From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 21 09:06:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26693 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26688 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by firewall.bellind.com via suspension id <17078-2>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:04:35 -0700 Received: by firewall.bellind.com via suspension id <17062-2>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:03:35 -0700 Received: from cdcexchange.bellind.com ([170.1.130.2]) by firewall.bellind.com with SMTP id <17063-1>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:57:00 -0700 Received: by cdcexchange.bellind.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BC4D15.5BDC0890@cdcexchange.bellind.com>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:59:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rudy Gireyev To: "'Nate Williams'" Cc: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:59:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am sorry Nate, but you have completely and entirely missed the point. Yes, every operating system used for development does get corrupted. Belive it or not I had to do the same for OS/2 2.1 and 3.0. My comments were directed at your treatment of Dennis upon his original complaint. You were basically telling him that the way he felt was wrong and that he should feel the way you do, which I felt was absurd. The way I see it is there are three levels of FreeBSD users. 1. Recreational - Hack for pleasure 2. As Utility - Back up server, preferred platform, etc 3. Source of Livelihood - Whether I have bread on the table tomorrow depends on FreeBSD Based on your postings I believe you are in group 2 while Dennis is in group 3. There is no way you could possibly know what it is feels like for him, thereby unless you have a usable suggestion for Dennis I did not feel you were even qualified to answer to him on how he is supposed to feel. Anyway, I realize that what I'm saying is mean and obnoxious. But you being a no-bull kinda guy I thought you would want to know when you stumbled into a wrong territory. I'm sorry if I made a mistake. >---------- >From: Nate Williams[SMTP:nate@mt.sri.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 19, 1997 8:13 AM >To: Rudy Gireyev >Cc: 'John S. Dyson'; chat@freebsd.org >Subject: RE: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) > >[ moved to -chat ] > >> With all due respect John, what you say is true, however >> it does not invalidate what Tony said about Nate. Basically >> Nate is talking about something he has no idea about >> (something he flames Terry for). > >Umm, you're saying I don't understand that I'm forced to re-install >Win95 on a regular basis, and that most of the people I know that have >used any M$ OS with the name 'Windows' on it consider re-installing on >a >regular basis 'normal'? > >Glad you can speak for me, since I obviously made it all up, and have >no >experience with M$ OS's. (Obviously much less than Terry, and my being >a >M$-Professional Level development subscription for the last 3 years >must >be a figment of my imagination, though I think the $1K/year my company >spends for it and Win32 development tools isn't a figment.) > >Sheesh, maybe suicide would be a way out for you. > > > >Nate >