From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 00:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345CF16A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121AE43D2F; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9CAE071; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73202-04; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 48987AE06A; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321081001.48987AE06A@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-02-29 - 2004-03-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 00:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D8916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50A443D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id i2L8HHBN092040; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:17:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:17:17 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Mark Message-ID: <20040321081717.GA26638@dan.emsphone.com> References: <1079841282.664.10.camel@osaka> <20040321040035.GC2097@dan.emsphone.com> <200403210638.I2L6CT0D027199@asarian-host.net> <20040321065555.GE2097@dan.emsphone.com> <200403210708.I2L78Y8J027993@asarian-host.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403210708.I2L78Y8J027993@asarian-host.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I really need to rebuilding *everything* X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:19:48 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 21), Mark said: > Pardon my daftness, but how is a 'file' against, say, httpd, like this, > > file /usr/local/sbin/httpd > /usr/local/sbin/httpd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped > > going to tell me whether httpd was dynamically linked against > OpenSSL, or statically? It just tells me httpd uses shared libraries. > Or does it mean it ONLY uses shared libraries? You can also use the "ldd" command to list the specific shlibs linked by a program, but you can usually assume that if it's dynamically linked, it has dynamically linked all its libraries too. Theoretically, a program could have linked directly to /usr/lib/libssl.a, but most of the time they just use -lssl, which will prefer shared libraries over static. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 00:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8D916A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (xorpc.icir.org [192.150.187.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7945E43D31; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo@icir.org) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2L8PSRS020122; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo@xorpc.icir.org) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3/Submit) id i2L8PS1x020121; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:25:28 -0800 From: Luigi Rizzo To: Vincent Poy Message-ID: <20040321002527.A20048@xorpc.icir.org> References: <20040320141922.B7314@xorpc.icir.org> <20040320124422.W8264-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20040320124422.W8264-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>; from vince@oahu.wurldlink.net on Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:56:08PM -1000 cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latency problem with traffic shaping (ipfw/dummynet) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:25:28 -0000 On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:56:08PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: ... > > the above configuration means that if queue 1 is getting a bandwidth > > X, then queue 2 will get 0.99X, queue 3 will get 0.98X, queue > > 4 will get 0.97X. Hardly matching any reasonable definition of high-mid-low > > priority! > > Hmm, I think I did it that way because 100 is the largest number > and I didn't decide on how many queues I may add later so the numbers will > change but does the weight number really mean 99%, 98%, 97% priority? So > should it really be 66, 33, and 1? no, the weights mean exactly what i wrote above, and they are weights not priorities. As to the values to use, that's entirely up to you. cheers luigi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 01:16:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f41.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB6643D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:16:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from weiwuzhang@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:16:42 -0800 Received: from 218.85.103.211 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:16:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.85.103.211] X-Originating-Email: [weiwuzhang@hotmail.com] X-Sender: weiwuzhang@hotmail.com From: "Zhang Weiwu" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:16:42 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2004 09:16:42.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[39A29760:01C40F25] Subject: configure CUPS without web interface problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: zhangweiwu@realss.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:16:43 -0000 Hello. I just installed cups on my old P160MMX desktop computer, the printer is Canon S100 on usb0. Now I need to configure the box properly to print something. I found this printer's PPD file on LinuxPrinting.org. I followed the instructions on both LinuxPrintng.org and CUPS software administrator, so far everything went smooth. Only that both doc suggest me go to http://localhost:631/admin, but I got connection refused using lynx(1). (I don't know if I need to run apache or configure inetd for this.) I managed to go to section 4-3-6 of the manual through command-line, all things went smooth: http://www.cups.org/sam.html#4_3_6 According to the manual, it seems so far the printer is properly configured, ready to print. Here is my status information: dino# lpstat -t scheduler is running system default destination: S100 device for S100: usb:/dev/ulpt0 S100 accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 printer S100 is idle. enabled since Jan 01 00:00 dino# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cups.sh status cups: scheduler is running. dino# uname -a FreeBSD dino.realss 5.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 29 04:29:22 CST 2004 zhangweiwu@dino.realss:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/DINO i386 So i send a text file to the print: dino# lpr -PS100 .cshrc lpr: Unable to connect to /var/run/printer: No such file or directory lpr: Check to see if the master 'lpd' process is running. jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. It seems I still need to run smothing called lpd? Why? The manual didn't ask me to do so. Please help. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 01:23:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A8F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel.home.volker.de (p508176BF.dip.t-dialin.net [80.129.118.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8577743D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:23:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@secspace.de) Received: from ariel.home.volker.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.home.volker.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id i2L9NKpK000788; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:23:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@secspace.de) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:23:20 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann To: ecrist@adtechintegrated.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321102320.23de7d0b@ariel.home.volker.de> In-Reply-To: <200403201743.14451.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> References: <200403201743.14451.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best *nix OS for a laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:23:27 -0000 Hello Eric, > I've been using freebsd 4.x on a laptop for 6 months or so now, and > I'm not entirely happy with it. Mostly, it lacks multimedia support > and power management. I don't want to start some flame war here, but > here goes. > > Could some of you please send me an email telling me what OS you > utilize on your laptop, and why? I'm not looking for anyone bashing > any other OS, just why you use what you do. I'm using FreeBSD 5.2.1 on my Thinkpad X21. The only thing I've trouble with is acpi. So I'm using APM which works sufficiently for me (suspending when closing the display, etc. I have no problems with sound, all hardware components are recognised (even the WinModem is supported by the lt.. port but I don't bother as I don't need it). Mostly I do allday-work with the laptop, email, browsing the internet, openoffice, connecting to citrix, administering remote machines, networking tasks, etc. There's nothing I miss with FreeBSD but that's only my point. Other users may have other needs. -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 01:30:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C8716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f73.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0843D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:30:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from weiwuzhang@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:30:43 -0800 Received: from 218.85.103.211 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:30:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.85.103.211] X-Originating-Email: [weiwuzhang@hotmail.com] X-Sender: weiwuzhang@hotmail.com From: "Zhang Weiwu" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:30:42 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2004 09:30:43.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E925660:01C40F27] Subject: Re: configure CUPS without web interface problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: zhangweiwu@realss.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:30:43 -0000 Zhang Weiwu wrote: > > Only that both doc suggest me go to http://localhost:631/admin, but I got connection refused using lynx(1). (I don't know if I need to run apache or configure inetd for this.) Sorry I wasn't clear. The actual error message from lynx is: Looking up localhost:631 localhost:631 Making HTTP connection to localhost:631 socket failed: family 28 addr ::1 port 631. Sending HTTP request. Alert!: Unexpected network write error; connection aborted. Can't Access `http://localhost:631/admin' Alert!: Unable to access document. lynx: Can't access startfile I took a glance on /usr/local/etc/cups/cupsd.conf it is set to listen on port 631. _________________________________________________________________ ÓëÁª»úµÄÅóÓѽøÐн»Á÷£¬ÇëʹÓà MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 01:43:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEAF16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f26.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A42E43D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from weiwuzhang@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:43:13 -0800 Received: from 218.85.103.211 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.85.103.211] X-Originating-Email: [weiwuzhang@hotmail.com] X-Sender: weiwuzhang@hotmail.com From: "Zhang Weiwu" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:43:13 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2004 09:43:13.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDCBA030:01C40F28] Subject: Re: configure CUPS without web interface problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: zhangweiwu@realss.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:13 -0000 Zhang Weiwu wrote: > So i send a text file to the print: > > dino# lpr -PS100 .cshrc > lpr: Unable to connect to /var/run/printer: No such file or directory > lpr: Check to see if the master 'lpd' process is running. > jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. > > It seems I still need to run smothing called lpd? Why? The manual didn't ask me to do so. I luckily found this article from freebsdbsddiary http://www.freebsddiary.org/cups.php Nice article. I realized I should call /usr/local/bin/lpr rather than /usr/bin/lpr. Now the printer is working. And it seems I cannot go to 631 port because of "permission denied". I think I can fix it soon. _________________________________________________________________ ÓëÁª»úµÄÅóÓѽøÐн»Á÷£¬ÇëʹÓà MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 02:06:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB5116A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (gaff.hhhr.ision.net [195.180.9.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B986443D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gaff.hhhr.ision.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2LA6fjJ051283; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:06:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) Received: from localhost (ohoyer@localhost)i2LA6eHt051280; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:06:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gaff.hhhr.ision.net: ohoyer owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:06:40 +0100 (CET) From: Olaf Hoyer Sender: ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net To: Dave In-Reply-To: <093501c40ef0$2de04970$6600a8c0@toronto.ems> Message-ID: <20040321105913.B51005@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <093501c40ef0$2de04970$6600a8c0@toronto.ems> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dell 2650 config for FreeBSD 4.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:06:41 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Dave wrote: > We are in the position to have to replace an intel ISP1100 which has > been running as our primary server for some time. As a potential > replacement we are looking at a Dell 2650 dual processor raid5 server, > specs below. Up until now, the ISP1100 with a P3 800 and 1GB of PC100 > RAM has been handling the load like a fine workhorse, but anything > purhcased now is well beyond those specs. Does anyone have any first > hand experiences, caveats, warnings, or commendations for this server if > it is to use FreeBSD 4.9 as a dns/radius/website with extensive > PostgreSQL database usage. Well, have had some 2650 under my fingertips for deployment, but due to specs from the projects, no one of them actually runs BSD in production. Some short tests revolved no problems with a 4.9, RAID working fine, but not tested on really high loads. The only problem I ran into ist the mechanical mounting of that box in a standard Rack. Dell (at least in Europe) uses 4-post Racks, with square holes. The rails only have some length adjustment of less then 2 inch, so when the distance of the front and rear posts is too far apart, or too close together, then it won't fit. The VersaRails are used for mounting in Racks with round holes, and have similar limitations. On their Website Dell have some diagram with exact measurements for VersaRails, check this out before ordering. To make the whole stuff more bizarre, I asked Dell what the front/rear-distance of their own (mostly OEM-relabelled Racks like Rittal with fixed posts) is, no answer yet. Also some rails from a 2550 fitted in one rack, but the rails of a 1750 (the new 1Ubox) were 2 mm short :-(( Another try would be the new Intel or relabelled Sun boxes, like the V65x from Sun, also verry nice hardware inside... Well, apart from mounting (check your racks!) I see no disadvantage... HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 02:17:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EE616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from f4.mail.ru (f4.mail.ru [194.67.57.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C040D43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 479001601@mail.ru) Received: from [213.33.245.117] (port=1087 helo=spb-213-33-245-117.ppp.sovintel.spb.ru) by f4.mail.ru with asmtp id 1B501a-000Nqa-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:46 +0300 From: "CBuH." <479001601@mail.ru> Organization: -+=- To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:52:47 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403211252.51779.479001601@mail.ru> X-Spam: Not detected Subject: making the partition larger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: 479001601@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:17:49 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. Question is in enlarging the native FreeBSD partition. I have it of size X. And have 4 partitions marked, plus free unmarked 10Gb= on=20 that /dev/ad0. Want to make FreeBSD's partition bigger on those 10Gbs. Is it real? =2D --=20 CBuH. CG[CX] XVyGYjau 479001600(at)mail.ru, ICQ#70929413 GnuPG(PGP) public key is: http://www.vinnied.narod.ru/pubkey.asc http://www.vinnied.narod.ru =09 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXWXz5Cj3gqxcdCoRArQSAJ9ONh1QtBkLpT5rfXOahOXNsA5hiwCcCBzd hJ8y0QpmN3djfxXiDK8biaM=3D =3DL5ze =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 02:37:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B10716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mkd.ath.cx (67.Red-80-39-239.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.39.239.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B187543D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pelli@mkd.ath.cx) Received: by mkd.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 92FC83F44E; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:37:34 +0100 (CET) From: "Claudio M. Camacho" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:37:34 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211137.34165.claudiocamacho@vodafone.es> Subject: Networking problems behind a router's firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: claudiocamacho@vodafone.es List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:37:44 -0000 Hello all, I'm trying to use FreeBSD 5.2.1 in my computer behind a domestic ADSL modem-router. At home, we have 2 computers, 1 is a server and the router uses NAT with some port redirections; and the 2nd one is my workstation, where I use NetBSD, Linux and FreeBSD 5.2.1. The problem is the next (and it is very very weird): a) When I installed FreeBSD 5.2.1; i also installed cvsup-without-gui (latest version) and I tried to update my src and my ports, but the program was stopped at these lines: Establesing multiplexed-mode Runnig... That's all, I couldn't download any delta. b) If I try to use traditional CVS, I can use cvs checkout to download the entire source tree, or even ports tree. But, once I have got all the tree, if I go into the tree (both src and ports) and I try to cvs update, the program is stopped at the beginning and it doesn't download anything. c) Even all, I played with cvsup -P port (openning that port in my firewall), -P - (for passive connections as CVS uses), -P a, and -P m. But none above worked, so I'm frustrated. The very very weird thing is that I said, I yes can download trough 'cvs co src'; but once I've got all the src tree, if I get into and I try: 'cvs update'; the cvs establishes the both passive connections with the server but nothing is downloaded; and I get a Timed Out Connection in about 10 minutes. I can use deltas because I use normal FTP connections, but I prefer pretty much the cvsup due to confortability and ease. These problems didn't happen with FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE nor 4.8-RELEASE, but yes with 5.X branches. I use FreeBSD since 2 years ago and I'm sure there's no errors in supfiles even I used CVS and it is not working. Can anyone help me please? P.S.- I was reading a lot of mails about problems with cvsup behind firewall, but all people solved them openning any port in firewall and then using -P port with cvsup. But it doesn't works for me, I open the port but the server doesn't connect back to me (using above port). -- /*** mkd ***/ Claudio M. Camacho http://mkd.ath.cx From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 02:56:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F6016A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.wurldlink.net [66.193.144.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4752343D1D; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (vince@localhost.WURLDLINK.NET [127.0.0.1]) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2LAtIqQ029103; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:55:28 -1000 (HST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost)i2LAtHvI029100; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:55:17 -1000 (HST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:55:17 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Luigi Rizzo In-Reply-To: <20040321002527.A20048@xorpc.icir.org> Message-ID: <20040321005330.J8264-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latency problem with traffic shaping (ipfw/dummynet) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:56:24 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:56:08PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > ... > > > the above configuration means that if queue 1 is getting a bandwidth > > > X, then queue 2 will get 0.99X, queue 3 will get 0.98X, queue > > > 4 will get 0.97X. Hardly matching any reasonable definition of high-mid-low > > > priority! > > > > Hmm, I think I did it that way because 100 is the largest number > > and I didn't decide on how many queues I may add later so the numbers will > > change but does the weight number really mean 99%, 98%, 97% priority? So > > should it really be 66, 33, and 1? > > no, the weights mean exactly what i wrote above, and they > are weights not priorities. As to the values to use, > that's entirely up to you. Just as I thought. I rebooted and latencies have gone down. It seems that latency when the pipes are filled are always 50-100ms slower on boxes behind the FreeBSD box. One question though, with ipfw pipe show or ipfw queue show, is it supposed to show all traffic that matches the queue rule or just only one? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 03:47:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D2016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8028243D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@spooty.net) Received: from m54-mp1.cvx3-b.pop.dial.ntli.net ([80.1.84.54]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.comESMTP <20040321114727.WLAS5004.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@m54-mp1.cvx3-b.pop.dial.ntli.net> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:47:27 +0000 From: Ben Paley To: "freebsd -questions@" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:42:00 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403211139.02480.ben@spooty.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: fetch, modification time and -F X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:47:28 -0000 Hello, I'm on a free dial-up (crap but cheap, as the Levellers used to say) and the connection drops quite often. As a result I often get left with bits of files half downloaded. Abou half the time I can pick them up using -rR without any problems, and the rest of the time I get a "local modification time does not match remote blah blah" error, so I have to use -F to force it. That's not too bad if I'm actually at the machine, but as soon as I try to automate something it's a total wind-up: for instance, trying to do portupgrade -RF kde. So my question is how can I stop this happening? Should I set it somewhere (where?) so that fetch automatically assumes -F when run from make or portinstall or whatever? And would that be safe? OR, should I reset my system clock which I think is pretty accurate at the moment? OR, do I just have to put up with it till I can get a proper connection? Thanks for your help, Cheers, Ben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 03:49:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828A716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB1543D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gerard-seibert@rcn.com) Received: from 207-237-110-41.c3-0.crm-ubr4.crm.ny.cable.rcn.com ([207.237.110.41] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1B51Rx-0004oR-00; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:49:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:49:06 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: Gerard@FreeBSD.ORG, Seibert@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20040321003914.599A216A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20040321003914.599A216A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: <20040321064335.7DF2.GERARD-SEIBERT@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.08.01 [en] cc: Kent Stewart Subject: Re: special characters, ie spanish accents X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gerard-seibert@rcn.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:49:06 -0000 On Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:39:14 PM Kent Stewart wrote: |>Message: 38 |>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:37:50 -0800 |>From: Kent Stewart |>Subject: Re: special characters, ie spanish accents |>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org |>Cc: chip |>Message-ID: <200403201637.50289.kstewart@owt.com> |>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" |> |>On Saturday 20 March 2004 03:46 pm, chip wrote: |>> How do I get the special characters to work, which work in MS Windoze |>> using the conbination of right-alt+4digit code? I need to be able to |>> use certain accents and characters found in spanish writing. I am |>> using FBSD-5.1 with XFCE window manager. |>> Thanks, |>> Chip |>> |> |>I use kde-3.2.1, which allows you to set the |>regional and accessability > keyboard layouts. I use the es Spanish |>option. You don't have to do the terrible alt+keypad sequence.. There |>are a lot of people that have used xdb to do the same thing. Do an |>archive search. |> |>BTW, you can do the same thing with W2K or XP. You choose the keyboard |>layout and you hold the right down to switch. If you do a |>web search on keyboard layouts and go to the Microsoft site, you can |>grab images of the keyboard. |> |>Kent |> |>--- |>Kent Stewart |>Richland, WA |> |>http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ********** Reply Separator ********** Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:43:35 AM I have no intentions of starting an argument, however I do seriously disagree with your assessment that using the + sequence is terrible. I find it to be a very ingenious and quick way to insert characters without going through he hassle of changing keyboard assignments, etc. This becomes even more important when there is the possibility that others may be using the same computer and are not aware that changes have been made to the system. Well that is my 2¢ {<155>} worth. Gerard Seibert gerard-seibert@rcn.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 03:49:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA63716A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AB043D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freeBSD@parel.demon.nl) Received: from [82.161.83.151] (helo=apocalyps.sytes.net) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1B51SV-00071o-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:49:39 +0000 From: Martijn Organization: Prive To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:49:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211249.42743.freeBSD@parel.demon.nl> Subject: freeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:49:43 -0000 Hello, I am planning on running a BSD server with DNS and an apache server, maybe an dhcp server to. (No X). What would be the minimum requirements for this? Martijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 04:08:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAEF16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.evilcoder.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C514143D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Message-ID: <405D85CA.8010803@elvandar.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:08:42 +0100 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martijn References: <200403211249.42743.freeBSD@parel.demon.nl> In-Reply-To: <200403211249.42743.freeBSD@parel.demon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: for evilcoder.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:08:51 -0000 Martijn wrote: > Hello, > > I am planning on running a BSD server with DNS and an apache server, maybe an > dhcp server to. (No X). What would be the minimum requirements for this? > > Martijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, What do you think the load would be on the host? It can work on a PII 233Mhz 64mb , or maybe less when not used often, but when it has a real load each day perhaps you want more cpu and memory power. Also, are you going to serve plain html files? or also dynamic content... -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 04:17:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E42016A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D284C43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:17:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C392E32D8 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:15:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23480-01-29 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:15:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (dyn-81-5-132-49.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [81.5.132.49]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07112E3441 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:15:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <405D86E4.9000908@thingy.apana.org.au> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:13:24 +0000 From: David Gerard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040129 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <40579749.6010201@velvet.net> In-Reply-To: <40579749.6010201@velvet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Subject: Re: 4.9 installation woes (on thinkpad 560X) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:17:16 -0000 On 03/17/04 00:09, David Gerard wrote: > I was advised by a few people (including the laptop's previous owner) that > FreeBSD 5.x would be quite difficult to get working with sound, and that > it would be a better idea to try with 4.9. > I have just spent a few hours carefully reinstalling the laptop with > FreeBSD 4.9. Restart for its first boot ... and it won't. It sits there at > F1 DOS > F2 FreeBSD > Default: F2 _ > and seems to consider the keyboard beneath its notice. Odd, since the > caps lock light goes on and off as expected. But nothing will get it off > this screen. > The DOS partition is a 20 meg partition for IBM system tools, as yet not > installed. It's also before the FreeBSD partition on the disk, if that's > relevant. Wiped and tried again. First with the whole disk as a FreeBSD partition, to see if 4.9 would go on at all (it did). Then with FreeBSD as the *first* partition, and a DOS partition taking the other half of the disk (my wife has decided the laptop will be more usable dual-booting into Windows). Now it's working fine :-) Still haven't got sound going, but will let the list know when I do! - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 04:40:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D078F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from deluge.umist.ac.uk (deluge.umist.ac.uk [130.88.120.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CC743D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lewiz@fajita.org) Received: from lh014.halls.umist.ac.uk ([130.88.163.14] helo=infidel.fajita.org) by deluge.umist.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B52Fz-00045k-7O; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:47 +0000 Received: from majic.fajita.org (majic.fajita.org [192.168.0.4]) by infidel.fajita.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LCeVo8017660; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:31 GMT (envelope-from lewiz@fajita.org) Received: (from lewiz@localhost) by majic.fajita.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2LCeVjt017659; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:31 GMT (envelope-from lewiz) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:31 +0000 From: Lewis Thompson To: "CBuH." <479001601@mail.ru> Message-ID: <20040321124031.GA17634@lewiz.org> Mail-Followup-To: Lewis Thompson , "CBuH." <479001601@mail.ru>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200403211252.51779.479001601@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403211252.51779.479001601@mail.ru> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 90A4 939E 3847 A3E4 8103 2A48 22DA B428 542F ED3F X-GPG-Info: http://www.lewiz.org/~lewiz/pgpkey / horowitz.surfnet.nl User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: making the partition larger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:48 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:52:47PM +0300, CBuH. wrote: > I have it of size X. And have 4 partitions marked, plus free unmarked > 10Gb on that /dev/ad0. Want to make FreeBSD's partition bigger on > those 10Gbs. It depends on where the free space is. If you mean growing the FreeBSD slice (which is BSD language for a DOS partition) then I don't think you can. However, if it is unallocated space in the slice take a look at the growfs man page. You'll probably need to use bsdlabel/disklabel to edit your slice partition table. Searching for bsdlabel and growfs will probably help too. -lewiz. --=20 I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. --Bob Dylan, 1964. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -| msn:purple@lewiz.net | jabber:lewiz@jabber.org | url:www.lewiz.org |- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXY0/Itq0KFQv7T8RAjAfAKCZOKCtRFjGzYxB4ojN6BJ3RbfaQACg+8dj 8h2mTVHN++aIjnu72tk6jRs= =MR5o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 04:47:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B365416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp105.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp105.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.169.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AF2543D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tengmanfung@yahoo.com.hk) Received: from unknown (HELO WinXP) (tengmanfung@218.252.236.133 with login) by smtp105.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 12:47:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c40f42$a804edd0$0200a8c0@WinXP> From: "Fung" To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:45:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: About distributing FreeBSD CD & DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:47:15 -0000 If I want to distribute FreeBSD CD/DVD in China,=20 like FreeBSD Mall & BSD Mall. 1. Can I design my own CD cover, BOX. 2. How can my company name maintained in the handbook "Appendix A.1 = CDROM and DVD Publishers" 3. Is there any restriction, limitation on selling FreeBSD CD/DVD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 04:50:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D19916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9232643D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:50:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dlmurray@ij.net) Received: (qmail 68406 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 12:50:15 -0000 Received: from www.czechartglass.com (HELO ij.net) (dlmurray@209.216.82.66) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 12:50:15 -0000 Message-ID: <405D8F89.6050002@ij.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:50:17 -0500 From: "David L. Murray" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7a) Gecko/20040225 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Keyboard won't work. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:50:17 -0000 When trying to install BreeBSD 5.2, I can't get past the main Sysinstall screen. The system won't respond to keyboard commands. I'm trying to install from CD purchased from BSD Mall. I use hard drive trays on my computer and am writing this my eComstation drive. I've been able to glean from the messages that fly by, this concerning the keyboard. It is on IRQ1 keyboard attach attach returned 6 atkbd0 attach returned 6 It is an old IBM PS2 keyboard Motherboard EPOX 8K5A2+ Chipset VIA KT333 AGPset (KT333 + VT8235) Video card ATI Radeon 9000 Hard Drive IBM DTTA-371010 E182115 HG 10.1 GB CD-RW Plextor PX-W4824TA Processor AMD Athlon XP 2400+ I went to the manual web pages and looked up the returned 6 code. It said the device was not configured, essentially, it said input or output on a special file referred to a device that did not exist or made or made a request beyond the limits of the device. I found nothing in the Handbook referring to this. Any suggestions. There isn't much I can do if the the system doesn't respond to the keyboard. As you can see the keyboard works fine. It also works fine with my Linux drive. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 20 06:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFB416A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f43.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEE643D2F for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from weiwuzhang@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:10:14 -0800 Received: from 218.85.100.248 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:10:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.85.100.248] X-Originating-Email: [weiwuzhang@hotmail.com] X-Sender: weiwuzhang@hotmail.com From: "Zhang Weiwu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:10:14 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 14:10:14.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[1088DA60:01C40E85] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:21:11 -0800 Subject: what's the difference of -R and -r? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: zhangweiwu@realss.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:10:14 -0000 >From cp(1): Historic versions of the cp utility had a -r option. This implementation supports that option, however, its use is strongly discouraged, as it does not correctly copy special files, symbolic links or fifo's. So I keep using -R rather than -r in cp. But I found other commands like scp(1), ncftp(1), does not support -R; they use -r. Does that mean other tools like scp, ncftp, do not copy special files, follow symbolic links rather than re-create them, do not deal with fifo's correctly? I think it is reasonable, because creating symbolic links cross different hosts is useless, so it is with special files. About fifo files, I don;t know what that is:) _________________________________________________________________ ÓëÁª»úµÄÅóÓѽøÐн»Á÷£¬ÇëʹÓà MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 20 18:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4046D16A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E5C43D31 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from NEWDELL (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004032102003501400ev9fne>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:00:35 +0000 From: "GP" To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:02:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40EAD.F5A6FFF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:21:11 -0800 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: hueygeorge@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:00:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40EAD.F5A6FFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and still I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I thought you might be the right choice. What should I do? Thanks, George hueygeorge@comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C40EAD.F5A6FFF0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 05:23:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9E016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.evilcoder.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F3243D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Message-ID: <405D9758.2090904@elvandar.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:23:36 +0100 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hueygeorge@comcast.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: for evilcoder.org cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:23:40 -0000 GP wrote: > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn > any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and still > I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms > and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. > I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I > thought you might be the right choice. > What should I do? > > Thanks, > > George > hueygeorge@comcast.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi George, Can you describe your problem in more detail, since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have dependencies. So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? Thanks, -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 05:26:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B52A16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1034543D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raffa_supernova@yahoo.it) Received: from raffa.yahoo.it (151.27.38.6) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 40489115004102DA for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:35 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040321142546.01d5ba00@pop.mail.yahoo.it> X-Sender: raffa_supernova@pop.mail.yahoo.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:07 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Raffaele Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: irq 128 assignment on Mitac 6120 laptop!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:26:11 -0000 Hi, I have a problem for assignment IRQ for USB controller (Intel PIIX4) in my Mitac Notebook. The kernel (FreeBSD 4.8/4.9) assign IRQ 128 at the boot and he don' t work! My BIOS don't have options for enable/disable "Pnp OS = True/False" (I think that this is the problem! ), and Mitac don't relase any bios upgrade. Under WinXP and whit Linux kernel 2.4 the controller work ok.In kernel LINT i don't find any options for this case... Can i solve this problem? Thank's and sorry for my bad English. cheer's Raffaele From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 05:43:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC9316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B0343D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:43:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johnmills@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 23048 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 13:43:06 -0000 Received: from dsl027-162-100.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO otter.localdomain) ([216.27.162.100]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Mar 2004 13:43:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jmills@localhost) by otter.