Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:59:04 -0600 From: Brandon helsley <brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> To: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB010437F9D68EF323F2840323F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB0104DC7541A2154B5C435EA7F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <CY4PR19MB0104DC7541A2154B5C435EA7F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104A2C03F4D66A1DA251A23F9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104C290121BF756D57B2DDBF9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104DD86F8FE6446AD1BF327F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104DC7541A2154B5C435EA7F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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>Please start using a MUA on your FreeBSD desktop environment. >In the archive your mails look like this: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-June/289811.html >They look way more confusing, if a MUA displays HMTL text as plain text and if this is the first choice to be displayed. A workaround some of us are using, to be able to get the information out of even the most worse formatted messages. >I would like to skip the ubuntu step. >It's possible to do this. It's just helpful for some beginners. I looked at the link and could not tell what was wrong with the archive. I will install an MUA and use that and try and set up the mail server later with postfix. I'm assuming there are multiple layers that go along with email. Again may I ask what is writing shell scripts. Is that the same as editing .xsession or .xinitrc? > > On Jun 4, 2020 at 2:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:14:56 -0600, Brandon helsley wrote: >I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need, >so that's not the problem. Please start using a MUA on your FreeBSD desktop environment. In the archive your mails look like this: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-June/289811.html They look way more confusing, if a MUA displays HMTL text as plain text and if this is the first choice to be displayed. A workaround some of us are using, to be able to get the information out of even the most worse formatted messages. >I would like to skip the ubuntu step. It's possible to do this. 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09:13, Brandon helsley wrote: > I can set up a desktop environment that has all the programs I need, > so that's not the problem. It's that I want to progress past simple > editing of configuration files and minor system administration tasks > like the crontab. I want to try and stick with FreeBSD as my main and > probably mostly only OS. Meaning, I would like to skip the ubuntu > step. It seems as though the FreeBSD docs is the way to go. Just read > it over a few times, as well as the porters handbook. I'll get > straight to it so I can contribute to ports and docs, even if it > takes a couple years!!! I applaud your determination, and I also think it's pretty perverse for people in *what is a FreeBSD channel* to tell enthusiastic newcomers to go away and use some other operating system. That's really not helpful. Anyhow, my advice is that the best way to get to grips with the system is to use it. What I suggest is setting yourself a series of targets or small projects which are in that sweet spot where you can already do much of what is necessary, but there is an achievable step up. Give yourself some challenges, but not such huge ones that you get dispirited and give up. A fairly simple project might be something like: Configure a firewall and NAT gateway between your home LAN and the outside world. Most of the time this would be done by some off-the-shelf router device, but out of the box FreeBSD has pretty much everything necessary. To do this you will need to: * research the firewall applications available on FreeBSD, and select one to use * specify suitable hardware and network infrastructure -- for a light-duty home LAN, you should be able to do this with fairly cheap kit, but you'll want something with more than one network interface. * understand the principles of TCP/IP networking and routing; what acronyms like TCP, UDP and ICMP mean; and what network ports are and how they are used to filter traffic * start learning how to use tools like tcpdump(8), ping(8) and mtr(8) to inspect network traffic and debug network problems That's just an idea off the top of my head; there are very many other small projects you could set yourself that will exercise different areas and teach you new things. One of the best ways you could contribute back while doing this is to record your experiences as you're going along. It can actually be pretty suprising to see where exactly the uninitiated experience difficulties, and knowing that means we can improve our documentation. Cheers, Matthew --TGylpynWgygGJXauiWvGb01MbBXhcerqb-- --wuYL2vcESMETa9Z76T5WUFWwEkDo7Embz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAl7YuKVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5OcuNRAAtvhxaQZc3Yu7dY0vm7OcX13/U3BMkDu6VHSxBVJ/PUdScNbnfZjPsp3J 3cCZBWjCz8qNkeMlR8ievgR6BNjTw8v/rm5ynbEjtXxn8wRgjFWAGwUzkoOoX7Bq lu2MATuPqEGT0zn6cuvAtOio1ZIM0Mey+Bd1XMR2eNucsaQOF41c1eHkX+TPT7oJ xMfYaXbPwhEMe5Inwlk/qd6Lymz5nIGIaKXAXtNp7uovl6Wko2ubZubDRHVhDIb1 0YkH58aNPyGt+kxoQq943WIX5WJUWG/N4IXLBmUVGnu6CCUy3r0IZ2uyKwEvPMNv VVyCFzA3bZqsbaGD4HSfg03kHJNVwMh67UVvnDUsDBr7dVOy9ZH/Zf7lw1u4y/02 rwZKzHHVZtKVMuRA7Ldpxdy5/XhiJUMLFiMPcvUhOhAwb66VAcmh/CISYF/9mcgp 23Vi5YAtSV2QMFKyRE+P+TwrBJQZROOQjsvRcPcrx6dw/kUB29Ys9gFICpljP0nt T0r7Nyx4a6RKxr52EMeD6MKe7mII3IbNlnEsXBSeG/t26xZaXK3Q5ES+tXAiVdUr 8sMWYmQ8yB/vPwgVfRi7Zeul9+FvunzQ4DFPGVON7H6Og1XJ38hE8RTOhOpybMgC dmIYhIElMww+taSpDNloL/xvZQHswnh7j2ZZukVXk7bNXf2R62k= =hoLV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wuYL2vcESMETa9Z76T5WUFWwEkDo7Embz--
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