visitors > > > > did. > > > > > > > > Do you only see this with the URL above or some subset of the > > > > Internet or does nothing work? > > > > > > Most things work just fine; it's only the odd HTTP reference that seems > > > to go ger-flunkers. > > > > > > http://www.aol.com is an example of a place where netscape running > > > on an interior node won't succeed; but netscape running on the gateway > > > machine works just fine. > > > > I can get www.aol.com with: > > > > woof --->(LAN)---> gate --->(ppp -alias) ---> 'net ---> aol.com > > > > Are you sure this isn't a tcp_extensions problem ? > > > > Nope - not sure. I do have TCP extensions enabled on the gateway machine. > > Also - however - I'm not using ppp -alias, I'm using natd and SL/IP. But, > they both go through libalias, don't they? So, that shouldn't matter... > > I'll try turning off TCP extensions and seeing what happens. > > - Dave Rivers - > Well - I turned off TCP extensions on the gateway machine - no effect. The gateway can get to http://www.aol.com; an interior machine will simply not be able to retrieve the page. Now, this is with 2.2.6 - do you happen to be using 2.2.7? - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 15:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27404 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27393 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18516; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd018496; Fri Sep 25 15:32:24 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20186; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:32:11 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809252232.PAA20186@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, tlambert@primenet.com, drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809250617.XAA00505@word.smith.net.au> from "Mike Smith" at Sep 24, 98 11:17:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > > > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > > > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). > > > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. > > Terry is quite fond of the myth he puts forward above, despite the fact > that many people over the years have proven that FreeBSD runs quite > happily from readonly media (me too). You have to change the rc scripts to not try to generate the /var/run information, or some of the startups *will* fail. You can make it run with modifications, in other words. Without modifications, it limps. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 18:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25298 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beatrice.rutgers.edu (beatrice.rutgers.edu [165.230.209.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25207 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu) Received: (from easmith@localhost) by beatrice.rutgers.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA08805; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allen Smith" Message-Id: <9809252112.ZM8803@beatrice.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:12:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: Booting from NT ?" (Sep 25, 8:35pm) References: <199809252232.PAA20186@usr04.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: Terry Lambert , mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sep 25, 8:35pm, Terry Lambert (possibly) wrote: > > > > The real pain here is that FreeBSD won't boot on a pure read-only > > > > file store without modification (the existance of which was posted > > > > about several times by the ROM/FLASH people). > > > > > > uh ? booting the kernel obviously works because i have done it reading > > > from a CD or the network -- and a readonly root also seems to work, > > > because I have been using diskless with a readonly root for a long time. > > > > Terry is quite fond of the myth he puts forward above, despite the fact > > that many people over the years have proven that FreeBSD runs quite > > happily from readonly media (me too). > > You have to change the rc scripts to not try to generate the /var/run > information, or some of the startups *will* fail. > > You can make it run with modifications, in other words. > > Without modifications, it limps. Umm... one generally finds that things in /var will _var_y, yes... I would suggest that having the stuff in /var be on seperate, writeable media makes sense (along with swap files, including space for a mfs /tmp). -Allen -- Allen Smith easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 18:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26390 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-30.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26383 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01762; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysctl descriptions.. sorta.. In-Reply-To: <199809250748.AAA01220@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Mike Smith wrote: [..] > > So I've put some diffs that should add a new syscall (getsyscalldescr(2)) > > to achieve this (and also attempt to document a few more sysctls) at > > http://www.wenet.net/~garbanzo/junk. A small example of how to use this is > > also available at the afformentioned URL. > > Wrong way to do it. Use another "magic" method; see kern/kern_sysctl > for the existing "magic" methods. I'd use {0,5,...} in the same fashion > as {0,4,...} is already implemented. Should be very easy. Eck, always the easy way out. Anyways, what _is_ the proper way to do it? Pass it an int[4] to get at say hw.model {0,5,CTL_HW,HW_MODEL} and then SYSCTL_OUT the description? The comments that this interface should be beaten to death, and that SYSCTL_IN/OUT are rather untested is um, reassuring to say the least ;) - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 25 23:26:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26394 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26379 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from fermion (fermion [10.0.1.2]) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA21981 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:50:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Message-Id: <199809260750.CAA21981@quark.ChrisBowman.com> X-Sender: crb@quark X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:22:59 -0400 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Christopher R. Bowman" Subject: suggestion for /usr/src/share/examples/drivers/make_pci_driver.sh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So, I noticed that there are scripts in /usr/src/share/examples/drivers that create some skeleton drivers but none for pci drivers so included below is my attempt at this. I would appreciate any feedback that anyone has to offer and comments about how to get this into the tree if it looks acceptable. #!/bin/sh # This writes a skeleton pci driver and puts it into the kernel tree for you # arg1 is lowercase "foo" # # Trust me, RUN THIS SCRIPT :) # #-------cut here------------------ cd /sys/pci if [ "${1}X" = "X" ] then echo "Hey , how about some help here.. give me a device name!" exit 1 fi UPPER=`echo ${1} |tr "[:lower:]" "[:upper:]"` cat >files.${UPPER} <${UPPER} <>${UPPER} cat >>${UPPER} <../pci/${1}.c <0 #include "${1}.h" /* generated file.. defines N${UPPER} */ #include #include #include /* SYSINIT stuff */ #include /* cdevsw stuff */ #include /* malloc region definitions */ #include /* DELAY() */ #include /* NCPI definitions */ #include /* pci variables etc. */ #include /* pci register definitions etc. */ #include /* ${1} IOCTL definitions */ #ifdef DEVFS #include /* DEVFS defintitions */ #endif /* DEVFS */ #define ${1}_DEV_PCI_ID X /* pci device id of your device */ /* Function prototypes (these should all be static except for ${1}intr()) */ static d_open_t ${1}open; static d_close_t ${1}close; static d_read_t ${1}read; static d_write_t ${1}write; static d_ioctl_t ${1}ioctl; static d_mmap_t ${1}mmap; static d_select_t ${1}select; static int ${1}probe(pcici_t tag, pcidi_t type); static int ${1}attach(pcici_t tag, int unit); static pci_inthand_t ${1}intr; static u_long ${1}count; #define CDEV_MAJOR 20 static struct cdevsw ${1}_cdevsw = { ${1}open, ${1}close, ${1}read, ${1}write, ${1}ioctl, nullstop, nullreset, nodevtotty, ${1}select, ${1}mmap, NULL, "${1}", NULL, -1 }; struct pci_device ${1}driver = { "${1}" ${1}probe, ${1}attach, &${1}count, NULL }; /* The DATA_SET macro includes the pci device in the set of pci devices * that will be probed at config time. */ DATA_SET (pcidevice_set, met_device); #define UNIT(dev) minor(dev) /* assume one minor number per unit */ /* * One of these per allocated device */ struct ${1}_softc { #ifdef DEVFS static void *devfs_token; #endif } ; typedef struct ${1}_softc *sc_p; static sc_p sca[N${UPPER}]; /* this function should discriminate if this device is * or is not handled by this driver, often this will be * as simple as testing the pci id of the device */ static int ${1}probe(pcici_t tag, pcidi_t type) { switch (type) { case ${1}_DEV_PCI_ID: return("${1}"); }; return ((char *)0); } /* * Called if the probe succeeded. */ static int ${1}attach(pcici_t tag, int unit) { int unit = dev->id_unit; sc_p scp = sca[unit]; /* * Allocate storage for this instance . */ scp = malloc(sizeof(*scp), M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); if( scp == NULL) { printf("${1}%d failed to allocage driver strorage\n", unit); return (0); } bzero(scp, sizeof(*scp)); sca[unit] = scp; /* * Store whatever seems wise. */ scp->dev = dev; #if DEVFS scp->devfs_token = devfs_add_devswf(&${1}_cdevsw, unit, DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_KMEM, 0600, "${1}%d", unit); #endif return 1; } /* * Macro to check that the unit number is valid * Often this isn't needed as once the open() is performed, * the unit number is pretty much safe.. The exception would be if we * implemented devices that could "go away". in which case all these routines * would be wise to check the number, DIAGNOSTIC or not. */ #define CHECKUNIT(RETVAL) \ do { /* the do-while is a safe way to do this grouping */ \ if (unit > N${UPPER}) { \ printf(__FUNCTION__ ":bad unit $d\n", unit); \ return (RETVAL); \ } \ if (scp == NULL) { \ printf( __FUNCTION__ ": unit $d not attached\n", unit);\ return (RETVAL); \ } \ } while (0) #ifdef DIAGNOSTIC #define CHECKUNIT_DIAG(RETVAL) CHECKUNIT(RETVAL) #else /* DIAGNOSTIC */ #define CHECKUNIT_DIAG(RETVAL) #endif /* DIAGNOSTIC */ pci_inthand_t ${1}intr { /* * well we got an interupt, now what? * Theoretically we don't need to check the unit. */ return; } int ${1}ioctl (dev_t dev, int cmd, caddr_t data, int flag, struct proc *p) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(ENXIO); switch (cmd) { case DHIOCRESET: /* whatever resets it */ outb(scp->dev->id_iobase, 0xff); break; default: return ENXIO; } return (0); } /* * You also need read, write, open, close routines. * This should get you started */ static int ${1}open(dev_t dev, int oflags, int devtype, struct proc *p) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; CHECKUNIT(ENXIO); /* * Do