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2LDh7Z26838; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:43:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: otter.localdomain: jmills owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:43:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Mills X-X-Sender: jmills@otter.localdomain To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <1079851883.474.111.camel@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: ecrist@adtechintegrated.com Subject: Re: Best *nix OS for a laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Mills List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:43:07 -0000 Eric, Freebies - I ended up with Linux for some specific reasons. YMMV. On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 17:42, Eric F Crist wrote: > Could some of you please send me an email telling me what OS you utilize on > your laptop, and why? I'm not looking for anyone bashing any other OS, just > why you use what you do. I am working on a Linux development project, have very limited funds, and spend many weekends out of town. I was given an elderly Toshiba (430CDT) that was a casualty of the class-action suit a few years ago, about their handling of CPU and/or BIOS problems. I wanted a setup that would parallel the code development environment of my RH-7.3/X11 Linux setup. I expanded the RAM to 49 MBy but was still unable to run any installer I could find for a RedHat setup. ('Slinky' bit me viciously.) I was able to run the Slackware-9.1 Linux console installer without problems, and by being very careful I even fitted a few frills into the system's 1.2 GBy HDD. It generally works (sllooowwwlly), though I sometimes crash my X session when some app ties up the resources (i.e., there seems to be a minimum hardware base for stability and I'm not _quite_ there). Otherwise it meets my requirements perfectly. I'm typing this now by SSH login to my home system over a [miserable] dial-up account, and at home I put it on my LAN and it works fine. X11 takes a long time to start, but is responsive once it's going. I use WindowMaker because KDE and GNOME are pretty much out of the question with so little RAM: they swap all the time and KDE takes _many_ seconds to even find a keystroke. WM is fine. I didn't try other lightweight window managers ('fvwm', 'fluxbox', ...), but any of them would probably have worked out. I installed from a boot floppy and CDs of the packages. I expect to install future Linux systems from Slackware after about 6 years of RedHat (though my early setups were Slackware). Naturally I'm heavily influenced by my anecdotal experience. I don't have sound working, and the only power management is screen blanking, c/o XFree86. I am sure I could have installed a good freeBSD configuration; I recently installed FBSD by ftp in a junker desktop that didn't even have a CD drive. As soon as the Linux project works I plan to port it to FBSD due to its fine reputation as a server environment, but the client asked for Linux and I have more development experience (and a good working setup) in Linux. Bottom line: I got what I needed, but my limited hardware and specific use had a lot to do with the path I took. Regards. - John Mills john.m.mills@alum.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 06:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EB816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from kv.net.pl (zoonet.kv.net.pl [80.48.154.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8CA43D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:48:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ner0@kv.net.pl) Received: (qmail 27105 invoked by uid 98); 21 Mar 2004 14:58:09 -0000 Received: from ner0@kv.net.pl by serwer.kv.net.pl by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20 Clear:RC:0(192.168.0.28):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. Processed in 6.490307 secs); 21 Mar 2004 14:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nero) (ner0@192.168.0.28) by zoonet.kv.net.pl with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 14:58:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c40f53$c0b36120$1c00a8c0@nero> From: "ner0" To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:49:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on serwer.kv.net.pl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Mandatory Access Control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:48:36 -0000 Hello, Where can i find good tutorial / hints / document (or other) about MAC and maclabels. I asked on usenet, i searched in google and there is nothing any good resources. Why itsn't have good documentation? I got first small problem: # touch 1 # getfmac 1 1: biba/high # setfmac biba/low 1 setfmac: labeling not supported in 1 # why? I did (tunefs -l enable), I have MAC option in kernel, and mac biba enabled in loader.conf I only try to build very secure system but I don't know how to use mac. Thanks for any help. -- ner0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 07:23:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35E816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.balius.com (rrcs-nys-24-24-63-86.biz.rr.com [24.24.63.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B0743D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cms@balius.com) Received: from conversion-daemon.peppy.amotken.com by peppy.amotken.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) id <0HUX00101MJOAE@peppy.amotken.com> (original mail from cms@balius.com) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.199] by peppy.amotken.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HUX00M05MJIU2@peppy.amotken.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:19:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:22:54 -0500 From: Chad M Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-643643343 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Operating-System: Darwin Hagrid 7.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.2.0 X-Chads-Rule: If you use Outlook, my rules automatically put your messages in my Junk Mail folder X-Mac: It Just Rocks X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.1 (v33, 10.3) Subject: jail - updating/patching X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:23:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-643643343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've got my first jail up and working, installed Apache and just generally poking around. There is one area of jail management that I've not found any documentation for. How does one keep it up to date? Keeping things from ports updated is straight forward, the same as any real host. I'm wondering about things that were placed there by the 'make installworld DESTDIR='. How are those things kept up to date? Later down the road when I update the host system to the latest -stable branch, how would my jails be affected? upgraded? I'm doing this on 4.9-RELEASE-p4. Thanks, Chad --Apple-Mail-1-643643343 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAXbNOC67gpzQm6aERAutdAJ0a7m6Rsv+98G6fR9RYR0bVl9LQ7QCdFleG rlbr8Xa8DmfOpIx1u++xNHM= =Scz1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-643643343-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 07:39:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BB616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bdhi.homeunix.net (roc-66-66-96-57.rochester.rr.com [66.66.96.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB1443D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blkdrgn@bdhi.homeunix.net) Received: from bdhi.homeunix.net (black_dragon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bdhi.homeunix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2LFdnwh089330; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from blkdrgn@bdhi.homeunix.net) Received: (from blkdrgn@localhost) by bdhi.homeunix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i2LFdmYg089329; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:39:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from blkdrgn) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:39:48 -0500 From: Black Dragon To: Dan MacMillan Message-ID: <20040321153947.GA89254@bdhi.homeunix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT i386 Organization: Black Dragon Heavy Industries cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: zhangweiwu@realss.com Subject: Re: time sync tool? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:39:51 -0000 On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:44:57PM -0700, Dan MacMillan wrote: > > Zhang Weiwu Sent: March 20, 2004 20:28 > > > > Hello. Is there a time sync tool for FreeBSD? My local clock seems alway > > several minutes late, can I run a daemon and sync with a time server once > > several day? > > Yes, there is. Take a look at man ntpd(8). See also: man rc.conf(5) -- Black Dragon blkdrgn@bdhi.homeunix.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 07:41:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A6016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from febo.com (rrcs-central-24-123-66-139.biz.rr.com [24.123.66.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A262443D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jra@febo.com) Received: from ip007.febo.com ([192.168.1.7] helo=febo.com ident=jra) by febo.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B554p-000248-00 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <405DB7A6.6000508@febo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:41:26 -0500 From: John Ackermann N8UR User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SIO flags -- setting and checking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:41:27 -0000 Hi -- I am running FreeBSD 4.9 on a system whose sole purpose in life is to be an NTP time server. It has two reference clocks attached that communicate via serial ports. I've built my own kernel to incorporate the "PPS" API and kernel timekeeping discipline (no patches of my own; just enabling options). To get maximum performance from these clocks, it's important to minimize the jitter in the serial data stream. To do that, I've also modified the kernel options to set flags 0x02 (disable FIFO) on the two sio ports that talk to my clocks; this lowers jitter by letting the characters get out of the UART one at a time, rather than in bunches. I am getting the expected results on one of the serial ports and one of the clocks, but the other port is not showing the performance I would expect. Therefore, I'm trying to troubleshoot (and by the way, when I'm finished this info is going into the NTP Wiki which serves as an FAQ). I have three questions: First, on a 4.9 system is there a way to change the sio flags short of rebuilding the kernel? I know there's a mechanism for 5.0, but I haven't been able to figure out if there's an easier way for my system. Second, is there a way short of looking at the kernel configuration files to tell what flags are actually set on an sio port? Third, is there any other tweaking that might improve the jitter in the serial data stream. Note that actual latency isn't a problem as I can compensate for that, but smoothness of the data flow is the key thing. Buffers are bad for this application! Thanks! John Ackermann jra@febo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 08:12:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B09D16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E34843D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) i2LGCGG3073896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:12:16 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i2LGCG8o073895; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:12:16 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:12:16 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Chad M Stewart Message-ID: <20040321161216.GB73790@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Chad M Stewart , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gj572EiMnwbLXET9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040316, clamav-milter version 0.67l cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail - updating/patching X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:12:35 -0000 --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 10:22:54AM -0500, Chad M Stewart wrote: >=20 > I've got my first jail up and working, installed Apache and just=20 > generally poking around. There is one area of jail management that=20 > I've not found any documentation for. How does one keep it up to date?= =20 > Keeping things from ports updated is straight forward, the same as=20 > any real host. I'm wondering about things that were placed there by=20 > the 'make installworld DESTDIR=3D'. How are those things= =20 > kept up to date? Later down the road when I update the host system to=20 > the latest -stable branch, how would my jails be affected? upgraded? If it's a fat jail (as described in the jail(8) man page, then you can keep it up to date by doing: # make installworld DESTDIR=3D/path/to/jail then log into the jail, and run 'mergemaster'. You should incorporate these stages into whatever your routine is for doing system upgrades, so you keep jail and host system updated in synch. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --gj572EiMnwbLXET9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXb7gdtESqEQa7a0RAoeIAJ9POIjQAXcJHVjtU6lBTPQlLmBZcgCeKFeg 1ZqM0KfKc+LlFAq0MvtADU0= =2wOk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gj572EiMnwbLXET9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 08:53:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C7616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB0943D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2LGrgm2022143; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] ([199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2LGrfYO022350; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20040320191204.15673.h009.c001.wm@mail.lissaganda.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20040320191204.15673.h009.c001.wm@mail.lissaganda.com.criticalpath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B79960C-7B58-11D8-9E42-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:53:36 -0500 To: kisha@lissaganda.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .mbox extension question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:53:43 -0000 On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:12 PM, kisha@lissaganda.com wrote: > how do i extract file.mbox? A ".mbox" file is simply a bunch of email messages appended to one another, but normally you don't need to do anything special with it: your mail reader, or a POP or IMAP server should understand the contents as-is. However, if you want to process each message individually, look at formail, which is part of the mail/procmail port... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 08:53:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC10F16A4F0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFD443D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3FC9634478; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:53:59 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCD334067; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:53:59 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:53:59 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Remko Lodder In-Reply-To: <405D9758.2090904@elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040321125308.C98092@ganymede.hub.org> References: <405D9758.2090904@elvandar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org cc: hueygeorge@comcast.net Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:53:57 -0000 I'd be curious as to what brands of CDrom/DVDs he's running myself ... I've never had a problem loading up on any CDRom I've ever used, and I thought that CDroms were pretty standard, like floppies, nowadays .. On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Remko Lodder wrote: > GP wrote: > > > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn > > any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and still > > I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms > > and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. > > I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I > > thought you might be the right choice. > > What should I do? > > > > Thanks, > > > > George > > hueygeorge@comcast.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi George, > > Can you describe your problem in more detail, > since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you > have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have > dependencies. > > So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? > > Thanks, > > -- > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 08:56:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A1F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from makeworld.com (chcgil2-ar9-4-60-214-019.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.214.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845D343D45 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (racerx@evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.46.162.188]) by makeworld.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LGtt4V057686; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:55:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) From: Chris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:55:54 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040320191204.15673.h009.c001.wm@mail.lissaganda.com.criticalpath.net> <4B79960C-7B58-11D8-9E42-003065ABFD92@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <4B79960C-7B58-11D8-9E42-003065ABFD92@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211055.54799.racerx@makeworld.com> cc: kisha@lissaganda.com Subject: Re: .mbox extension question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:56:06 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:12 PM, kisha@lissaganda.com wrote: > > how do i extract file.mbox? Perhaps he's looking to salvage the mail in mbox to be exported to outlook/express? -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:00:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from makeworld.com (chcgil2-ar9-4-60-214-019.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.214.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255FD43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (racerx@evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.46.162.188]) by makeworld.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LH0g4V057727; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) From: Chris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:41 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <405D9758.2090904@elvandar.org> <20040321125308.C98092@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20040321125308.C98092@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211100.41589.racerx@makeworld.com> cc: Remko Lodder cc: hueygeorge@comcast.net Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:00:49 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I'd be curious as to what brands of CDrom/DVDs he's running myself ... > I've never had a problem loading up on any CDRom I've ever used, and I > thought that CDroms were pretty standard, like floppies, nowadays .. > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Remko Lodder wrote: > > GP wrote: > > > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to > > > turn any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." > > > and still I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out > > > that the 3 CD-Roms and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by > > > you. Let's look at his wording - The last line. Compatible or supported by you (meaning FreeBSD I assume). So - where did he buy this box? Did he order it via The "Mall"? Is it some other vender like cheap CD's or what ever it's called. I find this very hard to believe - so with that, Why not look to your PC's bios and ensure that your CD Reader is set as the 1st boot device. Then we'll work from there. -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:09:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC6616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AB643D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2LH95EK018186; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] ([199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2LH93YO025914; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:09:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200403211249.42743.freeBSD@parel.demon.nl> References: <200403211249.42743.freeBSD@parel.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7198670E-7B5A-11D8-9E42-003065ABFD92@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:08:59 -0500 To: Martijn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freeBSD server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:09:06 -0000 On Mar 21, 2004, at 6:49 AM, Martijn wrote: > I am planning on running a BSD server with DNS and an apache server, > maybe an > dhcp server to. (No X). What would be the minimum requirements for > this? DNS and DHCP are relatively lightweight, so the main question is how much traffic you expect the web server to handle. If you're going to handle less than 100K hits per day (approx 1 hit per second), you're only going to need something like a Pentium-100 grade machine with 32MB of RAM. If you generate dynamic content rather than serving up static HTML, your workload and requirements will go up quite a bit, since dynamic websites generally involve some combination of a database and Perl, Python, or some other scripting language... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:16:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C771E16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.tiscali.de (relay1.tiscali.de [62.26.116.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637E043D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sa.deutscher@tiscali.de) Received: from localhost (217.235.14.109) by webmail.tiscali.de (6.7.019) id 40472DBC0061EB4A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:16:28 +0100 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) id SAA653.47; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:30:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:30:20 +0000 From: "Stefan A. Deutscher" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040321183020.A64884@tiscali.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 2.45 X-Machine-Uptime: localhost: uptime is 11 days, 20:50 hours and 28 seconds Subject: [Q] Best location of ntpd driftfile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sad@mailaps.