From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 10:09:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC7E1065677 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144098FC12 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so151069eyi.7 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:09:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=hBdv0Hbx+/IGqhhfnybwqTimESpsFy1tcfuPQ2y45kI=; b=HjTWw5OPlJ3yxDjVZ33KbIxu9QLnUAHJL/ZAxRzLnN/ju6nAbcrHFabB38fYCPJoU0 73U3hlVvxq6O0EeV3daYHDPG//+blSHeZU7GSRjc+2UenorKB7zs1z2HYp5f/jjSVU+W 2fySP8hAY6Nd5VflJR/lhK/4sUN0txphuHeZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=DZde3zJCnnA2pAIiLssAGnXuBvYUrbYrwIBOzQQCo70hZjYZ9ZThem87mYbei4sMt8 LAquvr2Ybc8PopAEgvvFbejBjUQ1uJ60WC7jaD8WnF0BBSYxqPDjYylChFZOPoRjCrz5 TNRs8SQiqVpli4+INbgWsy95zeBysXIuWi1ms= Received: by 10.210.76.19 with SMTP id y19mr2670722eba.158.1220609345247; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm16492797gvc.0.2008.09.05.03.09.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd" Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1220609335.3846.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:09:07 -0000 --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:45 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: ... > It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD =20 > is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and =20 > changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple =20 > addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a =20 > help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add -=20 > r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it =20 > stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process =20 > which helps a user get X up and going with a browser. >=20 > Thanks to everyone else for their comments. >=20 > Dan (this isn't meant to be a flame :) For me, part of the install process was reading the handbook, which details quite clearly how to go from sysinstall to desktop. Projects driven by billionaire South Africans can target their paid developers at whatever tasks they think are important. It seems very few FreeBSD devs are interested enough to attack this 'small amount' of work, and that is their (valid) choice*. In a volunteer project, volunteers work on what interests them, not what someone else thinks is important. Cheers Tom * although check out finstall.sf.net, which looks as though it will be very good. --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkjBBTMACgkQlcRvFfyds/deIgCgwMvxTi2m3yyX7anPz2oaUcvA vn0AoLL2MPwWr/8QYOSRFtfNLTm8Y+me =bTFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd--