From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 29 17:15:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23719 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (ahd@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.53.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23708 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ahd@localhost) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04770; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Derbyshire Message-Id: <199707300015.UAA04770@pandora.hh.kew.com> To: andrew@python.shoal.net.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: HOTMAIL.COM, JUNO.COM, etc.... Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Very few sites, public access or otherwise, like their users to spam because it makes the entire site look bad and get black listed. Hotmail.com is not simply a SPAM site (my sister has used it for a year). However, the cheaper it is is define a user id on a site, the more likely it is is that a spammer will use it. Hotmail and Juno, being free, makes them easy targets. Most of the SPAM I've seen recently has been from either large sites (usally forged) or totally bogus names -- Earthlink, CIS, AOL, ATT, and Hotmail seem popular for return addresses this month. This could be because it is hard to ban such legitmate large sites -- I lose two family family members if I ban ATT, one if I ban Hotmail, and one if I ban Prodigy. (And this doesn't count friends, FreeBSD hackers, etc.) I actually accept mail only from such large sites when the mail comes from a relay within the domain, and I also don't let their relays send me mail from third party sites. Both rules cut down on the SPAM, since mismatches indicate forged mail. (These rules required a sendmail source hack ... *sigh*) -ahd- -- Drew Derbyshire Internet: ahd@kew.com Kendra Electronic Wonderworks Telephone: 617-279-9812 "If you feed [UUPC for the Mac] after midnight, and it gets nasty and shreds your living room furniture, that's your problem, not mine. ;-)" - Dave Platt