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:16:29 -0000 Hi all, setting up ntpd, I find that its default location for the drift file is /etc/ntp.drift. In a way it is part of the configuration an may well belong in /etc, on the other hand I'd rather just have files in /etc which _I_ modify. I would expect the content of ntpd.drift to vary over time, and somehow I would have expected it to belong in the /var part of the hierarchy, but 'man hier' does not offer any serious evidence (should it be /var/db/ntp.dift)? So, what's the canonical way to place this file? (And no, I do _not_ want to know at this time whether anal-retentive is spelt with or without a hyphen. I will post that question in a separate thread as need arises :-) Cheers, Stefan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:34:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BF516A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17743D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2LHYQU0024902; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] ([199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2LHYOe5008098; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20040321183020.A64884@tiscali.de> References: <20040321183020.A64884@tiscali.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:34:20 -0500 To: sad@mailaps.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Best location of ntpd driftfile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:34:26 -0000 On Mar 21, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Stefan A. Deutscher wrote: > setting up ntpd, I find that its default location for the drift file > is /etc/ntp.drift. Right, and that is probably the best location, too. > In a way it is part of the configuration an may well belong in /etc, on > the other hand I'd rather just have files in /etc which _I_ modify. At one point (15 years ago :-), some people used to modify the contents of ntp.drift by hand. This was for machines which were not connected to a network; by keeping track of the system time drift against an external time reference source over the course of a few weeks, one could compute the right value for ntp.drift and then run ntpd to correct that drift. > I would expect the content of ntpd.drift to vary over time, ntp.drift normally converges and stabilizes after a while (a few days to a few weeks), unless the hardware clock is bad. > and somehow I would have expected it to belong in the /var part of the > hierarchy, but 'man hier' does not offer any serious evidence (should > it be > /var/db/ntp.dift)? Hmm. Well, ntpd predates the notion of /var, but you could put the drift file under there if you wanted to. I think keeping DNS zone files under /var/named makes a lot more sense than under /etc/named, for instance, but I wouldn't move ntp.drift out of /etc myself. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:40:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C226C16A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-45.apple.com [17.250.248.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04A943D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2LHeCm2016278 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] ([199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2LHeBYO003385 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:40:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <200403211055.54799.racerx@makeworld.com> References: <20040320191204.15673.h009.c001.wm@mail.lissaganda.com.criticalpath.net> <4B79960C-7B58-11D8-9E42-003065ABFD92@mac.com> <200403211055.54799.racerx@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "FreeBSD Questions list'" From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:40:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Subject: Re: .mbox extension question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:40:12 -0000 On Mar 21, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Chris wrote: > On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Charles Swiger wrote: >> On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:12 PM, kisha@lissaganda.com wrote: >>> how do i extract file.mbox? > [ ... ] > Perhaps he's looking to salvage the mail in mbox to be exported to > outlook/express? I vaguely recall that Outlook/OE had an "import Unix mail" capability that would accept a .mbox file as-is. If not, I suspect it would be easier to place that file in ~/mbox or whatever, run a popd, and grab the mail via POP... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:46:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A2C16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from makeworld.com (chcgil2-ar9-4-60-214-019.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.214.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9F243D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (racerx@evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.46.162.188]) by makeworld.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LHk94V057974; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:46:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) From: Chris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:46:09 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040320191204.15673.h009.c001.wm@mail.lissaganda.com.criticalpath.net> <200403211055.54799.racerx@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211146.09013.racerx@makeworld.com> Subject: Re: .mbox extension question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:46:13 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:40 am, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Mar 21, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Chris wrote: > > On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Charles Swiger wrote: > >> On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:12 PM, kisha@lissaganda.com wrote: > >>> how do i extract file.mbox? > > > > [ ... ] > > Perhaps he's looking to salvage the mail in mbox to be exported to > > outlook/express? > > I vaguely recall that Outlook/OE had an "import Unix mail" capability > that would accept a .mbox file as-is. If not, I suspect it would be > easier to place that file in ~/mbox or whatever, run a popd, and grab > the mail via POP... There are utils in the ports (currently escapes me) however, they really don't work all that well. Oh well - it was just a guess anyhow. -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:49:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9B216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:49:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B17B43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from timh@contentspace.demon.co.uk) Received: from contentspace.demon.co.uk ([80.177.161.24] helo=[192.168.0.162]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B574R-000OGK-0V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:49:11 +0000 From: Tim Hawkins Organization: Yahoo Inc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:49:02 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211749.02746.timh@contentspace.demon.co.uk> Subject: ndiscvt in -current X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: timh@contentspace.demon.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:49:12 -0000 Does anybody know if the is an official help/howto/webpage for Project Evil, Im trying to get my Broadcom wireless card running and the man pages are less than usefull. -- Regards Tim Hawkins From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:54:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A10716A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661BB43D46 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws (ppp34-232.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net [150.101.34.232]) i2LHs6UK037762; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:24:08 +1030 (CST) X-Envelope-From: ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [192.168.100.132] (ppp34-232.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net [150.101.34.232])i2LHs56i098863; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:24:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws) From: Wayne Sierke To: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: References: <20040321183020.A64884@tiscali.de> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1079891644.689.126.camel@ovirt.dyndns.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:24:04 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) X-Scanned-By: F-Prot X-Scanned-By: ClamAV X-Spam-Score: 0 () cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: sad@mailaps.org Subject: Re: [Q] Best location of ntpd driftfile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:54:11 -0000 On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 04:04, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Mar 21, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Stefan A. Deutscher wrote: > > setting up ntpd, I find that its default location for the drift file > > is /etc/ntp.drift. > > Right, and that is probably the best location, too. > Looks like it's been moved to /var/db/ntpd.drift in FreeBSD-5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 09:56:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7114916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AB443D46 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from vixen42 ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040321175651.NOMU10550.lakemtao08.cox.net@vixen42> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:56:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:54:00 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321095400.47f97035@vixen42.> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portupgrade error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:56:54 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:57:34 -0500 "Ralph M. Los" wrote: > Has anyone ever had this problem: > > ralph@~>portupgrade mozilla-devel > /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:35:in `require': No such file to load -- > pkgtools (LoadError) > from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:35 Try rebuilding the pkgdb first, iirc that will some times cuase an error like that. You want to rebuild it in fix it. If that does not fix it, reinstall the port... There is one update depending on what you have installed, that iirc, will also cuase an error like that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:02:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108D816A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [204.118.6.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847A143D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from [207.41.94.233] (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by smtp.owt.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2LI1WmH025346; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:01:33 -0800 From: Kent Stewart To: gerard-seibert@rcn.com Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:02:09 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040321003914.599A216A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> <20040321064335.7DF2.GERARD-SEIBERT@rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <20040321064335.7DF2.GERARD-SEIBERT@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200403211002.09926.kstewart@owt.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: special characters, ie spanish accents X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:02:12 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 03:49 am, Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:39:14 PM Kent Stewart =20 wrote: > |>Message: 38 > |>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:37:50 -0800 > |>From: Kent Stewart > |>Subject: Re: special characters, ie spanish accents > |>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > |>Cc: chip > |>Message-ID: <200403201637.50289.kstewart@owt.com> > |>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > |> > |>On Saturday 20 March 2004 03:46 pm, chip wrote: > |>> How do I get the special characters to work, which work in MS > |>> Windoze using the conbination of right-alt+4digit code? I need to > |>> be able to use certain accents and characters found in spanish > |>> writing. I am using FBSD-5.1 with XFCE window manager. > |>> Thanks, > |>> Chip > |> > |>I use kde-3.2.1, which allows you to set the > |>regional and accessability > keyboard layouts. I use the es Spanish > |>option. You don't have to do the terrible alt+keypad sequence.. > |> There are a lot of people that have used xdb to do the same thing. > |> Do an archive search. > |> > |>BTW, you can do the same thing with W2K or XP. You choose the > |> keyboard layout and you hold the right down to > |> switch. If you do a web search on keyboard layouts and go to the > |> Microsoft site, you can grab images of the keyboard. > |> > |>Kent > |> > |>--- > |>Kent Stewart > |>Richland, WA > |> > |>http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html > > ********** Reply Separator ********** > Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:43:35 AM > > > I have no intentions of starting an argument, however I do seriously > disagree with your assessment that using the + > sequence is terrible. I find it to be a very ingenious and quick way > to insert characters without going through he hassle of changing > keyboard assignments, etc. This becomes even more important when > there is the possibility that others may be using the same computer > and are not aware that changes have been made to the system. > > Well that is my 2=A2 {<155>} worth. > It isn't something to argue about. What you are the most comfortable=20 with is always the best way. I used the sequence for a=20 number of years. I didn't make a real effort to switch to something=20 else until I found that the sequence was not being=20 interpreted on all computers as the same character. I take a document sent from a Mac OS/X machine and convert it into html.=20 The Mac bullets became a =A5 on my FreeBSD system. Finding a sequence to=20 make sed batch convert them into html bullets was interesting :). If you are only going to add a few characters, your may be=20 the most efficient. I have to press 2 at the same time and then press 2=20 keys to get the special character. You are ahead at this point because=20 I am going to have to press 2 more at the same time to switch back. If=20 we are writing a paragraph or so, I will be ahead on keystrokes at the=20 2nd special character. Speed wise, I may be ahead regardless since=20 everything keeps my hands in the home key position. If you are just starting out, it is a function of what makes you=20 proficient with the least effort. Having to only memorize 10=20 characters instead of 30 is a different matter.=20 Have you ever used a keyboard layout with dead keys? For the Spanish=20 acute's, you press the apostrophy and then the key you want to acute.=20 You don't even have to take your hands away from the home positions to=20 type them. The quote is also a dead key for characters such as =DC,=20 another one for =F1, and etc. If you press a dead key and the space bar,=20 you get the original character. There is also an English International layout that gives you many of the=20 dead keys and you still see the original layout for English keyboards.=20 I think the right adds a number of characters to your choices.=20 You have to memorize where they are on the keyboard. I really hate to=20 memorize something when I have an intuitive choice with the dead keys.=20 If I was starting over, this would have probably been my first choice=20 for an alternate keyboard layout. Getting me to switch to this, at this=20 point, would be as difficult as getting you to drop the =20 sequences. It goes into my category of fixing something that isn't=20 broken. When you use layouts, you haven't really modified your keyboard but have=20 added an additional one to your choices. You have to do something=20 physical to switch from one to the other. The xdb route gives you something like e for =E9 and etc. I think it=20 is the best choice but have been too lazy to change my keyboard=20 assignment. You have a number of intuitive choices and not as much to=20 memorize as you do with the keypad sequences. If you use something like Adobe's GoLive to maintain html, it will=20 switch your dead key typed =E9 into ´ and leave your html as=20 something other computers recognize as an acute. It doesn't do this=20 with the characters. BTW, your =A2 is a really good example because it is not available on=20 either of the layouts that I use. Kent =2D-=20 Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:09:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1352A16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0235A43D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2LI9VDF020261; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] ([199.103.21.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2LI9TYO010462; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:09:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1079891644.689.126.camel@ovirt.dyndns.ws> References: <20040321183020.A64884@tiscali.de> <1079891644.689.126.camel@ovirt.dyndns.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:09:24 -0500 To: Wayne Sierke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: sad@mailaps.org Subject: Re: [Q] Best location of ntpd driftfile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:09:34 -0000 On Mar 21, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Wayne Sierke wrote: [ ...with regard to where ntp.drift should be... ] > Looks like it's been moved to /var/db/ntpd.drift in FreeBSD-5 Well, that's reasonable, too. Now that I'm thinking about this, in particular, moving files which change regularly out of /etc into /var helps one mount root (/) read-only, which is sometimes desirable for embedded appliances and the like which boot off of limited-write media like compact-flash... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:18:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF85A16A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4671E43D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob89@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([68.101.86.37]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040321181757.NUZP26108.lakemtao01.cox.net@mail.bobj.org> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0500 Received: from bobj.wb4jcm.org ([192.168.132.167]) by neti.bobj.org with esmtp; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040321125308.C98092@ganymede.hub.org> <200403211100.41589.racerx@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <200403211100.41589.racerx@makeworld.com> X-Source-System: Bob's Laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211317.56079.bob89@bobj.org> cc: GP Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:18:02 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 12:00 pm, Chris > wrote: > On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I'd be curious as to what brands of CDrom/DVDs he's running myself > > ... I've never had a problem loading up on any CDRom I've ever > > used, and I thought that CDroms were pretty standard, like > > floppies, nowadays .. > > > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Remko Lodder wrote: > > > GP wrote: > > > > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's > > > > easy to turn any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" > > > > "... any pc ..." and still I cannot get it going!? That is > > > > because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms and 2 DVDs I got > > > > none is compatible or supported by you. > > Let's look at his wording - The last line. Compatible or supported by > you (meaning FreeBSD I assume). > > So - where did he buy this box? Did he order it via The "Mall"? Is it > some other vender like cheap CD's or what ever it's called. > > I find this very hard to believe - so with that, Why not look to your > PC's bios and ensure that your CD Reader is set as the 1st boot > device. > > Then we'll work from there. I interpreted it to mean that his CD and DVD drives were not compatible with FreeBSD. I have some old drives that "are not compatible". One is so old it won't read a CD-R, for instance. Another few cannot boot, but I can install FreeBSD with them if I create boot floppies, as described in the instructions. More detail about his specific problems would certainly help. - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:25:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465A916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from asarian-host.net (mail.asarian-host.net [194.109.160.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B2043D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:25:56 -0800 (PST) SRS0=qGiDRGin=GS=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Comments: To protect the identity of the sender, certain header fields are either not shown, or masked. Anonymous email accounts can be requested by filling in the appropriate form at: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.asarian-host.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i2LIPtem050226 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:25:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from admin@asarian-host.net) From: Mark Received-SPF: pass (asarian-host.net: domain of admin@asarian-host.net designates sender IP as SASL permitted sender) Message-Id: <200403211825.I2LIPSHS050214@asarian-host.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:25:55 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: admin@asarian-host.net X-Trace: z8vqkz2AoVhtVMglKKPhekFaTMj5ELXhumoBa1HPDc6XPbiyo8jyTCRy4MELgF8vBo1kdgmdH0070VQ6mHTEaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@asarian-host.