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Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49g55030P3z4Tx9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GPHGA7Eh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.85 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; 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Think of Java as the family SUV, >> > not >> > particularly fast and nimble when you need high performance or very low >> > level work but what is it good for nothing is better (rock solid code >> that >> > doesn't require the above). That being said you should learn it but >> learn >> > it with other languages. >> > >> >> To the OP: >> >> As someone already said in this thread: Java is proprietary, and Oracle >> who bought out Sun Microsystems (the creator of Java) started charging >> money end users of applications written in Java. >> >> > Where on Earth did you get the idea that Oracle charges/gets royalties for > 3rd application in Java!?!?!??!?!? I have *NEVER* paid a dime for any > application and/or anything else written in Java (nor is there any language > in the legal material that comes with the language and/or any of the tools > that would even allow for a royalty)... the language spec is completely > open and anyone can write a compiler or a JVM (all the specs are completely > available)..... IBM has made one so have a few other people including GNU. > You can use java 8 for your own purposes but Oracle's license agreement on their website clearly states that only up until Java 7 is it truly free. :-( This change occurred several years ago now. I don't have time to get the citation to support Valeri's assertion, but it is true. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************