From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Dec 18 15:21:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3521C865C0 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: from nm4-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA3C7314 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1482074340; bh=UCbI6GDHWxAAD5bhyYU8YkUhiF0zncp+9qjJTz+8/8M=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=u4UGTR5Sd/C/OMT4WUqXUB3JcFyixDJxfVSuiRJ0VKrwffJnqNNDqr91OgJgPJHwLiCHoEXkGKTQMijOCJNsoHxu5MdlX93WK5cQLH4KJZR/IwqwOA1Rluyx5E7Z2yIJeZwVPKlRRk6enRBJFz4PK2ESZrX/VpbvnOCCpr/gfT0= Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2016 15:19:00 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2016 15:19:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2016 15:19:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 796965.14650.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: CyyjsG4VM1mr.IBvLV8kaZIUHakYBsHGeXrWCjt0VWRhFmz A.JdDBY9yERE4xh0tYfs6iSWMZ56WLO7r0OXKCQNPN3gjwNeDfSaKjxT3Rts 1r_C8XzQAgi79VjuzuImZclF3EWaZ5aJ7.0bKiYn5r2er8X2QJdTv0CzIw.w Flv5eJi8Ik9G7yICXX0l.xak3lb5vnyUOLVqszFnkfNyB6CganjhGPJkScNT mDeOW7_FpxKbnW1ccJ3X6XhUG53xMh9Nu.g8dZPwnkFvrwnhymzc0TNSwNng _RH0Zc291_BRiRQ8JCbZhvwEhQ6YaEDwKerbQbJJ7SsKjd0zXpH5sgdDeHLV PegqL1tghSM.RQr9E.BzqArxhVCKCT81pzET4kCPMf9Yfm_a7c5fArV6ymRG _aVMQYt5vmuRwfT6AoNqfYlaF8HKZ1jacXRjhg_Xosa6ibc3EaDBslPvcKK3 xmW2svVIiJ5YZ4anFl2XFFKVfub8qYCK6Wq5hMcbRO8EXrgFUPDNolGqzJZq t_yj5fqT5_HMaLWTkJ6WeYUGRw0jddXwrj3KSHkO7zAZsaCd.AW42s7I- X-Yahoo-SMTP: pPvqnOaswBBbYZLVYFzvU7GaowLcbNioPp.aF8KvOjZk From: To: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: The ports collection has some serious issues Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: <5j7d5c5i7s9man9umkk51b7rijh9n20vph@4ax.com> References: <192c99ca-ed3b-44da-633a-99629fdcea70@marino.st> <20161217132608.GA1352@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> <54CEEF4F-3E62-45D1-902A-DA4372E9F060@freebsd.org> <20161217194758.GB7888@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> <2E32E0E1-C44F-497B-9852-6E2A6E331FD8@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <2E32E0E1-C44F-497B-9852-6E2A6E331FD8@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:21:32 -0000 On 17 Dec 2016, at 20:47, Alphons van Werven wrote: > But ever >> since some time during the 9.X era I started to pick up signs that the >> FreeBSD project as a whole is moving into a direction that troubles me--in >> some cases deeply indeed. I don't know what direction Fonz sees the project moving in [his loss will be significant, and I personally wish he would reconsider], but I've had a sense for some time that there's an undercurrent of some kind moving us insensibly toward Linux and, strangely, a mix of uncaringness and authoritarianism. I can't really quote specifics on my perception of a Linux-ward drift because I haven't been keeping an evidence notebook. But for evidence of authoritarianism creeping in, I offer the imposition of the new pkg utility on all of us awhile back even though it was still half-baked. That came as qute a shock, at least to me. I didn't like it at all. And now there seems to be some psychological warfare going on over basic build tools. I go back a ways with FreeBSD, v1.1.3 or something like that. So I'm not ready to bail, but I really, truly, no-kidding perceive a drift toward incoherence that, unless reversed, will make FreeBSD just another footnote in computing history, like Minix, 386BSD, the UCSD P-system, and others that after a brief heyday ceased to matter because their support base was hobby-oriented and uncommitted, with neither a clear vision for the future nor even a desire for one.