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, otherwise we are unable to process your complaint Organization: Asarian-host To: References: <1079841282.664.10.camel@osaka> <20040321065555.GE2097@dan.emsphone.com> <200403210708.I2L78Y8J027993@asarian-host.net> <200403202352.12548.kstewart@owt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Auth: Asarian-host PGP signature iQEVAwUAQF3eMzFqW1BleBN9AQEAjQf8DImUgU/YZ+voMT4W7UeIEvZM/vJ4rfY+ +aAl2GKfAujCwQRAaKC4wRcCKRciVPtLcn+twUVVG0yd75PGPJY9H1sZ8AYX/g4A rmDEd5YQRp219rUGGsHuTC4OiYdWwp05vqoKIXreDoQoFvTXqO0Xaw7ZIryFtf4k o5LxKnDp6xZj7l8Tx4eZN8x3IcADHIUlPn/fqrIcMfO073nuaI1odgsGp6x8+aVz /053O6K5Bn4D4W03RftwQWx1c1zHDKPdmyglSdlB19lbikVyfVXf5cZPy8Bykn0Y nRoS5Va0cIroyBZcvVhl9Siu4XXbWl2jdIMVCgJoRNw63KBpxSpEFg== =z3Al Subject: Re: Do I really need to rebuilding *everything* X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:25:57 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Stewart" To: Cc: "Mark" Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Do I really need to rebuilding *everything* > > Pardon my daftness, but how is a 'file' against, say, httpd, like > > this, > > > > file /usr/local/sbin/httpd > > /usr/local/sbin/httpd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, > > version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not > > stripped > > > > going to tell me whether httpd was dynamically linked against > > OpenSSL, or statically? It just tells me httpd uses shared libraries. > > Or does it mean it ONLY uses shared libraries? > > > > I use a script that I call pkgreq (pkg-required). It is > > # cat pkgreq > #! /bin/sh > cd /var/db/pkg > pkg_info -R "$1*" | more Thanks. I used this info, and the ldd command. I pretty much rebuilt everything anyway. :) I am setting up a new FreeBSD 4.9R-p3 server; and I figure now is still the time to do major changes. What about tcp_wrappers, though? I rebuild stunnel (inet-version), and it still says, stunnel 3.26 on i386-unknown-freebsd4.9 PTHREAD+LIBWRAP with OpenSSL 0.9.7c 30 Sep 2003 Odd; because the stand-alone stunnel, via the ports, seems ok: stunnel 4.04 on i386-portbld-freebsd4.9 PTHREAD+LIBWRAP with OpenSSL 0.9.7d 17 Mar 2004 Besides, tcp_wrappers does not seem to be in the ports anyway (which makes sense, as it is part of the base-system). Still, do I need a new tcp_wrappers? And if so, where do I find it? Thanks, - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056AA16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com (web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com [203.199.70.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B449443D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manish_6983@yahoo.co.in) Message-ID: <20040321183415.37215.qmail@web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.199.146.111] by web8203.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:34:15 GMT Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:34:15 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?manish=20gautam?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Problem in Netgraph ( TESTING OF MY NODE ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:34:18 -0000 Ist problem ============= i hav created my own node named "m" .and using commands kldload netgraph kldload ng_ether kldload ng_m i also create an ether node and then i attach my "m" node to ether node using ngctl mkpeer ed0: m upper right after that on command ::--> ngctl msg my_m: getstats ( my_m is name of peer to ether i.e my node ) result is as foolows ::--> Rec'd response "getstats" (1) from "my_m:": Args: { right={inOctets=3508 inFrames=54 } left={outOctets=3508 outFrames=54 } } Does that mean my node is working... YES or NO? If yes , is every packet coming through ethernet card pass through my node. If no, how do I check it and made every packet pass through my own node. IInd problem ============ Its a silly problem , i hav downloaded ethereal packages named tethereal.tar.gz tethereal-0.9.10.tar How can I install ethereal on my machine using above said packages,? do i need more packages ? Reply as soon as possible Rgds Manish Gautam ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 10:34:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B2816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288EF43D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from olddell (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004032118342201200a85i9e>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:34:22 +0000 From: "gp" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040321125308.C98092@ganymede.hub.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 cc: Remko Lodder cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:34:23 -0000 The CD drives I am using are: "TAISATAP.SYS" model XM-5702B and the other "Mitsumi atapi FX120T", downloaded drive ide158.exe that is called now MTMCDAI.sys I got the FreeBSD 5.1 at CompUSA for $60. First I downloaded the floppy images from your website but there were the wrong version and so I created the correct version off the CD that provided the utilities. The thing is, once I get to the option for installing from what media and select the first one, that is the CD/DVD it cannot recognize the CD. Then I went to the set up at other screen but still cannot mount the CD. Thanks, George -----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:54 AM To: Remko Lodder Cc: hueygeorge@comcast.net; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no support! I'd be curious as to what brands of CDrom/DVDs he's running myself ... I've never had a problem loading up on any CDRom I've ever used, and I thought that CDroms were pretty standard, like floppies, nowadays .. On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Remko Lodder wrote: > GP wrote: > > > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn > > any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and still > > I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms > > and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. > > I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I > > thought you might be the right choice. > > What should I do? > > > > Thanks, > > > > George > > hueygeorge@comcast.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi George, > > Can you describe your problem in more detail, > since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you > have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have > dependencies. > > So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? > > Thanks, > > -- > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:00:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E7A16A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ECA43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from olddell (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004032119003101200afm4ee>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:00:31 +0000 From: "gp" To: "Remko Lodder" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:01:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <405D9758.2090904@elvandar.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:00:33 -0000 I am up and installing!!! If anything comes up I'll let you know. Thank you guys, George -----Original Message----- From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:24 AM To: hueygeorge@comcast.net Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no support! GP wrote: > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn > any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and still > I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms > and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. > I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I > thought you might be the right choice. > What should I do? > > Thanks, > > George > hueygeorge@comcast.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi George, Can you describe your problem in more detail, since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have dependencies. So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? Thanks, -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:02:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DC516A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.evilcoder.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8339443D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Message-ID: <405DE6AE.5050404@elvandar.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:02:06 +0100 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gp References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: for evilcoder.org cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:02:12 -0000 gp wrote: > I am up and installing!!! > If anything comes up I'll let you know. > > Thank you guys, > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:24 AM > To: hueygeorge@comcast.net > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: no support! > > > GP wrote: > > >>On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn >>any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and > > still > >>I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 > > CD-Roms > >>and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. >>I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I >>thought you might be the right choice. >>What should I do? >> >>Thanks, >> >>George >>hueygeorge@comcast.net >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi George, > > Can you describe your problem in more detail, > since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you > have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have > dependencies. > > So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? > > Thanks, > > -- > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > Hi George, No problem i think, do you know what the issue was? For logging convience :-) Cheers -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:10:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9289216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02.asp.att.net [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B70043D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.fleck@mchsi.com) Received: from grond (12-216-14-105.client.mchsi.com[12.216.14.105]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20040321191040mm200rac20e>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:10:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:10:39 -0600 (CST) From: David Fleck Sender: dcf@grond.sourballs.org To: chip In-Reply-To: <405CD7D6.5060407@wiegand.org> Message-ID: <20040321130844.F17674@grond.sourballs.org> References: <405CD7D6.5060407@wiegand.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: special characters, ie spanish accents X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:10:41 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, chip wrote: > How do I get the special characters to work, which work in MS Windoze > using the conbination of right-alt+4digit code? I need to be able to use > certain accents and characters found in spanish writing. I am using > FBSD-5.1 with XFCE window manager. This may be of limited use to you, but the vim editor has this ability built-in (if compiled that way). To see what's available, start a vim session and type ':help digraphs'. -- David Fleck david.fleck@mchsi.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:16:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843DC16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4AC43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from NEWDELL (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004032119160501600s4ioie>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:16:05 +0000 From: "GP" To: "Remko Lodder" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <405DE6AE.5050404@elvandar.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: hueygeorge@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:16:07 -0000 Hi Remko, Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from. It made me think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device. Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save entire day if that would be slightly more clear. Thank you, George -----Original Message----- From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:02 PM To: gp Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no support! gp wrote: > I am up and installing!!! > If anything comes up I'll let you know. > > Thank you guys, > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:24 AM > To: hueygeorge@comcast.net > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: no support! > > > GP wrote: > > >>On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's easy to turn >>any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!" "... any pc ..." and > > still > >>I cannot get it going!? That is because I just found out that the 3 > > CD-Roms > >>and 2 DVDs I got none is compatible or supported by you. >>I got Linux going on it but I run into dependencies and that is why I >>thought you might be the right choice. >>What should I do? >> >>Thanks, >> >>George >>hueygeorge@comcast.net >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi George, > > Can you describe your problem in more detail, > since there can be many dependencies , for example, in the ports you > have dependencies. But also when building your own kernel you have > dependencies. > > So, could you please be more specific so that we can try and help you? > > Thanks, > > -- > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > Hi George, No problem i think, do you know what the issue was? For logging convience :-) Cheers -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:18:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575AE16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from makeworld.com (chcgil2-ar9-4-60-214-019.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.214.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D081C43D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (racerx@evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.46.162.188]) by makeworld.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LJIb4V058486; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:18:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) From: Chris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hueygeorge@comcast.net Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:18:36 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211318.36881.racerx@makeworld.com> cc: Remko Lodder Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:18:44 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote: > Hi Remko, > > Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it > would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from. It made me > think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went > back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device. > Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save entire > day if that would be slightly more clear. > > Thank you, > > George ... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st. Tada! -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:19:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ECD16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (raats.xs4all.nl [80.126.151.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8080E43D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@raats.xs4all.nl) Received: from jara2 (unknown [10.0.0.157]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09230B3E7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:19:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c40f79$8beab210$9d00000a@jara2> From: "Jack Raats" To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:19:34 -0000 Hi everyone, Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and if not good, will restore these dependencies? Met vriendelijke groeten Jack Raats From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:27:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A559B16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rdslink.ro (mail.rdslink.ro [193.231.236.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6796A43D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristian.stefan@rdslink.ro) Received: (qmail 26171 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 19:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solaris.loaca) (81.196.87.178) by mail.rdslink.ro with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 19:27:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:31:48 +0200 From: C Stefan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321213148.2e786cc2@solaris.loaca> In-Reply-To: <001901c40f79$8beab210$9d00000a@jara2> References: <001901c40f79$8beab210$9d00000a@jara2> Organization: solaris X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:27:40 -0000 yes try portupgrade & tools it`s magic :) On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100 "Jack Raats" wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and if > not good, will restore these dependencies? > > Met vriendelijke groeten > Jack Raats > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:43:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D302F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (raats.xs4all.nl [80.126.151.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C3843D45 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@raats.xs4all.nl) Received: from jara2 (unknown [10.0.0.157]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73989A93F; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:43:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c40f7c$e9c80e20$9d00000a@jara2> From: "Jack Raats" To: "C Stefan" References: <001901c40f79$8beab210$9d00000a@jara2> <20040321213148.2e786cc2@solaris.loaca> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:44:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:43:32 -0000 I use portupgrade for upgrading the ports... But what do you mean with tools? Jack > C.Stefan wrote: > > yes > try portupgrade & tools > it`s magic :) > > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100 > "Jack Raats" wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and if > > not good, will restore these dependencies? > > > > Met vriendelijke groeten > > Jack Raats > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:44:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7EE16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.tiscali.de (relay1.tiscali.de [62.26.116.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFD943D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sa.deutscher@tiscali.de) Received: from localhost (217.235.14.109) by webmail.tiscali.de (6.7.019) id 40472DBC00627B60 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:44:32 +0100 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.0) id UAA005.72; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:58:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:58:23 +0000 From: "Stefan A. Deutscher" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040321205823.C64884@tiscali.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 2.45 X-Machine-Uptime: localhost: uptime is 11 days, 23:06 hours and 25 seconds Subject: [Q] Another ntdp question: server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sad@mailaps.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:44:34 -0000 Howdy, having sort of clarified the location of the drift file I have come across another ntpd thingy I cannot quite interpret: # tail /var/log/messages | cut -c 7- 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: ntpd 4.1.1b-a Thu Jun 5 00:47:30 GMT 2003 (1) 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: kernel time discipline status 2040 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: getnetnum: "ntp1.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: getnetnum: "ntp2.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored 18:32:03 dvorak ntpd[1192]: time set -0.242122 s 18:34:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: ntpd exiting on signal 3 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: ntpd 4.1.1b-a Thu Jun 5 00:47:30 GMT 2003 (1) 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: kernel time discipline status 2040 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: getnetnum: "ntp1.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: getnetnum: "ntp2.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored 18:48:24 dvorak ntpd[1261]: time set -0.079761 s So, what I do not quite understand is why (a) it ignores the time server name, (b) still sets the time (c) never again complains about the host until quit and restarted Oddly enough, the time server is found via a nslookup, and it works when given to ntpd (or ntpdate, for that matter) on the command line. # nslookup ntp1.ptb.de Server: cache1.tiscali.de Address: 195.185.185.195 Non-authoritative answer: Name: ntp1.ptb.de Address: 192.53.103.103 'man ntp.conf' seems to indicate that IP address or machine name are allowed, and that there is some flag to enable name resolution (which I did not find): [ ... snip ... ] server address [key key | autokey] [burst] [iburst] [version version] [prefer] [minpoll minpoll] [maxpoll maxpoll] [ ... snip ... ] These four commands specify the time server name or address to be used and the mode in which to operate. The address can be either a DNS name or an IP address in dotted-quad notation. [ ... snip ... ] However, when the configuration file contains host names, or when a server or client is configured remotely, host names are resolved using the DNS and a separate name resolution process. In order to protect against bogus name server messages, name resolution messages are authenticated using an internally generated key which is normally invisible to the user. However, if cryptographic support is disabled, the name resolution process will fail. This can be avoided either by specifying IP addresses instead of host names, which is generally inadvisable, or by enabling the flag for name resolution and disabled it once the name resolution process is complete. As a side effect, when sending SIGQUIT or SIGTERM ntpd does not remove the PID file created with the -p option (as in /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid) -- would that be a bug or a feature I don't understand? Thanks in advance for any light on these issues & Cheers, Stefan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 12:01:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3E716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rdslink.ro (mail.rdslink.ro [193.231.236.