processing */ return (0); } static int ${1}close(dev_t dev, int fflag, int devtype, struct proc *p) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(ENXIO); /* * Do processing */ return (0); } static int ${1}read(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int ioflag) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; int toread; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(ENXIO); /* * Do processing * read from buffer */ toread = (min(uio->uio_resid, sizeof(scp->buffer))); return(uiomove(scp->buffer, toread, uio)); } static int ${1}write(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int ioflag) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; int towrite; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(ENXIO); /* * Do processing * write to buffer */ towrite = (min(uio->uio_resid, sizeof(scp->buffer))); return(uiomove(scp->buffer, towrite, uio)); } static int ${1}mmap(dev_t dev, int offset, int nprot) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(-1); /* * Do processing */ #if 0 /* if we had a frame buffer or whatever.. do this */ if (offset > FRAMEBUFFERSIZE - PAGE_SIZE) { return (-1); } return i386_btop((FRAMEBASE + offset)); #else return (-1); #endif } static int ${1}select(dev_t dev, int which, struct proc *p) { int unit = UNIT (dev); sc_p scp = sca[unit]; CHECKUNIT_DIAG(ENXIO); /* * Do processing */ return (0); /* this is the wrong value I'm sure */ } /* * Now for some driver initialization. There are basically 2 options * here you can either use the drvinit function for initialization that * needs to occur before any probing is done, or keep state in a global * you can use in the probe routine to see if probe is being called for * the fist time, and do your initalization there. */ static void ${1}_drvinit(void *unused) { dev_t dev; dev = makedev(CDEV_MAJOR, 0); cdevsw_add(&dev, &${1}_cdevsw, NULL); } SYSINIT(${1}dev, SI_SUB_DRIVERS, SI_ORDER_MIDDLE+CDEV_MAJOR, ${1}_drvinit, NULL) #endif /* NPCI */ DONE cat >../../sys/${1}io.h < #endif #include /* * define an ioctl here */ #define DHIOCRESET _IO('D', 0) /* reset the ${1} device */ #endif DONE config ${UPPER} cd ../../compile/${UPPER} make depend make ${1}.o make exit #--------------end of script--------------- # #you also need to add an entry into the cdevsw[] #array in conf.c, but it's too hard to do in a script.. # #edit to your taste.. # # -------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com http://www.ChrisBowman.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 01:56:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09221 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09216 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05347 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29541; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:56:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00786; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:56:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199809260856.JAA00786@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Thomas David Rivers cc: brian@Awfulhak.org, dan@dpcsys.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Here's a NATD thingy to try out... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:53:01 EDT." <199809252153.RAA20347@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:56:14 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [.....] > > I'll try turning off TCP extensions and seeing what happens. > > > > - Dave Rivers - > > > > Well - I turned off TCP extensions on the gateway machine - no effect. > > The gateway can get to http://www.aol.com; an interior machine will simply > not be able to retrieve the page. > > Now, this is with 2.2.6 - do you happen to be using 2.2.7? The gateway has a bleeding edge (-current) ppp. You could try downloading the latest ppp and building the libalias from there - see if that helps (you'll have to rebuild your local natd after installing the new libalias). However, I can't recall anything that may be causing this WRT libalias :-/ > - Dave Rivers - > -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 02:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09895 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09867 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:sN7C6F5xQS/yECDQsN5LB2mvtjWyceAA@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01488; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:02:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id SAA19912; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:03:49 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199809260903.SAA19912@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Martin Cracauer cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: vty lock In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:42:32 +0200." <19980923124232.A20756@cons.org> References: <199809220806.BAA00624@word.smith.net.au> <19980923124232.A20756@cons.org> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:03:49 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I have to terminate or shell out of whatever I'm running at the moment on >> each vty and run it, then enter my password 9 or 10 times when I return to >> the console. >> >> Linux's vlock lets you specify -a to instantly lock ALL vtys, which is the >> functionality I'm mainly looking for. > >Then why don't you add that option to our lock? Simplest solution >would be to prevent the console driver from switching consoles, which >could be done with a simple ioctl for syscons and