From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 16:14:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21357C47056 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B344CD3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479485536; bh=XchDX5HxTGi1G6fTt06Qz7dJw7wWrnRlzu8+6o/zf84=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=mk1G5kn29sbj4hq7xysna+DW1A2AWnsVNas3QB/VODcA75X9uui8R553qos5PYOBvrSGaudOluV8yFim8rkdtwPwNt/e+qf+psuDnqAmP96rRcKcIVKZqhWuKbmDmVqtRCEYxjIY7EzxM+Wtbt1efVsgxXj5SmKY2hVhUZ98F1xvJ5CqLluqjY3t4eoQrdIIzmdw10wgmrWayMVafFKt3NHYFlhdpCPEDUDDVUeu+FFLQi3IADXYXExsc43vAIBEU6F6Jx6Z5HWTO/U5vwiW1cD/+4hlD7dPFXn5mor8Iry1MWHinDYWKIPZ94B1URW10hOyqMP+aZc8FD0spHx1Nw== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 16:12:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 744454.4472.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bbo5pAUVM1mKRXfICR4N56nHyH7VRRtDc.xeK.YVYLa8fOL WFjaI14yZbhmzfIvKfoljGKEE4vu6sVW4ABzJ.xq0KVUAop3Hl5geQEnr6nQ B_J5U2WqIHE3WRbW0le0cwHC_ULKV7JS7zEz4etUZZEUWdj0WE5COoejAv6m gb0pGwo4RiwYx.AdzTy1CfvQIaZ8oAzNwD01lNIIX4oG04WdyjPX7urRo.WQ i99gmGn9FVbAlUNKam_Y8epLuLakH6QqmXiBl5wZY7h0EnA0wBtNkIh4nhFj j9EDaz3tKzloMSOebBuYCBZVcbORhRpi90TxPoI83zzwZ8D83rehmg84df28 ygaaSglGHZG5gNO_aJyvI7HM7Ofa1sEcZ56Qp1FEM1rcxq8J11W7G4PDRzSg uJyGriOyGxz.N2O6Azczu631_X41SCrbtBmSsGJbN9JCKcVx.g6ChkPnaext NM83M8a3kKkLjLkSqkRg9I1k3X36jZUJKDEt.GR9v8HDKV_QPPNsVyRlWgqt fU97xJtSBTwfqklBwG1_w1TlSB4uuNlfvUuGbL7H7hGBoLN5arHmp X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:15 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:14:07 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0600 (CST), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >binary logs I'm not a fan of systemd, but I can live with it. The binary systemd logs are idiotic, but not really an annoyance. What are you missing, if you access those logs with the "strings" command? Distros that use plain systemd for init, instead of hybrids, aren't confusing at all. Not all important distros migrated to systemd, so users aren't forced to use it. No Linux user is forced to use dbus, pulseaudio or other unwanted software. It's even possible to use udev and keep kernel name schemes. However, if somebody is a FreeBSD user for good reasons, because FreeBSD provides, what Linux doesn't, it's smart to use FreeBSD. If a user does use Linux for good reason, because FreeBSD doesn't provide what's needed, it's idiotic to migrate to FreeBSD, just because most important distros migrated to systemd. Regards, Ralf