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB3543D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristian.stefan@rdslink.ro) Received: (qmail 3142 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 20:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solaris.loaca) (81.196.87.178) by mail.rdslink.ro with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 20:01:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:05:28 +0200 From: C Stefan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321220528.1699b1ad@solaris.loaca> In-Reply-To: <000a01c40f7c$e9c80e20$9d00000a@jara2> References: <001901c40f79$8beab210$9d00000a@jara2> <20040321213148.2e786cc2@solaris.loaca> <000a01c40f7c$e9c80e20$9d00000a@jara2> Organization: solaris X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:01:22 -0000 I mean after a cvsup try running : portsdb -uU : that will create an index of your installed & outdated ports & if you will have stale and corrupt dependencies you have the chance to fix them interactively then try portupgrade -aRr this will check your dependencies back & forth and gracefully try to resolve them tools are : portcvsweb ports_glob portsdb portversion portinstall portsclean maybe there are some more out there but portupgrade I find satisfactory for my needs On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:44:24 +0100 "Jack Raats" wrote: > I use portupgrade for upgrading the ports... But what do you mean with > tools? > > Jack > > > C.Stefan wrote: > > > > yes > > try portupgrade & tools > > it`s magic :) > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100 > > "Jack Raats" wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and > if > > > not good, will restore these dependencies? > > > > > > Met vriendelijke groeten > > > Jack Raats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 12:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588B716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tenacious.boundariez.com (mail.boundariez.com [216.36.108.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C439B43D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ralph@boundariez.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: X is "broken".... Thread-Index: AcQPgLzR9a4y1HLdQ5OTdnv8Qt0y8g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential From: "Ralph M. Los" content-class: urn:content-classes:message To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: X is "broken".... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:16:34 -0000 Hi, Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command error. So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is weird because it didn't complain about being installed already? Now I get this: Fatal server error: Could not open default font 'fixed' What gives? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + Ralph | Internet Systems & Security + + Boundariez.com | -"Specializing in Paranoia"- + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + ralph[!at]boundariez[dot!]com | Never understimate the power + + AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people + + ICQ: 2206039 | in large groups + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 12:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED33216A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [204.118.6.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DC043D41 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from [207.41.94.233] (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by smtp.owt.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2LKNnmH028101; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:23:50 -0800 From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:24:26 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403211224.26807.kstewart@owt.com> cc: "Ralph M. Los" Subject: Re: X is "broken".... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:24:32 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 12:11 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote: > Hi, > Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but > when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command error. > So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is weird > because it didn't complain about being installed already? > Now I get this: > > Fatal server error: > Could not open default font 'fixed' > > > What gives? There have been a couple of changes regarding fonts. Could you have updated pieces of dependancies of freetype2 and not all of them. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 12:26:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACA16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter.smxy.org (smxy.org [64.32.179.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D0B43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ste@smxy.org) Received: from smxy.org (bgp377940bgs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.5.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by peter.smxy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D72120 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:26:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <405DFA8C.9000202@smxy.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:26:52 -0500 From: "Shaun T. Erickson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: phpmyadmin forbidden? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ste@smxy.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:26:54 -0000 I wanted to install this on my 5.2.1-p3, but it's forbidden. Emailing the maintainer got no response. Does anyone know what's up with this? I'm told it will make my life much easier .... -ste From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 13:23:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF1B16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D97443D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user103.net736.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.157.103] helo=kt.weeble.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5APK-000136-00; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:22:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:22:56 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: Shaun T.Erickson Message-Id: <20040321162256.09e51844.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: phpmyadmin forbidden? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:23:00 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:26:52 -0500 Shaun wrote: > > I wanted to install this on my 5.2.1-p3, but it's forbidden. > Emailing the maintainer got no response. Does anyone know what's up > with this? I'm told it will make my life much easier .... > > -ste You could look at the security entry for phpmyadmin at: http://people.freebsd.org/~eik/portaudit/ That is the list of ports vulnerabilities which /usr/ports/security/portaudit uses. Portaudit is still in development but it seems to work good for me on 4.x. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 14:14:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8F616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19CB343D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 57455 invoked by uid 1070); 21 Mar 2004 22:14:50 -0000 Date: 21 Mar 2004 14:14:50 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:14:49 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20040321221449.GA55887@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 16 years of service to the Unix community Subject: mail probs after upreving to 4.9... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:14:50 -0000 Ok, what I am not doing *right*?? mail is getting thru to me at tao.thought.org--but when I try outgoing, (via 'mail') I see: pp 14:03 [1670] collect: Cannot write ./dfi2LM39fJ000550 (bfcommit, uid=1000, gid=25): Permission denied queueup: cannot create queue file ./qfi2LM39fJ000550, euid=1000: Permission denied Things in /var/spool look all right. 1 drwxrws--- 2 smmsp smmsp 512 Sep 17 2002 clientmqueue 1 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Mar 24 2002 cucipop 1 drwx-wx--- 3 root daemon 512 Feb 9 2003 cups 1 drwxrwxr-x 2 uucp dialer 512 Mar 21 13:52 lock 1 drwxr-xr-x 6 root daemon 512 Dec 18 2001 lpd 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root daemon 512 Mar 21 13:23 mqueue Insights very welcome. tia, guys, gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 14:21:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7397116A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-dav8.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.48.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6027043D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamanta_tm@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:21:25 -0800 Received: from 200.167.44.51 by bay14-dav8.bay14.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:21:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [200.167.44.51] X-Originating-Email: [jamanta_tm@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jamanta_tm@hotmail.com From: "Julio Maciel" To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:19:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C40F79.6305CB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2004 22:21:25.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8F25AE0:01C40F92] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:21:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C40F79.6305CB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there is a very big txt log i made explaining all ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C40F79.6305CB00 Content-Type: text/plain; name="logboard.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="logboard.txt" well I just installed freeBSD on my home, (5.2.1), and everything goes ok, = BUT, i cant get dhcp, working... on sysinstall, if I try to make my dhcp to be discovered, it freezes up, = so i skiped this part and then after installing everytime i try to run dhclient i get this: (i use cable modem): DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1 DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1 DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 and after this, it just goes on a infinite loop i tried tcpdump to help me, but i just understand a line of tcpdump... = here is what is says: any idea of how can i solve this??? tcpdump: listening on rl0 02:11:44.927998 62.34.47.230.2378 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1165485284:1165485284(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:45.039756 217.136.155.126.2196 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 4287223825:4287223825(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:11:45.124634 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1353698121:1353698121(0) win 5808 (DF) 02:11:46.461013 81.249.159.201.4927 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 983537944:983537944(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:46.481028 69.22.119.192.3838 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3442908908:3442908908(0) win 55168 02:11:47.008052 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x76168c79 = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:11:47.728761 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:11:48.416135 200.167.40.1 > 239.255.255.250: igmp query v2 [max resp = time 10] [gaddr 239.255.255.250] [ttl 1] 02:11:50.197610 fe80::2c0:a8ff:fe7a:d270 > ff02::1:ff7a:d270: HBH icmp6: = multicast listener report max resp delay: 0 addr: ff02::1:ff7a:d270 = [hlim 1] 02:11:50.327907 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:11:51.063034 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:51.257861 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1353698121:1353698121(0) win 5808 (DF) [tos 0x38 ] 02:11:52.115398 82.224.181.76.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2009051266:2009051266(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:53.430108 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2172714527:2172714527(0) win 65280 (DF) 02:11:53.484413 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:11:53.745042 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1468878454:1468878454(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:11:54.123742 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:56.343704 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2172714527:2172714527(0) win 65280 (DF) 02:11:56.453808 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:11:56.820744 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1468878454:1468878454(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:11:57.415259 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:58.017734 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x1a62971a = [|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:11:58.108558 200.167.40.1.bootps > 200.167.42.15.bootpc: hops:1 = xid:0x1a62971a Y:200.167.42.15 G:200.167.44.1 [|bootp] (DF) [tos = 0x1,ECT(1)] 02:11:58.109200 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x1a62971a = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:11:58.119341 82.224.181.76.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2009051266:2009051266(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:11:59.502051 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:00.070206 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:00.353545 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:01.017652 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x1a62971a = [|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:02.164142 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2172714527:2172714527(0) win 65280 (DF) 02:12:02.355931 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:02.680533 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1468878454:1468878454(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:03.243274 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1353698121:1353698121(0) win 5808 (DF) [tos 0x38] 02:12:03.774301 80.14.171.164.34603 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 52831074:52831074(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:04.366570 64.4.60.7.http > 200.167.44.51.4284: R 0:0(0) win 0 02:12:05.774493 81.67.5.68.4009 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3900015774:3900015774(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:06.356361 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:06.678863 80.14.171.164.34603 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 52831074:52831074(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:08.017409 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x1a62971a = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:08.373394 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:08.736375 81.67.5.68.4009 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3900015774:3900015774(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:08.815033 200.185.48.72.http > 200.167.44.51.1107: F = 2973168356:2973168356(0) ack 53104227 win 8576 (DF) 02:12:08.820497 61.216.74.9.2481 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1139408918:1139408918(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:09.221033 82.66.26.131.4320 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 4239262019:4239262019(0) win 14464 (DF) 02:12:09.387867 81.57.115.70.63240 > 200.167.44.51.4662: R = 3671602773:3671602773(0) ack 1867072449 win 65535 (DF) 02:12:11.642543 61.216.74.9.2481 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1139408918:1139408918(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:12.235451 82.66.26.131.4320 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 4239262019:4239262019(0) win 14464 (DF) 02:12:12.577087 80.14.171.164.34603 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 52831074:52831074(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:13.951611 82.65.34.203.4662 > 200.167.44.51.4423: F = 3921594838:3921594838(0) ack 1996139887 win 64240 (DF) 02:12:14.561416 212.194.126.163.24390 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 840415368:840415368(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:14.964678 81.67.5.68.4009 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3900015774:3900015774(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:16.199362 62.34.47.230.2396 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1175917423:1175917423(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:16.326164 217.136.155.126.2265 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3905803:3905803(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:17.468663 212.194.126.163.24390 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 840415368:840415368(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:17.678225 61.216.74.9.2481 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1139408918:1139408918(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:18.184903 81.56.180.109.1791 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2475395534:2475395534(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:18.271373 82.66.26.131.4320 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 4239262019:4239262019(0) win 14464 (DF) 02:12:19.066911 62.34.47.230.2396 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1175917423:1175917423(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:19.294347 217.136.155.126.2265 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3905803:3905803(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:20.629854 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1906488484:1906488484(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:21.283110 81.56.180.109.1791 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2475395534:2475395534(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:22.016902 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xd83d3b6e = [|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:22.104676 200.167.40.1.bootps > 200.167.42.15.bootpc: hops:1 = xid:0xd83d3b6e Y:200.167.42.15 G:200.167.44.1 [|bootp] (DF) [tos = 0x1,ECT(1)] 02:12:22.105488 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xd83d3b6e = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:22.578397 80.221.1.154.37414 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1400948887:1400948887(0) win 5808 (DF) 02:12:23.493891 212.194.126.163.24390 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 840415368:840415368(0) win 16384 = (DF)02:12:24.909044 82.48.96.191.2084 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3660059293:3660059293(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:25.014998 62.34.47.230.2396 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1175917423:1175917423(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:25.322219 217.136.155.126.2265 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3905803:3905803(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:25.508895 80.221.1.154.37414 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1400948887:1400948887(0) win 5808 (DF) 02:12:25.528310 81.56.244.244.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 825154342:825154342(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:26.891085 200.101.233.202.rfa > 200.167.44.51.rfa: udp 20 02:12:27.011149 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xd83d3b6e = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:27.223400 81.56.180.109.1791 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2475395534:2475395534(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:27.828851 82.48.96.191.2084 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3660059293:3660059293(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:28.470149 81.56.244.244.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 825154342:825154342(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:31.652685 80.221.1.154.37414 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1400948887:1400948887(0) win 5808 (DF) [tos 0x38] 02:12:32.121133 201.1.35.225.3413 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3999339494:3999339494(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:33.157609 200.167.40.1 > 224.0.0.1: igmp query v2 [ttl 1] 02:12:33.779587 82.48.96.191.2084 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3660059293:3660059293(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:34.006622 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x17cdf028 = [|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:34.091892 200.167.40.1.bootps > 200.167.42.15.bootpc: hops:1 = xid:0x17cdf028 Y:200.167.42.15 G:200.167.44.1 [|bootp] (DF) [tos = 0x1,ECT(1)] 02:12:34.092347 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x17cdf028 = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:34.439207 81.56.244.244.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 825154342:825154342(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:34.639153 81.251.69.223.4494 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 354180278:354180278(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:35.112207 201.1.35.225.3413 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3999339494:3999339494(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:37.029937 200.167.40.1 > 224.0.0.2: igmp v1 report 224.0.0.2 [ttl = 1] 02:12:37.286241 81.251.69.223.4494 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 354180278:354180278(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:37.546054 80.202.19.94.55223 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1497182876:1497182876(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:40.434981 80.202.19.94.55223 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1497182876:1497182876(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:41.006553 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0x17cdf028 = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:41.114964 201.1.35.225.3413 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3999339494:3999339494(0) win 16384 (DF) 02:12:41.878832 82.166.188.246.rfa > 200.167.44.51.rfa: udp 20 02:12:43.261797 81.251.69.223.4494 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 354180278:354180278(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:43.371558 81.32.26.198.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3147571481:3147571481(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:43.520061 80.221.1.154.37414 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1400948887:1400948887(0) win 5808 (DF) 02:12:44.264778 80.14.171.164.33558 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 66547050:66547050(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:46.398626 81.32.26.198.