pcvt. > >Martin Linux has the ioctls VT_LOCKSWITCH and VT_UNLOCKSWITCH, which our syscons and pcvt don't have. However, if all you want to do is to prevent the user from switching away from the current vty, you can make `lock' use the ioctl VT_SEMODE to set the switching mode to VT_PROCESS and refuse vty switching until the user types the correct password (or until timeout expires). This technique should work with both syscons and pcvt. #include ... int fd; void relase(int arg) { /* always refuse to release our vty */ ioctl(fd, VT_RELDISP, VT_FALSE); } void acquire(int arg) { ioctl(fd, VT_RELDISP, VT_ACKACQ); } main() { struct vt_mode mode; fd = fileno(stdin); signal(SIGUSR1, release) signal(SIGUSR2, acquire); mode.mode = VT_PROCESSS; mode.relsig = SIGUSR1; mode.acqsig = SIGUSR2; mode.frsig = SIGUSR1; /* not used */ ioctl(fd, VT_SETMODE, &mode); ... /* clean up before quiting */ mode.mode = VT_AUTO; ioctl(fd, VT_SETMODE, &mode); } Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 07:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08130 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08115 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA00944; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:34:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980926163433.A928@foobar.franken.de> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:34:33 +0200 From: Harold Gutch To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? References: <199809240728.JAA09560@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199809240728.JAA09560@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 09:28:42AM +0200 X-Organisation: BatmanSystemDistribution X-Mission: To free the world from the Penguin Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 09:28:42AM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Actually, there is a R/O NTFS module for FreeBSD. See the list > > > archives. > > ok, it is vmount-0.6a something... but the author's web site is > unreachable at the moment. Does someone have a copy of this by chance ? > You can get it from ftp://insl1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de/pub/unix/FreeBSD/vmount/ -- bye, logix Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 09:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19984 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.shvetc.zp.ua (shvetc-bayda.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19951; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.zp.ua) Received: from wints (wints.shvetc.zp.ua [193.193.219.186]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10932; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:26:23 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <000101bde96a$67356680$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua> From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: Cc: , Subject: traffic counter Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:26:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! There is a task: to write programm, which daily counts up amount byte, transferred through interface. It is necessary, what it took information from mrtg log files, or itself took statistics using snmp. Nobody was engaged in such? And that completely is no time to write itself :-( Beforehand is grateful. --- Eugene Shvetc MARKA ISP eugene@shvetc.zp.ua Tel, fax: +380 612 120186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 13:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13361 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-56.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13355 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00907 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysctl descriptions.. sorta.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Wrong way to do it. Use another "magic" method; see kern/kern_sysctl > > for the existing "magic" methods. I'd use {0,5,...} in the same fashion > > as {0,4,...} is already implemented. Should be very easy. Ok. I've done that. And added a few more comments in the process. The "new" patches and demo program are available at www.wenet.net/~garbanzo/junk for those who might be interested. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 13:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15032 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15027 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06296 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <360D4E83.8B656BC9@dal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:28:51 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0920 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Subject: COMPAT_43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm curious as to whether/how much the COMPAT_43 option is still needed in a modern system. Before someone says, "Why don't you take it out and find out for yourself?" I would be glad to do that and report the results (after the release of course) if someone could state with reasonable assurance that most things would still work. :) Thanks, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 14:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20403 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20396 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26084; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA16914; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:26:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980926232622.55098@follo.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:26:22 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Studded , The Subject: Re: COMPAT_43 References: <360D4E83.8B656BC9@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <360D4E83.8B656BC9@dal.net>; from Studded on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 01:28:51PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 01:28:51PM -0700, Studded wrote: > I'm curious as to whether/how much the COMPAT_43 option is still needed > in a modern system. Before someone says, "Why don't you take it out and > find out for yourself?" I would be glad to do that and report the > results (after the release of course) if someone could state with > reasonable assurance that most things would still work. :) Most things would still work. Eivind, who ran for 3-4 months without COMPAT_43, and found that the only causality was innocen^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe Linux emulator. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 14:28:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20499 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20494 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA09390; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA03449; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:28:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:28:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199809262128.XAA03449@surf.IAE.nl> To: mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: sysctl descriptions.. sorta.. X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199809250748.AAA01220@word.smith.net.au> References: Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199809250748.AAA01220@word.smith.net.au> you write: >> Welp, it's here.. I figured that the easiest way to go about adding some >> way to retreive descriptions for individual sysctls/mibs/whatever you want >> to call them was to add a syscall. >> >> So I've put some diffs that should add a new syscall (getsyscalldescr(2)) >> to achieve this (and also attempt to document a few more sysctls) at >> http://www.wenet.net/~garbanzo/junk. A small example of how to use this is >> also available at the afformentioned URL. > >Wrong way to do it. Use another "magic" method; see kern/kern_sysctl >for the existing "magic" methods. I'd use {0,5,...} in the same fashion >as {0,4,...} is already implemented. Should be very easy. Fortunately for me, is my dayjob so rewarding that I don't have time to complete the changes I had set for the sysctl-stuff. But I do know that I strongly agree with the comments in the files, that the interface should be riped out by its guts. And as such I strongly disagree with what Mike suggests. The smallest change to make te interface more "elegant", is to include a "opcode" parameter, instead of whacking it into the mib-id-field. And I still do not understand why some set of routines get to have unique system-calls where others are cramped into 1 omni-potent list of parameters. And yes, I do spent on and off time, to get done what I wanted to get done. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 15:42:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27644 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27633 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15768; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd015742; Sat Sep 26 15:42:31 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24523; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199809262242.PAA24523@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Booting from NT ? To: easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu (Allen Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:42:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, drussell@saturn-tech.com, jflowers@ezo.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9809252112.ZM8803@beatrice.rutgers.edu> from "Allen Smith" at Sep 25, 98 09:12:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You have to change the rc scripts to not try to generate the /var/run > > information, or some of the startups *will* fail. > > > > You can make it run with modifications, in other words. > > > > Without modifications, it limps. > > Umm... one generally finds that things in /var will _var_y, yes... I > would suggest that having the stuff in /var be on seperate, writeable > media makes sense (along with swap files, including space for a mfs > /tmp). The minimal modification is an MFS /var, mounted early, and a symlink from /tmp -> /var/tmp, yes. Having a DEVFS (with SLICE) also helps... one less thing to deal with not being R/O. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 16:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06285 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zebedee.local (pdx57-i48-01.teleport.com [204.202.167.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06278 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@rtd.com) Received: (from tony@localhost) by zebedee.local (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA00288 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Jones Message-Id: <199809270000.RAA00288@zebedee.local> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TCP (http) problem Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm having a TCP problem with my system (-stable). For close on the last 6 months, when I connect to my ISP (teleport.com) using my 28.8 Microcom, pppd and Linux Netscape 4.06, I've had problems recieving data from 'altavista.digital.com'. Initially access was sporadic, now it fails 100% of the time. More recently I've started to have the same problem with 'www.wellsfargo.com' or 'https://banking.wellsfargo.com'. If I reboot into Win NT 4.0 (connect to the same ISP), I can access the problem sites with no problems (using IE4.0). In each case, the TCP connection is made, Netscape shows this (as does netstat and a brief sequence of XMIT/RECV on the modem). However, no data is ever recieved by the application (confirmed by no RECV light on the modem, just the occasional blinking of the XMIT light - Netscape resending?) Eventually the http connection will time out. I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work fine, as did the Linux versions. I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine. I realise this sounds kind of crazy, but I really don't think it is an ISP issue, but I'm all out of ideas as to what to try. If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. It's starting to drive me nuts. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 17:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11012 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11005 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17588; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809270033.RAA17588@implode.root.com> To: Tony Jones cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP (http) problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:00:59 PDT." <199809270000.RAA00288@zebedee.local> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:33:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Eventually the http connection will time out. > >I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old >BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work >fine, as did the Linux versions. > >I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already >tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was >a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine. It sounds like a problem with Path MTU Discovery. Your ISP is probably blocking outbound "ICMP_UNREACH_NEEDFRAG" messages. You might try setting a smaller MTU/MRU on your PPP connection (I suggest 552). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 17:56:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14176 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cypher.net (zen.pratt.edu [205.232.115.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14154 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from black@cypher.net) Received: (qmail 27241 invoked by uid 512); 27 Sep 1998 00:46:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19980926204630.A20043@cypher.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:46:30 -0400 From: Ben Black To: dg@root.com, Tony Jones Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP (http) problem References: <199809270000.RAA00288@zebedee.local> <199809270033.RAA17588@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199809270033.RAA17588@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:33:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG actually, this may be a bug in IIS4. i have seen a problem exactly as you describe (can't get to certain sites, those running IIS4, but everything else works fine) when the path MTU is not the same as the MTU on the IIS4 server's LAN. since the smaller MTU hop was under my control, i increased the MTU and everything worked. whether anyone upstream was blocking icmp messages used in path MTU discovery, i don't know. ben On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:33:40PM -0700, David Greenman had most eloquently written: > >Eventually the http connection will time out. > > > >I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old > >BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work > >fine, as did the Linux versions. > > > >I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already > >tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was > >a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine. > > It sounds like a problem with Path MTU Discovery. Your ISP is probably > blocking outbound "ICMP_UNREACH_NEEDFRAG" messages. You might try setting > a smaller MTU/MRU on your PPP connection (I suggest 552). > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 20:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28975 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28970 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA10621; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980926200310.C27459@Alameda.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:03:10 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Ben Black , dg@root.com, Tony Jones Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP (http) problem Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <199809270000.RAA00288@zebedee.local> <199809270033.RAA17588@implode.root.com> <19980926204630.A20043@cypher.