From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 24 15:34:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC65106566B for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35FE18FC20 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25699 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2011 15:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2011 15:34:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=E/OI1XDqMBLQ4npnEalBmo7Ox0n7NmLxiQAHruKUfPk1fTdA2U6HLWgf63hHedZ5O3rxC1ka/sxugo2fkoogVITMlLpJFBXagWJanT/zIP4i5Vg5c1Jv21g79GESbDFO; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ql0hX-0006nI-9h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:34:44 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:17:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:17:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110724151754.GA82266@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <375e5bcac1acd4b781ef97bd1718e689.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110721161356.GI5129@think.gnix.co.uk> <20110721165801.GC69370@guilt.hydra> <4e2c2125.yS7H/hVUm1ebTrPE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20110724074846.GA15740@tinyCurrent> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110724074846.GA15740@tinyCurrent> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:34:45 -0000 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:48:46AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.= com escribi=F3: > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings > > > it might be somewhat useful to me ... > >=20 > > There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved > > in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it > > would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access > > to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). >=20 > Why do you want to use the closed Android if there is an OpenSource, > Linux based cellphone, having shell, X11, GPS, GPRS, Wifi, USB ethernet, > x11vnc, ... etc. >=20 > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt I considered that. Unfortunately, it does not suffice. The OpenMoko project suffers some pretty significant hardware issues -- such as, in some cases, lack of necessary hardware to achieve anything close to functionality parity with common Android devices. It does not even provide G3 access, which is a minimal piece of functionality for a smartphone to be worth having, according to my preferences at least. I wish circumstances were different. I would much prefer something like OpenMoko if it provided what I needed. I would even accept a slightly slower processor, no accelerometer, no GPS, and several other shortcomings compared to the hardware in my current Android smartphone, but the lack of G3 support -- especially in combination to some hardware quality issues that have come up for several people I know who have OpenMoko devices mouldering in drawers right now -- ensures it is not worth my while to spend real money on one. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk4sN6EACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXxbwCgzXJoI93QRTNv0vNc8VPS80nO TfMAoJuCiK7o4x06KFmKcM9ihKvCeKYK =YF6u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy--