Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:27:07 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: Tom Rhodes <trhodes@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD (was: cvs commit: src Makefile README) Message-ID: <20060610005707.GK7549@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <200606090853.48604.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <200606070333.k573XmRc067920@repoman.freebsd.org> <200606071051.47070.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060608004803.GK81573@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200606090853.48604.jhb@freebsd.org>
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--bX/mw5riLlTkt+Gv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, 9 June 2006 at 8:53:47 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 20:48, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 7 June 2006 at 10:51:45 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >>> I thought the obfuscation was intentional as very few people should >>> be doing a 'make world' without a custom DESTDIR these days. >> >> Then there's no reason not to document it. >> >> Warning: FORCE_ROOT_INSTALL can render your system unusable by >> overwriting existing configuration files. Do not use it unless you >> are completely aware of the consequences. >> >> And yes, a descriptive name like FORCE_ROOT_INSTALL, not >> HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD. > > Describing it would subvert the intended obfuscation. s/subvert/correct/ Obfuscation is always wrong. =20 >> The only justification for this regression is that it's really >> difficult to get everything right. But that's a bug, not a >> feature. > > No, the justification is that 'make world' completely ignores the > kernel and only handles userland, and an operating system is both a > kernel and a userland and that users should update those together. That's a bug in make world. Introducing a second one doesn't fix it. > If you as a developer want to use make world you can either run the > two commands back to back or you can put > I_REALLY_KNOW_WHAT_IM_DOING_AND_WANT_TO_HOSE_MY_MACHINE in make.conf > or something. However, developers wanting to do this are in the > _VAST_ minority and I'd much rather cater to the other 99% of the > world. As I say, >> The only justification for this regression is that it's really >> difficult to get everything right. Otherwise people would have fixed it. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --bX/mw5riLlTkt+Gv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEihjjIubykFB6QiMRAhW3AJ4339zjEt/o9t6vsz4VFA/PTZvoDwCeJYWJ pcFZ+mQSCu5nKfjzzJoozJA= =iS3Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bX/mw5riLlTkt+Gv--
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