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980926204630.A20043@cypher.net>; from Ben Black on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 08:46:30PM -0400 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 08:46:30PM -0400, Ben Black wrote: > actually, this may be a bug in IIS4. i have seen a problem exactly as you > describe (can't get to certain sites, those running IIS4, but everything else > works fine) when the path MTU is not the same as the MTU on the IIS4 server's > LAN. > > since the smaller MTU hop was under my control, i increased the MTU and > everything worked. whether anyone upstream was blocking icmp messages used > in path MTU discovery, i don't know. But I doubt that altavista runs any IIS 4.x > > > ben > > On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:33:40PM -0700, David Greenman had most eloquently written: > > >Eventually the http connection will time out. > > > > > >I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old > > >BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work > > >fine, as did the Linux versions. > > > > > >I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already > > >tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was > > >a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine. > > > > It sounds like a problem with Path MTU Discovery. Your ISP is probably > > blocking outbound "ICMP_UNREACH_NEEDFRAG" messages. You might try setting > > a smaller MTU/MRU on your PPP connection (I suggest 552). > > > > -DG > > > > David Greenman > > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 20:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01598 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01589 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zN7No-0001fk-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:20:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: Ben Black cc: Tony Jones , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP (http) problem In-Reply-To: <19980926204630.A20043@cypher.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Ben Black wrote: > actually, this may be a bug in IIS4. i have seen a problem exactly as you > describe (can't get to certain sites, those running IIS4, but everything else > works fine) when the path MTU is not the same as the MTU on the IIS4 server's > LAN. Doubtful, it is probably just a filtering thing. > > since the smaller MTU hop was under my control, i increased the MTU and > everything worked. whether anyone upstream was blocking icmp messages used > in path MTU discovery, i don't know. > > > ben > > On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 05:33:40PM -0700, David Greenman had most eloquently written: > > >Eventually the http connection will time out. > > > > > >I've upgraded -stable, the Linux version of Netscape to v4.06, tried my old > > >BSD Netscape 3.0 all with the same results. The BSD Netscape _used_ to work > > >fine, as did the Linux versions. > > > > > >I posted to -stable and someone suggested I disable TCP extensions (I'd already > > >tried this) and also to try sending large ICMP packets (1472) to see if it was > > >a fragmentation problem. The pings worked fine. > > > > It sounds like a problem with Path MTU Discovery. Your ISP is probably > > blocking outbound "ICMP_UNREACH_NEEDFRAG" messages. You might try setting > > a smaller MTU/MRU on your PPP connection (I suggest 552). More likely a site upstream; www.wellsfargo.com is blocking pings, so they may well be blocking other ICMP. That is their problem. http://www.worldgate.com/~marcs/mtu/ for a description of the likely problem and possible solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 20:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03685 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03595 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bf20761@binghamton.edu) Received: from localhost (bf20761@localhost) by bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA17865 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: zhihuizhang X-Sender: bf20761@bingsun2 To: hackers Subject: Question on vnode's type Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are nine types of vnodes available: VNON, VREG, VDIR, VBLK, VCHR, VLNK, VSOCK, VFIFO, VBAD. Can anyone describe for me their usages? Any help is appreciated. -------------------------------------------------- | Zhihui Zhang, http://cs.binghamton.edu/~zzhang | | Dept. of Computer Science, SUNY at Binghamton | -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 26 20:53:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05268 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from violet.ezo.net (violet.ezo.net [206.102.130.133]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA24805; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jim Flowers" To: , "Stephanie Wehner" <_@r4k.net> Subject: Re: IPsec for ipv4 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:53:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde9ca$7134e740$858266ce@violet.ezo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did just fine until I got to tools/complete/photurisd/kernel.c. No declarations for IP_SEC_LEVEL_BYPASS, IP_AUTH_LEVEL, IP_ESP_TRANS_LEVEL or IP_ESP_NETWORK_LEVEL. Same thing in openbsd source. Are these just not important? -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Wehner <_@r4k.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 3:40 PM Subject: IPsec for ipv4 >Hi, > >I did a port of the OpenBSD ipsec stuff to the FreeBSD kernel. You >can get it from ftp.r4k.net/pub/ipsec/. This includes the kernel >patches, the userland programs needed to set it up and a bit of doc >on how to put it in. > >Right now this is for FreeBSD 227R since I didn't have any machine >with current around. I'd like to put it in current as soon as I >have it somewhere (I can probably spare a machine for that in a couple >of days) and also use it with pluto (does isakmp/oakley). You can >use it now by setting things up manually or using photuris. > >'d be cool if many people could test it and tell me about bugs etc. they >find. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message