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Date:      Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:38 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/fortune fortune.c
Message-ID:  <20050723022138.GX842@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050723020810.GA28712@nagual.pp.ru>
References:  <200507230146.j6N1koqL061690@repoman.freebsd.org> <20050723015517.GA28428@nagual.pp.ru> <20050723020120.GV842@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20050723020810.GA28712@nagual.pp.ru>

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On Saturday, 23 July 2005 at  6:08:10 +0400, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 11:31:20AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> No, it was there:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> But for whatever reasons, many systems seem to have incorrect
>> random(4) initialization.  You'll recall the debate about removing
>
> If you care about many systems, please do not degrade our own FreeBSD
> system fortune randomness and use this workaround instead:
>
> #ifdef __FreeBSD__
> ...
> #else

This is only for FreeBSD.

>> [...] Rush Limbaugh fortunes recently because, for some reason
>> related to this issue, his fortunes kept popping up.  This is the
>> only place [...]
>
> It means something wrong with /dev/random initialization, ...

Yes, that's what I said.

> Use rc-embedded ability to keep randomness around boots and add more
> random sources instead.

I suspect that there's a large number of people out there who don't
want to go to that much trouble just to get rid of Rush Limbaugh.  For
people who really care about random(4), that's a different issue, of
course.  Would you like to investigate?  I've been seeing problems in
this are for the last few years.  And of course, once we can be really
sure that random(4) is always at least as random as the microsecond
value of the time at which the fortune program is started, the commit
should be reverted.

> You fix the problem in the wrong place. We have a _lots_ of places
> where srandomdev() or arc4random() used (which both use /dev/random)

Correct.

Greg
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