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3147571481:3147571481(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:46.479287 80.202.19.94.55223 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1497182876:1497182876(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:47.480757 80.14.171.164.33558 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 66547050:66547050(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:48.583606 64.4.48.253.http > 200.167.44.51.4365: R 0:0(0) win 0 02:12:52.369840 217.82.137.228.rfa > 200.167.44.51.rfa: udp 20 02:12:52.404989 81.32.26.198.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 3147571481:3147571481(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:53.022656 61.216.74.9.2506 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1151835960:1151835960(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:53.044930 80.14.171.164.33558 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 66547050:66547050(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:55.712684 61.216.74.9.2506 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1151835960:1151835960(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:12:56.016275 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xc407ab6a = [|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:56.105747 200.167.40.1.bootps > 200.167.42.15.bootpc: hops:1 = xid:0xc407ab6a Y:200.167.42.15 G:200.167.44.1 [|bootp] (DF) [tos = 0x1,ECT(1)] 02:12:56.106381 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xc407ab6a = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:12:56.433710 217.136.155.126.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 15506397:15506397(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:12:59.034178 213.8.173.89.rfa > 200.167.44.51.rfa: udp 20 02:12:59.322157 217.136.155.126.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 15506397:15506397(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:13:01.761299 61.216.74.9.2506 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 1151835960:1151835960(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:13:02.016179 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: xid:0xc407ab6a = file ""[|bootp] [tos 0x10] 02:13:02.030281 81.56.180.109.rkinit > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2493220947:2493220947(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:13:04.925616 81.56.180.109.rkinit > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 2493220947:2493220947(0) win 65535 (DF) 02:13:05.500308 217.136.155.126.2330 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S = 15506397:15506397(0) win 64240 (DF) 02:13:06.772976 200.167.234.44.rfa > 200.167.44.51.http: S = 1956253485:1956253485(0) win 16384 (DF) and if i didnt stop.. it would be an endless loop...=20 any ideas?? i just dont know anymore what to do ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C40F79.6305CB00-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 14:26:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117C316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from metroplex.netnation.com (metroplex.netnation.com [204.174.223.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD77C43D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soekris@house.org) Received: from [64.251.74.14] (helo=[192.168.32.62]) by metroplex.netnation.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B5BOp-000115-Fo; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:31 -0800 In-Reply-To: <9E8C857C-7AA0-11D8-A650-000A95791556@house.org> References: <9E8C857C-7AA0-11D8-A650-000A95791556@house.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Roehrig Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:25:56 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) cc: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com Subject: Re: Diskless PXE clients: switching FreeBSD kernels based on MAC address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:26:32 -0000 I'm following up on my original question and cross-posting it to the Soekris list in case this is useful for anyone else. If there's an easier way to do this, I'd like to know! Here's a bootloader script I wrote that works for me (FreeBSD 4.9_RELEASE). ================== kern_switch.4th ============================================= \ \ kern_switch.4th \ -- MAC-based kernel switching for PXE clients \ \ Allows PXE booting of different kernels for different MAC addresses \ using a shared NFS root partition. \ Will use the default kernel if not booting from PXE or no HW MAC \ addresses are matched. \ \ USAGE: \ 1. Place this in /boot on the NFS server. \ 2. Include this from /boot/loader.conf using the following line: \ exec="include /boot/kern_switch.4th" \ 3. Edit the MAC address and kernel definitions below. \ 4. Make sure you have an alternate boot device handy when installing \ so you can undo things if you make a mistake! \ \ v 1.0; Mar_21_2004; Chris Roehrig : switch_kernel ( kern_addr kern_n -- ) 2dup ." kern_switch DBG: switching kernel to " type cr s" kernel" setenv ; \ Check environment for loaddev... s" loaddev" getenv dup -1 = [if] drop \ the -1 retval .( kern_switch: no loaddev present in environment!) cr [else] 2dup .( kern_switch: loaddev = ) type cr s" pxe0:" compare 0= [if] \ PXE Boot; get the hardware MAC address... s" boot.netif.hwaddr" getenv dup -1 = [if] drop \ the -1 retval .( kern_switch: no boot.netif.hwaddr present in environment!) cr [else] 2dup .( kern_switch: boot.netif.hwaddr = ) type cr \ switch on HW address... \ =================================================== \ ENTER YOUR MAC ADDRESSES AND KERNEL NAMES HERE \ Pad all MAC bytes to 2-digit, lower-case. \ Be careful to preserve the space after s" ! 2dup s" 00:00:24:c1:2a:64" compare 0= [if] s" /kernel.NET4501" switch_kernel [then] 2dup s" 00:00:24:c1:35:50" compare 0= [if] s" /kernel.NET4801" switch_kernel [then] \ =================================================== 2drop \ environment HW string [then] [then] [then] \ Display the kernel to be used... s" kernel" getenv dup -1 <> [if] .( kern_switch: using kernel = ) type cr [else] drop .( kern_switch: no kernel present in environment!) cr [then] ======================================================================== ==== On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:58, Chris Roehrig wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 4.9_RELEASE and I'd like to share my server's root > partition as the root partition for some diskless PXE clients, but I > need different kernels for the server and clients. The /conf > structure works great for providing different /etc environments for > each machine, but I can't figure out how to boot a different kernel > for my PXE clients. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 14:45:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.networx-bg.com (unknown [82.147.153.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8203843D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@f2o.org) Received: (qmail 22980 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 05:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtn) (82.147.153.245) by 82.147.153.3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 05:44:41 -0000 From: Martin Tsachev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:45:40 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403220045.42780.martin@f2o.org> Subject: PPTP client LCP errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:45:51 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, I'm having a problem connection to a PPTP server using FreeBSD 5.2 and pptp= =20 linux 1.3.1. It works fine from a Debian box that's behind the FreeBSD=20 gateway that I want to connect to the VPN but since FreeBSD's ppp is=20 different than the one in Linux I cannot simply copy my config. The server doesn't use mppe, on windows you have to disable LCP extensions = to=20 connect. The linux config is pretty straightforward but if you need that I= =20 can copy it too. Here's what I have on FreeBSD: /etc/ppp/ppp.conf vpn: # down lcp # disable vjcomp # disable MSCHAPv2 # disable mppe # enable deflate pred1 # close lcp # lcp-echo-interval 30 # lcp-echo-request 0=20 # open lcp # set openmode passive # set openmode passive # set stopped 3 # disable lqr =20 set authname username set authkey password set timeout 0 set ifaddr 0 0 add 192.168.0.0/16 HISADDR # set log Phase LCP Connect tun Warning Alert set log phase chat lcp ipcp ccp tun command # alias enable yes # noauth I start it by doing ppp ip vpn. and in /var/log/ppp.log when trying to connect I get: The following part is repeated a few times and I think it's failing: Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: Phase: Using interface: tun0=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (direct mode).=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!=20 Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> carrier=20 Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> lcp=20 Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transpo= rt=20 Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial -->= =20 Closed=20 Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed -->= =20 Stopped=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Stopped=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped -->= =20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = =3D=20 Req-Sent=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2]=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500=20 Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --= >=20 Stopped=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped -->= =20 Closed=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed -->= =20 Initial=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected!=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 17 secs:= 0=20 octets in, 260 octets out=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 0 packets in, 5 packet= s=20 out=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: total 15 bytes/sec, peak 20=20 bytes/sec on Mon Mar 22 00:34:57 2004=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> closed=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead=20 Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal).=20 =2D --=20 Martin Tsachev http://martin.f2o.org =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXhsWypytlz9Py3wRAmRJAJ9zSiyR9kRS5kKFnZvHtsqSFSKXFgCfRBfE kZWAtHVDUE0KgwTJakhCD5Y=3D =3DUXdF =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 15:20:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB64D16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FED43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:20:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from NEWDELL (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004032123195701600sh442e>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:19:57 +0000 From: "GP" To: "Chris" , Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200403211318.36881.racerx@makeworld.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: Remko Lodder Subject: RE: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: hueygeorge@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:20:00 -0000 Chris, I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it! Would you know what to do about it? Thanks, George -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:racerx@makeworld.com] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; hueygeorge@comcast.net Cc: Remko Lodder Subject: Re: no support! On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote: > Hi Remko, > > Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it > would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from. It made me > think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went > back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device. > Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save entire > day if that would be slightly more clear. > > Thank you, > > George ... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st. Tada! -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 15:24:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2015A16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.evilcoder.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853E943D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Message-ID: <405E242E.3070200@elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:24:30 +0100 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hueygeorge@comcast.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: for evilcoder.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:24:33 -0000 GP wrote: > Chris, > > I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it! > > Would you know what to do about it? > > Thanks, > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:racerx@makeworld.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; hueygeorge@comcast.net > Cc: Remko Lodder > Subject: Re: no support! > > > On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote: > >>Hi Remko, >> >>Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it >>would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from. It made me >>think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went >>back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device. >>Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save > > entire > >>day if that would be slightly more clear. >> >>Thank you, >> >>George > > > ... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st. > Tada! > > -- > Best regards, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi George, Choose a Geneneric display and fill in your own refresh value's which are on the reference card you recieved with the monitor.. That always should work :) Cheers -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 15:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6B216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2B443D48 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from PHANDNLADAMS@aol.com) Received: from PHANDNLADAMS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id n.163.2d2efecc (4246) for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: PHANDNLADAMS@aol.com Message-ID: <163.2d2efecc.2d8f81d6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:40:06 EST To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:40:11 -0000 I would like some information if I can load freeBSD on a secondary usp hard-drive. And if I can boot up from that hard-drive. Thank you very much. phandnladams@aol.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 15:52:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674D416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F4343D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hueygeorge@comcast.net) Received: from NEWDELL (c-24-9-214-82.client.comcast.net[24.9.214.82]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004032123522601200992ble>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:52:27 +0000 From: "GP" To: "Remko Lodder" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <405E242E.3070200@elvandar.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: no support! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: hueygeorge@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:52:28 -0000 Chris, no configuration seems to work! George -----Original Message----- From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:25 PM To: hueygeorge@comcast.net Cc: Chris; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no support! GP wrote: > Chris, > > I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it! > > Would you know what to do about it? > > Thanks, > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:racerx@makeworld.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; hueygeorge@comcast.net > Cc: Remko Lodder > Subject: Re: no support! > > > On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote: > >>Hi Remko, >> >>Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it >>would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from. It made me >>think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went >>back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device. >>Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save > > entire > >>day if that would be slightly more clear. >> >>Thank you, >> >>George > > > ... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st. > Tada! > > -- > Best regards, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi George, Choose a Geneneric display and fill in your own refresh value's which are on the reference card you recieved with the monitor.. That always should work :) Cheers -- -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:35:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14F316A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from adsl-68-76-19-75.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net (adsl-68-76-19-75.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net [68.76.19.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769A43D39; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Received: from [141.218.149.135] (roam149-135.ceas.wmich.edu [141.218.149.135]) (authenticated bits=0)ESMTP id i2MDfYW5065779; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:41:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) In-Reply-To: <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lucas Holt Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:35:48 -0500 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: Al Johnson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:36:00 -0000 Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to scroll all day. The other irritant is people who actually post in the middle of messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. After someone replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can live with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom post, its not a big deal. The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ________________________________________________________ FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site) JustJournal.com (Free blogging) 'I try to think but nothing happens' -- Homer Jay Simpson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:43:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E94416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4B643D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B3F2BD8D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:43:39 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC1851211; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:13:37 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:13:37 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lucas Holt Message-ID: <20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Tm6VLls/w6NsRApE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Al Johnson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:43:49 -0000 --Tm6VLls/w6NsRApE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote: > Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like > when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post..=20 "Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only marginally better than top posting. > i have to scroll all day. If the text is important, you should be reading it. If it isn't, the sender shouldn't have included it. > The other irritant is people who actually post in the middle of > messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about. In this example, I'm answering your points one by one. I'll repeat the whole thing with top posting. Tell me if it's easier to read. > After someone replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot. That's a very good reason to insist on one style. > How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in > the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can > live with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day > to bottom post, its not a big deal. What's wrong with the convention we have? I'll answer this message a third time in the style you propose. Tell me if it's easier to read. Greg -- Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --Tm6VLls/w6NsRApE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXja5IubykFB6QiMRAilOAJ997qeISnvHhtjSFiBjDwyTzTVdCwCbBOAT 6P00x43Bui5K10Id9abHix0= =iMBl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Tm6VLls/w6NsRApE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:45:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFBF16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E382443D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159FF2BD8C for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:45:16 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465395121C; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:15:14 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:15:14 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lucas Holt Message-ID: <20040322004514.GY52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NAuYj0K7Umiq33rm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Al Johnson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:45:18 -0000 --NAuYj0K7Umiq33rm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to show why top-posting is bad. See the previous message (Message ID 20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com) for a version that I consider understandable. "Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only marginally better than top posting. If the text is important, you should be reading it. If it isn't, the sender shouldn't have included it. On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about. In this example, I'm answering your points one by one. I'll repeat the whole thing with top posting. Tell me if it's easier to read. Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot. That's a very good reason to insist on one style. What's wrong with the convention we have? I'll answer this message a third time in the style you propose. Tell me if it's easier to read. Greg On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote: > Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like when > people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to > scroll all day. The other irritant is people who actually post in the > middle of messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. After someone > replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. > > How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in > the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can live > with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom > post, its not a big deal. > > The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users > with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! > > > Lucas Holt > Luke@FoolishGames.com > ________________________________________________________ > FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site) > JustJournal.com (Free blogging) > > 'I try to think but nothing happens' > -- Homer Jay Simpson -- Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --NAuYj0K7Umiq33rm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXjcaIubykFB6QiMRAhWXAJ9KFC6/8O3n452CQtO2ckDCIdVpUACgiPL9 2vXzxiNGk3Zu7bFgRHKv/Vw= =DlWB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NAuYj0K7Umiq33rm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:46:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0469A16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DB643D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7465E2BD8C for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:46:09 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87B155121C; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:16:07 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:16:07 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lucas Holt Message-ID: <20040322004607.GZ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Z8pjODCYYz+3zRe3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Al Johnson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:46:12 -0000 --Z8pjODCYYz+3zRe3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to show why bottom-posting (where a reply is completely separate from the original message) is bad. See the first message (Message ID 20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com) for a version that I consider understandable. On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote: > Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like when= =20 > people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to =20 > scroll all day. The other irritant is people who actually post in the=20 > middle of messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. After someone=20 > replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. >=20 > How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in=20 > the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can live=20 > with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom= =20 > post, its not a big deal. >=20 > The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users=20 > with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! >=20 >=20 > Lucas Holt > Luke@FoolishGames.com > ________________________________________________________ > FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site) > JustJournal.com (Free blogging) >=20 > 'I try to think but nothing happens' > -- Homer Jay Simpson "Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only marginally better than top posting. If the text is important, you should be reading it. If it isn't, the sender shouldn't have included it. On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about. In this example, I'm answering your points one by one. I'll repeat the whole thing with top posting. Tell me if it's easier to read. Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot. That's a very good reason to insist on one style. What's wrong with the convention we have? I'll answer this message a third time in the style you propose. Tell me if it's easier to read. Greg --=20 Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --Z8pjODCYYz+3zRe3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXjdPIubykFB6QiMRAmalAJsHPFPsLXRQ02JHNQduJFCSr3XPIQCcCCrw G42wSjhBr53ZMJEwtGvkLaY= =YrUz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Z8pjODCYYz+3zRe3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:51:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD5216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5014A43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:51:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F3F2BD8C for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:51:07 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89DA251211; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:21:05 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:21:05 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Lucas Holt Message-ID: <20040322005105.GA52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004514.GY52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7fVM7fn5T1d7Fqim" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040322004607.GZ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004514.GY52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Al Johnson Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:51:09 -0000 --7fVM7fn5T1d7Fqim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:13:37 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote: >> Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like >> when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. > > "Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only > marginally better than top posting. On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:15:14 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to > show why top-posting is bad. See the previous message (Message ID > 20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com) for a version that I > consider understandable. On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:16:07 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to > show why bottom-posting (where a reply is completely separate from the > original message) is bad. See the first message (Message ID > 20040322004337.GX52612@wantadilla.lemis.com) for a version that I > consider understandable. You might also like to count the length of the three messages. The one with the interleaved answers is the shortest. This is because I trimmed unnecessary text. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --7fVM7fn5T1d7Fqim Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXjh5IubykFB6QiMRAoOhAKCznoZ+qRgY664sIDTRYtJzKnjmLACfX1Q7 o7w1b2EaGsxpHtFyYipuZiU= =1jh9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7fVM7fn5T1d7Fqim-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:54:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFB816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227443D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uidzero@one-arm.com) Received: from one-arm.com ([166.102.51.13]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20040322005423.VREJ9949.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@one-arm.com> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:54:23 -0600 Message-ID: <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:54:24 -0600 From: uidzero User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040321) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004607.GZ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20040322004607.GZ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:54:25 -0000 > >"Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only >marginally better than top posting. > >If the text is important, you should be reading it. If it isn't, the >sender shouldn't have included it. > >On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about. In this >example, I'm answering your points one by one. I'll repeat the whole >thing with top posting. Tell me if it's easier to read. > >Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot. That's a very good >reason to insist on one style. > >What's wrong with the convention we have? I'll answer this message a >third time in the style you propose. Tell me if it's easier to read. > > > Greg, This one just gets too long after a thread of 5 or more. I can relate to the others but, I just don't read any of the thread to start with if the subject or the original post doesn't concern me. :) That's just me though. Michael -- Michael D. Whities uidzero@one-arm.com http://www.one-arm.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:58:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F4916A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918E543D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uidzero@one-arm.com) Received: from one-arm.com ([166.102.51.13]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20040322005842.VSXT9949.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@one-arm.com> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: <405E3A42.5020708@one-arm.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:58:42 -0600 From: uidzero User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040321) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:58:43 -0000 Lucas Holt wrote: > Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like > when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to > scroll all day. The other irritant is people who actually post in the > middle of messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. After someone > replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. > > How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in > the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can live > with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day to > bottom post, its not a big deal. > > The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users > with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! > I'm the same way. I take out everything but the last post. (including any .sigs) As for reading them any other way, I like them like I'm doing now or sectioned off to answer the questions or what not as they come down. eg... Original E-mail: > Question: Is this proper? Next e-mail: Answer: Sure, IMHO Original E-mail: > Question: Are you sure? Next e-mail: Answer: of course. Otherwise, hey everyone. I'm Michael and I'm new to the list. Been using Linux si nce 98 and for the past 5 days, I've done nothing but FreeBSD. bigbsd~>>> uname -a FreeBSD bigbsd.one-arm.com 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Sat Mar 20 15:14:02 CST 2004 root@bigbsd.one-arm.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW-BSD i386 bigbsd~>>> df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 126M 59M 57M 51% / /dev/da0s1f 252M 10.0K 232M 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1g 15G 9.6G 4.4G 68% /usr /dev/da0s1e 252M 34M 198M 15% /var procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc /dev/ad4s1 56G 690M 51G 1% /mnt/storage bigbsd~>>> I'm not quite brave enough to go to 5.2.1. I must say, in the last 5 days, I've learned more about FreeBSD than I really learned about Linux since '98. Thanks, Michael -- Michael D. Whities uidzero@one-arm.com http://www.one-arm.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:01:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866DA16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from KIL-SM-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca (KIL-SM-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.1.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F643D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@jargonccna.cjb.net) Received: from jargonccna.cjb.net (MCoe04661.ResNet.Dal.Ca [129.173.193.115]) by KIL-SM-2.UCIS.Dal.Ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2M11NVd025522 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <405E3AF6.4000801@jargonccna.cjb.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:01:42 -0400 From: "Matt Coe, CCNA" Organization: Prophecy Newmedia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040321 X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040322004607.GZ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> In-Reply-To: <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@jargonccna.cjb.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:01:25 -0000 uidzero wrote: >> What's wrong with the convention we have? I'll answer this message a >> third time in the style you propose. Tell me if it's easier to read. > > This one just gets too long after a thread of 5 or more. I can relate > to the others but, I just don't read any of the thread to start with > if the subject or the original post doesn't concern me. :) That's just > me though. Not if the replier (is that even a word? It is now! Ha!) edits carefully for context. Leave out the bits of old messages that no longer relate to the discussion at hand and your replies should be nice and coherent. I've been practicing that for years. -- Matt Coe, CCNA Member-At-Large, Dalhousie University CS Society Fall 2003 'Ford! There's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out.' -- DNA, 'The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy', Arthur Philip Dent Sick of long-distance bills? Get Skype! www.skype.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:04:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB4716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D716143D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from vixen42 ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040322010431.RLOV10550.lakemtao08.cox.net@vixen42> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:04:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:01:25 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321170125.0852d62a@vixen42.> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X is "broken".... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:04:33 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:47 -0500 "Ralph M. Los" wrote: > Hi, > Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but > when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command > error. So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is > weird because it didn't complain about being installed already? > Now I get this: > > Fatal server error: > Could not open default font 'fixed' This means you do not have that font install, most likely. One of these should take car of it... forget which... XFree86-4-font100dpi XFree86-4-fontCyrillic XFree86-4-fontEncodings XFree86-4-font75dpi XFree86-4-fontDefaultBitmaps XFree86-4-fontScalable From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3847816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from indec-ntserver.indec.com.au (indecc.onsite.telstra.net [165.228.230.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD78C43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ron.joordens@indec.com.au) Received: by INDEC-NTSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:27:36 +1100 Message-ID: <11F383396235D511994B00A0C9E1753772122D@INDEC-NTSERVER> From: Ron Joordens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:27:35 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Best filesysyem for FreeBSD & Linux shared partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:08:35 -0000 Hello Everyone, I am multibooting FreeBSD with a few Linux distributions such as Mandrake, Gentoo, Slackware, Red Hat. (I'll reduce that list to a couple of favourites eventually). I have set up a primary partition with ext2 filesystem to act as a single data partition accessable from all OSs. That seemed to be fine until recently when I ran out of room on my FreeBSD /usr directory and moved my /usr/ports/distfiles directory to the shared ext2fs partition. At first there seemed to be no problems but when I tried to upgrade KDE and XFree86 using portupgrade the error messages began. XFree86 always encountered errors when checking the checksums of the source tarballs. It would say at first that the checksums were ok but then immediately after crash sying that there were crc errors. KDE was more serious. It would almost immediately crash with a Fatal Trap 12 error and reboot. After finding nothing on the on the forums I finally moved the distfiles to a new drive which I formatted with the FreeBSD ufs filesystem. VOILA!! No more problems. So it seems that FreeBSD support for ext2fs is at fault. So what is the best filesystem to use for a shared partition? For example, does FreeBSD provide better support for ext3fs or resierfs? Or does Linux provide better support for ufs? Any thoughts? Thanks in advance, Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BD816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130DA43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Barbish3@adelphia.net) Received: from barbish ([67.20.101.119]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040322010918.TPXA2142.mta13.adelphia.net@barbish>; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:09:18 -0500 From: "JJB" To: "uidzero" , "FreeBSD-Questions" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Barbish3@adelphia.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0000 So unix mail clients bottom post by design and MS/outlook tops posts by design. So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom post? DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post? SO here we are right back at the starting point. The 2 different groups have to just learn to deal with the list being populated with both top and bottom posting intermingled throughout the thread. No amount of complaining are going to change these facts, so suck it up, and move on. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:17:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E2216A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter.smxy.org (smxy.org [64.32.179.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CBA43D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ste@smxy.org) Received: from smxy.org (peter [64.32.179.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by peter.smxy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E712294; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 68.36.5.198 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ste) by smxy.org with HTTP; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:17:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23681.68.36.5.198.1079918271.squirrel@smxy.org> In-Reply-To: References: <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Shaun T. Erickson" To: Barbish3@adelphia.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: FreeBSD-Questions cc: uidzero Subject: RE: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ste@smxy.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:17:52 -0000 > ... both top and bottom ... All this talk of "top" and "bottom" is making me blush and breathe heavy, LOL (j/k). :-) Perhaps this dead horse has been sufficiently beaten, that we can let it Rest In Peace, and move on? :-) -ste From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:23:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21BC16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300E243D1D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9BD2BD7F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:23:47 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1319A51211; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:53:45 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:53:45 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: JJB Message-ID: <20040322012344.GB52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <405E3940.3080706@one-arm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cN+O50sc7gZAK+8F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD-Questions cc: uidzero Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:23:49 -0000 --cN+O50sc7gZAK+8F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Long/short syndrome. On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:09:17 -0500, JJB wrote: > So unix mail clients bottom post by design and MS/outlook tops > posts by design. No, that's not a question of design: it's the way you use them. > So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom > post? Well, it would be nice to have it to interface to an editor. That seems not to be possible, which completely baffles me. > DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post? No. > SO here we are right back at the starting point. The 2 different > groups have to just learn to deal with the list being populated with > both top and bottom posting intermingled throughout the thread. In fact, you're bringing up another point. Microsoft MUAs appear to be so difficult to use that many people take the path of least resistance, leaving a trail of mutilation at the end of the message. > No amount of complaining are going to change these facts, so suck it > up, and move on. They're not facts. No amount of claiming will make them facts. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. =20 For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --cN+O50sc7gZAK+8F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXkAgIubykFB6QiMRAhXkAJ0boZwZhvV47/nf1ymsohizwWrdnACdG8cF WkRvGHAIlnS4o1dNdWsHveI= =nHly -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cN+O50sc7gZAK+8F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 17:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630116A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.heronetwork.com (mail.heronetwork.com [216.254.62.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFDC43D39 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandshrimp@comcast.net) Received: by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 47C45A6A14; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from comcast.net (c-24-19-3-98.client.comcast.net [24.19.3.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1525A6A13; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:24:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <405E404B.7010402@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:24:27 -0800 From: Ryan Merrick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julio Maciel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on nott.heronetwork.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=8.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:24:32 -0000 Julio Maciel