From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 03:12:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5531D113BBA0 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4726476C7F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.17] ([174.0.43.39]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id OwSWgy3ZSctraOwSZg15tb; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:12:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1542683540; bh=PvtYt+HHlM3o2QeSrGZZ2YnMEDRujiZiCOsZDqu+ojs=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=fTc5/hJ3NnmngwCCh0BPTBFSQi9WAeDPVm7gtpcdzT3nkxnwyTUtRHdYdYVulXpH5 yi8f7RpOdQOb+EtUli2MnLO95AaHHuxudemAgDzJjn2v6Zc9Groq6/AkWtP8clGWTH KhIsbHEWL0rAj8XRXWJHD1DbwlJ0svqAr8M1f+hRp7iNL+DMEIaVUastxl0Qb3Rlr9 HekMy9863otLaUZRdxxUGU+NH3V3i36voo6jFi2uAaoGUwBJIlf4RQiEcytJ40+W/5 GrWtC98IRyD5sT3q9sQaJVDTpwtwRFS5nB8Qh+tk/xXoc+63WItJeSIS5nEg72sE2v v9+lh1QF3NhEw== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Io3Pj43g c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:117 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rbXGaCtEAAAA:8 a=n999FUABAAAA:8 a=bHOSLnNcPyRyB5_p0o8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=p_4-6O5FIlP82heawbVc:22 a=STucfUEt0Ir3pRv2o46G:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? From: Dale Scott X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15G77) In-Reply-To: <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:12:16 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGlypVvOTDDxIfLga0MglBYSDE9Kh9wT3sWCZy+cFCB35R+xCwAW8lKgqZtvvIKXkbFFOaoLMrfhXrxg9wh/2WPXYdbhDoSg7i7IBnRjFAh4Uun74Iwk IS/PTis1k04WlSyq1K5uvxYvqEXRMaD9/3KV/i3cXGlA8NsXk/YGW9NBo5mAXAgy7hg+mnJy9LU78gAqi3wUf1+IXaJkjGp/dAkZhO+eB18tYWrY6uta4MQw X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4726476C7F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[shaw.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.59.136.128/27]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[shaw.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[shaw.ca,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net,smtp.glb.shawcable.net,idcmail-mx1so.cg.shawcable.net]; IP_SCORE(-1.93)[ip: (-5.26), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.40), asn: 6327(-1.92), country: CA(-0.10)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.810,0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[139.136.59.64.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:30 -0000 > On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:51 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 >> On 13 Nov 2018, at 06:57, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> Yes but what we don't have any real idea about is when to expect >> 12. apart from less than five years from next month. >=20 > So we already know that 11-FINAL will end its life before 12-FINAL, leavin= g us once again without a final version that we can use. >=20 > Meanwhile, Ubuntu just announce that the newest LTS version will be suppor= ted for 10 years. IIUC, The current release engineering process was seen to be the best compro= mise given the level of resources available. Assuming nothing has changed, i= t might be wishful thinking hoping for a Linux-like LTS (which I also have s= ometimes wished for). On the other hand, it might be more pragmatic to take a CI approach and lear= n how to live with the release process. Is that possible? Cheers.=