From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 24 22:05:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8197716A420 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: from mailrly01.isp.novis.pt (mailrly01.isp.novis.pt [195.23.133.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A10343D46 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: (qmail 641 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 22:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailfrt11.isp.novis.pt) ([195.23.133.227]) (envelope-sender ) by mailrly01.isp.novis.pt with compressed SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 22:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1271 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 22:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO compaq.anjos.strangled.net) ([87.196.202.124]) (envelope-sender ) by mailfrt11.isp.novis.pt with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 22:05:38 -0000 Received: from compaq.anjos.strangled.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compaq.anjos.strangled.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OM5Qdw006373; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:28 GMT (envelope-from miguel@compaq.anjos.strangled.net) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by compaq.anjos.strangled.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k1OM5Q9l006372; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:26 GMT (envelope-from miguel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:26 GMT From: Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos Message-Id: <200602242205.k1OM5Q9l006372@compaq.anjos.strangled.net> To: algould@datawok.com, miguel@anjos.strangled.net In-Reply-To: <20060224154515.2d6f8c7b@grokwell.org> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:05:41 -0000 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:45:15 -0600 > From: "Andrew L. Gould" > To: Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos > Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell > > 1. The developers who place their work under the BSD, MIT, and GPL* > licenses allow for their work to be used in commercial products. If > they don't mind, why should you. If I see one person on a public place getting money from another just because the first is "smarter" and the other is more believing, I mind, even though it's not my money. In this specific case, I mind if the enrichment of RedHat is greater than that of those who provide most of the value in RedHat's product. > 2. Yes, Red Hat is a for-profit entity. In fact, the "E" in Red Hat EL > stands for "Enterprise". You, as an individual, are not the targetted > market for that product. Well, you find it on consumer stores, side by side with Windows XP. > 3. Red Hat has, historically, been a good player in the open source > community. In fact, their operating system **is** available for free. > If you don't want to pay for Red Hat EL, then download White Box Linux, > or CentOS, both of which are free rebuilds of Red Hat EL -- RH logos > have been stripped out, etc. Red Hat is okay with this. It's a pitty that there isn't a notice on this consumer stores saying that White Box Linux, being the same thing, is available for download at no charge. Don't you think there's someone playing the smart guy in this story? > Now, enough about a Linux vendor, let's get back to focusing on FreeBSD > Advocacy. > > Andrew Agree. And I'm sorry I argued so much. Miguel